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Originally Posted by CalgaryCowboy

As requested here are some of my impressions on RC70s to V6.3s. I have to mention that I didn't have both at the same time (one set went out and the new one went in) and added a new amp (emotiva XPA-3) at the same time as the V6.3s.

IMHO the V6.3s are better. Maybe slightly but overall better. To clear up something that has come up the V6.3s are NOT bright, just more so than the RC-70s, also they are not forward sounding , once again just a little more than the RC-70s. The sound from both is very similar and if you only had limited exposure to both you would be hard pressed to pick them out. I find a mix of RC and V series work well in a HT application. The most noticable improvements are imaging, sound stage, and low bass. The fix and finish is considerably better.

For those of you considering both price is a factor. I paid $1250each CND for my RC-70s 4 years ago and got the V6.3s as a warranty replacement. At local prices $1950 CND each I would be hesitant to buy as there are lots of options at that price. I think a good/fair price would be 1300-1400. When I got the RC70 I felt that was a fair price and feel the V6.3 are worth more. You have to decide what the upgrade is worth to you and what you can get the speakers at now. If I had to give advice is if you have the budget for the V6.3s go for it. If you are looking at these because of the sale prices then the RC-70s would be the way to go. In other words if you were looking for speakers in general and had a budget of ~$3000 go for the V series when not compared to the deep discounts of the RC-70s they are worth it. If you looking for speakers because the great price then the RC-70s are for you as they are the better deal.

Below I am going to cut and paste some of my old comments on the V series:

[i]I went from RC-70s t Veritas 6.3s and still have RC10s and LCR and can confirm they do have the Energy sound. They are very similiar sounding to the RC line. Same type of construction in TWeeter and woofer.

To my ears the Veritas sounds as good or better then the RC-70s. I added an external amp at the same time so can't see for sure if improvement is because of that. However there are enough techical improvement in the Veritas to say they are better though I doubt you could tell unless you had them at the same time. The overall quality of construction is quite better. As a single guy I did not have to worry about WAF and got the rosenet that don't match anything else and stick out like a sore thumb but a gorgeous sore thumb.

I have never heard or seen the 5.1 but don't like they have a smaller woofer than the RC-10 and with such a small cabinet how many significant improvement could have been made.

I went from RC-70s t Veritas 6.3s and still have RC10s and LCR and can confirm they do have the Energy sound. They are very similiar sounding to the RC line. Same type of construction in TWeeter and woofer.

To my ears the Veritas sounds as good or better then the RC-70s. I added an external amp at the same time so can't see for sure if improvement is because of that. However there are enough techical improvement in the Veritas to say they are better though I doubt you could tell unless you had them at the same time. The overall quality of construction is quite better. As a single guy I did not have to worry about WAF and got the rosenet that don't match anything else and stick out like a sore thumb but a gorgeous sore thumb.

I have never heard or seen the 5.1 but don't like they have a smaller woofer than the RC-10 and with such a small cabinet how many significant improvement could have been made.



Ok, I was in the same possiton and did take the 6.3s. Have the LCR and 10s. I don't find any mismatch at all to the 6.3s. As far as being brighter that is hard to tell without having them both at the same time. If they are brighter it is slight if at all. Check the audioholic review I linked earlier today. If you run audessey or other correction then I boubt you will hear a difference even if there is any. For movies I have a hard time hearing much of a difference to the 70s. For music in 2ch I hear more of a difference all for the better. Better imaging, soundstage, and deeper tigher bass. I did find I had to play around with spacing and toe in compared to where the 70s were to get the most out of them. I also find I like the 6.3s without any eq better then the 70s which I always ran with eq on. One thing though is that I run a external amp now that I did not with the 70s so some of the improvement might be from that.

It is upto you but I would and did take the upgrade. In my mind it IS an upgrade over the 70s. I also think the 70s looked better with the grills off but the 6.3 finnish is much nicer. If you do get them remember to do the break in as I found a big difference in sound as they loosened up.



Well the worst thing going against the new Veritas line is that the RC can still be found at deep discounts. The RC 70 were $1250 for a long time and the 6.3 at $1650 is not that bad. If you read this review http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...3-introduction it sounds like they are more different then it appears to the RCs. Woofers same sized but not the same woofer as it is heavier. 51/2 mid in the RC 5 1/4 mid in the Veritas. Dimensions are different. Internal structure is quite different with the tweeter and mid range woofer in thier own compartment creating a sealed enviroment. I went from the 70s to the 6.3s and honestly they sound better but as with most incremental improvements it is hard to compare without having both at the same time. When the RCs are gone and we see some decent sales on the Veritas I think people will warm to them. The real downside to the new ones is they have absolutely higher end finish which unfortunately we will have to pay for but have no affect on the quality of sound.

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Originally Posted by jjl4004
Your budget consideration went from $400 to $1,850 in one day!

If you can get a LCR and those RC-50s from the link I posted in your other thread, you could use the $600 additional dollars you would spend on the RC-70s to get a GREAT sub (Hsu, Outlaw, etc) and all of your problems would be solved.

+1

A good sub will allow your RC-50s (if you got them) to open up more and like jjl4004 said, you'd have enough money to get a top-notch subwoofer too.

Originally Posted by chicagoman

I know, it was quite a jump. I guess I realized that if I'm going to go through the hassle and do anything that I want to do it right and not have to worry about the decision anytime soon. That said I'm still on the fence and probably will be for a little while. I watched a few shows last night and honestly the take classic isn't all that bad. Having said that I've never auditioned any of the energy RC speakers let alone towers like the RC-70's so I really don't know what I'm missing. It's hard for me to quantify the jump in quality from the take classics to the RC-50/70's with a RC-LCR for the center. Maybe the difference in quality something you all could help shed some light on. I know that it will be a huge jump, I'd just having a hard time wrapping my head around it without any direct experience. I don't want to spend $1,500 on 2 RC-70's and a RC-LCR and then decide it wasn't worth it.

I'm no audiophile like I've said before however I appreciate a quality product and if I'm going to spend the money on something I'd like to by the best option for my budget or buy nothing at all. Hard to say what I'll do, I guess I'll make a decision once Vann's has the RC-70's in stock. With the pricing people are getting on the Veritas right now it seems that even if I miss out on the RC-70's I can at some point down the road pickup some V-6.3's for a halfway decent price.

Haven't heard back from the craiglist ad yet on the RC-50's. My guess is that they're sold but we'll see I guess.

Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous

Congrats man! Where did you get them from?

I'm not sure how to lay it out. Hmmm. I started with the Take Classics and they were a jump above my Philips HTIB... Then I got a smaller set of the C-series (CF-30 as mains) and that was a huge jump. It was awesome. Then I got the CF-70s and was super impressed. Sold my C-series speakers and had the RC-10 and RC-LCR with Takes as surrounds. Incredible transformation. Got lucky and found a really nice pair of RC-50s for a great price and now I have a huge system featuring 5/7 being RC speakers. I look forward to coming home from work to see my daughter and wife, and after I give them both a kiss I sit down and turn on some music on my beautiful speakers I would never go back. Like you said, the jump between the Takes and the RCs won't be able to be comprehended until you hear them for yourself.

Originally Posted by RogerHelmy

Future Shop... they are on sale this week down from $200 to $150.

Now I just need the center


I want to get on that Newegg deal for the RC Micros to use two as my rear surrounds, but not sure how hard/easy it will be to sell 2 sats and the center separately.

Originally Posted by chicagoman

Thanks, that helps a lot. I use the system for probably half tv shows/movies and the other half music played at relatively low levels. I'm hoping that with the shows/movies I'll see a huge improvement in dialog with the new center speaker. Then, when listening to 2 channel audio I'll see a big improvement in the overall quality even at low listening levels. Does that sound about right? Probably a stupid question but I suppose that both the RC-LCR and the RC-50/70 would be set as large speakers in the receiver? Then I'd just have the crossover set to 60-80 and have the sub handle anything under that frequency? Assuming this is all correct I'm guessing the sub I've got would be fine for a while considering it's not too often that I really crank the volume.

Originally Posted by chicagoman

Thanks, that helps a lot. I use the system for probably half tv shows/movies and the other half music played at relatively low levels. I'm hoping that with the shows/movies I'll see a huge improvement in dialog with the new center speaker. Then, when listening to 2 channel audio I'll see a big improvement in the overall quality even at low listening levels. Does that sound about right? Probably a stupid question but I suppose that both the RC-LCR and the RC-50/70 would be set as large speakers in the receiver? Then I'd just have the crossover set to 60-80 and have the sub handle anything under that frequency? Assuming this is all correct I'm guessing the sub I've got would be fine for a while considering it's not too often that I really crank the volume.

Originally Posted by chicagoman

Thanks, that helps a lot. I use the system for probably half tv shows/movies and the other half music played at relatively low levels. I'm hoping that with the shows/movies I'll see a huge improvement in dialog with the new center speaker. Then, when listening to 2 channel audio I'll see a big improvement in the overall quality even at low listening levels. Does that sound about right? Probably a stupid question but I suppose that both the RC-LCR and the RC-50/70 would be set as large speakers in the receiver? Then I'd just have the crossover set to 60-80 and have the sub handle anything under that frequency? Assuming this is all correct I'm guessing the sub I've got would be fine for a while considering it's not too often that I really crank the volume.

Originally Posted by darcman

Here in Canada there isnt alot of choices for subs unless you have a fat wallet. I tied to find something used on Craigs or Canuck Audio Mart and all I can say is good luck.
I ended up getting off of Ebay 2 subs. I wanted to get something that kicked butt and didnt take up a whole lot of real estate. Anyways I first got a Velodyne SPL1000-R. then got the SPL1200-R.
The amp went out on the SPL1200-R so I was looking for another sub until I get it fixed. I actually had picked up an Energy ESW-V8 in the spring, but even for music with the 70s you need 2 V8s. The V8 is also very limited for movies, just isnt enough.
I almost bought a minty used Velodyne DSL5000 for $350 but I started reading some reviews and the amps werent lasting. It would have been great for the money but If the amp is going to fry, forget about it.
Then when the ebay brand new local Energy S12.3 fell into my lap for $450, I jumped on it. I think its super for the money. The next step would have been an SVS SB12-NSD for $340 more in Canada.
I really like the S12.3 though, but just like all the reviews said the blue power light has quit after only a few weeks. Does anyone know what it would take to fix it and can I do it myself? I read somewhere here on the forum about it being a led module or something like that. Is it easy to replace and would Energy still have them?

This is my prediction of cheap sales on the 70s. I dont think alot of dealers are going to get them, maybe only Vanns. I believe as long as they have stock of the 70s you probably wont see Vanns putting the Veritas on sale. It kinda depends how well the 70s move, you may see them drop maybe say $200 to around $1000 a pair but thats about it. I know thats a whole lota maybes, just a guess.

One more thing, the one possible drawback of the glossy Veritas is the maintenance. They will be alot harder to keep clean. I hate dusting and even if you dont, I wonder how the finish will hold up over time.

Originally Posted by losservatore

http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=...&rnid=15784691

I found this store name (HIDEF Lifestyle) on amazon they Have the veritas 6.3 for 749.00 free shipping
the veritas v5.2 center speaker for 349.00 free shipping
veritas 6.2 $549 free shipping

just make sure if they are energy authorize dealers.

Originally Posted by scotsomuni

RC-LCR vs. V-5.2-C

I have had the pleasure to own both the RC-LCR and the V-5.2-C for a couple weeks now and have a chance to compare them both. Keep in mind, I am no audiophilejust a guy who loves music, movies, and great sound. While both are excellent speakers, the V-5.2-C is a clear winner and produces a noticeably more refined sound with crystal clear detailand even moreso after breaking them in. I found this to be especially evident when you are listening to music, whether it's acoustic guitar, jazz, classical, etc. For movies and Blu-rays, I find the difference was less noticeable. Some have described the Veritas as brighter and more forward sounding than the RC's, but to be clear as CalgaryCowboy already said, neither the RCs or the Veritas are bright or forward soundingjust that the Veritas may be slightly moreso compared to the RC's.

Both the build and aesthetics of the V-5.2-C is in a whole different league than the RC-LCRin one word, it's stunning. The beautiful wood and finish (either piano black or piano rosenut) is on par with speakers that are many time more expensive. I originally ordered the piano black V-6.3s. They were beautiful especially with the covers off. It's so black and glossy that you almost don't even see the wood grains. However after seeing photos of the rosenut, I decided that I preferred the look of the rosenut and I liked being able to clearly see the wood grains under the high gloss. IMHO, it seemed to give it a little more character and a more unique look than the piano black. Once the rosenut came, I have absolutely no regrets swapping them out. I find that the rosenut finish is more bold and loud and something that is meant to be seen and showcased in your home. My wife saw both and without question, she loves the rosenut more. This is obviously a personal preference and my personal opinion, as both are extremely beautiful and classy in their own way. The RC line has a very nice matte finish with real furniture grade wood. It is much more subtle, which may be attractive to some people who want to hear their speakers and not see them.

Some other differences to note are that the RC-LCR is slightly bigger than then V-5.2-C. The RC-LCR can also be used both horizontally or vertically whereas the V-5.2-C is meant to be used horizontally. This may be useful for people wanting to match the front soundstage with three (3) of the same speakers (All RC-LCRs). The RC-LCR also has two (2) 5-1/2 woofers whereas the V-5.2-C has two (2) 5-1/4 woofers which may give the RC-LCR a bassier sound.

I personally would recommend the Veritas line over the RCs if it is within your budget. This is especially true if you might sell them in the future as the Veritas will hold their value better. With the given deals and price-matching out there for the Veritas being so close to the price of the RCs, I would not hesitate to jump on these Veritas. They are truly a pleasure to listen to and look at. I plan on enjoying these for many years to come.

Originally Posted by losservatore

found this picture of the veritas 6.3 in black piano, I couldn't take better pictures of mine but this ones are the best I found online.this speaker are really taller than what they look in this picture.

Originally Posted by scotsomuni

RC-LCR vs. V-5.2-C



Some other differences to note are that the RC-LCR is slightly bigger than then V-5.2-C. The RC-LCR can also be used both horizontally or vertically whereas the V-5.2-C is meant to be used horizontally. This may be useful for people wanting to match the front soundstage with three (3) of the same speakers (All RC-LCRs). The RC-LCR also has two (2) 5-1/2 woofers whereas the V-5.2-C has two (2) 5-1/4 woofers which may give the RC-LCR a bassier sound.

I personally would recommend the Veritas line over the RCs if it is within your budget. This is especially true if you might sell them in the future as the Veritas will hold their value better. With the given deals and price-matching out there for the Veritas being so close to the price of the RCs, I would not hesitate to jump on these Veritas. They are truly a pleasure to listen to and look at. I plan on enjoying these for many years to come.

Originally Posted by caper_1

To Canada:
Order Summary
Items (2 X V6.3): $1,498.00
Shipping & Handling: $562.00
-------------------------------------------
Total Before Tax: $2,060.00
Estimated Tax To Be Collected:* $0.00

Originally Posted by aassad1

Offering sexual favors...

Originally Posted by scotsomuni

RC-LCR vs. V-5.2-C

I have had the pleasure to own both the RC-LCR and the V-5.2-C for a couple weeks now and have a chance to compare them both. Keep in mind, I am no audiophilejust a guy who loves music, movies, and great sound. While both are excellent speakers, the V-5.2-C is a clear winner and produces a noticeably more refined sound with crystal clear detailand even moreso after breaking them in. I found this to be especially evident when you are listening to music, whether it's acoustic guitar, jazz, classical, etc. For movies and Blu-rays, I find the difference was less noticeable. Some have described the Veritas as brighter and more forward sounding than the RC's, but to be clear as CalgaryCowboy already said, neither the RCs or the Veritas are bright or forward soundingjust that the Veritas may be slightly moreso compared to the RC's.

Both the build and aesthetics of the V-5.2-C is in a whole different league than the RC-LCRin one word, it's stunning. The beautiful wood and finish (either piano black or piano rosenut) is on par with speakers that are many time more expensive. I originally ordered the piano black V-6.3s. They were beautiful especially with the covers off. It's so black and glossy that you almost don't even see the wood grains. However after seeing photos of the rosenut, I decided that I preferred the look of the rosenut and I liked being able to clearly see the wood grains under the high gloss. IMHO, it seemed to give it a little more character and a more unique look than the piano black. Once the rosenut came, I have absolutely no regrets swapping them out. I find that the rosenut finish is more bold and loud and something that is meant to be seen and showcased in your home. My wife saw both and without question, she loves the rosenut more. This is obviously a personal preference and my personal opinion, as both are extremely beautiful and classy in their own way. The RC line has a very nice matte finish with real furniture grade wood. It is much more subtle, which may be attractive to some people who want to hear their speakers and not see them.

Some other differences to note are that the RC-LCR is slightly bigger than then V-5.2-C. The RC-LCR can also be used both horizontally or vertically whereas the V-5.2-C is meant to be used horizontally. This may be useful for people wanting to match the front soundstage with three (3) of the same speakers (All RC-LCRs). The RC-LCR also has two (2) 5-1/2 woofers whereas the V-5.2-C has two (2) 5-1/4 woofers which may give the RC-LCR a bassier sound.

I personally would recommend the Veritas line over the RCs if it is within your budget. This is especially true if you might sell them in the future as the Veritas will hold their value better. With the given deals and price-matching out there for the Veritas being so close to the price of the RCs, I would not hesitate to jump on these Veritas. They are truly a pleasure to listen to and look at. I plan on enjoying these for many years to come.

Originally Posted by scotsomuni

RC-LCR vs. V-5.2-C

I have had the pleasure to own both the RC-LCR and the V-5.2-C for a couple weeks now and have a chance to compare them both. Keep in mind, I am no audiophile…just a guy who loves music, movies, and great sound. While both are excellent speakers, the V-5.2-C is a clear winner and produces a noticeably more refined sound with crystal clear detail…and even moreso after breaking them in. I found this to be especially evident when you are listening to music, whether it’s acoustic guitar, jazz, classical, etc. For movies and Blu-rays, I find the difference was less noticeable. Some have described the Veritas as brighter and more forward sounding than the RC’s, but to be clear as CalgaryCowboy already said, neither the RCs or the Veritas are bright or forward sounding…just that the Veritas may be slightly moreso compared to the RC’s.

Both the build and aesthetics of the V-5.2-C is in a whole different league than the RC-LCR…in one word, it’s stunning. The beautiful wood and finish (either piano black or piano rosenut) is on par with speakers that are many time more expensive. I originally ordered the piano black V-6.3s. They were beautiful especially with the covers off. It’s so black and glossy that you almost don’t even see the wood grains. However after seeing photos of the rosenut, I decided that I preferred the look of the rosenut and I liked being able to clearly see the wood grains under the high gloss. IMHO, it seemed to give it a little more character and a more unique look than the piano black. Once the rosenut came, I have absolutely no regrets swapping them out. I find that the rosenut finish is more bold and loud and something that is meant to be seen and showcased in your home. My wife saw both and without question, she loves the rosenut more. This is obviously a personal preference and my personal opinion, as both are extremely beautiful and classy in their own way. The RC line has a very nice matte finish with real furniture grade wood. It is much more subtle, which may be attractive to some people who want to hear their speakers and not see them.

Some other differences to note are that the RC-LCR is slightly bigger than then V-5.2-C. The RC-LCR can also be used both horizontally or vertically whereas the V-5.2-C is meant to be used horizontally. This may be useful for people wanting to match the front soundstage with three (3) of the same speakers (All RC-LCRs). The RC-LCR also has two (2) 5-1/2” woofers whereas the V-5.2-C has two (2) 5-1/4” woofers which may give the RC-LCR a bassier sound.

I personally would recommend the Veritas line over the RCs if it is within your budget. This is especially true if you might sell them in the future as the Veritas will hold their value better. With the given deals and price-matching out there for the Veritas being so close to the price of the RCs, I would not hesitate to jump on these Veritas. They are truly a pleasure to listen to and look at. I plan on enjoying these for many years to come.

Originally Posted by HammerDE

I called 3 of the web sellers recently mentioned in this thread that are selling the v6.3 at discount prices. Left a message on voicemail for hidef over an hour ago, could not get through the telephone system prompts at SoundEarphones and Vann's will not budge on matching less than what Hidef webite is listing. The Vann's guy was very nice but said the 749 price was lowest he could offer.

Lacking a call back from Hidef, (I'll call again too) any suggestions for negotiating with Vann's to go lower or is that pretty much rock-bottom? I'm wondering how you guys were successful with getting $600/ea.

Originally Posted by deano86

Just curious what your setup consists of?.... Receiver/Amp/sound processor etc. And did you rerun Audyssey/redo sound levels after swapping?

Originally Posted by deano86

Just curious what your setup consists of?.... Receiver/Amp/sound processor etc. And did you rerun Audyssey/redo sound levels after swapping?

Originally Posted by realjetavenger

Excellent review and further proof that at the right price the veritas line is a worthy successor to the RC line.
I wonder about the orientation of the 5.2-C. Energy states the LCR can be positioned vertically or horizontally but do not specify that with the 5.2-C. However, it is an m-t-m design with all three speakers in alignment. So why would it not work when standing vertically? Unless there is something about that tweeter that when positioned horizontally it has a very wide but narrow (from floor to ceiling) dispersion pattern that would not lend itself to verticle orientation?

Originally Posted by aassad1

Along with Hank's comment I was listening to a cd by Wynton and Ellis Marsalis called Joe Cool's Blues this morning and I was blown away by the clarity, absolutely blown away. The CD is the two of them doing songs from Peanuts (charlie brown) and it is actually pretty good. But speaking more to the speakers, I could pick out when the drummer was rubbing a "brush stick" (I don't know what its actually called) on the top of his snare drum to create texture in the music. I'm thinking I may need to get a higher powered reciever or maybe an emotiva xpa-3 to really do these bad boys justice though.

Originally Posted by neutro

Even if you are prepared to pay these preposterous shipping and handling fees (because let's face it, even including them, it's almost half the price of what you can get in Canada), be sure to ask HiDef that they will, in fact, ship those to Canada. I'm pretty sure that Authorized Energy Dealers in the US are prohibited from shipping to Canada. For example, Amazon.com and Vann's refuse to ship Energy speakers to Canada.