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post #3691 of 3912
Denon 1713 is a 5 channel AMP. You need to go up to a 1913 or better to get 7 channels. If you can wait a little while, Denon is on the verge of announcing their AVR updates (they have already announced the entry level models e.g. the new version of the 1713). There are threads about it on AVS.
post #3692 of 3912
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Originally Posted by Newbie01 View Post

Return the Denon 890 if you can... HDMI 1.3a, Mult EQ... 1713 is a newer superior product.

All 7 channels of equal 105-watt power @ 0.08 % THD, 20 - 20kHz
HDMI 1.3a Repeating (5 input, 1 output) provides one cable connection between the receiver and TV
1080p HDMI connectivity supports Blu-ray disc surround sound formats, including Dolby TrueHD and DD+, dts-HD and dts-HR
Dolby Laboratories new Pro Logic IIz Matrix decoding featuring front height effects channels
Audyssey MultEQ, Dynamic Volume and Dynamic EQ

The 890 is equivalent to the 2310CI (see batpig's numbering FAQ) and has many of those features. So what's the actual advantage?
post #3693 of 3912
Is there any reason not to get 6 CMB-170's for a 7.1 setup (besides price)? I have a denon 4311 and usually listen to music in multi-channel 7.1 mode.

I just dislike having inferior surrounds if I plan on listening to all 7 speakers for music.
post #3694 of 3912
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Originally Posted by Pyloff View Post

Is there any reason not to get 6 CMB-170's for a 7.1 setup (besides price)? I have a denon 4311 and usually listen to music in multi-channel 7.1 mode.

I just dislike having inferior surrounds if I plan on listening to all 7 speakers for music.

Why would you get only 6? You don't like having a center channel or something? smile.gif Nothing wrong with having matched speakers all around, especially if multi channel music is involved...

....altho they are rear ported so any on-wall mounting the 200SE might be an alternative...
post #3695 of 3912
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

Why would you get only 6? You don't like having a center channel or something? smile.gif

Thanks for the thoughts, I am thinking of getting the center as well, didn't think about mentioning it heh. My current setup needs a full replacement.

I was not going to wall mount anything thinking of just getting 4 stands for the 4 surrounds and placing the fronts on the entertainment center along with the center. That might get a little crowded however. I really don't want to spend $400 on floor stands though. Maybe I can build something like that, anyone know any DIY guides for building speaker stands? Nevermind I found some.
Edited by Pyloff - 4/5/13 at 12:33pm
post #3696 of 3912
My speakers are shipped # 3-340's and 2-170's.smile.gif Now my waf has informed me that there is no way on ceiling mounting and with the odd

shape of the room i have two choices.mad.gif With my seating position about 10' from the T.V. i can either mount the side surrounds 3' feet in

front of my seating position ( this would put them only 6' from the mains) on side walls or 10' behind on rear wall. I realize neither is optimum

but which would be best? Thanks for any help.
post #3697 of 3912
I think the 170's are pretty light so you could get omni directional wall mounts and if it is 5.0 setup most likely behind you angled across the seating area. The manual from my receiver has a pretty good description of speaker placement, you might want to check that on your receiver manual or search for speaker placement portions of manuals depending on what type of system you have.
post #3698 of 3912
Still waiting on my speakers to get here maybe Fri.smile.gif In the meantime i have been pouring over the owners manual that came with the

Denon 890 and realized that i either need Sheldon from Big Bang Theory or an electrical engineering degree. The remote to a novice like

myself seems impossible to ever figure out how to use it. Anyways i bought a cheap Logitech Harmony 688 off E-bay for $45. Hopefully this

will help with the severe learning curve from a T.V. and cable box to a avr 5.1 set-up.rolleyes.gif
post #3699 of 3912
Denon manuals are notorious for being enigmatic. Sorry.

Try these help texts on AVS for Audyssey: http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/51750#post_21782993
post #3700 of 3912
Batpig's Denon translations might help, too http://batpigworld.com/wp/
post #3701 of 3912
I've been thinking about upgrading my current infinity primus setup.

L&R: Infinity Primus P362
C: Infinity Primus PC350
SR: Infinity Primus P162

Would the CMT-340's be a decent upgrade?

I would end up with the following

L&R: CMT-340 SE Pair
C: CMT-340 SE C
SR: CBM-170 SE Pair
post #3702 of 3912
Just wanted to let you guys know I just bought a rythmik lv12r and wow does it ever blend absolutely perfect with my ascends. The extreme detail and lifelike quality of the ascends deep accurate tight bass of the rythmik its extrmly hard to beat in my eyes. I'm absolutely amazed by what my system can do!!! Can't wait to get the 340s for mains and move my 170s to surround duty!!cool.gif
post #3703 of 3912
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Originally Posted by jmoakk View Post

I've been thinking about upgrading my current infinity primus setup.

L&R: Infinity Primus P362
C: Infinity Primus PC350
SR: Infinity Primus P162

Would the CMT-340's be a decent upgrade?

I would end up with the following

L&R: CMT-340 SE Pair
C: CMT-340 SE C
SR: CBM-170 SE Pair

I think the Ascends are more accurate speakers. However, I have owned the Primus speakers in the past and they are quite good considering the price. It's hard to predict if it would seem like a major upgrade to you. I think it would make sense to try and audition them at home first.
post #3704 of 3912
I just returned some pioneer budget speakers due to sibilance.

How are the ascend 340se and 170se with sibilance? Does anybody hear any with music and movies?
post #3705 of 3912
You mean sibilance inherent in the recording? smile.gif I have tested my 170SEs against Sierra-1s and would say sibilance is not an issue with either speaker....
post #3706 of 3912
I'm basically looking for neutral or maybe slightly laid back speakers now. I have read a lot about the 340se and 170se and I know some say they may be slightly brighter compared to the ascend sierra-1 base model.

It's good to know you have not experienced sibilance. If it is in the recording, then that's fine, it's meant to be heard. Garbage in, garbage out. 340se's may be in my future, haven't fully decided yet.

Would the 340se's be satisfying enough for 2 channel listening or are they vastly inferior to the sierra-1? I probably won't be getting a subwoofer for a while or maybe never, I just wonder if I'm going to be losing too much by not getting tower speakers like revel f12's.
post #3707 of 3912
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Originally Posted by csgamer View Post

I'm basically looking for neutral or maybe slightly laid back speakers now. I have read a lot about the 340se and 170se and I know some say they may be slightly brighter compared to the ascend sierra-1 base model.

It's good to know you have not experienced sibilance. If it is in the recording, then that's fine, it's meant to be heard. Garbage in, garbage out. 340se's may be in my future, haven't fully decided yet.

Would the 340se's be satisfying enough for 2 channel listening or are they vastly inferior to the sierra-1? I probably won't be getting a subwoofer for a while or maybe never, I just wonder if I'm going to be losing too much by not getting tower speakers like revel f12's.

The Sierra-1 I wouldn't call a base model. The 170 came along before it and I think the 340 did also but would need to check that. The 340s are not vastly inferior to the Sierra 1 by all accounts I've read and are probably a bit better for a bigger room. I'd still get a sub for any of the Ascend speakers, though. The F12s I don't know much about but they're more expensive than the Sierra-1s and may be more comparable to the Sierra Towers....and from what specs I see on the F12 it needs a sub in any case unless you just don't care...
post #3708 of 3912
Oh, when i said sierra-1 base, I meant regular model compared to the NRT version. NRT would be too pricey for me.

Well I'm in an end unit townhouse, so I kind of want to be nice to neighbors so I may pass on a subwoofer. Why? Because I don't want the neighbor to blast music either, I can only sleep when it's dead quiet. I might still get a subwoofer for daytime movie watching.
Also, I don't need earth shattering bass, but some bass extension would be nice. I did find the pioneer 52 towers a little lacking in extension.
post #3709 of 3912
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Originally Posted by csgamer View Post

Oh, when i said sierra-1 base, I meant regular model compared to the NRT version. NRT would be too pricey for me.

Well I'm in an end unit townhouse, so I kind of want to be nice to neighbors so I may pass on a subwoofer. Why? Because I don't want the neighbor to blast music either, I can only sleep when it's dead quiet. I might still get a subwoofer for daytime movie watching.
Also, I don't need earth shattering bass, but some bass extension would be nice. I did find the pioneer 52 towers a little lacking in extension.

Having a sub doesn't mean blasting, that's up to your use of the volume control (or if you run the sub(s) hot). I converted my L/R Sierra-1s from the stock tweeter to the NrT (bought them used, the center had been converted already). The difference is subtle in any case, may or may not be worth the $ to you but would bring them closer to the price of f12s.
post #3710 of 3912
Well, I'm primarily avoiding subwoofer for now, so I can spend the bulk of my money on 5.0 speakers. But I still want my 2 channel sound to be decent. Don't know if sierra-1 is worth the extra expense over 340's. If I were to get sierra-1 for LCR, I would probably get 170se's for rear. No money left for sub. F12's would really stretch the budget, especially if I get the matching center and surround.

Still confused on whether to get bookshelf or towers too.
post #3711 of 3912
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Originally Posted by csgamer View Post

Well, I'm primarily avoiding subwoofer for now, so I can spend the bulk of my money on 5.0 speakers. But I still want my 2 channel sound to be decent. Don't know if sierra-1 is worth the extra expense over 340's. If I were to get sierra-1 for LCR, I would probably get 170se's for rear. No money left for sub. F12's would really stretch the budget, especially if I get the matching center and surround.

Still confused on whether to get bookshelf or towers too.
The 340SE will play louder than the Sierra-1 with less power, but if you have the power, the Sierra-1 can play plenty loud.

The 340SE is also great for music, not as nice as the Sierra, but for the money, it's tough to beat.
post #3712 of 3912
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Originally Posted by cschang View Post

The 340SE will play louder than the Sierra-1 with less power, but if you have the power, the Sierra-1 can play plenty loud.

The 340SE is also great for music, not as nice as the Sierra, but for the money, it's tough to beat.

Why haven't you upgraded to the towers or the horizon yet? Just curious as you've heard them all and kept your Sierra-1s.
post #3713 of 3912
Just ordered a pair of htm-200 se to replace my polk owm3 for surround duty. Can't wait! biggrin.gif
post #3714 of 3912
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Originally Posted by Ryder125 View Post

Why haven't you upgraded to the towers or the horizon yet? Just curious as you've heard them all and kept your Sierra-1s.
Missed this one...

A couple reasons....I'm happy with my setup and not ready to spend the cash because of other priorities.
Edited by cschang - 5/3/13 at 10:40pm
post #3715 of 3912
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Originally Posted by jmoakk View Post

I've been thinking about upgrading my current infinity primus setup.

L&R: Infinity Primus P362
C: Infinity Primus PC350
SR: Infinity Primus P162

Would the CMT-340's be a decent upgrade?

I would end up with the following

L&R: CMT-340 SE Pair
C: CMT-340 SE C
SR: CBM-170 SE Pair

I have the P362's upstairs on a Denon 689 and the Ascends you want in my basement + 4 more htm-200's on an Onkyo 818.

Just opinions:

I actually got the P362's well after my Ascends for my GF as she wanted a reasonable music system without a sub and they were $120 for the pair used. While decent and arguably a great value at their used price's I don't think they compare. I couldn't manage a decent soundstage with the P362's and it's effortless with 340's. P362's seemed to lose control at reasonably loud volumes and I run my 340's much harder without any issue. Either way going from my Ascends to the P362's didn't leave a great impression to me. P362's are up for sale now actually, only kept them for 2 months. Maybe it's the Denon, maybe it was her apartment layout etc....but no.

I have a small'sh room, 14 x 20 with an open hall. all 9 Ascend speakers are 10' from me except the center which is 9' and I get lost in these speakers constantly. Audyssey xt32 is easymode but It's just a giant seamless bubble of crystal clear audio that just floats around. I can't say enough good things about these Ascend speakers I always talk em up when I get the chance.
post #3716 of 3912
Just ordered cmt340 mains to complete Ht speaker system! Now the only thing left is a second sub (prolly an fv15hp) bit that will have to wait quite a while. Ill have 170 rears and 340s all across the front:) what have u guys been setting your crossovers at? I assume 80 Hz can fronts be full range or am I better letting the lv12r do all the work low?
post #3717 of 3912
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Originally Posted by newc33 View Post

Just ordered cmt340 mains to complete Ht speaker system! Now the only thing left is a second sub (prolly an fv15hp) bit that will have to wait quite a while. Ill have 170 rears and 340s all across the front:) what have u guys been setting your crossovers at? I assume 80 Hz can fronts be full range or am I better letting the lv12r do all the work low?
I would just get another LV12r.

80hz is a good starting point, but play around with it and see what sounds best to you in your room.

It is always better to let a good sub handle the lower end.
post #3718 of 3912
Why another lv12r? I talked to Dave from ascend and he said the fv15hp will blend with the lv12r nicely. If that's not the case I could always self lv12r and get one fv15
post #3719 of 3912
At that point I might look into PSA stricktly because there made in America. I do love the rythmik sound though. Still have never heard it bottom or distort or make any unwanted noise at al
Edited by newc33 - 6/10/13 at 5:56pm
post #3720 of 3912
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Originally Posted by newc33 View Post

Why another lv12r? I talked to Dave from ascend and he said the fv15hp will blend with the lv12r nicely. If that's not the case I could always self lv12r and get one fv15
True...you can never have too much subwoofer. I was just thinking from a cost standpoint.
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