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post #20041 of 47718
afrogt: which 36" stands are you using? I'm open to other stand suggestions as well
post #20042 of 47718
Well the 5.1 is installed. The right REAR wasn't as I had hoped. No way to mount it right on the wall I wanted so it had to go up 3 inches on the slanted ceiling. Not ideal for the CR-10 but I don't think it makes a big difference. Except the woofer is now somewhat facing down at at 40degree angle. Setting it on Di-Pole seems to have made it sound just fine. Still not too happy with it but what can you do when you are trying to make it work in a regular living room?
post #20043 of 47718
Ok...looking for some advice. Looking to upgrade my entry level Polk setup with Energy. Appreciate comments on this setup and if it is a BIG step from my current configuration:

Receiver = Pioneer Elite VSX-91TXH

Polk Monitor Series:
Monitor 50 (fronts)
Monitor 30 (rear)
CS1 (Front)

Looking to change to Energy:
CF-50 (Front)
CB-10 (Rear)
CC-10 (center)

No change to sub.....good there.

Thanks in advance for honest input....

Mark
post #20044 of 47718
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Originally Posted by mengle View Post

Ok...looking for some advice. Looking to upgrade my entry level Polk setup with Energy. Appreciate comments on this setup and if it is a BIG step from my current configuration:

Receiver = Pioneer Elite VSX-91TXH

Polk Monitor Series:
Monitor 50 (fronts)
Monitor 30 (rear)
CS1 (Front)

Looking to change to Energy:
CF-50 (Front)
CB-10 (Rear)
CC-10 (center)

No change to sub.....good there.

Thanks in advance for honest input....

Mark


Why not Swap the CF-50 for the RC-30 (http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ENRC30)
and the CC-10 for a RC-Mini Center (http://www.energy-speakers.com/na-en...nter-overview/) and then change the rear to the CR-10s (http://www.energy-speakers.com/na-en...r-10-overview/) or just stick with the CB-10s actually. Might come out cheaper and better?
post #20045 of 47718
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Originally Posted by its phillip View Post

afrogt: which 36" stands are you using? I'm open to other stand suggestions as well

Mine are made by Wood Technology and I got them 4-5 years ago when Audio Advisor was having a sale.

Something like these but mine have a 5.75" top plate.
http://www.wood-tech.com/products/sp...stands/wc-35.5

I'm sure these would work for RC-10s or other bookshelf speakers. Good price and 6" top plate.
http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Black-.../dp/B00092HW9G
post #20046 of 47718
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Originally Posted by Prismx View Post

Why not Swap the CF-50 for the RC-30 (http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ENRC30)
and the CC-10 for a RC-Mini Center (http://www.energy-speakers.com/na-en...nter-overview/) and then change the rear to the CR-10s (http://www.energy-speakers.com/na-en...r-10-overview/) or just stick with the CB-10s actually. Might come out cheaper and better?

Thanks for the feedback...hadn't thought about that configuration. I guess I was looking at the those speakers was because I could actually find a place to see / hear them......
post #20047 of 47718
Hello looking to purchase a pair of the Rc-70s. Who has the best price on them currently? Thanks.
post #20048 of 47718
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

Mine are made by Wood Technology and I got them 4-5 years ago when Audio Advisor was having a sale.

Something like these but mine have a 5.75" top plate.
http://www.wood-tech.com/products/sp...stands/wc-35.5

I'm sure these would work for RC-10s or other bookshelf speakers. Good price and 6" top plate.
http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Black-.../dp/B00092HW9G

Great, thanks
post #20049 of 47718
I am considering picking up a pair of RC-30's but am concerned about a matching center channel. I will be running a 3.1 setup and know it's hard to find the RC-LCR center (especially at a reasonable price). I know that using the RC-mini as a center is an option but worry the RC-30's will overpower it. If I had space for a third RC-30, I would just use that as my center channel but unfortunately I don't. Can anyone comment on this? I am down to the RC-30's or the Infinity P362's on sale at Crutchfield. I want the RC-30's but if the center is a big issue, I will just go with the P362's. Thanks in advance!
post #20050 of 47718
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Originally Posted by YOTR View Post

I am considering picking up a pair of RC-30's but am concerned about a matching center channel. I will be running a 3.1 setup and know it's hard to find the RC-LCR center (especially at a reasonable price). I know that using the RC-mini as a center is an option but worry the RC-30's will overpower it. If I had space for a third RC-30, I would just use that as my center channel but unfortunately I don't. Can anyone comment on this? I am down to the RC-30's or the Infinity P362's on sale at Crutchfield. I want the RC-30's but if the center is a big issue, I will just go with the P362's. Thanks in advance!

I think the RC-mini center channel will work just fine for you...... unless you are trying to fill a very large room with loud levels of sound. Then the mini may not be the best. The RC-30 towers are actually very compact compared to other tower models and will match nicely with it.. Especially if you have a newer receiver with Audyssey and such, matching up different sized speakers becomes much easier. But, I guess I should defer to someone who actually uses the RC-mini center in their system......
post #20051 of 47718
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Originally Posted by bobmarley421 View Post

Hello looking to purchase a pair of the Rc-70s. Who has the best price on them currently? Thanks.

Vanns has them at $300 off list.... coming in at $799 each
post #20052 of 47718
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Originally Posted by deano86 View Post

I think the RC-mini center channel will work just fine for you...... unless you are trying to fill a very large room with loud levels of sound. Then the mini may not be the best. The RC-30 towers are actually very compact compared to other tower models and will match nicely with it.. Especially if you have a newer receiver with Audyssey and such, matching up different sized speakers becomes much easier. But, I guess I should defer to someone who actually uses the RC-mini center in their system......

Our living room is pretty small to be honest. We sit about 10 feet back from where the speakers would be. I really wish I could just buy three RC-30's and be done with it but I can't move the media cabinet underneath our tv. If I do go the RC-30 route, I would need to jump on a mini quickly as I noticed they are getting harder to find even on ebay. The days of getting a mini center for a reasonable price seem to be gone .

This center channel issue is why I am still considering the Infinity P362's as the center for it is readily available (sale goes off today though so I need to decide). From what I have read though, the RC-30's are a bit better than the Infinity's. Hopefully I will get some more responses. I even thought about running a phantom center and just going 2.1 for the setup. Thanks for the reply by the way. I appreciate it.
post #20053 of 47718
I just got my new RC-50s set up and WOW.

I replaced my left and right RC-10s with the 50s and what a difference. Gave them a test with the movie Ip Man 2 and the 50s kept me at the edge of my seat with the furious blows from the martial arts masters.

The center channel is filled by an RC-10 and it had no problem keeping up. It is sitting on the floor at the moment so it should sound even better once it is brought up to just under the tv and closer to the height of the 50s. It will be a while before I can move it higher, so I'll angle it upwards a bit so it at least points at my head instead of my feet.

I don't have a sub, but the 50s have plenty of bass for my condo living which was my plan. I don't have to go diving for the volume when a bass heavy scene comes on.

Finally, if the RC-LCR or 70s go on super sale I will definitely jump on those after experiencing what Energy speakers can do.
post #20054 of 47718
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Originally Posted by YOTR View Post

I am considering picking up a pair of RC-30's but am concerned about a matching center channel. I will be running a 3.1 setup and know it's hard to find the RC-LCR center (especially at a reasonable price). I know that using the RC-mini as a center is an option but worry the RC-30's will overpower it. If I had space for a third RC-30, I would just use that as my center channel but unfortunately I don't. Can anyone comment on this? I am down to the RC-30's or the Infinity P362's on sale at Crutchfield. I want the RC-30's but if the center is a big issue, I will just go with the P362's. Thanks in advance!

I have a rosenut RC-Mini center flanked by two black ash RC-50s. The RC-Mini replaced a much larger Energy AC-300, and I think it works perfectly and blends very well with RC-50s. Much more attractive (and smaller) than the AC-300 to boot, so the wife is happy.
post #20055 of 47718
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Originally Posted by bch238 View Post

I have a rosenut RC-Mini center flanked by two black ash RC-50s. The RC-Mini replaced a much larger Energy AC-300, and I think it works perfectly and blends very well with RC-50s. Much more attractive (and smaller) than the AC-300 to boot, so the wife is happy.

Thanks for the response! That's good news! My living room is not very big so I was hoping that it would still sound good with the RC-30's. Do you have any dialogue issues when watching movies? I want to find a new black mini center (to match the RC-30's) but they seem to be rare unless I want to pay retail price. I might just go with a rosenut or a used black one on ebay to save some money. My wife just gave me the okay for tower speakers which was shocking. She actually stated that I might as well get them because a pair of bookshelf's with stands will take up the same amount of space (plus she is worried about the kids knocking over the speaker on the stand). I was very happy when she said that . I can only afford to get the speakers and center now (barely) and will have to save up for the subwoofer and receiver. At least it's a start .
post #20056 of 47718
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Originally Posted by YOTR View Post

Our living room is pretty small to be honest. We sit about 10 feet back from where the speakers would be. I really wish I could just buy three RC-30's and be done with it but I can't move the media cabinet underneath our tv. If I do go the RC-30 route, I would need to jump on a mini quickly as I noticed they are getting harder to find even on ebay. The days of getting a mini center for a reasonable price seem to be gone .

This center channel issue is why I am still considering the Infinity P362's as the center for it is readily available (sale goes off today though so I need to decide). From what I have read though, the RC-30's are a bit better than the Infinity's. Hopefully I will get some more responses. I even thought about running a phantom center and just going 2.1 for the setup. Thanks for the reply by the way. I appreciate it.

A few thoughts:

- if you aren't even going to bother with surrounds and just run 3.1, you would probably be fine running a simple stereo 2.1 setup and just not worrying about the the center for now. The RC-30's are great speakers and there is nothing wrong with stereo. A high quality 2.1 setup can sound really, really good! Especially if the speakers will be relatively close together, e.g. flanking a media cabinet only 6' apart. you will get a very convincing center image with a setup like that.

- the P362's are said to sound great, and may be nearly as good sounding as the RC-30's, but the build quality is in a completely different league. If you are the type who values good build quality, the RC-30's are worth the extra. As someone who own's RC's, and has checked out the Infinity's several times in stores, the Infinity Primus have very cheap construction, the RC's are in a totally different league.

- if you DO really want a center, an RC-Mini will do great. Doesn't sound like you are listening at reference level or trying to fill a huge sace.

- the final option is to buy a pair of RC-10's and use one as center, and either sell the other one or keep it around as a spare (or for future surrounds if you expand to 5.1). The RC-10 will be a nearly perfect match.

Basically, I would just jump on this deal for RC-30's and figure out the center channel later. Worst case, you end up running 2.1 for a few months while you keep an eye on ebay for an RC-LCR in your price range.

Another option to consider, if you aren't looking for surrounds, is the Mirage OMD-15 deal at Vann's. It's about twice the price ($1000 delivered for the pair) but these are $2500 speakers on blowout pricing, and the advantage is that their omnipolar design will throw a huge soundstage and compensate a bit for the lack of surrounds..... plus they are higher end speakers with your choice of gorgeous gloss black or rosewood finish (you can't get the rosenut RC-30's nearly anywhere now). If I was shopping for a pair of tower speakers under $1K for a nice stereo setup, those would be very high on my list.
post #20057 of 47718
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

A few thoughts:

- if you aren't even going to bother with surrounds and just run 3.1, you would probably be fine running a simple stereo 2.1 setup and just not worrying about the the center for now. The RC-30's are great speakers and there is nothing wrong with stereo. A high quality 2.1 setup can sound really, really good! Especially if the speakers will be relatively close together, e.g. flanking a media cabinet only 6' apart. you will get a very convincing center image with a setup like that.

- the P362's are said to sound great, and may be nearly as good sounding as the RC-30's, but the build quality is in a completely different league. If you are the type who values good build quality, the RC-30's are worth the extra. As someone who own's RC's, and has checked out the Infinity's several times in stores, the Infinity Primus have very cheap construction, the RC's are in a totally different league.

- if you DO really want a center, an RC-Mini will do great. Doesn't sound like you are listening at reference level or trying to fill a huge sace.

- the final option is to buy a pair of RC-10's and use one as center, and either sell the other one or keep it around as a spare (or for future surrounds if you expand to 5.1). The RC-10 will be a nearly perfect match.

Basically, I would just jump on this deal for RC-30's and figure out the center channel later. Worst case, you end up running 2.1 for a few months while you keep an eye on ebay for an RC-LCR in your price range.

Another option to consider, if you aren't looking for surrounds, is the Mirage OMD-15 deal at Vann's. It's about twice the price ($1000 delivered for the pair) but these are $2500 speakers on blowout pricing, and the advantage is that their omnipolar design will throw a huge soundstage and compensate a bit for the lack of surrounds..... plus they are higher end speakers with your choice of gorgeous gloss black or rosewood finish (you can't get the rosenut RC-30's nearly anywhere now). If I was shopping for a pair of tower speakers under $1K for a nice stereo setup, those would be very high on my list.

Thanks Batpig. I was kind of hoping you would respond as I know you have used the rc mini with the RC-10's before. We have a pretty small living room and really don't have space for a full 5.1 setup. We also have two small children so a 3.1 setup seems like the best option.

I never thought about using a RC-10 for the center. I will consider this also as I could just buy a pair on ebay and just sell the extra one like you stated.

The speakers will be on either side of our media cabinet so they will be within 5-6 feet of each other. I guess I can also just try them as a 2.1 setup and see how they sound. I am mainly concerned about dialogue being clear and understandable during movies. I am currently using a cheap logitech 2.1 setup until I get all of my new gear. Honestly I haven't had any dialogue issues (they are 3 feet apart) which makes me think a 2.1 setup is possible.


So in your opinion, you would just order the RC-30's and wait on the rc mini center? Should I actively try to find a single RC-10 or a RC-LCR before I even consider the rc mini center?

Thanks again!
post #20058 of 47718
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Originally Posted by YOTR View Post

Thanks for the response! That's good news! My living room is not very big so I was hoping that it would still sound good with the RC-30's. Do you have any dialogue issues when watching movies? I want to find a new black mini center (to match the RC-30's) but they seem to be rare unless I want to pay retail price. I might just go with a rosenut or a used black one on ebay to save some money. My wife just gave me the okay for tower speakers which was shocking. She actually stated that I might as well get them because a pair of bookshelf's with stands will take up the same amount of space (plus she is worried about the kids knocking over the speaker on the stand). I was very happy when she said that . I can only afford to get the speakers and center now (barely) and will have to save up for the subwoofer and receiver. At least it's a start .

No dialogue issues. Very clean sound. Obviously, less bass than the AC-300 that it replaced, but tighter sound overall. SACD multi-channel with RC-minis as surrounds also sounds great.
post #20059 of 47718
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Originally Posted by YOTR View Post

Thanks Batpig. I was kind of hoping you would respond as I know you have used the rc mini with the RC-10's before. We have a pretty small living room and really don't have space for a full 5.1 setup. We also have two small children so a 3.1 setup seems like the best option.

I never thought about using a RC-10 for the center. I will consider this also as I could just buy a pair on ebay and just sell the extra one like you stated.

The speakers will be on either side of our media cabinet so they will be within 5-6 feet of each other. I guess I can also just try them as a 2.1 setup and see how they sound. I am mainly concerned about dialogue being clear and understandable during movies. I am currently using a cheap logitech 2.1 setup until I get all of my new gear. Honestly I haven't had any dialogue issues (they are 3 feet apart) which makes me think a 2.1 setup is possible.


So in your opinion, you would just order the RC-30's and wait on the rc mini center? Should I actively try to find a single RC-10 or a RC-LCR before I even consider the rc mini center?

Thanks again!

If you buy a pair of rc10s at the sale prices, i'd be willing to buy the other speaker off of you.
post #20060 of 47718
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Originally Posted by bch238 View Post

No dialogue issues. Very clean sound. Obviously, less bass than the AC-300 that it replaced, but tighter sound overall. SACD multi-channel with RC-minis as surrounds also sounds great.

Was the AC-300 a good match with your RC speakers? I know the size of the center didn't please your wife but tonally did it work well with your RC-50s? I guess the grill is lighter on the AC-300 also, right?

Besides the lack of bass in the RC mini center would you recommend the AC-300 over the RC mini with the RC towers for someone that didn't have to worry about aesthetics?
post #20061 of 47718
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

Was the AC-300 a good match with your RC speakers? I know the size of the center didn't please your wife but tonally did it work well with your RC-50s? I guess the grill is lighter on the AC-300 also, right?

Besides the lack of bass in the RC mini center would you recommend the AC-300 over the RC mini with the RC towers for someone that didn't have to worry about aesthetics?

I had Connoisseur C-6's (the original Connoisseur series) which blended well for ten years in my living room with the AC-300. The speakers shared the same drivers, or at least the same tweeter.

When I upgraded to the RC-50s, the AC-300 did not blend as well; it actually sounded a little muddy compared to to the new floorstanders. I very much prefer the RC-mini center to the AC-300.

I'm not really sure that I am sold on the "larger is better" for center channel, anyway. It seems more important to match the treble (tweeters) and mid-range drivers, which is where dialogue reproduction resides. Lack of bass is really not too important for a center, I think, since it can be provided by larger towers (the RC-50s serve the purposes in my system) or by a sub (which I have never owned).

I'm more a music-oriented person, though, so YMMV. At the end of the day, I'm really impressed how Diana Krall sounds on SACD M/C through the RC-Mini Center. And I never feel the center is "overpowered" by the RC-50s.
post #20062 of 47718
Also, about the AC-300 grill.

The AC-300 has no grill, per se. The speaker consists of a large black box, with two drivers flanking a tweeter. The speaker is encased in a "tube" of black speaker cloth. The open ends of the "tube" tie at both ends of the speaker with a white draw cord, which are covered at either end with two removable hi-gloss black end-caps.
post #20063 of 47718
Okay, thanks for the info on the AC-300. I have RC-10s and RC mini center and I love the center. Very nice clear dialogue. Since mine is a bedroom setup, I don't need anything bigger than a RC mini center.
post #20064 of 47718
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Originally Posted by bch238 View Post

No dialogue issues. Very clean sound. Obviously, less bass than the AC-300 that it replaced, but tighter sound overall. SACD multi-channel with RC-minis as surrounds also sounds great.

That's good to know . I did find a mint condition black rc mini center for a decent price (not the old Vanns prices but definitely below msrp) that I might bite on. If I can't get it, I found a brand new rosenut rc mini below msrp that I can also purchase. I wish the color matched the RC-30's but at least I have another option.
post #20065 of 47718
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

Okay, thanks for the info on the AC-300. I have RC-10s and RC mini center and I love the center. Very nice clear dialogue. Since mine is a bedroom setup, I don't need anything bigger than a RC mini center.

That's good to hear. As I stated a few posts above, my living room is definitely on the small side so I think I will be okay with a mini in the setup. I really only have the funds to get the RC-30's right now but I am also going to go ahead and pick up an rc mini center. The stock is getting really low and they are really starting to get hard to find new, let alone used for a reasonable price. I still might go down the path of a single RC-10 for the center but honestly don't like the idea of standing it up on my media cabinet. I do like that the mini is small compared to most center channels available (I'm looking at you RC-LCR, lol).
post #20066 of 47718
People have actually been placing the RC-10 on its side as a center and said it works very well. its been several pages ago in the thread so it would take a while to find the post.
post #20067 of 47718
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

People have actually been placing the RC-10 on its side as a center and said it works very well. its been several pages ago in the thread so it would take a while to find the post.

Good to know and something to consider. It's unfortunate that you can't get a single RC10 anymore. They have a couple of pairs listed on ebay but then you have to sell the other one down the road. I guess that will be the only option if I decide to pick one up. I am leaning toward the rc mini center but it's good to know I have another option.
post #20068 of 47718
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Originally Posted by subiefast View Post

If you buy a pair of rc10s at the sale prices, i'd be willing to buy the other speaker off of you.

I will definitely keep that in mind if I go that route.
post #20069 of 47718
I have an Energy Encore 6 system I bought 7 years ago and just updated my receiver to a Pioneer 1020 while I was upgrading everything for 3D. The 3D is spectacular btw. I'm not much of an audiophile, but my friend who is, was here today and he suggested getting a couple of midrange speakers to flesh out the sound. My room is about 18'x18', and I have a little room next to the tv that could accommodate 2 speakers on stands. I'm open to any suggestions though. I'm attaching a pic if that helps.
LL
post #20070 of 47718
jp licks,

i replaced my c-100s with rc-30s. my test kung fu film was "14 blades" http://www.dddhouse.com/v3/product_d...roductID=10702
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