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Originally Posted by sdg4vfx View Post

After auditioning several systems (in my price range) thinking I want to upgrade my HT with Ascend speakers. My primary goal is not roaring loud volume, but instead great sound (detail, balance, dynamic range, etc.) at medium volume. My current system is at it's best (but still not great) when volume is loud, but it loses A LOT when listening at medium or lower volumes (huge chunks of freq. disappear). One of the reasons I'm upgrading.
- Medium sized living room.
- Listening is 90% movie, 10% music.
- Have a new Denon 1713.
- After reading volumes of threads would like to try having L/F/C be identical speakers.
- Start with 340's, 170's or 200's and then upgrade later to Sierra 1's for the three fronts.
Questions …
The 340 and 200 have center speaker versions. Are these center versions technically different from the upright versions in any way? (I'm still arranging the space and was hoping to experiment sonically with the center being horizontal vs vertical.)
If they are technically different, is this something I can tweak/manipulate at home after the purchase?
Does my Denon 1713 have sufficient power (5 amps, 80 watts per channel) for the 340, 200 and 170? (I have a couple more weeks to return it for a Denon 1913 … 7 amps, 95 watts per ch).
The 340 has bi-wire connections. Would utilizing that significantly improve the sound? (A reason to upgrade to the Denon 1913.)
Which would be better up front (L/R/C), the 170's or 200's? I would prefer the 340's as L/R/C (esp with the nice "tower" stands on the L/R) but I'm concerned about the weight of the center (it will be on a shelf attached to the top of the TV … still researching the best way to mount the center … )
Would the 200's make good surrounds, whichever model I end up using up front?
Re a sub:
I have a new Energy S10.3 sub - would that work well with either the 340's or 170's up front? (I can still return it if I have to.) Suggestions for any other subs that would work better with Ascends for the $500 range?
(With sub's my preference again is good definition over volume. I've had numerous experiences of going to hear a friends' new HT systems with them thrilled that the sub could shake the walls - which it did. But to me it sounds too boomy … i.e I'm thinking - that's not a sound effect, that's a string line in the soundtrack, how come all I hear are blurry thumps instead of the actual notes?)
Much thanks for any input!

I'm kinda new to Ascend offerings but have been happy with each (have the 200SEs in L/C/R format, 170SEs as L/R only, L/C/R Sierra1s with NrT upgrade in center (and L/R on the way). Bought the Sierra1s used, but now that I've heard them think they're a very good value new. I likely will get towers with raal tweeters next at this rate smile.gif. The Sierras are currently my L/C/R in my living room, with the 200SEs as surrounds. I did use the 200SEs as L/C/R and mounted up at the wall/ceiling junction but the room's too big for them although up to a certain volume sounded just fine. Sierras sound far "larger" than their size as fronts. 170SEs and the center 200SE in the bedroom (altho currently experimenting with something else with L/R). Someone around here recently with with 5 Sierras which if you're doing more surround music than movies would probably be a better option. YMMV.

I have not tried the 340s, as I was trying for smaller speakers but for the size of the Sierras and their output I'd say consider just going there now, but the 340s as L/C/R should work great too. I wouldn't attach a speaker as big as the Sierra or 340 to the tv at all, a shelf above it or a stand below it, but not on it unless it has a fairly sturdy cabinet intended for additional loads.

As far as the center, my Sierra1 center has the waveguide moved 90degrees, but the 200SE is a dome so it's just basically a sideways grill as far as I know, but it may have something in the design I'm not aware of to make it more center specific. Search this thread...

As far as sub that Energy for a $200 sub gets very good mentions, it's still a lower end sub and of limited output and extension. $500 and above you can get some better choices. Me, I've got an Epik Empire so I'd suggest the Epik Legend ($500 plus shipping), a dual opposed 12" drivers setup (Empire is 15" same basic design). Some might suggest a ported design for movies but I think the Epik design does well for both movies and music.
Edited by lovinthehd - 7/1/12 at 7:26pm
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Thanks!

Do your Sierra1's have the tweeter upgrade? What is your thoughts on the upgrade?
post #3153 of 3912
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Thanks!
Do your Sierra1's have the tweeter upgrade? What is your thoughts on the upgrade?

As I mentioned, I got them used and the center had the NrT upgrade, and just ordered the L/R upgrade kit Friday!
post #3154 of 3912
Ah - I remember that string now. With over 3000 posts it's hard to remember who's who.
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What sub are you using?
I've got a Rythmik FV15.
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Proud owner of the 340's for L/C/R and the 170's for surrounds. I have them paired with the HSU VTF-15h sub and couldn't be happier.
post #3157 of 3912
for 90/10 movie/music 340s is better choice than Sierra-1 IMHO.
Edited by zheka - 7/15/12 at 9:28am
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From the Ascend website - Is the RAAL tweeter upgrade listed for the Sierra Tower the same as the NrT tweeter upgrade listed for the Sierra 1? Or are those two different tweeters?
post #3159 of 3912
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From the Ascend website - Is the RAAL tweeter upgrade listed for the Sierra Tower the same as the NrT tweeter upgrade listed for the Sierra 1? Or are those two different tweeters?

Two different tweeter technologies.
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From the Ascend website - Is the RAAL tweeter upgrade listed for the Sierra Tower the same as the NrT tweeter upgrade listed for the Sierra 1? Or are those two different tweeters?

No...the NrT is an optional upgrade for the Sierra 1 and comes standard on the Sierra Tower. The RAAL is a ribbon tweeter and comes optional for the Sierra Towers which costs additional ~$700.00 ...the NrT is a dome.

Here some pictures comparing the two....http://forum.ascendacoustics.com/showpost.php?p=39668&postcount=7
Edited by Billy p - 7/15/12 at 3:35pm
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Thanks!
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I have a B-stock 340SE center on the way. Should be here on Friday.
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Anyone using the 340's with the Rythmic FV15's with one port plugged and tuned/q value for lowest extension? Very curious with someone using this setup with mains set to small/80hz like the THX recommended settings vs. running the 340's mass loaded with sand filled stands crossed over at say...50hz then the rythmic tuned for extension. Please chime in friends!


Brian in Bakersfield...
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I have read through some of the thread, but haven't noticed anybody with all 340 setup.

Anybody using 5 identical cmt-340se's for their setup? I have been contemplating going with 5 identical speakers for my next setup.

What other speakers have any owners compared the cmt-340's with?
post #3165 of 3912
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I have read through some of the thread, but haven't noticed anybody with all 340 setup.
Anybody using 5 identical cmt-340se's for their setup? I have been contemplating going with 5 identical speakers for my next setup.
What other speakers have any owners compared the cmt-340's with?

I have 3 340's across the front (no center) and then use HTM-200's for my 4 surrounds. I have a Hsu sub. I absolutely love the sound in my HT.
post #3166 of 3912
Good to hear. Any problems with dialogue, detail, or dynamics?

I used to have infinity p362 with pc350 center, sold it due to a move. I liked that setup but always felt the pc350 was lacking compared to the p362. However, my pc350 wasn't placed optimally outside of a cabinet, so I don't fault it completely. This has me wanting to try an identical front setup.

Also hoping to step up in sound quality. However, many keep stating that p362's perform way above budget. I also wonder though, what I will give up by going from towers to monitor size.
post #3167 of 3912
Ed, i will be over later with not just one large pizza, but two! Bringing my blue rays...


Brian in Bakersfield...
post #3168 of 3912
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Ed, i will be over later with not just one large pizza, but two! Bringing my blue rays...
Brian in Bakersfield...

Brian--did you place your order yet?
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No, i've forever been ruined by auditioning the Sierra Towers with RAAL units a couple weeks ago and I posted my thoughts here and on Ascend forum. A small tear formed as I couldn't stop the shaking of my head while listening. As I have told Dave, I have always liked and love the sound of the 340's and would want the matching mass loadable stands for the tower look. I'm blown away at the extension of the 340's with zero midrange breakup. I really was shocked at the output and of course love the THX type look of them.

Now, with that said I would love the freaking monster centers used as a LCR setup with 170's for side and rear surrounds. All even across the front soundstage, huge extension and dynamics, and pretty sure a 0 on the wife factor scale but the look would be insane!


Brian in Bakersfield...
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Three Horizons across the front would certainly be interesting. I've heard the 200s and Sierra-1s (my L/R surrounds) but I've never heard the 340s. I'm about an hour away from you just down the 5 freeway, so if you ever want another Tower/Horizon RAAL audition let me know. I'm always looking for an excuse to give my Towers a good workout wink.gif.
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Cool! Im pretty sure I will be taking you up on that. Are you on LinkedIn?
post #3172 of 3912
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Good to hear. Any problems with dialogue, detail, or dynamics?

No problems at all. I'm driving my set up with a Pioneer Elite VSX-01. No extra amps. I have zero regrets with going with Ascend.
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Ed, i will be over later with not just one large pizza, but two! Bringing my blue rays...
Brian in Bakersfield...

Brian, I waited up all night, where were you? wink.gif PA is a long way from Bakersfield! Good luck with the Ascends, I'm betting you'll like them.
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Are you on LinkedIn?

I used to be active on LinkedIn but not anymore.
post #3175 of 3912
Ed, well, I ate the pizza then i decided to eat the 2nd one. Needless to say, bad mistake eek.gif
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Got the complete system now. 170s/340c up front., 200s for surround with my older sub, and I am very happy. Ran the AVR setup, tweaked it a bit, but I wound up turning off the EQ. I just have bass and treble set to +2. Love the clarity and the imagiing.

One question - my L/C/R are slightly below ear level, but their tweeters are horizontally aligned. Is that horizontal alignment more important than having your L/R at ear level? I don't think I could raise my center, but I could buy higher stands for my L/R.

Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Jeffer65 View Post

Got the complete system now. 170s/340c up front., 200s for surround with my older sub, and I am very happy. Ran the AVR setup, tweaked it a bit, but I wound up turning off the EQ. I just have bass and treble set to +2. Love the clarity and the imagiing.
One question - my L/C/R are slightly below ear level, but their tweeters are horizontally aligned. Is that horizontal alignment more important than having your L/R at ear level? I don't think I could raise my center, but I could buy higher stands for my L/R.
Thanks.

I have the 170's and the 340c myself.(Will be picking up the 200's for surrounds when the money will allow. Most likely will get a pair of speaker stands before getting them, along with a 100ft. spool of 14awg speaker wire from Monoprice.) I have the 340c placed below my TV on the stand, positioned nearest to the front edge of the glass. It sits roughly 11" up from the carpet on the center shelf, which sits below ear level, but it still sounds as though it is coming from the TV itself. I have my two 170's on two audio towers, with the speakers 5' apart, centered and the ports are a foot from the wall.(The audio towers are roughly 46" tall) The speakers are slightly above ear level, and I have these little silicon/rubber 'dots' that I placed on the backs of them, leaning them a touch forward to help with imaging.(these can be found in the hardware section of Wal Mart for around $1.50 in a pack of 12) As long as they are horizontally aligned you should be fine. Unless you feel that raising the speakers would yield better imaging for you. Even with mine sitting where they are imaging isn't a problem for me. If you have a book or phone book sitting around try placing on top of one of your L/R stands, then the speaker. When playing them, see if you notice any difference in sound quality between the speaker that is raised vs. the speaker that isn't. If you prefer the sound of the speaker that is slightly lower, you won't need taller stands. However if you do like the sound of the speaker that is raised, you know it would be time for new taller stands. Either way enjoy those speakers. smile.gif I know I love mine and how incredible they sound.
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Thanks for the advice, Darkpoet. I will give that a try.
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Jeffer65, in my opinion the holy grail of any LCR is to have all 3 tweets even. I would place more emphasis on this than level matching the enclosures themselves. This will ensure a seamless left to right extension and with your receiver's room correction program, I would rely on that calibration to time align to your listening position. Which receiver and room crorrection do you have?


Brian in Bakersfield...
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Originally Posted by Hspecialist View Post

Jeffer65, in my opinion the holy grail of any LCR is to have all 3 tweets even. I would place more emphasis on this than level matching the enclosures themselves. This will ensure a seamless left to right extension and with your receiver's room correction program, I would rely on that calibration to time align to your listening position. Which receiver and room crorrection do you have?
Brian in Bakersfield...

I have a Yamaha RX-V765. I ran YPAO, but I notice it sets the 170s to large and the subwoofer distance more than it really is, so I've changed those settings manually. the crossover is set for 80hsz. I listened the Dark Side of the Moon SACD last night and had a big smile on my face. Thanks for the info.
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