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post #23611 of 47689
1/8/11 at 11:56am
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Originally Posted by Bobamaniac View Post

Here's the link to this RC-LCR eBay seller:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ht_2555wt_1100

He has changed the quantity on this listing to "Limited Quantity" and created another listing with more than 10 units available. He has increased the price in the new listing and is selling at $374.99.

I won a used RC-LCR on eBay on 12/27 and just received it today. The seller had boxed the speaker in a Motorola cardboard box. Three of the speaker's corners were chipped. When I removed the speaker, I could hear something rolling around in the speaker... one of the rear ports was broken. I couldn't see the hollow black cylinder thing... just the opening showing the inside of the speaker. On connecting the speaker I noticed that one of the woofers is not working.

And I paid $227 for it.

I have sent some pics to the user, asking him for a refund. I hope he refunds me the money. I can't use that speaker.
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post #23612 of 47689
1/8/11 at 12:22pm
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Originally Posted by subiefast View Post

I've had both RC10s, and KEF IQ5s, IQ7s, IQ10s, etc. I prefer the KEFs, but that is my preference. I feel they are both good, and I also feel that the KEFs are more detailed. However, the KEFs rely greatly on a good sub, and benefit more by audyssey. The energy is fuller by themselves. The IQ90's are larger than anything I owned so they may be a full speaker. I ended up keeping the KEFs though.

I was looking at some iq10s for my desk. Is a sub a must? Mostly for nearfield listening, primarily music with some gaming. I'm debating something like the iq10/30 or the M-Audio AV40...with the advantage of the M-Audio being I won't need a receiver hooked up. Thanks!
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post #23613 of 47689
1/8/11 at 12:36pm
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Originally Posted by Bobamaniac View Post

No I haven't seen any other reports from RC-LCR buyers. As others have said here, this eBayer's feedback has a fair amount of neutral to negative reviews in terms of numbers (though it's only 0.6% of his 304,487 ratings). He is clearly a HUGE volume seller so attention to detail on every item is not feasible I'd guess. I'd think it's in his best interest to deal with me fairly on this issue or he'll get a bad reputation on this forum!

I'm curious how others who've recently ordered RC-LCR's from this person will make out. Please let us know you guys!

Bob

Mine should come in some time next week and I will definitely share my own experience with this seller. Thanks, and good luck.
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post #23614 of 47689
1/8/11 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by automaton View Post

I was looking at some iq10s for my desk. Is a sub a must? Mostly for nearfield listening, primarily music with some gaming. I'm debating something like the iq10/30 or the M-Audio AV40...with the advantage of the M-Audio being I won't need a receiver hooked up. Thanks!

I'm using a pair of IQ10s for my bedroom setup. I paired a very cheap $100 TSC sub, which is almost like not using a sub at all, and I'm pretty happy with it.
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post #23615 of 47689
1/8/11 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by caper334 View Post

Just wondering how people have there rc 70 and lcr setup Mine I have set to large crossing over at 60 ...wondering if anyone has it set to small and cross over at 80 and let sub do all the work...

I had mine set up that way also. I was using a small energy sub at the time (the one that comes with the rc micro). I purchased a hsu Stf-1 from somebody on craigslist last weekend. I ran ypao and set the crossover @ 60. Listened for a few hours. Got curious and re-ran @ 80. Big difference. It sounded a lot better @ 80. So that's where it is.
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post #23616 of 47689
1/8/11 at 1:09pm
FWIW, I have my RC-50s set at 80 with an Emotiva 10" and it sounds good. Also have the ports plugged to clean up the boominess. Went the sealed route for music, and the sub is plenty powerful, but not quite as tight as I'd have liked. Still have some testing left to do on it.

Thanks for your thoughts on the KEFs subie...hoping they drop to $140 on Amazon again. Curious to hear how they sound compared to the RCs. The M-Audio do have really strong reviews and seem like they might be better for nearfield seeing as that's what they're designed for.
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post #23617 of 47689
1/8/11 at 1:26pm
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Originally Posted by Bobamaniac View Post

Yes, the ideal route is to replace the crossover board. Energy says they have some left in stock. I'd have to solder the driver wires onto the new board. It would be a bit tricky working in there with a soldering iron, soldering on the bottom side of the board. And all that fiberglass insulation makes it a messy job. I'd want to protect the exterior of the speaker with a plastic bag so I didn't get glass fibers into all the crevices of the external drivers and onto the outside of the cabinet.

Another option would be to coil up that inductor and re-fasten it with a new tie-wrap. The Energy tech said that may be ok. I could try that first and see how it comes out. Still a messy job with having to access the underside of the crossover board and deal with the fiberglass. I can see the circuit board would come loose by removing 4 screws at the corners, though it would still be constrained by the wires to the speaker drivers and difficult to maneuver around I'd guess. If I did this I might want to purchase the new board anyway as a backup in case I screw things up like breaking a wire to that coil.

Still waiting for response from seller regarding my findings. I'd be ok with him rebating me some money so I could go and purchase that replacement crossover. I may not hear until Monday since I believe he operates on "1 - 2 business day response".

I too wonder if these units are "second tier" stock that was blown out by Energy.

Bob

Looks to me that the white plastic ties that holding the coil broke (it should never happen) and the coil came loose during shipping. It should be ok just ties back the coil if there is no discontinious of the coil (check with meter if you could). But I would still plan to get a crossover board as a black up since who know what else come loose of that circuit board.
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post #23618 of 47689
1/8/11 at 1:47pm
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Originally Posted by bpjadhav View Post

I won a used RC-LCR on eBay on 12/27 and just received it today. The seller had boxed the speaker in a Motorola cardboard box. Three of the speaker's corners were chipped. When I removed the speaker, I could hear something rolling around in the speaker... one of the rear ports was broken. I couldn't see the hollow black cylinder thing... just the opening showing the inside of the speaker. On connecting the speaker I noticed that one of the woofers is not working.

And I paid $227 for it.

I have sent some pics to the user, asking him for a refund. I hope he refunds me the money. I can't use that speaker.

Sorry to hear about your ebay auction. I had contemplated bidding on that auction as well. Not sure if this helps you as the seller didn't indicate the condition of the speaker on his auction, but when I inquired about the condition, the seller responded, "YES IT IS IN PERFECT WORKING CONDITION . NO COSMETIC ISSUES."
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post #23619 of 47689
1/8/11 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by Bobamaniac View Post

BTW: The speaker does play properly, except I do hear buzzing/vibrating during loud passages, due to the loose inductor coil moving around against the side of the speaker.

Sorry to hear about your situation. Hopefully, the seller will do right by you. I also purchased a LC-RCR from that auction. It arrives Monday...

Was the speaker packaged in the original Energy packaging? I suppose that it could have been subjected to some rough UPS handling...
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post #23620 of 47689
1/8/11 at 2:11pm
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Originally Posted by turrmoil View Post

guys there's a sale on Klipsch RW-12d Subwoofer Each $350

How does this compare to the Energy ESW-C10 that I got for $230 shipped in a sale at Electronics-Expo

Is the RW-12d that much better to command a $120 premium?

Any thoughts or comments guys?


My other speakers are:
CF-70
RC10
CC5
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post #23621 of 47689
1/8/11 at 2:15pm
Yes, it was in all original packaging, just like other Energy speakers I've bought new. It's odd how this coil broke away, since there were no signs of serious abuse to the box and the cabinet is cosmetically perfect. I'm wondering if this is a factory defect--maybe a worker pulled too tight on the tie-wrap and snapped it but didn't notice.
Bob
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post #23622 of 47689
1/8/11 at 2:45pm
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Originally Posted by bleumax View Post

Sorry to hear about your ebay auction. I had contemplated bidding on that auction as well. Not sure if this helps you as the seller didn't indicate the condition of the speaker on his auction, but when I inquired about the condition, the seller responded, "YES IT IS IN PERFECT WORKING CONDITION . NO COSMETIC ISSUES."

Thanks. I think almost all the damage was sustained during shipping. The seller did a lousy job of packing it. He did not have the original box, so he packed it in a bigger box and padded the sides with newspaper. The corner edges were left without any padding and most of them chipped. He sent it by USPS. There was no shipping notification, so I had no clue when it was supposed to arrive. The pics in the auction showed both the rear ports properly, so I am fairly confident that one of them broke during shipping.

The seller has asked me to provide pictures of the damage.

If I get a refund on this transaction, I will probably buy a new one from the guy selling it for $370/$375. I hope your speaker arrives without any damage unlike Bob's.
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post #23623 of 47689
1/8/11 at 5:52pm
Well, all that is left is my pair of New in open box Cherry finish RC-minis available for sale. Obviously, it has all original packaging, wall mounts, etc. Looking for $290 shipped via UPS with full insurance. I am taking offers also, so if that is just a bit too much for your budget, send me an offer.... you never know!
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post #23624 of 47689
1/8/11 at 6:24pm
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

You're gonna be messed up now if you ever have to pay real money for speakers in the future.

GOOD PURCHASE! Congrats!

lol thats exactly what I was thinking. I know that good speakers cost a lot of money, but hopefully this set lasts me at least 5-6 years and it will be worth it.
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post #23625 of 47689
1/8/11 at 6:26pm
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Originally Posted by caper_1 View Post

This means tonal match of the speakers...for example if someone was speaking and the sound was coming from front-right part of the screen (so front-right speaker) and walked from right to left while talking, then the sound would pan across your front sounstage, as it passed from speaker to speaker, the tone would change if they were not timbre matched...


Is that a typo? $99 for a RC-70???


No Typo. I can scan the receipt if u want, but this is the best deal ive ever gotten or seen someone get. I can post pics of my setup after.
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post #23626 of 47689
1/8/11 at 7:56pm
Sometimes a guy is in the right place at the right time!! It's rare, but it happens!
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post #23627 of 47689
1/8/11 at 8:26pm
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Originally Posted by deano86 View Post

Sometimes a guy is in the right place at the right time!! It's rare, but it happens!


I just find it really hard to believe that an employee of FutureShop (I assume it's FutureShop, since it's in Canada and Energy only sells through authorized dealers) would be able to discount a $500 speaker down to $100 without thinking twice.

Even if it were a store manager, I'd be shocked. Maybe a 10% or even a 20% discount might be easy to get, but not an 80% discount. That's just ridiculous.

If I owned the store, someone would get fired over that one.
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post #23628 of 47689
1/9/11 at 5:45am
Maybe if you cut an RC-70 in half it would be $99. Must have been a pricing error that no one caught
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post #23629 of 47689
1/9/11 at 6:46am
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Originally Posted by mesasone View Post

Just a 10" Emotiva here.

2xRC30s on the way for fronts, RC-Mini center, and may be CB5s for surr. room is 13'x20'. i can get BIC F12 for good price. but i heard it may not be v good for music. is that true? fyi, i love my jamo sub250 for music, but lacks HT punch for my room..
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post #23630 of 47689
1/9/11 at 7:09am
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Originally Posted by rajdori View Post

2xRC30s on the way for fronts, RC-Mini center, and may be CB5s for surr. room is 13'x20'. i can get BIC F12 for good price. but i heard it may not be v good for music. is that true? fyi, i love my jamo sub250 for music, but lacks HT punch for my room..

Speaking from my recent experience, you might want to go higher for the sub if you can, given the size of the room.
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post #23631 of 47689
1/9/11 at 7:12am
Not familiar with either of those subs, but I'm pretty satisfied with my little Emotiva.

However, I plan on DIYing a pair of sealed monsters that will extend much lower in the not entirely distant future.

Just beware the limitations of such a subs.
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post #23632 of 47689
1/9/11 at 7:39am
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Originally Posted by rajdori View Post

2xRC30s on the way for fronts, RC-Mini center, and may be CB5s for surr. room is 13'x20'. i can get BIC F12 for good price. but i heard it may not be v good for music. is that true? fyi, i love my jamo sub250 for music, but lacks HT punch for my room..

Comparing the specs between your existing sub and the BIC, it will be no contest that the 12 inch BIC will fill your room much better than your 8 inch Jamo..... The BIC doesnt appear specwise to go super low (rated down to 25Hz) but that is certainly much lower than the 30 Hz your Jamo does now. If you really like super low frequencies you can feel, then you may want to look at other options. Of course you will have to pay more.... I see the BIC is available for $183 shipped?! That is probably pretty good value for your buck at that price though... Why not run them both, with the BIC somewhere in the front of the room and tuck the Jamo somewhere further back in your room. The tricky part will be finding that sweet spot where the two subs work well together, not to mention ajusting their phase controls to work together instead of against each other. But, once you do get it, you will be amazed how well two subs can pressurize a room and even out the response!
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post #23633 of 47689
1/9/11 at 7:49am
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Originally Posted by deano86 View Post

Comparing the specs between your existing sub and the BIC, it will be no contest that the 12 inch BIC will fill your room much better than your 8 inch Jamo..... The BIC doesnt appear specwise to go super low (rated down to 25Hz) but that is certainly much lower than the 30 Hz your Jamo does now. If you really like super low frequencies you can feel, then you may want to look at other options. Of course you will have to pay more.... I see the BIC is available for $183 shipped?! That is probably pretty good value for your buck at that price though... Why not run them both, with the BIC somewhere in the front of the room and tuck the Jamo somewhere further back in your room. The tricky part will be finding that sweet spot where the two subs work well together, not to mention ajusting their phase controls to work together instead of against each other. But, once you do get it, you will be amazed how well two subs can pressurize a room and even out the response!

trhx for super quick responses. to clarify, sub250 was my first sub, so i am not really looking for SUPER low, BIC F12 going to 25hz should be fine. my main concern was - is BIC F12 known to work well for music as well? or Emotiva 10" will be better as someone was saying..? where and for how much can i get Emotive 10"? can i get it under $190ish..
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post #23634 of 47689
1/9/11 at 8:04am
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Originally Posted by rajdori View Post

trhx for super quick responses. to clarify, sub250 was my first sub, so i am not really looking for SUPER low, BIC F12 going to 25hz should be fine. my main concern was - is BIC F12 known to work well for music as well? or Emotiva 10" will be better as someone was saying..? where and for how much can i get Emotive 10"? can i get it under $190ish..

They had black ash available for $219, but you had to call them, because they've disappeared from the website in favor of the new finish. For that room size though, you might be better off with the 12". that's just my opinion though. I like my Emotiva for music, but my room is smaller, and I'm in a condo so can't crank it too much. I actually turn the sub down for music so it doesn't overpower the other frequencies too much. But it needs to be cranked a little for HT IMO.
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post #23635 of 47689
1/9/11 at 8:27am
Hi,

I recently replaced my Yamaha receiver RXV1900 with a Yamaha DSPZ7. I was stunned at the improved sound performance. My RC70s, RCLCR, RC10s, ESWV10 seemed to simply open up, at loud volumes they sounded brilliant. If anyone is considering upgrading their receiver, I was surprised at the improved sound quality. Very impressed with the Energy speakers. My wife, who doesn't share my passion for upgrading, said the sound quality was 100 % better.

Interestingly, it was a Paradigm salesperson who said the weak link in my system was the receiver, when I asked if he thought I would notice an improvement with the Paradigm Studio 100s. He indicated the Energy RC70s were their equal.

Brian
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post #23636 of 47689
1/9/11 at 11:43am
anybody else notice the new rc-lcr listings on ebay? $359 & $363 from the same seller. item location shows china, but sales tax is charged for ohio
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post #23637 of 47689
1/9/11 at 11:50am
My Pioneer 1120 has limited crossover options-- 80 and 50, but nothing in between. Is this fairly common? The difference between 80 and 50 is pretty pronounced, with the sub not doing a lot when set to 50.
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post #23638 of 47689
1/9/11 at 12:02pm
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Originally Posted by batt50 View Post

anybody else notice the new rc-lcr listings on ebay? $359 & $363 from the same seller. item location shows china, but sales tax is charged for ohio

I noticed them this morning. It has to be the same guy, but a different name and location. So, now the guy has four parallel listings for the RC-LCR priced at $359, $363, $370 and $375. He is competing against himself. Very strange. All the listings except the $370 one shows more than 10 units are available.
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post #23639 of 47689
1/9/11 at 12:09pm
There is a cherry RC-70 for sale on eBay for $299. It's a new speaker that was damaged during shipping... there's a nick on the upper left corner. Looks like Vanns is selling it. Looks like a great deal.
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post #23640 of 47689
1/9/11 at 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by batt50 View Post

anybody else notice the new rc-lcr listings on ebay? $359 & $363 from the same seller. item location shows china, but sales tax is charged for ohio

Some guy has posted a question about this seller's return policy and shipping times:
Q: Hi. What's your return policy if the item is defective? Do you double box? How long is the shipping to va? Thanks Jan-09-11
A: shipping time : Generally speaking, it will take 10-25 working days due to international express and weather. The delivery time will be affected by airplane company liner and custom clear and these our return policy as follows : Refund or replacement request is available only the requests within 1 week after parcel received & returning the item as the same condition as received. All items returned must contain all original packaging materials. Shipping, handling and insurance fees are non refundable. Buyer is responsible for All Return Postage and Shipping Charges. give our best wish to you and your family seller and friend

I wouldn't want to pay return shipping to China if the item shows up defective. I would rather pay the extra $10 and go for the Ohio listing.
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