Energy Owners Thread - Page 63

Hey loose - it sure is. According to my salesman at F/S, that's the only store in Edmonton (F/S store) carrying the Veritas line. I was actually surprised to see them there, to tell you the truth.

Trust me, the RC-70's sound just fine. In a couple of weeks, head back there. I need to exchange one of my RC-70's, as it has damage on the front right corner (they were the only two they had left, and the one box was dented in the corner, does not affect the sound at all, but cosmetically I want it perfect - when you're there in a few weeks, that blown speaker will be replaced by the 'crushed' corner one). What I did was turn the right speaker out to the right and stood along the right wall, this cut out that left speaker. It was funny the guy there didn't realize it was bad. I may not have picked up on it either if not for my bad tweet in the first pair of RC-10's I got. I'm glad these things have a 5 year warranty.

You wanna know something real strange? The Veritas has a similar sonic signature to my Ascends. Honest, they do. Don't get me wrong, the Veritas has a much larger sweet spot then the Ascends (they better, they cost 10 x more ) but the tone is very similar. Just for kicks I may take my Ascends down there one day and hook them up above the Veritas just to double check. One thing about the Ascend though, they don't layer nearly as well as the Veritas or the RC's. EVERYTHING is up front with the Ascend, and that's not necessarily a bad thing, at least not all the time. The RC's play everything the Ascends do, but with a much deeper, 3d sound stage, and much more richer flavour, even the RC-10s are richer than the 340's.

The RC-10's with a good sub is a great setup. In fact, for a smaller room, I'd go with them in heart beat - especially when you can get them for less than $500! Those RC-70's are very nice though to. No real critical listening yet. I'm in the middle of finishing up my landscaping before the snow flies. Building a fence and feeding the family tomorrow as my wife works on Thankskgiving Monday (for my US friends that may not be aware, our Thanksgiving is the first Monday in October).

I never got a chance to listen to the Athena's (too busy listening to the Veritas ) but I did recommend some AS F2 I believe) for a buddy of mine a couple of years ago. For a 'budget' speaker, Athena is the way to go IMO, they sound great for their price.

Ok, now the real bad news - I'm out of town working starting Tuesday for the rest of the week. So I won't be able to really evaluate or post anything on them for awhile. One thing for sure though, I'll bet when I get my replacment RC70 in a few weeks, it will 'sound' no different then the one I'll still have that's had some 'run in time' on it. I may be wrong, but I don't think they will break in all that much in terms of sound quality. If they do, I'll definitely eat crow and post it.

Hey guys, I am currently building a HT room, (30 feet long x 10 wide x 7 feet tall) I work at a major electronics retailer and because of this get a discount on speakers. I am currently looking at the energy system consisting of: RC-70's, RC-LCR and the RC-10's. Now, the only problem is we do not sell the 12'' energy sub. only the s10.3. Out of these options which would be the best sub for this energy configuration: energy s10.3, klipsch 12'' sub-12, Infinity 12'' PS-212, Velodyne DSP-12B, Polk 12''- PSW-125 OR PSW-505. Also, I currently have a Yamaha 5950 receiver. I appreciate any help any of you guys are able to give me. I have no idea what I should get.

Sports4Life, that's a good sized room, so you may actually need two subs.

Of those, I'd consider the PSW505, PS-212 or stay with the Energy S10.3. The Energy is a pretty good sub and it can compare well with some 12" subs due to its very good driver.

yeah that's fairly decent power (current producing capability) for your fronts.


same thing here, I invested into amps, and will probably change to latest pre-amp/processor every few years.

you're right, these Energy S-series subs are excellent (especially for the price). I use an S8.3 in my small room set-up and it is more than enough. I would imagine the S10.3 (or S12.3) would work awesome.

I wish Energy (Klipsch) would get their act together with the newer Reference Connoisseur Series subs, they are even better and nicer looking (from what I've seen in the past). However they had some initial engineering/design issues with the first production run. Apparently there were some documented cases of unit's catching fire due to amplifier dysfunction. The amp's are a 3rd-party design so not sure if it's purely some outside company problem or what? I had an RC-SUB10 on order about 5 months back and they refunded my money as the product was re-called until further notice. Supposedly they are due to be re-released to the market at some point.

RC-SUB 8
$900.00 each (US)
$1100.00 each (CAN)
8" Active flat panel
Dual 8" Passive flat panel
10-1/2 x 10-1/2 x 10-1/2"

RC-SUB 10
$1200.00 each (US)
$1500.00 each (CAN)
10" Active flat panel
Dual 10" Passive flat panel
12-1/2 x 12-1/2 x 12-1/2"

RC-SUB 12
$1600.00 each (US)
$2000.00 each (CAN)
12" Active flat panel
Dual 12" Passive flat panel
14-1/2 x 14-1/2 x 14-1/2"

http://www.audioholics.com/news/pres...oisseur-series
http://www.avrev.com/news/1005/07.energysub.html

Wow, thanks for all the help guys. As far as having a sub by another company, like the Polk, are there any issues with this. Or will it integrate nicely into the system? And from the replies I got it seems my receiver will do the trick then. One thing about the room I must mention is that the 30 feet in length is not fully utilized. It could be but won't so as far as having 2 subs, I am not so sure this would still apply.

Thanks again guys.

It's not a problem mixing and matching subs, and in fact, I doubt that the majority of the forum members here have a matched brand sub. Subs all have phase or polarity and level (and your receiver has crossover settings) to help you ensure the sound blends well to your speakers.

Now, the issue is whether you should just limit yourself to those brands. If you are buying RC70's, you are going to have one very nice speaker system, and it's a shame you don't get a sub of equal capability (Energy S12.3 or better) to let you really hear those low bass notes that are prevalent on blockbuster movie soundtracks. It is commonly said that the human can hear down to frequency 20Hz, and something like the Energy 10.3 starts to cut off between 25-30Hz (despite what the spec says). A lot of people like to buy SVS, Hsu and eD brand subs because they are able to reach deep frequencies with more ease and they match those subs with their favorite brand of speaker.

Regarding your room, even though you may be sitting closer than 30feet, the feeling of bass depends on the sub's ability to pressurize the room, so you still have to account for the fact that your sub is working in a large room, so it's still worth it to get the largest sub you can fit and afford

Hi there Sports4Life - that's the exact setup I just got. Though I will be getting the RCR's as well - but just didn't have the funds for them now so I will wait (maybe a stupid boxing day sale or something). It is a great setup even though I've been too busy to sit down and just listen for a few hours.

That's a good question on the sub. That new RC sub looks very interesting. Right now I'm running a Paradigm PW-2200. A 12" sub that reaches down to 18 hz (spec wise, I know it doesn't go down that low in my room, but it's plenty deep). My H/T room (when built) will be approx 24 feet long, 14 wide, and 9 feet high. Not sure what I'll use yet, but I will be spending a lot of money on room acoustics (I'll do it as cheaply as I can - but I want the room to be as dead as a real movie theatre and sound proofed as much as possible - wife doesn't like 'loud' period, I do ). I may go with the Servo line from Paradigm (maybe even the Sig servo) or a cuple of the new SVS PC Ultras (they have parametic equalizers as well as the Servos, so it's easier to dial these subs into your room). One thing about bass - it's bass. As long as it hits hard and goes low at good SPL's without bottoming out you'll be OK.

I've heard some subs are more 'musical' than others, but personally I'd be worried more about H/T for the sub, that's where it will come into play the most.

I'm not a big fan of the Polk subs. I had the 404 and bottomed it out very easily so I took it back. The PW-2200 has not even been close to bottoming out, and it even made my wife sick (whe helped me calibrate it at my own house, the SPL was so strong it changed the air pressure in the room, she had to leave as it was making her physically ill. Though the bass is not as tight as I'd like it, it's still a pretty solid sub and won't be going anywhere.

Good luck with your search - sorry I'm not much help, just audition whatever you can and make sure you get room treatments .

As far as subs go, take a look at the Mirage Omni series. Energy sister company, same ribbed surrounds on the woofer, like our beloved RC's. Pricing is decent on these, hopefully in Canada too. I have the S-10, there is a S-12, in a room roughly 22X16X10. It complements my RC-50's well...musical and although I am not sure how low, it hits nicely for HT as well. Just a suggestion......

Sports4Life...ever thought about an SVS or HSu or eD?

Couldn't agree more! However, he did mention he works for an electronic retailer and would like to benefit from the discount.

This is the key. I really want to know out of the brands I mentioned, which would be the best. I appreciate all the suggestions guys. What about this model Velodyne Accoustics 15" Subwoofer (DLS-5000R)? Any other thoughts on my mentioned subs would be appreciated. Thanks.

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/spe...ubwoofers.html

Hope it's useful, good luck!! If it were my money, at that price point
http://www.sonicboomaudio.com/Produc...?ProductID=486 all the way!!
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The DLS5000R is very good as you can see from the review linked in the post above. If you can get that instead of the other ones you mentioned, I'd definitely go with the Velodyne

I'm really surprised to hear you say that the RC-70's go way deeper. I faced-off my RC-70's with a friend's 2.4i's and my poor little RC-70's got annihilated on the low end. The biggest test was "Host of the Seraphim" by "Dead Can Dance". The low organ that plays throughout the track was nearly inaudible on the RC-70 and very clear on the 2.4i. All the usual caveats apply since the test was done with different rooms and amps, but now that I've added an SVS PC-Ultra to the mix, everything sounds much more "full".

I'm looking for wall mount brackets that will fit my V2.0R surrounds without modifying the speakers. Does anyone know of a bracket that will use the built-in holes on the speaker? I'd like a tilt/swivel bracket.

Hi I am considering purchasing the whole veritas set, v2.4i 2.0ri and 2.0ci, I currently am using a harman kardon avr 345 but will upgrade to an avr 445 ( it delivers 80 watts per channel is 4 and 6 ohm capable and is a high current reciever) will this be enough to get the sound quality these speakers are capable of producing or should i look towards a better reciever, if so and suggestions?

If you have a subwoofer and plan on using it for music as well as HT then get the 2.3i instead. The 2.4i has to have a lot of room around it to avoid interactions with walls etc (like 5' from side and back walls), it also needs a larger room than the 2.3i (15 by 30 is a good size). The problem is front and rear ports. The 2.3i only has front ports so you can push it up against a wall without much issue. Bass response will actually be a lot worse than the 2.3i in a small to moderately sized room because of interactions with the room.

As far as power is concerned, no it isn't enough for the 2.4i or 2.3i unless you only listen at moderate levels in a small room with a subwoofer (not a likely if you buy the 2.4i). Get something like an Onkyo 805 and up if you want a receiver or a 6 series and up in the HK line, but separates are better with its efficiency. The 2.4i only has an 85 db at 1 watt efficiency rating (it takes a lot of power to make up for the difference between the efficiency of a 2.3i versus a 2.4i, like 5 time as much (2 decibels difference at least))

Basically, if you want full range speakers and don't have lots of space don't buy the 2.4i Veritas, the 2.3i goes almost as low (within 5 hertz) its dynamics are pretty close to the same in a moderately sized room (10 by 20 by 7 for instance) and it is a lot cleaner in a small or moderate size room (I love the sound of mine) because of the porting difference.

Thanks for the info, the only problem is they come as a speaker package at almost 50% off, so the v2.3i's arent available in the package, my ht room is 13x15 at the moment possibly moving it into a bigger room, would the v2.4i's performance be hindered alot by the room size? Also would the yamaha HTR6090B work well I can get that at almost 50% off as well. Thanks

Oh and also the speaker package is from american theatre (www.amsound2.com) they claim they are an authourized dealer, can anyone back this up? Thanks.

Speaking for myself, I have never seen that site? I am not saying they are not ligit, although that price makes me wonder!

Go to Energy's site to check it out, no address on the site so caveat emptor. I seriously doubt they are authorized though. Call Energy if you are worried.

http://www.energy-speakers.com/v2/dealer/index.php

Most of the authorized dealer stuff is about protecting the price and service on the products. There are a lot of gray market retailers out there and some are good. but with no physical address I am dubious.

You could compensate for the room size by using sound absorbent materials on the walls or ceilings. You will probably have problems unless you use a 80 Hertz crossover setting or higher (kinda defeats most of what the 2.4i offers over the 2.3i). With a subwoofer and crossover you will be able to work around the resonant frequencies of the room which is where the problems will arise.

On receivers, stick with your HK brand or Onkyo. The Onkyo 805 and up can drive it and are pretty reasonably priced (all the "and ups" have basically the same amplifier section except the 905). You get more features, inputs and video scaling for more money.

Yamaha, Pioneer, etc. do not have very honest numbers on power, their numbers are for two channels driven into 8 Ohms with a 1khz test tone (not very useful). The best indicator is the amperage or wattage numbers for the power supply then how hot it runs (as a measure of efficiency, the cooler the better, not counting fans and heat sinks of course). Look at the reviews around the web for more honest numbers.

Hi Folks,

I have the original Take 2 series setup with SR8.2 subwoofer. I bought it during my apartment days and it has served me well. However, after moving to a house, the system is serving a 21 x 19 room with vaulted ceiling. What I have noticed is that while fronts and rears are still superb, the center channel is really lacking here. If I turn the volume up too much to hear the dialog, then whole system goes loud.

Right now, I don't have budget to go for more powerful speakers (RC-70 etc.)
I was wondering if C-C100 (or C-C1/C-C3) would be good replacements for center channel in my Take 2 system. Is anyone using this combination?

Thanks!

Ravi.

Feedback I've seen for amsound looks dubious at best. I would not trust such a large purchase regardless of price.

Anyone interested in a complete set of (02) RC-30's and (01) RC-LCR, cherry finish, in like-new condition, please PM me.

Hi J-bone - the only cd I heard was DSOTM - the bass I heard on the 2.4i's was not as deep as was on the RC-70's - but that was from ONE speaker (the other RC-70 had a blown tweet and I had turned it out and away). Besides, those freakin things are FIVE grand - I'll say anything and 'hear' anything to talk myself out of buying those

But make no mistake - they are different speakers to be sure. When I take my one RC-70 speaker back next week to replace (has a damaged corner) it - I"ll get them to hook it up in place of the one with the bad tweeter and I"ll get more of an idea of how it sounds vs. the Veritas. It could very well be the bass was just more prominent on the RC's due to the bad tweeter in the one speaker (causing the bass to be more pronounced then it should be). In other words, an auditory illusion (as opposed to an optical illusion).

edit - checked the specs - not much diff between the two. RC-70 has a range of 31 hz to 23 khz, while the 2.4i's have a range of 30hz to 20 khz. So the 2.4i's will go 1 hz lower. Both were close to the back wall (about a foot). Maybe the 2.4'i's need more room to breathe. Maybe the ports in the back were plugged (I didn't look). But spec wise, not much diff between the two.

Just a warning: They are NOT an authorized retailer. I've purchased from them before and everything went well for me, however if you check around online, they are known under several different names and apparently have a long history of screwing customers.

With all the discussion about the US vs Canada pricing on Energy speakers...I was surprised that today, there was a one day sale on Energy RC-30 for $699 CAD today only (50% off MSRP)....which puts it on par with the US lowest advertised street price for once. They had 98 speakers in stock even as this one day sale is coming to a close

I guess this is good news for us Canadians who still want to buy Energy speakers, as we can probably look forward to other decent deals on other Energy for a change. But this is also a sign that Energy as a brand now falls into the "discount" brands category, as it was normally difficult to get a deal like this when Energy was only sold at smaller audio retailers. I would definitely be wary of paying top dollar at a smaller audio retailer for Energy when I could just wait for Futureshop to offer another sale like this.

Too bad I don't need any more speakers because I would have jumped on this deal myself

wow! that's a killer deal which-ever way you look at it. The RC-Series are definitely some of the best speakers of there kind (I think). Hopefully they (Energy/Klipsch) have maintained good quality manufacturing.

It will be interesting to see what the new Energy (Klipsch) design team can come up with to "better" their line beyond the RC-Series (with John T.)

For sure - great deal on those - better than my 40% lol. But it is nice to see. I know the 'boutique' stores don't like this much, but their idea of a 'sale' is 15 to 20% off, which still doesn't get most speakers / electronics down to MSRP in the U.S. Don't need anymore myself, but I better keep checking the web - F.S. offers 30 day price protection as well