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It's quite possible I received a, in continuing efforts to serve the customer better, set of speakers incorrectly wired. Curious how you determined yours are wired correctly? After listening and things sounded very askew I measured them and the resulting impulse response showed them to be wire in negative polarity.
post #23012 of 47731
Would you guys recommend rc 50 or rc 30 on a small basement? About 18 deep and 12 wide with opening on one side. Thanks.
post #23013 of 47731
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Originally Posted by Darrin_R View Post

I'm not sure what you mean. I use an RC10 for the center. I use them for all channels and I still have one in the box.

Any plans to get rid of that single RC-10? It's awfully hard to find a single one for sale.
post #23014 of 47731
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Originally Posted by mj75 View Post

Would you guys recommend rc 50 or rc 30 on a small basement? About 18 deep and 12 wide with opening on one side. Thanks.


The RC-50 if you can afford it. Only $50 more per speaker.
post #23015 of 47731
at this point RC-50 is a NO BRAINER for $50 extra per speaker.
post #23016 of 47731
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Originally Posted by Hughman View Post
It's quite possible I received a, in continuing efforts to serve the customer better, set of speakers incorrectly wired. Curious how you determined yours are wired correctly? After listening and things sounded very askew I measured them and the resulting impulse response showed them to be wire in negative polarity.
I post this only to hurry a response. So I assume you guys are talking out your buts when you say your RC-10's are wired with positive polarity. I don't have all night.
post #23017 of 47731
for one thing, Audyssey never reports a "phase" error for any of my RC speakers, nor have I heard of it happening with the countless other RC owners on this forum who have receivers with modern room EQ that can detect speaker polarity and report an error.

do you really think it's likely that ALL RC-10's are wired with reverse polarity??
post #23018 of 47731
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post
do you really think it's likely that ALL RC-10's are wired with reverse polarity??
My two are, and assumed most others haven't measured there's specifically. Just thought I'd mention it, if you feel comfortable your receivers detectors are providing correct information which corresponds to what you're hearing, go with that.

Do you really think my two RC-10's are the only ones wired in negative polarity?
post #23019 of 47731
Can't trust Audessy for Phase errors. Gotta use a testing disk. Mine says there is a phase error when there really isn't.
post #23020 of 47731
Everyone's quick to put up a wall, filling in the hole behind it not so fast. If you feel my original was not for you then ignore it. Avichayil is on the right track.
post #23021 of 47731
i have a pair of rc 50 tower speakers which ceter out of these two would be a good match rc mini cc or cc10 center cant afford the lcr center for 450 dollars
post #23022 of 47731
I know for sure the RC Mini center matches, don't know about the CC-10. Call the guys at Vanns.com. They sell the RC-50 and both speakers in question, ask them which center would match best.
post #23023 of 47731
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Originally Posted by destiny 21 View Post
i have a pair of rc 50 tower speakers which ceter out of these two would be a good match rc mini cc or cc10 center cant afford the lcr center for 450 dollars
If you were a personal friend, I would be egging you on to buy that RC-LCR if you can find it available somewhere. It's a rarity that isn't worth passing by if you have the RC towers. I would jump on that as soon as possible (work overtime, sell your body, do whatever you can!... kidding... but still).

Anyways, as said above, the rc-mini would be the best match. But having an RC-Mini center in my own house, I would say using your RC-50's to phantom the center would be better than buying anything other than the RC-LCR.

The CC-10 will match decently. It won't be perfect though. It separates sounds a little bit differently than the RC line, and certain sounds come out more in the RC speakers than the CF's (or vice-versa). You'll find in most cases the CC-10 will be fine, however it's not a perfect match.

The problem with the RC-Mini center is that it is too small and matches best with the RC-Mini bookshelf speakers. The problem with the CC-10 is it has a slightly differing sound signature which you may or may not notice.
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Originally Posted by PaulWog View Post


If you were a personal friend, I would be egging you on to buy that RC-LCR if you can find it available somewhere. It's a rarity that isn't worth passing by if you have the RC towers. I would jump on that as soon as possible (work overtime, sell your body, do whatever you can!... kidding... but still).

Anyways, as said above, the rc-mini would be the best match. But having an RC-Mini center in my own house, I would say using your RC-50's to phantom the center would be better than buying anything other than the RC-LCR.

Since you have such a high opinion of the RC-LCR I'm curious to know if you think there is a big difference between the RC-LCR and the RC-10 as a center when using RC-50 fronts.
post #23025 of 47731
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Originally Posted by AlwaysAngryGuy View Post

Since you have such a high opinion of the RC-LCR I'm curious to know if you think there is a big difference between the RC-LCR and the RC-10 as a center when using RC-50 fronts.

I've actually only heard the RC-70, RC-50, RC-LCR, RC-Mini bookshelf, and RC-Mini center. I haven't ever heard the RC-10. I'm not sure whether the RC-10 would be an acceptable center or not (I would guess it'd be decent).
post #23026 of 47731
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Originally Posted by PaulWog View Post

If you were a personal friend, I would be egging you on to buy that RC-LCR if you can find it available somewhere. It's a rarity that isn't worth passing by if you have the RC towers. I would jump on that as soon as possible (work overtime, sell your body, do whatever you can!... kidding... but still).

I did just that (not sell my body... ) but buy the LCR when it wasn't a "smart" idea for me financially simply because I could get it in cherry which I really wanted. Also paid a small premium for the RC-50's in cherry used (which got dinged in shipping) VS the new price... Oh well, thats the price of vanity
post #23027 of 47731
My RC-10s finally arrived. This brings the set to

1 RC-Mini-CC
2 RC-10s
2 RC-Rs
1 Hsu STF-2

all powered by a joke-and-a-half "75 watt" HTIB receiver. It'll never open these speakers up, but in my space, I'll never need it to. I'll get around to replacing it when my wallet recovers.

For the past couple of weeks, I'd been eyeballing the LCR, but after hearing this complete set, I'm not sure I'll bother. Maybe if I can find one for a ridiculously low price.

Also, the port plugs were a godsend. I don't have enough space in my living room to pull the speakers more than about ten inches away from the wall, and at that distance, the RC-10s put out a boomy racket like you wouldn't believe. Plugged 'em and now they behave. Slick.

I am so happy right now.
post #23028 of 47731
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Originally Posted by AlwaysAngryGuy View Post

Since you have such a high opinion of the RC-LCR I'm curious to know if you think there is a big difference between the RC-LCR and the RC-10 as a center when using RC-50 fronts.

I have a pair of RC-10s and a RC LCR center now. I'll tell you those dual drivers in the RC LCR will present deeper bass and fuller sound than the RC -10 ever could. And I love my RC-10s.

As someone said a few pages ago, the RC LCR is the best center Energy makes. It is quite good and would be a better match than a RC-10 center.
post #23029 of 47731
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

I have a pair of RC-10s and a RC LCR center now. I'll tell you those dual drivers in the RC LCR will present deeper bass and fuller sound than the RC -10 ever could. And I love my RC-10s.

As someone said a few pages ago, the RC LCR is the best center Energy makes. It is quite good and would be a better match than a RC-10 center.

That's exactly what I'm looking for. Thanks for your input!

Off to find an LCR.
post #23030 of 47731
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Originally Posted by Hughman View Post
Just a heads up for those mixing and matching speakers with the RC-10. The RC-10 is wired in the opposite polarity than any other speaker I've used therefore if using them with other speakers just reverse the +/- speaker leads and all will be well. Not sure if other RC series speakers are wire similarly but it would be wise to check it out during speaker set-up procedures to ensure all speakers are in phase with each other.
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Originally Posted by Hughman View Post
It's quite possible I received a, in continuing efforts to serve the customer better, set of speakers incorrectly wired. Curious how you determined yours are wired correctly? After listening and things sounded very askew I measured them and the resulting impulse response showed them to be wire in negative polarity.
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Originally Posted by Hughman View Post
I post this only to hurry a response. So I assume you guys are talking out your buts when you say your RC-10's are wired with positive polarity. I don't have all night.
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Originally Posted by Hughman View Post
My two are, and assumed most others haven't measured there's specifically. Just thought I'd mention it, if you feel comfortable your receivers detectors are providing correct information which corresponds to what you're hearing, go with that.

Do you really think my two RC-10's are the only ones wired in negative polarity?
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Originally Posted by Hughman View Post
Everyone's quick to put up a wall, filling in the hole behind it not so fast. If you feel my original was not for you then ignore it. Avichayil is on the right track.
Huh? What are you talking about? I am not familiar with what you are talking about. Are you saying that in this scenario the speakers would obviously sound bad, and you think some are wired wrong and some are not? Would you mind going into more detail as to what you are talking about?
post #23031 of 47731
Its no as good as the Woot deal .. and for ONCE cdns get a decent deal.

RC-70 pair for 999.99 CDN at FUTURESHOP for boxing day.

They claim to have 500 pieces.
post #23032 of 47731
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Originally Posted by clarionguy View Post
Its no as good as the Woot deal .. and for ONCE cdns get a decent deal.

RC-70 pair for 999.99 CDN at FUTURESHOP for boxing day.

They claim to have 500 pieces.
I'd love to get in on that (unfortunately I've already gotten into CF speakers!). Bleh. I was looking at that deal as well.

I just checked their online stock. They claim to have them in (somewhere?). However I checked every store Canada-wide for stock, and every store reads out of stock. Odd. I think it's going to be impossible to get those speakers for most people.

I hope to get the 1325-K Pioneer receiver for the advertised $750 price (however their stock reads not in stock either). This really leads me to believe they will adhere to the 6 stock minimum, and not have any more.
post #23033 of 47731
I just got my RC-mini center to replace my CC-5 and Oh My God, this thing is beautiful. I think it even looks better than my RC-10s. The gloss doesn't look like the cheap gloss on my CB-20s and CC-5. It looks much more expensive and better quality. Quickly A/Bing the RC-mini vs CC-5, the RC is a clear winner. The dialogue sounded muffled on the CC-5 and it wasn't as clear. The RC-mini opened up the vocals so much. It is clear and loud whereas the CC-5 was muffled and low.
post #23034 of 47731
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Originally Posted by mphfrom77 View Post

Huh? What are you talking about? I am not familiar with what you are talking about. Are you saying that in this scenario the speakers would obviously sound bad, and you think some are wired wrong and some are not? Would you mind going into more detail as to what you are talking about?

Uhhh, I think it best to leave well enough alone and not encourage him....
post #23035 of 47731
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Originally Posted by deano86 View Post

Uhhh, I think it best to leave well enough alone and not encourage him....

What does this mean? I offered some objective info based on measurements which I thought some here might find useful, and I'm certain some here will likely find it worthwhile to exploring the issue deeper. Have you performed measurements on your RC-10's or wish to provide some other useful info?
post #23036 of 47731
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Originally Posted by PS3 Lagerman View Post

Has anyone ever taken off the energy emblem from the grills? Both of my RCR grills that came in have crinkled energy decals. I would like to replace them. I wonder if Energy would provide me w/ the stickers.

ALSO, if I remove them, will they leave a bad mark? I was contemplating removing them on my RC-10's and placing them on their sides at center (as Batpig recommended a few posts back)

3rd question - how close can I place a RCR to the wall? The closer to the wall, the further from the listener.

After checking last night, my RC-Rs definitely had a little protective film covering them and are attached with some kind of adhesive.
post #23037 of 47731
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Originally Posted by Hughman View Post

What does this mean? I offered some objective info based on measurements which I thought some here might find useful, and I'm certain some here will likely find it worthwhile to exploring the issue deeper. Have you performed measurements on your RC-10's or wish to provide some other useful info?

Have you contacted Energy tech support and reported your findings? I think they will be very interested to hear about them and then let us know what they said......
post #23038 of 47731
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Originally Posted by deano86 View Post

Have you contacted Energy tech support and reported your findings? I think they will be very interested to hear about them and then let us know what they said......

No, I have no interest in discussing this with Energy. I thought those who use the speakers might find the info useful though. Anyone here could perform an easy test without need for test equipment, connect a 1.5 to 9v battery to the speaker leads, + to red - to black and report back whether the woofer moves in or out.
post #23039 of 47731
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Originally Posted by Hughman View Post

No, I have no interest in discussing this with Energy. I thought those who use the speakers might find the info useful though. Anyone here could perform an easy test without need for test equipment, connect a 1.5 to 9v battery to the speaker leads, + to red - to black and report back whether the woofer moves in or out.

My AVR tells me that all of my speakers are wired correctly. I've heard of Denon's warning of bad polarity when there's nothing wrong, but not the other way around so I see no reason not to trust what my AVR is telling me.
post #23040 of 47731
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Originally Posted by L54 View Post

After checking last night, my RC-Rs definitely had a little protective film covering them and are attached with some kind of adhesive.

I had one of my emblems fall of on the floor. it is just an adhesive. I guess it can't hold its rounded shape of the speaker??
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