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post #32761 of 47730
10/27/11 at 7:58am
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Originally Posted by Macstatic View Post

........that is made of brass

But indeed I stand corrected in the instrument classification.

I really wasnt trying to be an a-hole about it......

i thought it was relevant because the sound of brass instruments and wood instruments are very different. So when taking about certain types of instruments and how they sound through certain speakers, i thought it was important to differentiate.

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I'm going to start a new band. I'll call it "The Brass Sax's And The Stringed Pianos". Lol

LOL!
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post #32762 of 47730
10/27/11 at 7:58am
Hi folks, I'm really torn. I had been researching picking up the CF-70s on sale and pairing them with CC-10 and CB-10 surrounds, primarily for movies/gaming, although some music / parties as well. (Music at parties will not be excessively loud out of respect to neighbors.)

I called Vann's Monday and they told me the sale was over, and thanks to this thread (and another) I found out about the RC-10 sale, so ended up ordering them up instead.

Today I find out I received bad information and the CF sale is still available, making them perhaps slightly cheaper than the RCs, after factoring in cost for stands.

ObsceneJesster, who has used both and been very helpful, is recommending in another thread that I should return / cancel the order (already shipped) and go for the CFs instead.

I'm torn--I have not had the opportunity to listen to either and this is my first "serious" surround system and I do want them to last a few years. I'm not an audiophile, so not sure I would be able to tell a significant difference between the two. I also live in a small condo, and expect to be living in smaller spaces for the next several years. CF-70s would fit quite well in my current location, but it's possible in a future move that the smaller RC-10s would be more convenient.

I greatly appreciate ObsceneJesster's advice and would like to open it up to see if there are any other opinions? Overall, I'm leaning towards keeping the RC-10s in order to minimize hassle, etc.

Thanks in advance for any feedback.
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post #32763 of 47730
10/27/11 at 8:04am
@ kgallerie

I deleted the post because it made no sense after I saw Macstatic edited his. Glad you thought it was funny
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post #32764 of 47730
10/27/11 at 8:17am
@Hank - how in depth of an investigation did you do when comparing your newer and older RC-70s? A 5lb difference seems like a lot and the only thing that I can think of that would make the newer ones that much lighter would be thinner wood cabinets or thinner/less internal bracing. I'm certainly not asking you to take apart your speakers to lookjust wondering if you have already figured out why the weight is different. If I remember correctly, you said that you can't really notice a difference in sound, which is a very good thing!
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post #32765 of 47730
10/27/11 at 8:28am
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Originally Posted by EnerJi View Post

Hi folks, I'm really torn. I had been researching picking up the CF-70s on sale and pairing them with CC-10 and CB-10 surrounds, primarily for movies/gaming, although some music / parties as well. (Music at parties will not be excessively loud out of respect to neighbors.)

I called Vann's Monday and they told me the sale was over, and thanks to this thread (and another) I found out about the RC-10 sale, so ended up ordering them up instead.

Today I find out I received bad information and the CF sale is still available, making them perhaps slightly cheaper than the RCs, after factoring in cost for stands.

ObsceneJesster, who has used both and been very helpful, is recommending in another thread that I should return / cancel the order (already shipped) and go for the CFs instead.

I'm torn--I have not had the opportunity to listen to either and this is my first "serious" surround system and I do want them to last a few years. I'm not an audiophile, so not sure I would be able to tell a significant difference between the two. I also live in a small condo, and expect to be living in smaller spaces for the next several years. CF-70s would fit quite well in my current location, but it's possible in a future move that the smaller RC-10s would be more convenient.

I greatly appreciate ObsceneJesster's advice and would like to open it up to see if there are any other opinions? Overall, I'm leaning towards keeping the RC-10s in order to minimize hassle, etc.

Thanks in advance for any feedback.

If you're planning on using speaker stands, the RC-10s will take up almost as much space as the CF-70s. The 10s would come in handy for space-saving if you put them on a bookshelf or entertainment center. You would most likely want to add a sub to go along with your 10s, which will take up more space and an additional cost. If you went with the 70s (and again, since you will be in smaller spaces for the foreseeable future), you might be able to get away without using a sub, as they put out some pretty good bass on their own.

Neither are bad options IMO and you should be happy with either set up as long as you get a sub to go along with the 10s.
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post #32766 of 47730
10/27/11 at 8:35am
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Originally Posted by EnerJi View Post

Hi folks, I'm really torn. I had been researching picking up the CF-70s on sale and pairing them with CC-10 and CB-10 surrounds, primarily for movies/gaming, although some music / parties as well. (Music at parties will not be excessively loud out of respect to neighbors.)

I called Vann's Monday and they told me the sale was over, and thanks to this thread (and another) I found out about the RC-10 sale, so ended up ordering them up instead.

Today I find out I received bad information and the CF sale is still available, making them perhaps slightly cheaper than the RCs, after factoring in cost for stands.

ObsceneJesster, who has used both and been very helpful, is recommending in another thread that I should return / cancel the order (already shipped) and go for the CFs instead.

I'm torn--I have not had the opportunity to listen to either and this is my first "serious" surround system and I do want them to last a few years. I'm not an audiophile, so not sure I would be able to tell a significant difference between the two. I also live in a small condo, and expect to be living in smaller spaces for the next several years. CF-70s would fit quite well in my current location, but it's possible in a future move that the smaller RC-10s would be more convenient.

I greatly appreciate ObsceneJesster's advice and would like to open it up to see if there are any other opinions? Overall, I'm leaning towards keeping the RC-10s in order to minimize hassle, etc.

Thanks in advance for any feedback.

Are you going to use a sub?
If you like the CF sound I would go with the C's. Your towers will be able to produce a lot more frequencies and the price is good.
For myself, I would without a second thought buy the RC-10's. I have auditioned the C's and they were not my type of sound. Only one other Technics speaker that I owned had the same effect on me- but I'm sure many others would be fine with the C's.
What speakers have you used in the past? And what kind of receiver?
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post #32767 of 47730
10/27/11 at 8:57am
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Originally Posted by jjl4004 View Post

@Hank - how in depth of an investigation did you do when comparing your newer and older RC-70s? A 5lb difference seems like a lot and the only thing that I can think of that would make the newer ones that much lighter would be thinner wood cabinets or thinner/less internal bracing. I'm certainly not asking you to take apart your speakers to lookjust wondering if you have already figured out why the weight is different. If I remember correctly, you said that you can't really notice a difference in sound, which is a very good thing!

I honestly have no clue, I wish I did. Everything was done as precise as I could. I don't notice a sound difference, but the speakers are used in different rooms with different receivers. One day I will bring them together and A/B them, I definitely will post what I find.
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post #32768 of 47730
10/27/11 at 9:40am
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Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous View Post


Are you going to use a sub?
If you like the CF sound I would go with the C's. Your towers will be able to produce a lot more frequencies and the price is good.
For myself, I would without a second thought buy the RC-10's. I have auditioned the C's and they were not my type of sound. Only one other Technics speaker that I owned had the same effect on me- but I'm sure many others would be fine with the C's.
What speakers have you used in the past? And what kind of receiver?

That's just the thing. He has never really had a speaker set up. I told him that I liked the CF-70's more when it came to movies and rock/pop music but I thought the RC-10's were more suited for the music I prefer to listen to such as Jazz and Contemporary.

I just told him that for what he is going to be using the speakers for the CF-70's would give him a larger front sound stage with a fuller sound. Atleast that was my findings as you know. I know I've said it before but I guess its because its what I am used to but action scenes sounded so much more in depth with the 70's over the 10's.
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post #32769 of 47730
10/27/11 at 9:41am
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Originally Posted by jjl4004 View Post

If you're planning on using speaker stands, the RC-10s will take up almost as much space as the CF-70s. The 10s would come in handy for space-saving if you put them on a bookshelf or entertainment center. You would most likely want to add a sub to go along with your 10s, which will take up more space and an additional cost. If you went with the 70s (and again, since you will be in smaller spaces for the foreseeable future), you might be able to get away without using a sub, as they put out some pretty good bass on their own.

Neither are bad options IMO and you should be happy with either set up as long as you get a sub to go along with the 10s.

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Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous View Post

Are you going to use a sub?
If you like the CF sound I would go with the C's. Your towers will be able to produce a lot more frequencies and the price is good.
For myself, I would without a second thought buy the RC-10's. I have auditioned the C's and they were not my type of sound. Only one other Technics speaker that I owned had the same effect on me- but I'm sure many others would be fine with the C's.
What speakers have you used in the past? And what kind of receiver?

In the relatively distant past, I've used two Infinity floor-standing speakers from the mid 90s, that were ~$250-$300/each, paired with an even older 1980s Yamaha receiver. More recently, I've been relegated to TV speakers, so any decent surround system is going to be a huge upgrade for me. I'll pairing these speakers with a Denon 2112 receiver.

I neglected to mention that I already bought a sub, the Energy S10.3.

Regarding the size / flexibility comment I made, I realize the RC-10/stand combo will take up about as much space as a floor-standing speaker, but my point was in a future living environment where perhaps my SO does want some furniture near the TV, I may have more flexibility to put the RC-10s on some furniture. This is pretty speculative (I could always sell floor-standing and buy some bookshelf speakers) but it might come in handy down the road.
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post #32770 of 47730
10/27/11 at 9:41am
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/d...667869432.html and somebody was saying we don't get good deals in the Baltimore area.
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post #32771 of 47730
10/27/11 at 10:03am
Wow, great deal. It's only one speaker?
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post #32772 of 47730
10/27/11 at 10:12am
Looks like it.
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post #32773 of 47730
10/27/11 at 10:17am
I received my lfm-1 ex yesterday. I am pretty much NooB
I have RC50s in the front and RC-LCR center and RC10s in the back for surround
I have pioneer 1121-K receiver

What tuning i need to do with my subwoofer? Please guide me through the steps
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post #32774 of 47730
10/27/11 at 10:19am
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Originally Posted by aassad1 View Post

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/d...667869432.html and somebody was saying we don't get good deals in the Baltimore area.

That was me complaining....

Nice deal, if you had a line on a 2nd to match it...
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post #32775 of 47730
10/27/11 at 10:22am
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Originally Posted by kgallerie View Post

I really wasnt trying to be an a-hole about it......

i thought it was relevant because the sound of brass instruments and wood instruments are very different. So when taking about certain types of instruments and how they sound through certain speakers, i thought it was important to differentiate.



LOL!

they are all call Wind instruments
the only difference in brass instruments and some instruments that are made of brass is the mouthpiece but is okay to call it both brass or wood it doesn't matter that much is not a really big deal still love how all the wind instruments sound in the RC speakers.
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post #32776 of 47730
10/27/11 at 10:24am
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Originally Posted by EnerJi View Post

In the relatively distant past, I've used two Infinity floor-standing speakers from the mid 90s, that were ~$250-$300/each, paired with an even older 1980s Yamaha receiver. More recently, I've been relegated to TV speakers, so any decent surround system is going to be a huge upgrade for me. I'll pairing these speakers with a Denon 2112 receiver.

I neglected to mention that I already bought a sub, the Energy S10.3.

Regarding the size / flexibility comment I made, I realize the RC-10/stand combo will take up about as much space as a floor-standing speaker, but my point was in a future living environment where perhaps my SO does want some furniture near the TV, I may have more flexibility to put the RC-10s on some furniture. This is pretty speculative (I could always sell floor-standing and buy some bookshelf speakers) but it might come in handy down the road.

I have the same sub and I love it.
What Infinity speakers were you using? I think that you should probably get the RC-10's.
I wouldn't buy speakers for future unknown environment changes though. Since you are only guessing what might happen I would buy whatever works best for you now.
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post #32777 of 47730
10/27/11 at 10:26am
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Originally Posted by alphaiii View Post

That was me complaining....

Nice deal, if you had a line on a 2nd to match it...

Or if you already had two and used this third one for a centre, awesome deal!
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post #32778 of 47730
10/27/11 at 10:28am
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Originally Posted by crazyjutt View Post

I received my lfm-1 ex yesterday. I am pretty much NooB
I have RC50s in the front and RC-LCR center and RC10s in the back for surround
I have pioneer 1121-K receiver

What tuning i need to do with my subwoofer? Please guide me through the steps

Is your receiver capable of setting different speakers at different crossover levels?
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post #32779 of 47730
10/27/11 at 10:31am
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

the only difference in brass instruments and some instruments that are made of brass is the wood mouthpiece but is okay to call it both brass or wood it doesn't matter that much is not a really big deal

Thats the only physical difference.....but it happens to be the mechanism that creates the sound, kind of important. And again.....the sound (which was the topic of discussion at the time) is very different.

Lets end this conversation here.....its not really going anywhere important.
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post #32780 of 47730
10/27/11 at 10:33am
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Originally Posted by EnerJi View Post

In the relatively distant past, I've used two Infinity floor-standing speakers from the mid 90s, that were ~$250-$300/each, paired with an even older 1980s Yamaha receiver. More recently, I've been relegated to TV speakers, so any decent surround system is going to be a huge upgrade for me. I'll pairing these speakers with a Denon 2112 receiver.

I neglected to mention that I already bought a sub, the Energy S10.3.

Regarding the size / flexibility comment I made, I realize the RC-10/stand combo will take up about as much space as a floor-standing speaker, but my point was in a future living environment where perhaps my SO does want some furniture near the TV, I may have more flexibility to put the RC-10s on some furniture. This is pretty speculative (I could always sell floor-standing and buy some bookshelf speakers) but it might come in handy down the road.

Since the RC-10's are already on the way, why not give them a listen and see how you like them. Vanns has a really good return policy so if they dont suit you well, you can return them.

Just make sure you give them a good 25-50 hours to break in. I think it really makes a difference.
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post #32781 of 47730
10/27/11 at 10:51am
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Originally Posted by kgallerie View Post

Thats the only physical difference.....but it happens to be the mechanism that creates the sound, kind of important. And again.....the sound (which was the topic of discussion at the time) is very different.

Lets end this conversation here.....its not really going anywhere important.


they all are Wind instruments so what we was trying to said is that wind instruments sound excellent in the RC speakers and I think is a little bit rude trying to make people stop talking about something that was all ready complaining about it you know exactly when the big deal started.
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10/27/11 at 10:56am
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Originally Posted by alphaiii View Post

That was me complaining....

Nice deal, if you had a line on a 2nd to match it...

Buy the single one for $100 and find another one later. Even if you have to pay $300 for the second RC-50 that means you got a pair for $400 which is an exceptional deal.

Even this wouldn't be bad since it is brand new.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Energy-RC-50...item2a14a15842
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post #32783 of 47730
10/27/11 at 10:59am
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Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous View Post

Is your receiver capable of setting different speakers at different crossover levels?

My receiver has something called MCAAC. i think i should go ahead and use it.
is there anything else i need to do other than MCAAC ?
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post #32784 of 47730
10/27/11 at 11:01am
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Originally Posted by crazyjutt View Post


My receiver has something called MCAAC. i think i should go ahead and use it.
is there anything else i need to do other than MCAAC ?

Run MCAAC and then set all speakers to small with a 80Hz crossover. Turn the crossover knob on the subwoofer all the way up.
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post #32785 of 47730
10/27/11 at 11:04am
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Originally Posted by ObsceneJesster View Post

Run MCAAC and then set all speakers to small with a 80Hz crossover. Turn the crossover knob on the subwoofer all the way up.

I wouldn't set all the speakers at 80 if he doesn't have to pick one setting.
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post #32786 of 47730
10/27/11 at 11:10am
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Originally Posted by kgallerie View Post

Since the RC-10's are already on the way, why not give them a listen and see how you like them. Vanns has a really good return policy so if they dont suit you well, you can return them.

Just make sure you give them a good 25-50 hours to break in. I think it really makes a difference.

@EnerJi

+1. If the 10s and the S10.3 give you what you're looking for, than I suggest you grab a RC Mini center or RC-LCR while they are still available. If you decide you like the 10s, are you then planning on buying another pair of RC-10s for surrounds?
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10/27/11 at 11:10am
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Originally Posted by crazyjutt View Post

My receiver has something called MCAAC. i think i should go ahead and use it.
is there anything else i need to do other than MCAAC ?

See if you can set each speaker individually. I would set an RC-10 around 100, and a RC-50 at around 70 if possible. My Denon allows me to do this, Onkyo's don't from what I have heard, and I don't know about Pioneer.
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10/27/11 at 11:12am
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Originally Posted by aassad1 View Post

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/d...667869432.html and somebody was saying we don't get good deals in the Baltimore area.

I wish that was close to me. I'd buy it in a second and do everything I could to use it as a center channel. That's a steal!
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post #32789 of 47730
10/27/11 at 11:29am
AFAIK the Pioneer receivers have one universal crossover for all speakers.

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I received my lfm-1 ex yesterday. I am pretty much NooB
I have RC50s in the front and RC-LCR center and RC10s in the back for surround
I have pioneer 1121-K receiver

What tuning i need to do with my subwoofer? Please guide me through the steps

You may want to ask in the Pio owner's thread for sure, but in general what you want to do with subwoofers and modern digital receivers is:

1) hook up with a low level connection (RCA digital coax) from the SUB OUT on the receiver
2) set the volume knob on the sub about 1/3 to 1/2 of the way up
3) either bypass the crossover (low pass filter) on the subwoofer, or if there is no bypass mode, turn it to the highest possible frequency
4) run AUTO SETUP on your receiver (MCACC)
5) after MCACC is complete, check the bass management (i.e. adjust the crossovers) so the subwoofer gets all the low bass

80Hz is probably your best bet given the single crossover limitation.
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10/27/11 at 11:30am
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Originally Posted by crazyjutt View Post

My receiver has something called MCAAC. i think i should go ahead and use it.
is there anything else i need to do other than MCAAC ?

One thing to note with MCAAC (unless they've recently changed it), if you run Auto MCAAC, the program will automatically change your speaker setting to "Large", even if you had previously set it to "Small."

What I do is run MCAAC, then go back into the speaker settings and manually change back to "Small." I've seen where some people run MCAAC after setting the THX certified option to yes, which will keep the speaker setting on "Small."

I set the crossover to 80. I'm running RC-50's up front with an RC-LCR and a HSU VTF-15H sub.
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