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Originally Posted by scotsomuni View Post

Thanks - I have used the velcro strips on other projects and it works great. I'd probably try putty first b/c I'd be concerned velcro strips may damage the bottom of the speaker if I ever tried to remove it.

Any thoughts on the steel vs wooden Sansus stands for my RC-10s? The steel cost a lot more...not sure if it's worth it. I wish I could see them in person. I'm sure my wife would want to go with the one that is more aesthetically pleasing...it's hard to tell from the photos on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/SANUS-SYSTEMS-...331958&sr=1-11
or
http://www.amazon.com/SANUS-SYSTEMS-...0331958&sr=1-1

I have these, and really like them.

http://www.amazon.com/Sanus-Systems-...0341470&sr=1-2
post #33152 of 47722
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Originally Posted by aassad1 View Post

I know this isn't the receiver section but I like you people. What would be a good solution for hooking my RC-10s up to my computer, my guess would just be a simple stereo amp but I'm looking for specific suggestions.

You should really specify you budget......

But if you want to go inexpensive, this seems popular for a simple 2 channel amp:
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...812&FTR=apa150

or this:

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=302-601
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Whoops, would like to keep it under $200. I knew I forgot something.
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Originally Posted by aassad1 View Post

Whoops, would like to keep it under $200. I knew I forgot something.

Craigslist is your friend......great stuff in your area.


http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/d...680406490.html

http://baltimore.craigslist.org/ele/2652506363.html

http://baltimore.craigslist.org/ele/2618860904.html

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/d...641891400.html
post #33155 of 47722
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Originally Posted by aassad1 View Post

I know this isn't the receiver section but I like you people.

+1

There are some royal jerks on other threads. Not so here.
post #33156 of 47722
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Originally Posted by dillpickle View Post

+1

There are some royal jerks on other threads. Not so here.

No kidding. I was reading a post regarding $900 sub selection last night, and I thought a war was going to break out or someone was going to start crying. It was about at bad as AMD/ATI vs Nvidia if you are a PC enthusiast.
post #33157 of 47722
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Originally Posted by aassad1 View Post

Whoops, would like to keep it under $200. I knew I forgot something.

You mentioned hooking them up to your PC... Will they be on a desktop, or out in the room and you're just using the PC as a source?

I ask because if they're going to be on your desktop, you could consider a small integrated amp like this:
http://www.onecall.com/product/Audio..._/R-113436?t=2
It does have a sub out if you want to add one in the future.. but you don't get any bass management (ie. speakers get full range signal regardless).

If you're not using them on a desktop, and don't need a small amp, you could go with a traditional 2-channel integrated like some of those that kgallerie linked... You won't get any bass management with that either...
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Originally Posted by aassad1 View Post

I know this isn't the receiver section but I like you people. What would be a good solution for hooking my RC-10s up to my computer, my guess would just be a simple stereo amp but I'm looking for specific suggestions.

It really depends if you only want to listen to music from your computer, of if you want to output multi-channel media (and enventually video). There is a ton of options here of course.

If you want only music, I guess a good soundcard will output a pre-amplified analog signal that any stereo amp will be able to deal with. If you want multi-channel sources (e.g. games, movies, etc.), the easiest way is using a modern video card with HDMI out. The video card simply feeds the raw digital stream to the receiver. Use any of the great home theater receivers out there and it will do the digital-to-analog conversion of the audio, drive your speakers, and send the video to your tv.
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Thank you so much for all the input! Kgallerie I hadn't checked craigslist yet because I didn't know what exactly I was looking for so your suggestions are a tremendous help. For now the speakers would just be going right on my desk for music and gaming. I have an old logitech 5.1 system with integrated amp and have only been using the it as 3.1 for years. I'm tired of looking at my poor little rc10s sitting on the floor waiting to get hooked up so I thought why not get something to hook them up to the computer. A cheap used AVR might not be a bad option but I may just go with a 2 channel amp with a sub out to use later for a 2.1 music only system sometime in the future. Decisions decisions! As always though thanks again for the response!



Edit: I used the word tremendous twice haha.
post #33160 of 47722
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

the Energy C-2's are fabulous and $50 is a friggin steal especially with stands.

check out this old Stereophile review: http://www.stereophile.com/standloud...ker/index.html

That is amazing that the reviewer was even considering to make any comparisons to the 2.8's. I realize the tweeter bond, but he didn't just stop there. I really doubt that future released Energy bookshelf speakers will be given that compliment. They sure did make some awesome and affordable speakers. Crazy good.
post #33161 of 47722
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Originally Posted by aassad1 View Post

Thank you so much for all the input! Kgallerie I hadn't checked craigslist yet because I didn't know what exactly I was looking for so your suggestions are a tremendous help. For now the speakers would just be going right on my desk for music and gaming. I have an old logitech 5.1 system with integrated amp and have only been using the it as 3.1 for years. I'm tired of looking at my poor little rc10s sitting on the floor waiting to get hooked up so I thought why not get something to hook them up to the computer. A cheap used AVR might not be a bad option but I may just go with a 2 channel amp with a sub out to use later for a 2.1 music only system sometime in the future. Decisions decisions! As always though thanks again for the response!



Edit: I used the word tremendous twice haha.

The advantage to the AVR is that you get bass management, possibly room correction, and "expandability"...

Going with an integrated with a sub out... you might get better quality amplifications... but that really depends on what you're buying...
post #33162 of 47722
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Originally Posted by aassad1 View Post

Thank you so much for all the input! Kgallerie I hadn't checked craigslist yet because I didn't know what exactly I was looking for so your suggestions are a tremendous help. For now the speakers would just be going right on my desk for music and gaming. I have an old logitech 5.1 system with integrated amp and have only been using the it as 3.1 for years. I'm tired of looking at my poor little rc10s sitting on the floor waiting to get hooked up so I thought why not get something to hook them up to the computer. A cheap used AVR might not be a bad option but I may just go with a 2 channel amp with a sub out to use later for a 2.1 music only system sometime in the future. Decisions decisions! As always though thanks again for the response!



Edit: I used the word tremendous twice haha.

If you already have a Logitech unit with a sub, why not use it? I have a Klipsch Ultra 5.1 and I wouldn't hesitate to swap the satellites out if I came across a great deal on some efficient bookshelf speakers.
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Originally Posted by aassad1 View Post

A cheap used AVR might not be a bad option but I may just go with a 2 channel amp with a sub out to use later for a 2.1 music only system sometime in the future. Decisions decisions! As always though thanks again for the response!

I personally wouldnt go with a cheap avr.....you are paying for extra channels you wont need.

I would go with a stereo receiver over an AVR. I have an older denon dra-375rd and a DRA-635r, and both of the them kick the crap out of the AVR's i've compared them with when it comes to music sound quality.
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Originally Posted by DeanRS57 View Post

No kidding. I was reading a post regarding $900 sub selection last night, and I thought a war was going to break out or someone was going to start crying. It was about at bad as AMD/ATI vs Nvidia if you are a PC enthusiast.

Blu Ray vs High Definition DVD closed this site down because of that! LOL
post #33165 of 47722
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Originally Posted by kgallerie View Post


I would go with a stereo receiver over an AVR. I have an older denon dra-375rd and a DRA-635r, and both of the them kick the crap out of the AVR's i've compared them with when it comes to music sound quality.

I agree that there are some really NASTY cheap AVR's out there. If it's plastic and from the 90's with a slider eq, RUN and don't look back until the door is locked behind you!! I have done comparisons with two receivers hooked up to one set of speakers, and even my girlfriend was shuddering, and she doesn't really care about this stuff too much.
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Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous View Post

If you already have a Logitech unit with a sub, why not use it? I have a Klipsch Ultra 5.1 and I wouldn't hesitate to swap the satellites out if I came across a great deal on some efficient bookshelf speakers.

This http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Compu.../dp/B00007AKDP is what I have. The back of the sub has the amp and places to connect the speakers but I tried plugging my RCs in and didn't get much sound out of them. Perhaps I was doing it wrong some how? But after that I just assumed it wouldn't work. The little 8in sub is pretty nice for music though.

Fun FACT: I just remember I have a rc-mini CC in my basement in a box... that I could also use in this little computer system.
post #33167 of 47722
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Originally Posted by aassad1 View Post

This http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Compu.../dp/B00007AKDP is what I have. The back of the sub has the amp and places to connect the speakers but I tried plugging my RCs in and didn't get much sound out of them. Perhaps I was doing it wrong some how? But after that I just assumed it wouldn't work. The little 8in sub is pretty nice for music though.

Fun FACT: I just remember I have a rc-mini CC in my basement in a box... that I could also use in this little computer system.

It should be fine. Maybe you have your system set to only output 3.1. Try disconnecting the working Logitech speakers and plug in the Energy RC-10's, I think it will work good and sound great. If they do play (I am sure they will) connect all of the speakers back up and go into your setup and set it to output 5.1.

Finding new Energy speakers in forgotten places does sound like fun, I hope I have the same experience sometime!
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Originally Posted by aassad1 View Post

This http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Compu.../dp/B00007AKDP is what I have. The back of the sub has the amp and places to connect the speakers but I tried plugging my RCs in and didn't get much sound out of them.

These kind of system sometimes have very low impedance satellites, and the amp in the sub may have trouble driving higher impedance speakers.

If you're willing to drop 200$ on an amp, I'd go with a recent but used AVR that can process modern digital formats (Dolby Digital & DTS ES for example). Entry level 5.1 receivers such as the Pioneer 52x or the equivalent Yamaha or Onkyo units are frequently on sale below 300$, new; I guess it would be easy to find a used one for around 200$. You'd get a capable amp, 5.1 output for future expansion, and video switching on top of that. Entry level AVRs don't do video upscaling though.

EDIT: check out http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-VSX-52...dp/B004M8RPAY/. This is the current entry-level AVR from Pioneer; Amazon.com will ask 149$ for it.
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

If you're willing to drop 200$ on an amp, I'd go with a recent but used AVR that can process modern digital formats (Dolby Digital & DTS ES for example). Entry level 5.1 receivers such as the Pioneer 52x or the equivalent Yamaha or Onkyo units are frequently on sale below 300$, new; I guess it would be easy to find a used one for around 200$.

I got a refurbished Denon AVR-591 for under $200.
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Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous View Post

I agree that there are some really NASTY cheap AVR's out there. If it's plastic and from the 90's with a slider eq, RUN and don't look back until the door is locked behind you!! I have done comparisons with two receivers hooked up to one set of speakers, and even my girlfriend was shuddering, and she doesn't really care about this stuff too much.

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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

If you're willing to drop 200$ on an amp, I'd go with a recent but used AVR that can process modern digital formats (Dolby Digital & DTS ES for example). Entry level 5.1 receivers such as the Pioneer 52x or the equivalent Yamaha or Onkyo units are frequently on sale below 300$, new; I guess it would be easy to find a used one for around 200$. You'd get a capable amp, 5.1 output for future expansion, and video switching on top of that. Entry level AVRs don't do video upscaling though.

I compared my denon DRA stereo receivers to an onkyo TX-DS575 and a Marantz SR-5500. Both are pretty good quality AVR's. Based on these comparisons, I think the AVRs are more HT dedicated with focuses more on the treble and bass, leaving a colder sounding lack of mids.

Both Denons were much more musical and made the speakers sound a whole lot more "opened-up".

That is my experience anyway. I would personally never by an AVR for music listening ever again. Maybe I am jumping to conclusions too early?

BTW.....if anyone is interested in buying the onkyo mentioned above, I have no need for it. I'll sell it for $50.
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

These kind of system sometimes have very low impedance satellites, and the amp in the sub may have trouble driving higher impedance speakers.

They would actually have high impedance satellite speakers.

An efficient speaker should work fine at medium volume levels with these higher end types of systems.
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Originally Posted by kgallerie View Post

I compared my denon DRA stereo receivers to an onkyo TX-DS575 and a Marantz SR-5500. Both are pretty good quality AVR's. Based on these comparisons, I think the AVRs are more HT dedicated with focuses more on the treble and bass, leaving a colder sounding lack of mids.

Both Denons were much more musical and made the speakers sound a whole lot more "opened-up".

That is my experience anyway. I would personally never by an AVR for music listening ever again. Maybe I am jumping to conclusions too early?

BTW.....if anyone is interested in buying the onkyo mentioned above, I have no need for it. I'll sell it for $50.

For sure, I won't bother with an AVR for music ever again. I like you, also sold my Onkyo TX-DS656 that I was using for a two channel setup. Now I replaced it with really old Technics gear, and it sounds way better. I much more prefer the Technics over my Denon 3808 for music as well. We all have our preferences, and I know what works for me, and what doesn't. Enjoy your setup!
post #33173 of 47722
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Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous View Post

For sure, I won't bother with an AVR for music ever again. I like you, also sold my Onkyo TX-DS656 that I was using for a two channel setup. Now I replaced it with really old Technics gear, and it sounds way better. I much more prefer the Technics over my Denon 3808 for music as well. We all have our preferences, and I know what works for me, and what doesn't. Enjoy your setup!

I sure do enjoy my set up......but I have that damn upgrade bug.

I have my eye on a pair of ADS sat 7 speakers on CL (large bookshelf speakers for bedroom music), but they are 4 ohm. Both of my DRA's are rated at 6-16 ohm, so I may be in the market for an amp too.
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Originally Posted by kgallerie View Post

I sure do enjoy my set up......but I have that damn upgrade bug.

I have my eye on a pair of ADS sat 7 speakers on CL (large bookshelf speakers for bedroom music), but they are 4 ohm. Both of my DRA's are rated at 6-16 ohm, so I may be in the market for an amp too.

HAHAHAHA It never ends! At least you don't mind buying used. Nice looking speakers, it could be totally worth it.
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Just saw this bad boy on craigslist after Hank mentioned technics, maybe it would be a good idea http://baltimore.craigslist.org/ele/2681059484.html.
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Originally Posted by aassad1 View Post

Just saw this bad boy on craigslist after Hank mentioned technics, maybe it would be a good idea http://baltimore.craigslist.org/ele/2681059484.html.

For $100, I would go with this one instead....just my opinion

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/d...680406490.html
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Originally Posted by aassad1 View Post

Just saw this bad boy on craigslist after Hank mentioned technics, maybe it would be a good idea http://baltimore.craigslist.org/ele/2681059484.html.

Now we're talking! Those years for audio equipment are awesome. The quality is superb and the sound is fantastic. I love my SU-8080 and SE A5 MK2. I'm using them right now with RC-70's and I really like everything.
I haven't heard that SA-500 model but if it's anything like what I have heard, I can strongly recommend giving it a listen to.
Pioneer SX-950 through to SX-1250 is also a highly recommended series from my experiences, but I prefer the Technics. The value can be outstanding with vintage gear.
But beware, Technics made some serious GARBAGE in later years. The 70's and very early 80's are the only ones I keep my eyes open for.
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a closer look of the veritas v6.3 in piano rosenut finish
post #33179 of 47722
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Originally Posted by kgallerie View Post

I personally wouldnt go with a cheap avr.....you are paying for extra channels you wont need.

I would go with a stereo receiver over an AVR. I have an older denon dra-375rd and a DRA-635r, and both of the them kick the crap out of the AVR's i've compared them with when it comes to music sound quality.

He wouldn't have to get a cheap AVR... He could easily snag a decent one used for under $200... (I know because I have both a Denon 1910 and 591 that I'm trying to sell and have both listed online for under $200.... shameless plug )

A stereo receiver might have better amps, but his connectivity is limited and there is no bass management, processing of digital signals, room correction, ect...

It all comes down to the individual's needs... If none of the extras an AVR offers are needed, then I agree... go with a stereo receiver or integrated amp.
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Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous View Post

They would actually have high impedance satellite speakers.

I was just saying low impedance because lots of home-theater-in-a-box systems come with small, 3-ohm speakers. I really don't know about 5.1 computer speakers such as this Logitech system.
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