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post #21001 of 47711
9/14/10 at 3:47pm
You can always listen to the new Veritas later but you wont get a price like you will on the current RC models at closeout.
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post #21002 of 47711
9/14/10 at 3:57pm
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you are a perfect candidate for Denon 590 or 1610 (twin models). They are solid 5.1 units with Audyssey Dynamic Volume, and will really provide great sound at the moderate volumes you prefer after running Audyssey. Dynamic Volume is a marriage saver

Since you don't need 3D, better to hunt around for a good deal on one of these models (under $300 easy) rather then spending extra on the brand-new model which supports 3D. Amazon is showing that Electronics-Expo (an authorized dealer) has 1610 in stock still for $265.

No need to spend $500 on a receiver with your speakers and preferences; get a $300 receiver with Audyssey MultEQ + Dynamic Volume, and spend the difference on a small subwoofer and enjoy

Thanks so much for all your help. Im sure this forum has helped me get more for my money than I could have every hoped to get otherwise. In will research this model. Thanks a lot.
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post #21003 of 47711
9/14/10 at 4:17pm
If I like the CB-20s is it a guarantee that I'll love the RC-10s? I still have 2 weeks left for my return of my CB-20s to BB and there are some RC-10s popping up used, too bad I missed the Vanns last sale of them. I haven't heard them at all, so I'm wondering if I find one used should I just pull the trigger.
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post #21004 of 47711
9/14/10 at 5:08pm
I went over to my friends house to take a look at his RC-30's. I have the black ash ones and he has the rosenut color. Wow, rosenut looks amazing on the RC-30's. I thought mine looked pretty good but that was before I saw the rosenut color in person . Good thing they still sound the same, lol. So now it has me considering the 3 rosenut rc mini's again. I really like the color quite a bit more than the black gloss but I worry I will be sacrificing the center by going with the bookshelf instead of the actual center. Anyone want to sway me? The vanns sale goes off in a few hours so I have to decide. I haven't heard back from the seller regarding my offer so that might not happen regardless. If I wait until after the vanns sale and the seller declines my offer, then I might be out of luck either way. I love out indecisive I am .

If I could find some way to make 3 rc mini center's work in my setup, I would just do that. Mounting on the wall is not something I really want to do and I can't imagine them being very stable on a speaker standing up vertically (plus little kids running around ). I could always buy 2 center channel speaker stands (28" ones I assume) but that would be pretty wide compared to having just two regular ones. I thought about laying all three of them down but that would take up quite a bit of space and probably mean they wouldn't be spaced apart by much.
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post #21005 of 47711
9/14/10 at 5:10pm
For those jumping on the RC-Mini's from Vanns..sign up for a Mr Rebates account and link through for another 3% off.
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post #21006 of 47711
9/14/10 at 5:35pm
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If I like the CB-20s is it a guarantee that I'll love the RC-10s? I still have 2 weeks left for my return of my CB-20s to BB and there are some RC-10s popping up used, too bad I missed the Vanns last sale of them. I haven't heard them at all, so I'm wondering if I find one used should I just pull the trigger.

Didn't anyone ever tell you that there are no guarantees in love?

I hesitate to comment on a speaker I've never heard, but I have heard both the RC-10s and the CF-50s (which are the big, floor standing brothers of the CB-20s). I much prefer the sound of the RC-10s to the CF-50s - by a very wide margin.
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post #21007 of 47711
9/14/10 at 8:18pm
Any idea when Vanns is getting those RC-Rs in? They are discounted plus not shipping or sales tax. Says on order but it's been like that for weeks.
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post #21008 of 47711
9/14/10 at 8:39pm
Deano. Did you get my reply to your pm? Sometimes i am not sure if i am doing things correctly.I found your mail in my junk folder. I sent a few pictures showing my setup. The wall is hinged on one side like a big steel door. It opens for storage and equipment and when closed everthing is out of site. The space behind is aircondtiond to keep equipment cool. The center has a location that will acept a 24 wide speaker with 20 clear at the grill
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post #21009 of 47711
9/14/10 at 8:43pm
I looked at the cb-5's today that I ordered for my parents. Wow they are pretty cool looking in person. Much larger than their Take Classics. Pretty hefty too. I was surprised how much larger they were. I am looking forward to hearing them.
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post #21010 of 47711
9/14/10 at 11:30pm
Yeah, when the CB-5 comes on sale for under $100/pr and its predecessor C-50 was discounted even less than that we always recommend people get those over the Take Classics. Its a much bigger speaker and can fill a room better than the Classics. The RC-Minis though are better than the C-50 or CB-5. They cost more too.
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post #21011 of 47711
9/15/10 at 7:37am
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actually it sounds like you have the OPPOSITE issue

assuming your calibration is correct, you are probably just not used to hearing the proper surround balance. Dynamic EQ (not Dynamic Audio) is what I was referring to above when I mentioned the new technologies that keep the surrounds / bass stable even at lower volumes. As the volume drops, Dynamic EQ pumps up the bass / surround levels to keep things sounding rich and full at any volume.

Dynamic Volume "layers" on top of Dynamic EQ to compress swings in volume. The strongest "midnight" mode compresses things a lot, so the soft sounds get louder and the loud sounds get softer... which is why it probably feels like the surrounds are even louder in this mode. The softer ambient sounds get "lifted" to be more audible, just like the loud explosions get suppressed to keep you from jumping for the remote.

The reason that changing the PS3 to "MultiCH DIRECT" avoids this is that DIRECT mode defeats all processing, including Audyssey Dynamic EQ.

Anyway, it is very common to hear this issue with TV and video games, because Dynamic EQ is calibrated for movies which are mixed at a known "reference level". TV and video games are often mixed at different levels, so the compensation applied by Dynamic EQ may not be appropriate for that content. The first thing you should do is use the "Reference Level Offset" parameter, which adjusts how strongly Dynamic EQ is boosting the bass/surrounds. Go into the OSD, then PARAMETERS > AUDYSSEY SETTINGS, and set the "Offset" to 10 or even 15dB.

Try watching TV at "Evening" or "Midnight" mode but with the offset set to 10dB. For some video games, you may need to set the offset all the way to 15dB.

Batpig, you were right again. I have been super busy so I didn't have a chance to try out setting the "offset" to 10 and 15, for a while. 15 was perfect for Modern Warefare 2 (MW2). When a helicopter flew overhead, it transitioned seamlessly to the rears (that has been my test for that game)

I think I am going to work with the presets or get a harmony remote and set presets -
games - ps3 - offset 15
movies - ps3 - offset 5
movies - mac - offset 0

The girlfriend was out of town so I had a chance to play MW2 in Day mode, and loud. It sounded incredible with and offset of 15. I was most impressed. Thanks! I am almost finished tinkering with the system and getting it exactly where I want it. My RC-30's and RC-10's sound awesome.
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post #21012 of 47711
9/15/10 at 10:41am
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what are your current speakers that you would be "upgrading" from? how big is the room?

a lot will depend on listening habits.... for HT, the deeper bass of a dedicated subwoofer will provide that "depth" and "envelopment" of low freq effects that give the soundtrack weight, oomph, whatever you want to call it. For music, some people prefer to run two speakers full range, and the deepest (sub 40Hz) bass isn't as much of an issue...

For the room in question it currently has a Denon 790, two RC Minis for fronts and a Mirage Omni s8 Sub. Eventually the entire setup would go to 5.0 or 5.1. room is roughly 19X13. This will never be a fill it up audiophile room, rather looking to extract every single iota of sound quality, flexibility and aesthetics (not to mention ease of use as the kids use this TV)...all arrayed against budget

I am pretty sure the CC will be the mini CC. The real question is whether to do more minis, RC10, or the RC 30 for the fronts. As I said, this a multi use room (with movies well below TV and music listening, but still there nonetheless). There are the other factors of cost and aesthetics, i.e. do I want to hang front speakers versus having reasonable sized towers, if I buy the RC 10 i porbably need to get stands as well, potentially challenging issues with rear placements, a PB furniture piece doubling as a stand that has some soundstage width limitations (unless fronts are wall hung, window isses as well). This is a dump I am sure, but may help facilitate a dialogue and I can provide details, pics, etc as needed
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post #21013 of 47711
9/15/10 at 11:15am
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For the room in question it currently has a Denon 790, two RC Minis for fronts and a Mirage Omni s8 Sub. Eventually the entire setup would go to 5.0 or 5.1. room is roughly 19X13. This will never be a fill it up audiophile room, rather looking to extract every single iota of sound quality, flexibility and aesthetics (not to mention ease of use as the kids use this TV)...all arrayed against budget

I am pretty sure the CC will be the mini CC. The real question is whether to do more minis, RC10, or the RC 30 for the fronts. As I said, this a multi use room (with movies well below TV and music listening, but still there nonetheless). There are the other factors of cost and aesthetics, i.e. do I want to hang front speakers versus having reasonable sized towers, if I buy the RC 10 i porbably need to get stands as well, potentially challenging issues with rear placements, a PB furniture piece doubling as a stand that has some soundstage width limitations (unless fronts are wall hung, window isses as well). This is a dump I am sure, but may help facilitate a dialogue and I can provide details, pics, etc as needed

IMO unless you're restricted by size or budget bigger speakers are always better. I think there are a number of people here happy using the mini-cc and RC-10's/RC-30's together. It's just a matter of which one suits your needs better. FYI - the RC-10s can be wall mounted if you want to do that.
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post #21014 of 47711
9/15/10 at 11:48am
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I'm not sure you could get a brand-new pair even if you killed someone I have, very rarely, seen a "new in box" Veritas speaker pop up on ebay..

you're right

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they do pop up on the used market all the time, so you shouldn't have a problem tracking down a pair of V2.3i or V2.4i in SoCal with some patience. I would be very curious how you think they stack up to your MA Golds.....

yeah, I've seen a few listings here and there on AudioGone, although I'm too paranoid of buying used audio gear, especially speakers.

I'd be very curious to compare Monitor Audio GS-60's to v2.3i or v2.4i's as well.

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I am always tempted every time I see an ad for used V2.1 or V2.2 speakers, I've always wanted to know how much better the "flagship" Energy product is than my RC-10's

me too.

It's interesting because I was reading a review/article (from 2006), the author states:
"The new Reference Connoisseur line (designed in Canada but manufactured, like so many speakers these days, in China) is one step down from Energy's flagship range, the newest Veritas models. But it's a significantly bigger step down in price than in performance"
http://www.ultimateavmag.com/speakersystems/306energy/

I assume his statement is implying that the RC-Series line, while very-well designed and priced, performed slightly less as well overall as the latest Veritas models of the day. Although he does'nt go into any details or actual comparison comments.

I've found that review/articles on Energy RC-Series product between 2006 - 2007 reflect a most prolific moment in time for Energy Speaker Systems (API). A time when a collection of new Energy product releases hit the stores, including RC-Series, RC-Mini, and C-Series. However, at the same time, the manufacturer itself was being aquired by Klipsch Group (Aug. 15, 2006), Energy chief product designer John Tchilinguirian (and others) left the company. Seems no one was available to elaborate on all those new products at that time (at the Toronto-based operation), nor could Klipsch staff.
http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/energy_rc70.htm
http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/energy_rc10.htm
http://hometheatermag.com/floorloudspeakers/507energy/
http://www.klipsch.com/na-en/news/pr...ional-details/
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post #21015 of 47711
9/15/10 at 12:09pm
WestCoastD,

Just fyi:

Somebody on San Diego Craigslist just listed a pair of Energy Veritas 2.4i (along with center channel and rears) last week, but I think they've sold already.

Also, there has been a listing on Audiogon from somebody in Orange County who has four Energy Veritas 2.4i for sale.

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.....4i-Piano-Glos

You could probably check them out in person before buying, which should allay some of your fears of buying used online.
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post #21016 of 47711
9/15/10 at 3:34pm
So much for the RC mini one day sale....
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it..._c=site_search

Looks like this might be the new clearance price at least until the end of the month.
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post #21017 of 47711
9/15/10 at 5:07pm
WestCoastD,

I have a pair of 2.3i that I'm willing to let go. It has been in my bedroom and I havent used it since my daughter was born. It is in excellent condition, w/ the protective plastic film still on. Let me know if you are interested. I'm located by the Beverly Center.
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post #21018 of 47711
9/15/10 at 11:50pm
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I have a pair of 2.3i that I'm willing to let go. It has been in my bedroom and I havent used it since my daughter was born. It is in excellent condition, w/ the protective plastic film still on. Let me know if you are interested. I'm located by the Beverly Center.

very intriguing. Actually I go over to Cedars Sinai quite often. What are you using to power them with?
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post #21019 of 47711
9/15/10 at 11:53pm
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Originally Posted by beaveav View Post

there has been a listing on Audiogon from somebody in Orange County who has four Energy Veritas 2.4i for sale.

You could probably check them out in person before buying, which should allay some of your fears of buying used online.

thanks for the heads-up
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post #21020 of 47711
9/16/10 at 8:41am
Nice package deal on 4 RC Minis, 1 RC Mini Center and ESW-8 subwoofer.

With the package discount you're basically paying $30 for the subwoofer.

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it...rgy-rc-mini-cc
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post #21021 of 47711
9/16/10 at 10:20am
I have a RC-Mini CC in rosenut for sale for $100 if anyone is intrested. I have original box and purchased speaker only 2 weeks ago. Pm me if your intrested. Thanks
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post #21022 of 47711
9/16/10 at 10:22am
I need some advice. I am coming from a sony soundbar and am considering going for the vanns deal on the RC mini's. I would just be doing a 3.1 setup with two RC Mini's and a RC Mini Center along with a Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Compact subwoofer that I recently picked up during their sale. I also have a yamaha receiver that I just picked up during a newegg sale (model 765). I have kids and would like something that sounds good but doesn't dominate the room. I would also like to be able to crank it up if I want to listen to music or watch a movie (not super loud but I don't want to be limited if the rc mini can't handle it). We rarely have it up very loud but at times it would be nice to crank it up when I playing a game or if I am watching football. Would the RC mini's be a good fit for me? Our living room is on the small size and even the sony soundbar sounded pretty good (loud even if we chose to turn it up).
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post #21023 of 47711
9/16/10 at 10:40am
you will be happy the RC-Mini / LFM-1 setup will absolutely crush the old Sony soundbar, so if you thought it sounded good before......

guaranteed the RC-Mini's can "crank" much louder than the soundbar. They have awesome build quality and power handling for the size, these aren't chintzy plastic satellites with cheap drivers.
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post #21024 of 47711
9/16/10 at 11:05am
I jumped on the RC-Mini's and CC from Vann's...should be here early next week, can't wait!! Replacing a 10 year old hand me down Bose Acoustimass system!

But I'm still looking for a sub, I'm curious what sub some of you guys are running with your current setup and would recommend? My budget is $300...

I missed that package deal by a day or two...should I call Vanns back? or look for a better sub?
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post #21025 of 47711
9/16/10 at 11:07am
definitely get a better sub, the ESW-C8 packaged with them isn't too hot. $300 will get you a LOT more sub.

how big is your room?? are you going to listen loud? listening habits? e.g. are you looking for deep bass for movies, or tighter / smoother bass for music?
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post #21026 of 47711
9/16/10 at 11:21am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

definitely get a better sub, the ESW-C8 packaged with them isn't too hot. $300 will get you a LOT more sub.

how big is your room?? are you going to listen loud? listening habits? e.g. are you looking for deep bass for movies, or tighter / smoother bass for music?

Sorry batpig...I've read enough threads to know that I should have included that info!
Room is 16x16 with 10ft ceiling actual listening area is about 9x12. Listening break down - TV 30%, Movies 20%, Games 30% and Music 10%. If I had my way I would listen some what loud during gaming and while watching movies but trying to remain somewhat wife friendly hence the smaller RC-Mini choices.
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post #21027 of 47711
9/16/10 at 11:34am
I think at the $300 price point, with your room size I would go with the Emo Ultra 10. Small footprint, as a sealed sub it should be very tight and accurate, with plenty of output for your room: http://emotiva.com/ultra_sub10.shtm
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post #21028 of 47711
9/16/10 at 11:40am
TheStick

You won't be disappointed with the RC-Mini's. I used them for watching movies and playing COD MW2 in my PS3 and I like playing them loud even late at night.
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post #21029 of 47711
9/16/10 at 12:05pm
Thanks batpig!
That brings up a question about sub location currently due to the room setup it would be up front near the bookshelves but only about 6 inches from the wall. I know a ported sub near a wall will cause some boominess (sp?) but what about a sealed sub?

Thanks Audio FNG! I can't wait to get them setup, I'm sure this will destroy the old bose system! I have not actually heard the RC-Mini's but have heard the CB-5's, 10's and Take Classic and liked all of those so can only imagine things would be better with the Mini's.
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post #21030 of 47711
9/16/10 at 12:35pm
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definitely get a better sub, the ESW-C8 packaged with them isn't too hot. $300 will get you a LOT more sub.

how big is your room?? are you going to listen loud? listening habits? e.g. are you looking for deep bass for movies, or tighter / smoother bass for music?

The sub in the RC Mini package isn't great but for $30 its very good! You can always sell the ESW-C8 sub later for $100 or more when you want a better one.

And who knows, for the less demanding people the 8" sub may be fine.
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