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post #15871 of 51452
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Originally Posted by subiefast View Post

I do have a sub

If I had to chose between 3 bookshelves with sub versus 3 towers without a sub, I'd go for the bookshelves with a sub. I'd personally rather do 3 towers with a sub.


Gotcha again. But why is that better?? Is that the general concensus?

PF
post #15872 of 51452
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Originally Posted by pinkfreud55 View Post

Gotcha again. But why is that better?? Is that the general concensus?

PF

It's better because a vertical tower will have better off axis sound quality. While I guess a standard MTM center will have lobing. Also, the larger cabinet will have more total output, and "depth" in the sound.

Yeah, it's the general consensus around here. People generally use center channels because they don't have space for vertical towers.
post #15873 of 51452
And why the hell does it say that I'm a senior member??? That is strange. Seriously.

PF
post #15874 of 51452
I also forgot to mention that the RC-70 is a true 3 way speaker. You won't get that in the smaller RC series.
post #15875 of 51452
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Originally Posted by pinkfreud55 View Post

And why the hell does it say that I'm a senior member??? That is strange. Seriously.

PF

It's based on post count. It doesn't take many posts to get senior member status.
post #15876 of 51452
Pheufff, that makes sense. But if you look at most of my posts, they are posts like this one..... lol. And I really don't think I have 249 well make that 250 posts.

PF
post #15877 of 51452
Has anyone listened to both RC10s and C300 towers? Will RC-10s be considered significantly better than the C-300 towers? I only listened to RC10s at a local dealer. I thought it was better than Klipsch, but didn't compare with
anything else. BTW, I have an energy sub so the tower's deeper bass is not an issue. But it looks kinda cool w/ the gloss front.

THanks.
post #15878 of 51452
Who can help me, where can I buy the rosenut energy's RCLCR,amazon only Black.
I have purchased RC50,RC10.Only a thin RCLCR(rosenut).
thx
post #15879 of 51452
I bought RC10's from Vanns. Received them roughly the 1st of November, but was in the middle of a move, so they sat at my mom's house. I just opened them today, and one of the speakers is broken. I've already emailed Vanns, but seeing as its a month later, not sure how much help they will be. Anyone know who I would have to go through for this fix?
post #15880 of 51452
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Originally Posted by kliang View Post

Has anyone listened to both RC10s and C300 towers? Will RC-10s be considered significantly better than the C-300 towers? I only listened to RC10s at a local dealer. I thought it was better than Klipsch, but didn't compare with
anything else. BTW, I have an energy sub so the tower's deeper bass is not an issue. But it looks kinda cool w/ the gloss front.

THanks.

RCs are definitely better.
post #15881 of 51452
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Originally Posted by rpkelly View Post

I bought RC10's from Vanns. Received them roughly the 1st of November, but was in the middle of a move, so they sat at my mom's house. I just opened them today, and one of the speakers is broken. I've already emailed Vanns, but seeing as its a month later, not sure how much help they will be. Anyone know who I would have to go through for this fix?

When you say broken, do you mean it was all smashed up, or it isn't playing right and cosmetically looks fine? If the latter, have you tried tighting the speaker terminals on the back?
post #15882 of 51452
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Originally Posted by Kpt_Krunch View Post

When you say broken, do you mean it was all smashed up, or it isn't playing right and cosmetically looks fine? If the latter, have you tried tighting the speaker terminals on the back?

Broken as in it sounds like the magnet fell off inside the cabinet.
post #15883 of 51452
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Originally Posted by pinkfreud55 View Post

Gotcha again. But why is that better?? Is that the general concensus?

PF

For home theater you need a sub. If you are looking at this deal go for the energy LCR center on sale now at future shop tonight and tommorow only on a after hours online sale for $600CND. I have the RC70s and the LCR up front and they match well. 3 RC70s would be a little better than a RC LCR but IMHO not worth the price difference between $1250 for 1 extra RC70 and $600 for the LCR.

Even with the RC70s for two channel music I use my velo sub with a cross over of 60hz and it blends nicely and gives an extra umph to music when compared to just using the towers. For movies I use a crossover of 80 on the RC70s
post #15884 of 51452
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Originally Posted by Danielson99 View Post

Never heard of a Velo DLP12, is that a typo? DSLR4000 is just a 200w RMS front firing 12" that goes down to the mid 20's (-3db@25hz). It has 4 preset listening modes and a remote.

You could also keep the 4 RC-70's and sell both of your subs and get a PB13 Ultra

Sorry yes I have the DPS12. Love the way you say "just a 200w RMS front firing 12" that goes down to the mid 20's (-3db@25hz)." I feel so inadequate Maybe if I got this package my 4 RC-70s and 2 12inch subs would make me feel beter. LOL
post #15885 of 51452
I can second what CalgaryCowboy said....
post #15886 of 51452
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Originally Posted by CalgaryCowboy View Post

For home theater you need a sub. If you are looking at this deal go for the energy LCR center on sale now at future shop tonight and tommorow only on a after hours online sale for $600CND. I have the RC70s and the LCR up front and they match well. 3 RC70s would be a little better than a RC LCR but IMHO not worth the price difference between $1250 for 1 extra RC70 and $600 for the LCR.

Even with the RC70s for two channel music I use my velo sub with a cross over of 60hz and it blends nicely and gives an extra umph to music when compared to just using the towers. For movies I use a crossover of 80 on the RC70s

In my room, a tower as a center was a significant improvement in dialogue clarity, and depth. Whether it's worth the price or not is up to the buyer. If you can fit it, an RC-30 or RC-50 would also make an excellent center channel.
post #15887 of 51452
Hey Guys,

I just picked up a pair of Energy RC MINI's in rosewood (got the 'last' pair from Vann's for a dime) - I have them hooked into an Emotiva XPA-2 (lol) - as I just downgraded from towers for WAF reasons.

To be perfectly honest, I wasn't expecting much - but damn, these things really do sound good. Very detailed, and layered - a bit bright at louder listening volumes, however, I think that may resolve itself over the next few days of 'breaking in'.

I of course, added a subwoofer for below 85hz and I've got to say - the combination is pretty stunning for the size of this thing.

They image well, have a nice off-axis sound, and still produce a perceptable soundstage - of course not as large as the Mirage OMD-15's I had, but I was like damn.

I'd credit the good sound more to the DAC/AMP - but the speakers are able to play clearly.

I'm still listening to them now, and outside of soundstage DEPTH, they are a really great speaker - esp. considering how small they are, it's ridiculous.

Anyway, just thought I'd throw in my .02 cents.
post #15888 of 51452
Lol.... I'm picturing, a 75 lb amp hooked up to rc-minis.
post #15889 of 51452
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Originally Posted by subiefast View Post

Lol.... I'm picturing, a 75 lb amp hooked up to rc-minis.

I know, considering I could probably fit 6 of them inside the case of the amp. Originally the plan was to downgrade to the UPA-2, but I decided that down the road I'll go back to floor standers and would just end up buying this amp all over again.

So yea, these MINI's can now fill my living room with sound easily
post #15890 of 51452
subiefast, when you say RC10s are definitely better than C300, can you elaborate? C300 has a 6"+ woofer, and RC10 has a 5"+. C300 is a tower. I wonder what improvements in the fundamentals does RC10 have over C300 to warrant a definitely better sound. thx
post #15891 of 51452
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Originally Posted by subiefast View Post

In my room, a tower as a center was a significant improvement in dialogue clarity, and depth. Whether it's worth the price or not is up to the buyer. If you can fit it, an RC-30 or RC-50 would also make an excellent center channel.

I agree with you. I actaully looked for the 1 rc-30 that had been left in stock for weeks now online at future shop but someone had snagged it. For some reason lots of the RC line has become hard to find here in Canada. The RC-10, and smaller then RC-70s are hard to find.

Of course the LCR is not your typical small 2 way center. It is smaller then a RC-30 in cabinet but has the same tweeter and woofers with the addition of 2 midrange cones. Would be interested if anybody has experience comparing a LCR against the RC-30 or 50 for center channel.
post #15892 of 51452
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Originally Posted by CalgaryCowboy View Post

I agree with you. I actaully looked for the 1 rc-30 that had been left in stock for weeks now online at future shop but someone had snagged it. For some reason lots of the RC line has become hard to find here in Canada. The RC-10, and smaller then RC-70s are hard to find.

Of course the LCR is not your typical small 2 way center. It is smaller then a RC-30 in cabinet but has the same tweeter and woofers with the addition of 2 midrange cones. Would be interested if anybody has experience comparing a LCR against the RC-30 or 50 for center channel.

I like the RC-30, a 2 way, better. I run 3 RC-30s in my bedroom system. I'd have 3 RC-70s in my main home theater if I had the space. Having 3 matching fronts is ideal, IMO.
post #15893 of 51452
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Originally Posted by CalgaryCowboy View Post

I agree with you. I actaully looked for the 1 rc-30 that had been left in stock for weeks now online at future shop but someone had snagged it. For some reason lots of the RC line has become hard to find here in Canada. The RC-10, and smaller then RC-70s are hard to find.

Of course the LCR is not your typical small 2 way center. It is smaller then a RC-30 in cabinet but has the same tweeter and woofers with the addition of 2 midrange cones. Would be interested if anybody has experience comparing a LCR against the RC-30 or 50 for center channel.

I went from horizontal with 3 woofers (KEF IQ6C), and the same tweeter to a tower (IQ5), huge improvement. Of course my old center didn't have the diagonal tweeter thing the LCR has, but it has a uni-q tweeter in the center of the middle woofer. My center was 3 was as well. So is my tower though. I've heard the LCR, but not the RC-50 or 30.
post #15894 of 51452
I just bought a panasonic G15 46 inch plasma with a panny BD60 blu-ray player on BF from 6ave.com. Once I find the price I like, I am going to purchase a Denon 1910 (thinking about 2310 but assume 1910).

Now I am searching for a speaker system to match, but need advice since I have not had this type of audio setup before. Here are some the constraints I am working with:

-- My budget is about $1000 for the receiver and speakers. Could go with 2310 receiver (can find for < $600 sometimes), but that eat $'s for speakers
-- room size is 13x18. Couch and TV set up parallel to the short wall about 12' away from the front and 6' from the back.
-- celing height is 15' at the top and slopes down to 8' on the sides. Magnolia people at BB say I will need omni-directional speakers due to celing height. They suggest def-tech or bose (don't want bose...too much advertising $s).
-- I need to mount the speakers, which limits the size. We have 10 month old twins that will knock down floor standing speakers.
-- want clear dialogue. Will have to play low volume a lot now b/c of twins. Really need good clear dialogue from center channel speaker
-- 5.1 setup (even though receiver can power 7.1...just don't need the extra two)

I've heard the RC-Micro's and Mirage Nanosat and have read a lot about the Take Classics. I can get Takes for cheap right now at newegg (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882269004) and then get the 8" sub for another $140 or so. RC-Micro's can be had for $599 many places.

I know this question is fairly open ended but I would love to get advice from the community on speaker suggestions that I should go and try out that fit my criteria above, especially energy speakers. Thanks.
post #15895 of 51452
I just changed my front room around today , and can't remember what to use for bi/dipole settings. My main listening position is right below the surrounds against the back wall. Also what is recommended for setting a sub during ypoa, such as gain etc.?

Thanks
post #15896 of 51452
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Originally Posted by nucl3arboNg View Post

I just changed my front room around today , and can't remember what to use for bi/dipole settings. My main listening position is right below the surrounds against the back wall. Also what is recommended for setting a sub during ypoa, such as gain etc.?

Thanks

disable crossover on sub, set gain half way, and set phase to 0.

dipole or bipole is preference.
post #15897 of 51452
Hey thx. I thought there was a specific application for both. Lol guess I should just listen for myself.
post #15898 of 51452
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Originally Posted by kliang View Post

subiefast, when you say RC10s are definitely better than C300, can you elaborate? C300 has a 6"+ woofer, and RC10 has a 5"+. C300 is a tower. I wonder what improvements in the fundamentals does RC10 have over C300 to warrant a definitely better sound. thx

he just said the RC's are better, and they are. forget about all that on-paper spec stuff, the entire RC line is a step up from any speaker in the C-Series line. I haven't heard the C-300 but I had the C-100 and a/b'd them to the RC-10's and it was no contest. The RC-10's have a richer, more refined sound, smoother more controlled bass, and a vastly better tweeter which is able to be simultaneously more detailed and yet smoother than the C-Series.

If you are building a system up, and you are starting with two speakers, start with the better speakers first.

Of course, this is all about priorities and budget. You have to be the judge of how "picky" or "critical" you are. If you just want an inexpensive 5.1 setup to get something better than the TV speakers, the C-Series are excellent and a very economical choice (if you can find them in stock) at their current closeout pricing. If you are looking to build a quality setup for the long term, or want to do critical 2-ch music listening, get the better speaker now and build slowly.
post #15899 of 51452
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Originally Posted by nucl3arboNg View Post

Hey thx. I thought there was a specific application for both. Lol guess I should just listen for myself.

in theory, a dipole speaker will create a "null" directly in front of the speakers where the slightly out-of-phase drivers cancel out. this allows you to sit right next to the speaker and yet not be annoyed by the "directional" sound of a speaker firing into your ear. The "null" means you are hearing mostly reflected sound off the walls/ceiling and so the surrounds get a more diffuse effect.

bipole speakers fire in-phase so you don't get any cancellation. They are generally considered to be a nice balance between the "direct" sound of monopole speakers and the very diffuse sound of dipoles... you hear a mix of direct and reflected sound.

which one you prefer will depend on many factors including the specific room layout, room acoustics, and your preferences. pick a few favorite scenes from some movies and try it in both modes and see which you like better.
post #15900 of 51452
internet seeker -

some thoughts:

1) you have a small room and it won't take much power to play loud, only get the 2310 over the 1910 for your AVR if you want the extra features (e.g. GUI, 5th HDMI input). they will sound identical. In fact, unless you need more than 3 HDMI inputs I would suggest you drop down to the 1610 model and invest more money in speakers, you will get better bang-for-the-buck.

2) "Magnolia people at BB say I will need omni-directional speakers due to celing height. They suggest def-tech or bose" -- there is a reason they are pushing these products!! always question a sales guys' movies omnipolar speakers will give a more "spacious" sound with all the reflections (vice direct sound) but there is no inherent reason why you need them in that room. However, def tech and bose both have huge markups so..... you figure it out.... (BTW - def tech speakers are very good, just overpriced.... Bose on the other hand just sucks)

3) if a wood finish works I would suggest RC-Mini's (closeout pricing on cherry finish from Vann's and sometimes WWStereo) instead of spending $600 on the Micro setup. For the same price you can get 5 cherry RC-Mini's and a $100 sub and end up much better off. The RC-Mini's come with their own mounting bracket that is very easy to install.

As soulrider was commenting above, the RC-Mini's are really spectacularly good for the size and at $100 apiece they are a steal, the build quality is awesome also with the real-wood veneers. They are a really huge step up from the tiny satellite speakers like takes or micros or nanosats.

So how I would spend the $1000, if you only need 5.1:

$300 - AVR 1610
$500 - five RC-Mini's
$200 - get a nice 10 or 12 inch sub (BIC F12, tSc ASW-10, PA-120)

that setup will blow away a system where you go with the 2310 and end up having to skimp on speakers and get the Take Classic instead... if sound quality (vs features) is the main priority invest $$ in the speakers, they are the main determinant of sound quality.
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