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post #22651 of 51502
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i like -5db from reference which is 117db at the 1 meter

that is FALSE

seems like you are ignoring me? care to explain your math?

reference = 105dB MAX per channel (115dB for LFE)

at -5dB your speakers will probably never cross 110dB even after accounting for distance
post #22652 of 51502
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Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post

Ha, I am thinking of the rc-50's.

I like -5dB from reference which is 117dB at the 1 meter

Regardless, I've had both 70's and 50's and both are loud!
post #22653 of 51502
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

that is FALSE

seems like you are ignoring me? care to explain your math?

reference = 105dB MAX per channel (115dB for LFE)

at -5dB your speakers will probably never cross 110dB even after accounting for distance

Everything I read said 116...

Sorry man.

Maybe I should get the rc-50's then. I'm just torn, get an rc-50 for a center that is ideal for now or wait till I get a projector and get a rc-lcr.

Think it's safest to just get 2 rc-50's and wait and see what happens?
post #22654 of 51502
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Originally Posted by sachinj View Post

Such great deals on the RC-Rs. First on woot for $125 and now on Buy.com for $140. This really hurts, as I bought RC-Rs from Buy.com for $190 each just end of October. Had to even pay tax as I live in CA .

Ya, I too grabbed them at that price.... seeing as how at that time, that was by far the best price for new RC-Rs. I suppose being past 30 days, that Buy.com will not price protect? I will have to check just in case
post #22655 of 51502
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Originally Posted by deano86 View Post

Ya, I too grabbed them at that price.... seeing as how at that time, that was by far the best price for new RC-Rs. I suppose being past 30 days, that Buy.com will not price protect? I will have to check just in case

I checked on their website for the price protection and it looks like it is valid within 30 days. But no harm calling them and trying to get back the $100 difference for the pair.
post #22656 of 51502
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Originally Posted by sachinj View Post

I checked on their website for the price protection and it looks like it is valid within 30 days. But no harm calling them and trying to get back the $100 difference for the pair.

Now you tell me! I paid $190 plus Tax on 11/2.
post #22657 of 51502
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Originally Posted by sachinj View Post

I checked on their website for the price protection and it looks like it is valid within 30 days. But no harm calling them and trying to get back the $100 difference for the pair.

No dice. The rep I talked to said it was only for 14 days?, but like you, I thought that it appears on the site fine print that 30 days is the time frame. I am past 45, so I really had no chance, but it never hurts to check! Oh well, I was thrilled at the time just to get them for the $190/free shipping. Anybody looking for surrounds should definitely jump on this deal for $140 though....
post #22658 of 51502
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Originally Posted by deano86 View Post

Anybody looking for surrounds should definitely jump on this deal for $140 though....

Thank You Captain Obvious.

I grabbed a couple pairs at that price.

Now if a bunch of RC-LCR's could magically show up at clearance prices I would be a very happy man. Never thought Vann's would have got so many RC-10's, and now with the RCR's at Buy.com- who knows what's out there.
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Originally Posted by buddycat View Post

Thank You Captain Obvious.

Now if a bunch of RC-LCR's could magically show up at clearance prices I will be a happy man.

Where have you been the last couple of weeks! Inspector Clouseau!
post #22660 of 51502
Okay, here is my setup. It still needs work. Let me know how I should do the rear speakers.

Pics are taken in order from left to right. I will post 1 more post with the final + where my sub is hiding.
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Pics didn't attach. Here they are -

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And the final one.

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then the hsu vtf1 hiding spot.

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post #22663 of 51502
Well, is moving the couch forward an option? That would also create another path for people accessing the far side of the couch. And making viewing the tv a little better.
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Room size 15 deep x 17 wide w/ one of the side walls a half wall going up to the kitchen.

I have been tempted to move the couch forward before. I have been trying to sell that one to the g/f with no success yet.
post #22665 of 51502
Without being there in person it would be hard for me to tell if moving the couch forward would work or not. But from the pictures, to me, it seems like that is one of the first obvious options to improving the sound for the surrounds. I think you should at least move the couch just to see what it would feel like / see if it works space wise.

Just going with my first gut instinct / reaction from your pics. I'm not the guy for other advice though.
post #22666 of 51502
Hi, I have a question about what to set my a/v reciever setting to.
for the speaker impedence i have a 4 ohm to 6 ohm setting, and a setting, when the speaker impedence is between 6 and 16 ohms. I have 3 rc-70 and two rc-10's, and off of the official energy website, the specs say they do 8 ohms nominal and 4 ohms minimum.
so do i set my a/v reciever setting for 4 ohms or 6 to 16 ohms?
post #22667 of 51502
6-16 ohms...
post #22668 of 51502
Is non-matching wides a big deal?

I have my old JBL 8340's (the old cinema speakers) thats I planned to use as sides. I hang them high and far from the listening position and the 8340a's I had before were able to give a nice and wide but nicely directional sound.

I know matching front/sides isn't vital but I did try an all jbl setup once with 8340's in the front and 8340a's in the rear and I did see the benefit of a tonal match.

Considering that I want to hit high volumes, would the much more sensitive JBL's be a decent match to rc-50's?
post #22669 of 51502
So I've got the RC-10 on the side of the couch thing going on. I actually have a corner configuration for the tv. I can flip my couch around so it's parallel to the tv if I'm going to get serious about watching tv but mostly it's against the wall at an angle. Since I have two different viewing positions I'm wondering if the RC-R's would be worth picking up. I don't know what dipole and all that means but if I can wall mount them are they not super directional like the RC-10's? I'm piecing together that they don't have to be pointed at your ears to get good sound. Am I right about that? I'll post some pics so you can see what I'm talking about.
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So the Fuscia squares indicate potential rc-r placement. The downward pointing arrow indicates where the couch normally resides but you can see I reposition occasionally. I've considered wall mounting the rc10's but would having the rcr's up there pretty much sound the same in either couch position? Considering their potential nondirectionality or am I off base?
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post #22671 of 51502
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Originally Posted by PS3 Lagerman View Post
Room size 15 deep x 17 wide w/ one of the side walls a half wall going up to the kitchen.

I have been tempted to move the couch forward before. I have been trying to sell that one to the g/f with no success yet.
If your couch has to stay where it's at, then mount your surrounds high on the walls. Or for a much better diffuse surround effect, swap them with some RC-Rs....
post #22672 of 51502
I ran the couch forward idea by the g/f and it didn't go over well. I might be able to move it a foot forward. I don't think that would be enough though.

What about hanging them from the ceiling? In the corner of the room on my right and in front of the window on my left.

Anyone have an estimate on when the RCR's will sell out?
post #22673 of 51502
OK Batpig...you seriously got me thinking about this whole 11.2 setup, and after looking at audesseys website about the DSX setup, it looks pretty badass...now an opinion about speakers for the fronts.

I have the RC-70s for L/C/R, would it be worth it getting 2 more RC-70s for the LW and RW and using RC-LCRs for the HL and HR? OR using RC-LCRs for the wides and highs?

Sounds like a crazy setup, but it really sounds like it is really immersive. Where did you hear this setup in person?
post #22674 of 51502
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Originally Posted by PS3 Lagerman View Post
I ran the couch forward idea by the g/f and it didn't go over well. I might be able to move it a foot forward. I don't think that would be enough though.

What about hanging them from the ceiling? In the corner of the room on my right and in front of the window on my left.

Anyone have an estimate on when the RCR's will sell out?
after looking at the photos, if I was in your position I would snap up a pair of RC-R's right now. Mount them on the wall behind the couch, a few feet up and spread out as far as you can. Set them to bipole and enjoy.

If you are going to keep the RC-10's, the only option I could think of would be ceiling mounting them up high.. but it just seems to me if you're going to all that trouble, might as well get the speaker that is designed to be wall-mounted without such gyrations.

The reason most used RC-10's as surrounds is because they were so much cheaper than RC-R's, but the RC-R is far more versatile, will mount flush to the wall, and the bipole/dipole options make it much more suitable to "difficult" placement problems like yours.

that's my take
post #22675 of 51502
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Originally Posted by m4tr1x View Post
OK Batpig...you seriously got me thinking about this whole 11.2 setup, and after looking at audesseys website about the DSX setup, it looks pretty badass...now an opinion about speakers for the fronts.

I have the RC-70s for L/C/R, would it be worth it getting 2 more RC-70s for the LW and RW and using RC-LCRs for the HL and HR? OR using RC-LCRs for the wides and highs?

Sounds like a crazy setup, but it really sounds like it is really immersive. Where did you hear this setup in person?
dude, it's always my fault!? I have never even heard a full 11.2 setup!

It's PoshFrosh's fault, he went from digging speakers out of the dumpster to all 11.2 Audyssey DSX with an AVR 4311ci !! Most of what I know is feedback from others in the Denon 4810 and now 4311 owner's threads.

Anyway, I helped install a 4311ci recently so finally got to hear DSX in action. The guy had a 5.1 setup, which I set up initially... and then a bit later he added new front L/C/R speakers and moved the old L/R speakers to wide, plus added another sub. So I got to hear the Audyssey-calibrated before/after extensively, and let me tell you, Audyssey's research conclusions that the "Wide" speakers make the most dramatic impact (beyond 5.1) are true! The wraparound, immersion effect with action movies is ridiculously cool.

Now this guy is blessed with a large living room that really has the space to position the speakers properly -- plus well over $6K in speakers/subwoofers -- so it won't work that well in every room. but if you have room to accomodate it, the difference is breathtaking. Crank up the battlescenes at the end of "Return of the King" and you will be a believer. I walked over to the wide speakers several times and was amazed at how much content was coming out of them -- it ain't just ambient noise!

Unfortunately wides are totally impossible in my little townhouse living room but if I had carte blanch with a nice sized room, and was serious about creating a dedicated home theater (as opposed to a casual, moderate volume living room setup for cable TV viewing) there is no question I would start at 7.x with wides and go from there. It makes it feel so much more like a theater, with the sound wrapped around you more seamlessly (because you don't have that hole to either side between the mains and surrounds).

So anyhoo..... if you actually have the room to accomodate it, and the money to afford it, I think a setup of RC-70's as mains AND wides would be freaking ridiculously cool. Definitely a bit of overkill, the RC-50's or stand-mounted RC-LCR's or even RC-10's would do just fine as well, but overkill can certainly be fun! All depends on your proclivities and budget... but if you have the space and want to take it to the next level, it's a great add-on.

RC-LCR's would be overkill for heights, and what a pain to mount something that big up high!! RC-10's or RC-R's would be plenty. By all accounts, the "height" speakers get much less content and are far more of a subtle upgrade.

BTW - I found DSX to be nearly as cool with music. The concept of the wides was derived from the acoustics of big concert halls, where you get those sidewall reflections that create the spaciousness (which is known as "auditory source width") and feeling of "huge" sound. I did a little A/B testing with some music, mixed up to 5.1 with PLII Music, and then turned DSX wides on/off. They really do add an extra feeling of spaciouness... the individual speakers disappear more, it becomes a much more cohesive "wall of sound".
post #22676 of 51502
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post
The reason most used RC-10's as surrounds is because they were so much cheaper than RC-R's, but the RC-R is far more versatile, will mount flush to the wall, and the bipole/dipole options make it much more suitable to "difficult" placement problems like yours.

that's my take
Thanks again guys.

To the left of the couch is the door, then the half room going up to the kitchen. Will the left RCR be able to bounce any sound off of the half wall? I am assuming the right wall will get more of the diffused effect than the left. Is that true?
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Today I add to my 5X RC-30 5.1 set up with 2 x RC-R speakers on sale today at Buy.com for $139.00 ea. I really had no intention to add additional speakers to my system but my fingers ordered the pair when I was distracted. This is 60% off. Fire Sale anyone?

I have a brand new Onkyo TR-808 receiver delivered last night which will power my 4 RC-30's and RC-LCR. My question is what is the best way to set up the 7.1 system using the new sound features of that reciever. I have 3 options... Surround BACK, Front HIGH, or Front Wide? Also, how should I arrange the speakers ie which ones for the normal back surround and which ones for the new 7.1 channel? I currently use a pair of RC-30's for the rear surround.

Thank you for any input..
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post #22678 of 51502
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

this is the problem with the "surrounds to either side of the couch" setup, it's OK if you're all alone and in the center of the couch but a big problem if somebody has to sit to either side.

It's hard to say what you should do without knowing your room, but definitely try and get not only more elevation, but also more spacing between you and the surrounds. If you can spread them out so they are higher and also further away, you will get a much more seamless surround effect.

Somebody posted a bit back with photos of their ceiling mounted RC-10's for surrounds. It looked really nice... if you have no ability to wall-mount or spread them out further, I would look into that.




bipoles/dipoles DEFINITELY work better for surrounds if you are stuck having them close to your ears. The whole point of these speakers it to make the sound more diffuse and to minimize the direct sound firing into your ears. If you are able to achieve 6+ ft of separation from the listeners, then it lessens the need for non-monopole speakers.

If I had to have my surrounds to either side of the couch, I would probably go with a pair of Mirage omnipolars (e.g. OMD-5) to either side so the sound is more diffuse....


Not sure if it was mine yuo were talking about, but figure post a link to help if so.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...ostcount=21697
post #22679 of 51502
While we're on the subject of placement-- I just received my LCR. My previous center had a rounded side, so was angled up toward the listener a bit. The LCR is in the same spot, about 10 1/2 inches off the ground, but facing straight out. How much benefit do you think there would be to wall-mounting my TV and placing the LCR where the TV is (about 20 inches off the ground)?

Re-ran MCACC after getting the LCR and it came back with some interesting changes to the whole setup.
post #22680 of 51502
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Originally Posted by automaton View Post

While we're on the subject of placement-- I just received my LCR. My previous center had a rounded side, so was angled up toward the listener a but. The LCR is in the same spot, about 10 1/2 inches off the ground, but facing straight out. How much benefit do you think there would be to wall-mounting my TV and placing the LCR where the TV is (about 20 inches off the ground)?

Re-ran MCACC after getting the LCR and it came back with some interesting changes to the whole setup.

At minimum you should angle the LCR so it is facing ear level. That might help enough to save you from having to wall mount the TV. Even at 20" height you'd probably want to angle the LCR upwards.
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