Energy Owners Thread - Page 526

Bass is hard to control. Getting a speaker away from walls and corners can help tremendously, but if it's not possible, EQ systems can help. If a speaker sits against a wall and the bass is 10db louder than it should be, while the other frequencies are affected much less, Audyssey (or another EQ system) can help balance things out. The best thing to do is move the speaker away from the wall, but if that's not possible (as is the case with my RC-70), EQ can correct for the imbalance. It's not a perfect solution, but if I didn't have Audyssey, there's no way my system would sound as good as it does.

Well, is it normal for the bass at 80hz to be 10db higher but at 120hz its nearly 10db lower than the left speaker? Would the wall negatively affect higher frequencies?

we are trying to tell you that YES it is normal!

120Hz isn't a high frequency, that is only 1/2 octave higher than 80Hz. That is still solidly in the "bass range". If you look at any graph of in-room bass response you will see a ton of peaks/valleys in the low freq's (below 300Hz).

this is the reason sophisticated EQ systems exist for correcting low-end response.

THANK YOU!!!!! im going to take a look at the speakers in a few hours. those pictures are very helpful, thanks for taking the time to help. i really do appreciate it.

I didnt say it was High, I said it was Higher.

There is definitely something wrong, I moved the speaker away from the wall and positioned it right beside the right speaker, I get the same problem.

And I find it hard to believe the wall would create 10db higher at 80hz yet 120hz would be 10db lower, especially since they are, like you said relatively close in frequency.

Edit: Anyway I appreciate the help, I will try taking my receiver and fronts to a friends house, his room is a lot more ideal than mine and I have an excuse to try his paradigms lol.

Actually, I was thinking to use the whole RC-10 plus the woofers section of the c-6. This experiment is just for the fun. I am building lots of accoustic panels so room treatment is not an issue but I am interest searching more info about external active EQ though. Which one is better investment? External active EQ or decent pair of main speaker(under $2000)

I have no idea, but I do know that what you are proposing is a terrible idea if you want to have fun go for it but it is not going to be any better than, say, simple using the RC-10's crossed over to a quality sub.

Okay I am thinking of getting the RC-10 to add to what I have. Would you put the c-200s in the front and the RC-10s in the back/corner or the other way around?

--Michael

Folks,

My budget is around $750. I started with thinking about buying Energy Classic 5.0 and adding ESW-V8 sub to it - totaling to $400 after reading quite a few posts over the weekend.

Reading through many posts I found it is better to buy energy C50 bookshelf speaker pairs (4 of them would be close to $200) but I am not able to find energy CC50 for the center channel to go with it. Any suggestions as to how can I get best bang for the buck. Is the energy take classic that I started with good enough or if I can get a better setup in my price limit. What sub would be a better bet ?

I will be in an apartment setting for a long time so the setup would be for room going upto 16X20 (max); rite now is 16X14. I will be using the system for movies, music and games...Primary goal is sound quality.. not loudness

Thanks for your help

PS :- is energy take 5.1 really better than bose acoustimass 6 ??? I have read about it but bose sounded pretty good to me at my friend's place

RC-10s are the superior speaker, so naturally I would put them in the front.

akalmand - I sent you a PM regarding your quest for a C-C50.

I've narrowed my speaker upgrading choices to the Jamos C607 and the Energy RC70 speakers. With the C607 speakers, will the C80 center channel work well? Better than the C60? It seems that the C60 goes lower (55hz) even though is a smaller speaker than the C80 (70hz). What do you think is a better choice (sounds better) between the two and why? Thanks.

The C80 or C60 would work with the C607 towers. The C60 is about half the cost though. Can you even find the C80 anywhere? Supposedly the C80 is meant to go with the C809 C807 or C805 towers, while the C60 goes with the C605 and C607.

Get the C60 center and use the extra savings towards a good subwoofer.

I was playing around with that audiotest last night, this time with my center speaker, and during a sweep (80hz-200hz I think) I noticed one of the woofers making a vibrating noise. It sounded like something getting caught in a fan. It was pretty loud, I tested it a few times and it happened everytime. I tried playing normal music and the speaker seemed fine.

Is this what clipping is? Should I be worried?

how low did the sweep go? 80Hz shouldn't cause any problems but if you are running a loud sweep that goes down to 20Hz (deep bass) you could get some distortion from the woofers being overdriven.

Hello everyone,

after some extensive searching in this thread and some pms to a few, I think I can say without any reservation that I'm completely lost as to what to get for an upgrade to my current speakers. So maybe you kind folks can help me out.

My current setup is a Denon 1909, a set of Bose Acoustimass (I know, don't start, it was a gift from the wife so what can you do?) and a Klipsch RW-8 Sub ($50 from a friend). Living room (not dedicated HT room) is roughly 15x22 (with a 15x15 actual listening area if that matters). Recently I've been able to convince the wife that we want better sounding speakers, so I'm going to start building a decent living room setup starting with the front 3. Obviously wife acceptance factor is important and quite frankly, I don't want my setup to look like Frankenstein either. Primary use is movies (80%) with a mix of music/games after that. Sound is generally at medium levels as the kids are in bed when we typically watch movies, although we'll go louder for family movie nights.

I was initially looking at the Take 5 Classic setup to go with the Klipsch, but I really don't want to go back to satellites. I want better sound than that. The problem I have is that I have *no room* for towers or any type of floorstanding setup. The media center is on a wall with two large openings on either side to go to the kitchen. The media center takes up the entire wall...I'll post pics later if I have time. So I'm looking at bookshelves. I was really looking hard at the RC-Minis (at $100 a pop the price is right as I want to spend $500 max for now), but I'm concerned that they would be only marginally better than the Take 5s. Then it was the RC10s, but they're just too damned big and fairly expensive (although not prohibitively so). Plus I don't want a huge center channel, so I'd probably have to go with the RC-Mini-CC. So now I'm thinking about CB-10s.

At 11.4" tall compared to the RC-10's 13", I'm not so sure that the size would be all that different to step down to a CB-10 setup. I really like the looks and size of the RC-Minis, but I'm not sure it would be enough to fill my living room. Plus my sub has to be put on the opposite wall of the fronts and I'm concerned that crossing over at 110-120 would localize the sub too much. I want to have an immersive sound when watching movies.

Thanks in advance for any help.

-J

I'm in the same boat and can't find a c-c50 as well. Are the c-50s that much better than the take 5s?

No, it started at 80, I was making sure I never tested it at 20 as the DVD even warns you about those frequencies. The sweep lasted a good 10 seconds at least. I was playing it fairly loud as well but neither Front speaker had that distortion, only the center and only the left woofer. I've never noticed it during movie playback though but I guess it could have been doing it at a quieter level. Can it harm the speaker?

Isn't the Take Classic 5.1 discontinued? If so, what model replaced it, if any.

The Take Classic 5 Pack replaced it. No sub with it, though. You can get it on newegg for $180.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-004-_-Product

that's not really a replacement, it's the same set just not bundled with the subwoofer.

as far as I know it hasn't been discontinued, they still show the product on the website:
http://www.energy-speakers.com/na-en.../take-classic/

it's a relatively new product and seems to be quite popular, so I wouldn't see why it would be discontinued? where did you hear that? the press release announcing the product wasn't even 2 yrs ago:
http://www.energy-speakers.com/na-en...assic-details/

It used to be on amazon.com and it showed "(discontinued)" in the title. Now it's not even on amazon anymore. I think I also saw it on another site as "discontinued" as well. Can't remember what site. It seems not many sites have it anymore.

I think its a better deal w/o the sub anyway. You can buy your own sub to meet your needs. The included model wasn't all that great.

Anyone after a like new C-C50 (Black) PM me. Not even broke in yet per the 100 hours Energy recommends

Have you looked at the Energy C-50s? They're only 8.5" tall and you can get them for $44.50 a pop at wwstereo.com (pick up one for your center channel if you can fit it physically).

Haven't looked at the C-50. How does the sound of the C-50 compare to the RC-Mini?

The RC is much better.

Subie, have you heard both sets? Just curious in what way they sound better.

thanks!

I own c-50s. I've heard RC-70s, which are in the same RC series. Not that the c-series is bad, as they are very nice speakers. The c-series sound hollow in comparison to the richness of the rc series.

The C series is a really good sounding speaker, but the RC raises the bar with both the woofer and the tweeter. Highs are cleaner and distortion free in the RCs. Highs with the C series can be harsher, especially at high volumes. The woofer on the RC is a ribbed elliptical design, which makes for smoother bass response. The result is a smoother, cleaner response from top to bottom, especially as you raise the volume level.