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Can you tell me how the Reference Connoisseur line stacks up to the Veritas line? I have C-9's now and they sound great, but now that I am moving into a dedicated theater, I want to move up a little, can you tell me how big of a leap is the reference is to the original Connoisseur and also how big is the leap from the Connoisseur to the veritas line? Thanks

Anybody watching thursday night football and getting popping sounds from their center channel. I'm only getting it from the game feed. Thinking about going direct to the tv.

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I was wondering if anyone has done any comparisons between the RC 70 and the Veritas V-6.3 towers. i am going to purchase one of these but not too sure which way to go.Would be gratefull for any opinions.
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afrogt, thanks for response but I guess I missed it twice now. I read a few pages back (6 or so?) and saw the pics by scotsomuni but didn't see the detailed comparison. Maybe I'm scanning too fast through the pages but I'm really not seeing it laid out like you describe. scotsomuni did talk of being slightly brighter and more lively but not seeing any other comparisons/observations from others. Again, maybe I'm scrolling through too fast and missing it.

Thanks! Interesting though, he has not replied to me yet. He's just a hop up the street too.

I know, it's strange. My guess is he knows my situation so all he had to do was answer "They're still available" instead of getting ready to respond to sell his speakers.

So would you say all considered, the uplift in price for Veritas not worth it?

Well, when the prices were at full MSRP most of us here didn't even consider it. The price difference was just so much more than the sound quality or build quality difference. Now that the Veritas line has been on sale recently, it's caused some that were 'on the fence' to finally feel comfortable about 'taking the plunge.'

The only difference between the V6.3 and RC-70 is the cabinet, tweeter, mid, woofers, the metal trim around the tweeter and mid, crossover, binding posts, grill and finish but aside from that its exactly the same

There is only CalgaryCowboy and maybe one other frequent member here that has owned both the RC-70's and the Veritas 6.3.
I own the RC-70's and have heard the 6.3's, and maybe another one or two members here have that experience so far.
Take all other comments for what they are worth.
I'd PM CalgaryCowboy if he doesn't respond here.

Welcome to Energy
Great decision to have narrowed your choices down to the RC-70's or Veritas. You are already the envy of many others that would love to have either models. Well done and awesome taste in my opinion.
As I mentioned in the last post, one of your only concrete advisors on the question will be CalgaryCowboy. I would definitely try to ask him before forming any kind of useful opinion.

Thanks Hank, It is a considerable investment and I'm guessing the RC-70's might be discounted greater on some special sale before the V6.3. The further apart the price points are, the more difficult the decision becomes. It would be disappointing to learn down the road that the newer line is not the equal to the older generation. Not having anyone local (that I've found) having both to compare to, makes it even a riskier investment. I'm pretty much making a upgrade decision by the high praise from the members here on this forum about Energy.

I know this might be sacrilege to some, but I've listened to Paradigm Studio 20's, 60's and 100's (which are too expensive) and they did not wow me to where I needed to save up to buy them. I still use an older paradigm CC350 as my center and I must say that has been a beast.

No problem, I know that many people come here looking for honest and accurate advice, but they are at the mercy of not being able to know where the information is coming from.
The RC-70's will probably not be discounted much more than what they are already priced at. They are already heavily discounted from MSRP and are worth the price that they are set at now, in my opinion.
The new Veritas are not up to the same high standards as the older Veritas models. I own the Veritas 1.8 and have briefly heard the 6.3's. I was not impressed with the 6.3's for the MSRP.
If you're thinking that the Veritas a new line made by Energy to replace the RC's, this is not the case. RC's have been made since the 1970's and the Veritas have been around since the 1990's. Both models have been revamped over the years.
I have found that Paradigm makes some fantastic sounding speakers, and also most guys won't care if someone mentions other speaker brands or equipment here, so don't hold back.

I agree with what you're saying, with the owners of those speakers having the only concrete say-so to how the speakers sound against each other. I think jasonmichaelh has both as well.

I always try to be very careful. Thanks for the warning Macstatic, but don't worry about me. Only guys that talk about things they don't know about and state them as facts should care about any "bashing" or correcting that might come as a result. And the sound was part of an answer. I know that I wouldn't have cared if someone else wrote a similar post, because it wouldn't concern me for good reasons.

Yeah I hear you. Sorry I decided to edit the message because I felt bad calling you out, especially after reading how you specified that it was the case for the RC-70/V6.3 comparison.

No problem.
It wasn't me that initially specified anything. I only responded to the responses towards the two new guys that originally asked the very specific question regarding the RC-70's and Veritas 6.3's. I'm quite happy with the advice I gave them. Man this place is a mess sometimes.

I think the audiophile would let his ears decide rather than the opinions of fellow Energy fans. But definitely take those opinions as worth something.

I think it's been mentioned that the new Veritas sound a little more bright than the RC's.
I have the RC-50's, LRC, RC-R and ESW-V10 and am very happy with the set up, even in my poorest of room dimensions and speaker placement.... but I still catch myself wondering about those elusive 70's. I should have splurged a bit more to get them at $400 each last year. Instead I decided on the 50's at $285 each -- which ended up going down to $250 shortly after. I don't regret that price - I do regret not spending $250 more for the 70's but was already pushing my limits with the wife... I don't think you'll regret either the RC's or Veritas for sound. Looks and "name" are another issue, though.

Appreciate all the education on the Energy lines. If I'm interpreting some of the replies correctly, it seems like the RC 70's may have the slight edge on sound quality and the V6.3 an edge on the aesthetics. I'm seeing both as being available for purchase at the same $749/ea pricing from different resellers.

If there are no grossly discernible differences in sound quality, I'm leaning towards the V's for the WAF factor. It will be hard to win her over on this expense either way but the cabinet finish and appearance may help on the Veritas. I'm funding it but there is always the arguments of "needs vs. wants" and I'm sure she would prefer I directed those $ towards a different "needs" area.

Still holding out a little longer to see if anyone with both have a compelling recommendation for either line. Thanks for all the knowledge share.

Guess I should clarify, I'm definitely not an audiophile. It sounds like you and I have similar buyers remorse thinking after a purchase of "what if" I would have bought the next bump up in the model line. Not that you said you were unhappy with what you have. And yes, like you mentioned the WAF is always a consideration.

I am still looking around to see if I can find a local store with both to listen to side-by-side but in the interim I'm leaning on the expertise in this forum to steer me in the right direction. If I have to go to two different stores to hear each separately it might make a difficult comparison but at least I'll know if both were pleasing.

If you can't find a local store to listen to them, you should indicate where you live and maybe somebody on here lives close by and would let you listen to their RCs or Veritas.

As requested here are some of my impressions on RC70s to V6.3s. I have to mention that I didn't have both at the same time (one set went out and the new one went in) and added a new amp (emotiva XPA-3) at the same time as the V6.3s.

IMHO the V6.3s are better. Maybe slightly but overall better. To clear up something that has come up the V6.3s are NOT bright, just more so than the RC-70s, also they are not forward sounding , once again just a little more than the RC-70s. The sound from both is very similar and if you only had limited exposure to both you would be hard pressed to pick them out. I find a mix of RC and V series work well in a HT application. The most noticable improvements are imaging, sound stage, and low bass. The fix and finish is considerably better.

For those of you considering both price is a factor. I paid $1250each CND for my RC-70s 4 years ago and got the V6.3s as a warranty replacement. At local prices $1950 CND each I would be hesitant to buy as there are lots of options at that price. I think a good/fair price would be 1300-1400. When I got the RC70 I felt that was a fair price and feel the V6.3 are worth more. You have to decide what the upgrade is worth to you and what you can get the speakers at now. If I had to give advice is if you have the budget for the V6.3s go for it. If you are looking at these because of the sale prices then the RC-70s would be the way to go. In other words if you were looking for speakers in general and had a budget of ~$3000 go for the V series when not compared to the deep discounts of the RC-70s they are worth it. If you looking for speakers because the great price then the RC-70s are for you as they are the better deal.

Below I am going to cut and paste some of my old comments on the V series:

[i]I went from RC-70s t Veritas 6.3s and still have RC10s and LCR and can confirm they do have the Energy sound. They are very similiar sounding to the RC line. Same type of construction in TWeeter and woofer.

To my ears the Veritas sounds as good or better then the RC-70s. I added an external amp at the same time so can't see for sure if improvement is because of that. However there are enough techical improvement in the Veritas to say they are better though I doubt you could tell unless you had them at the same time. The overall quality of construction is quite better. As a single guy I did not have to worry about WAF and got the rosenet that don't match anything else and stick out like a sore thumb but a gorgeous sore thumb.

I have never heard or seen the 5.1 but don't like they have a smaller woofer than the RC-10 and with such a small cabinet how many significant improvement could have been made.

I went from RC-70s t Veritas 6.3s and still have RC10s and LCR and can confirm they do have the Energy sound. They are very similiar sounding to the RC line. Same type of construction in TWeeter and woofer.

To my ears the Veritas sounds as good or better then the RC-70s. I added an external amp at the same time so can't see for sure if improvement is because of that. However there are enough techical improvement in the Veritas to say they are better though I doubt you could tell unless you had them at the same time. The overall quality of construction is quite better. As a single guy I did not have to worry about WAF and got the rosenet that don't match anything else and stick out like a sore thumb but a gorgeous sore thumb.

I have never heard or seen the 5.1 but don't like they have a smaller woofer than the RC-10 and with such a small cabinet how many significant improvement could have been made.



Ok, I was in the same possiton and did take the 6.3s. Have the LCR and 10s. I don't find any mismatch at all to the 6.3s. As far as being brighter that is hard to tell without having them both at the same time. If they are brighter it is slight if at all. Check the audioholic review I linked earlier today. If you run audessey or other correction then I boubt you will hear a difference even if there is any. For movies I have a hard time hearing much of a difference to the 70s. For music in 2ch I hear more of a difference all for the better. Better imaging, soundstage, and deeper tigher bass. I did find I had to play around with spacing and toe in compared to where the 70s were to get the most out of them. I also find I like the 6.3s without any eq better then the 70s which I always ran with eq on. One thing though is that I run a external amp now that I did not with the 70s so some of the improvement might be from that.

It is upto you but I would and did take the upgrade. In my mind it IS an upgrade over the 70s. I also think the 70s looked better with the grills off but the 6.3 finnish is much nicer. If you do get them remember to do the break in as I found a big difference in sound as they loosened up.



Well the worst thing going against the new Veritas line is that the RC can still be found at deep discounts. The RC 70 were $1250 for a long time and the 6.3 at $1650 is not that bad. If you read this review http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...3-introduction it sounds like they are more different then it appears to the RCs. Woofers same sized but not the same woofer as it is heavier. 51/2 mid in the RC 5 1/4 mid in the Veritas. Dimensions are different. Internal structure is quite different with the tweeter and mid range woofer in thier own compartment creating a sealed enviroment. I went from the 70s to the 6.3s and honestly they sound better but as with most incremental improvements it is hard to compare without having both at the same time. When the RCs are gone and we see some decent sales on the Veritas I think people will warm to them. The real downside to the new ones is they have absolutely higher end finish which unfortunately we will have to pay for but have no affect on the quality of sound.

Doesn't a good personal opinion consist of some personal experience when someone specifically asks for it?
Not a real productive day here, especially considering how important Rememberance Day is in the whole scheme of things.

I would say they are either equal or slight sound edge to the V6.3s not the other way around.

"would a rose by any other name not smell as sweet?" or something like that. Anyways I sort of agree with you and is why I call the V series not the other name

HammerDE,

are you in the USA or somewhere else? Vanns will have the RC-70 for $599 and they are supposed to get the inventory in stock on 11/15 which is Tuesday. I dunno if the price difference matters to you or not.

Of course the gloss Rosenut on the V series is really sweet and you can't find RC-70s in rosenut anymore.

Thank You Calgary! This is exactly what was needed. Thanks for the effort and time!

Thanks CalgaryCowboy and others for their input. Looks like the $749 price for V6.3 is the way to go since its = to RC-70. Now I'm off to locate and listen before pulling the trigger.
BTW, I'm in Newark, Delaware in case someone wanted to offer a demo. I'll bring the beer (but only if you say its ok ).

Darn it afrogt, just when I thought I had my mind set . I think for the $150 difference, Calgary's response and the finish on the V, I'll pay the premium uplift but appreciate you looking out for me in the better pricing!

Vanns sale has ended. Could you share where you can get them for $750?