Energy Owners Thread - Page 771

Personally, I would definitely jump on the RC-50's and move the RC-10's to the side/rear. I would be buying the 50's if I didnt just but the RC-30's.

I have been quite pleased with the bass on the 30's, so I would imagine the 50's would be a good bit better. But please note that I live on the 2nd floor of a 3 floor condo, so i have a limited amount that I can test the bass.

While I am here, I am upgrading my center C-C50 to the RC mini cc to match the rc-30's better. So I will be looking to sell my c-c50.
http://www.energy-speakers.com/na-en...-c50-overview/
I've had it for about year with pretty minimal use during that time so its in "like new" condition. Let me know if you are interested.

Hmm, if you are indeed planning on expanding them maybe not, but I can give you one guess as to who I would recommend asking haha.

Well I've got a lot of researching to do, just across the board. For example I need to research / learn the science behind the power needed to drive speakers, specifically mine...what's enough and what's too little. That and all the bells and whistles with avr's, like room correction and connectivity and stuff. Apparently the research never ends.

We're all on here for a reason, because we're all addicts. Other people would not understand us, we're all alone in this world.

I was at my Best Buy yesterday to pick up my Denon 1611 and the sales person in Magnolia was referring to the Energy CB-10s as Klispch CB-10s. I was like huh? Then I walked over to the speaker, underneath, it said Klispch CB-10s. Looked like someone whited out the Energy and put Klispch right on top.
I also had to chance to audition the B&W speakers, I forgot which model those were but it ranged from the $450/pair to the $1500/pair. I am glad I chose Energy because as he turned up the volume, those damn speakers were so bright, it near made my ears bleed. I had to turn away because they were so bright and forward. Now to each their own, I just don't like bright speakers. Granted auditioning at Best Buy is not the best place, but those sure seemed bright.

I don't see why the 4311CI would be overkill for a system anchored by a pair of RC-70s? The 4311 offers a lot of functionality, and they certainly make you pay for that functionality, so definitely do your research and make sure that you're not over spending for features you don't want/need, but I don't see any reason to rule out the 4311 as overkill.

I happen to be in a very similar boat to you (mphfrom77), started out not long ago with a 3.0/1 sytem (RC-30 + RC-mini CC), but now thanks to the Woot sale I ended up with a 7.1 system (jumped on the RC-70s, RC-LCR, and RC-minis for front heights).

In part because I now have all these speakers, and in part because I am enjoying the HT "experience" much more than I anticipated, I am shopping for a new receiver as well - planning on delegating my current (less than 3 months old) Yamaha RX-V765 to 2.0/headphone duties with my computer. Anyway, I am rambling so I will get to the point. Here is what I've found so far looking at receivers:

The Denon 4311CI is very feature rich, can do 9.2 out of the box and is expandable via outboard amp to 11.2. Probably the biggest reason to go with the 4311 is if you want to expand to 11.2 down the road. Can do Audyssey DSX heights, wides, and rear surrounds at all the same time. Has all the fanciness of Audyssey MultiEQ XT 32, including the new, more advanced sub equalization that has been getting a really positive reception. Also can be Audyssey Pro enabled ($$$) for professional calibration. Caveat Emptor - check the 4311 thread for current unresolved issues - there is at least one outstanding issue that may require a recall/visit to the service center.

The Denon 3311CI only supports 7.2 channels, even with outboard amps, which is disappointing. "Only" Audyssey MultiEQ XT, but like the 4311 can be Pro enabled. Personally, I've crossed this one off my list as I'd like to be able to run DSX wides + heights in a 9.2 configuration, but it might be worth investigating if you aren't interested in that kind of set up.

The other product line up I'm looking at is the Onkyo 08 series - specifically the 1008, 3008 and, to a lesser extent, the 5008. All three are 9.2 capable out of the box, and AFAIK they only support the 9 channels, even when using external amps. The 3008 and 5008 are both MultiEQ XT32, while the 1008 is only equipped with MultiEQ, despite the previous 1007 model having MultiEQ XT. The Onkyo units have some pretty beefy amplification sections, so much so that you probably won't really see much of a need for an external amp imho. I believe the 3008 actually delivers 140W to each channel (and has 3-4 transformers inside to support it ), as opposed to the usual fudgery that you get from most manufacturers. However, it weighs in at something like 55 LBS, so make sure your furniture can support it

I'm currently considering either the 4311 or 3008, trying to decide if I want to pay the extra $300 to have the option of expanding to 11.2 down the line. Hope you find this information useful.




I'm not a guru of any sorts, but here are a few facts I've picked up along the way that you may find helpful: An increase of 3 dB requires a doubling of the power input. A 10 dB increase in output is twice as loud (EG: 70 dB is twice as loud as 60 dB). The human auditory system has trouble perceiving increases of less than 2 dB. For this reason, the difference between 110 watts and 140 watts is not nearly as big as it seems.

I'm running RC-70's RC-LCR's and RCR's and went with the NR5008. This was after reading the entire 4311 forum and the 5008 forum. The Onkyo forum has way more praise for the sound quality. Seems like the Denon people say it works well and the Onkyo people say it is awesome. I'm just finishing up the high and wide set-up, so haven't heard the 2 together yet. After a lot of thought and listening to high wide and back, I'm pretty sure I will never want to go to 11.2. If I do, well it will be time to buy another, for some other new feature.

What was the deciding factor in the choosing the 5008 over the 3008?

The Amps, Dacs and the power supply.

The high and wide together is awesome. I have discovered music all over again.

Need some advice, I currently own:
3-RC70s (LCR)
4-RCRs (Side and Rear Surround)
2-RC10s
2-LCRS

Originally I was going to do 7.2 in the theater room and use the RC10's and single LCR for the front stage in my living room. Now I'm thinking of using the RC10s as heights and LCRs as wides for 11.2.
Would the LCRs be sufficient as wides or should I pick up 2 more RC70s and sell/return the LCRs (or keep for rear presence)?
How much content do the wides really handl
Do rear presence speakers have a future?
Thanks in advance.

Thanks, kgallerie. I appreciate your thoughts, and I almost purchased the RC50's. I may later regret this, but after reading more of this lengthy thread, I saw pictures of the towers and decided they were too big (aesthetically). I purchased 2 of the RC-Rs from buy.com and now have a 5.0 setup of three RC-10s for the front, and two RC-Rs for the side surround. I'm now looking for a sub.

The budget for the sub is $600 and I have a Denon 1911 and a 22' x 19' x 10' room. What would you guys purchase for a subwoofer in my circumstance?

I would like to know how much content the 'wides' actually handle as well. Once I get my RC70 center this boxing day I will be forced to reconfigure my layout and am going to try 7.2 with DSX wide (yay..RC30's come out of retirement after 1 year and RC10's go into it ).

Also, I may have a black RC-LCR for sale if anyone is looking...

Thanks, kgallerie. I've been reading all day over this thread and seen many pictures. After comparing the towers to the RC10s, I've decided that the RC10s are as large as I want to go for my front stage. I've nixed the idea of the RC50s and purchased two RC-Rs. I now have a 5.0 Energy system with the following setup:

AVR: Denon 1911

Front Left: Energy RC10
Center Channel: Energy RC10
Front Right: Energy RC10
Side Surrounds: Energy RC-R

What does everyone recommend for a subwoofer? I have a $600 budget for a 22' x 19' x 10' room. I'm currently thinking of getting the HSU STF-2. Unfortunately VTF-2 MK-3 is out of my price range when shipping is factored in ($750 shipped. I live in Hawaii). Thanks in advance!

Maxjr is the vtf2 still out of your price range on sale at $509?

To all canadians it looks like there will be some decent prices on energy gear boxing day at fs. I see the rc70s are the best price they've ever been (which another user posted) plus the mini, mini cc and the m6 subwoofer are all priced well too. It says that all energy gear is on sale, so we'll see what other deals pop up.

Are you in the USA or Canada. If you're thinking of returning your RC-LCRs there are a lot of people on here that would love to chat with you first.

You must have a really big room in order to use all those speakers? Where do the wides go in a 11.2 setup? I understand where the front height speakers go but not the wides.

Thanks for all your advice mesasone.



Batpig made a nice post a few days ago, that may help both you guys concerning dsx wides (#22675).http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...s#post19624169


That seems like a really cool Energy 5.0 setup. Congratulations!

I agree with you asking the Energy owners about you subwoofer as they will certainly help (maybe a little difficult with the holidays), but make sure you ask the guys in the subwoofer section, too. Maybe, also, create your own thread in the subwoofer section with all the dimensions and different shipping charges and I bet you may receive excellent advice there as well.

DSX Wides really shocked me with how awesome they were. And they DO get a lot of content, way more than the surrounds. Movies feel like they wrap completely around you; I'm a big believer in more speakers, the more speakers the less your brain is able to pinpoint the source, so the speakers seem to "disappear" more in the wall of sound.

celica604 -- since you already own all the speakers, why don't you try it for yourself? The RC-LCR's will be plenty for "wides" although I cannot deny that 5 RC-70's arrayed across the front would be ridiculously cool

k_40k -- nice to see you around! does your receiver have DSX capability? I suggest slapping the RC-30's out to the sides and trying it ASAP and then report back! with photos of the "family"

I seen Vann's has a 2 different pairs of rc-10's and a lot of mirage subwoofers for sale in their clearance section.http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/clearance/3/27

As riles9262 pointed out FS Canada is offering some decent pricing on Energy speakers. Not US pricing, but pretty darn close.
On another forum (Denon AVR791) batpig offered a suggestion (RVS model)for center to go with my older Energy 4.1e fronts. I have been eyeing the RC Mini center simply because it fits nicely (height wise) into our cabinetry. In fact two of these mini's would fit perfect side by side for centers in our cabinet slot directly below the screen.
So, is that just a stupid thought from drinking to much Xmas cheer, or has anyone done this??
Been looking at CC-10's, but larger units like this would force us to raise the screen over the cabinetry.
FS also has the Klipsch RC62 on sale for a little more than the sale price of the CC-10.
Decisions, decisions...wheres the shortbread!!

RC-10s fo $255/pr is a really good deal, especially since they are very difficult to find now.

Just curious, but is it really worth upgrading RC-50 fronts to RC-70? I figure I can get maybe $500/pr for my RC-50s if I'm lucky (they're Rosewood) and will probably have to shell out at least $800/pr for the RC-70s.

I do enjoy blasting some 2-ch stereo in my theater, so I'm looking at the RC-70 to give me some more punch in the low end.

"Previous customer just wanted something to open and then returned this product to us. Because the box has been opened, you save. Full warranty. "

Too funny.

what are your impressions of the RC50s?
how big of a room are they in?
what is your center channel?

Just curious about those Canadians and their boxing day specials, I live in SoCal, would any Canadian be willing to help me obtain 2 RC_70s? I would really like to discuss this and see if we can work something out! Thanks in advance!

According to people who have had both say the RC-70 is better for 2 channel music because of the midrange driver. Is it worth the extra cost to you? I dunno.

If you can still find RC-70s for $800 pair, consider youself very lucky.

The Rosenut color is the best of the three so that's another factor. I haven't seen Rosenut RC-70s in a very long time. Is that what you're looking at buying?

I am one of the people afrogt is referring to that's owned both RC-50's and RC-70's. I do feel that there's an appreciable difference between the two. But you don't really gain a whole lot of low end with the RC-70's, they're pretty comparable to the 50's in that area. The biggest difference is in the clarity of the mid range and upper bass.

If you're looking for more punch on the low end, why not add a subwoofer?

As soon as I posted that, I realized that what I probably need is a good quality 8" or 10" sealed subwoofer to round out the low end for music.

Good call.

However, the best audio performance through my AVR is when it is set to "Pure Audio" (2 channel only). If I select "Stereo", which is 2 channels + subwoofer, I think the AVR adds some processing that affects the overall sound quality. I'll have to play around with it a little more to see if there are any real differences in the settings.

Yeah, unfortunately due to it's size and weight, the VTF-2 will also cost $250 to ship here.

Thanks to this awesome forum and it's members (batpig, afrogt, subbie, etc.) I just recently purchased the Denon 1911, RC10s, and RC-Rs. What do you guys think I should get for a sub with a $600 budget and 19' x 22' x 10' room? Thanks in advance!