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post #33601 of 47733
yes I notice that too,,,the veritas needs a little more power,they don't sound as loud as the RC-50s with my denon avr 1911 receiver... I have to push a little more the receiver volume to get the right sound.at volumes around 60 the speaker don't even move.
post #33602 of 47733
I am running an XPA-3 with the V6.3s and it is a nice set up. Never have run them just off the AVR so don't know the difference. If you can get the XPA-5 I regret only getting the three. Someday I want to add on more emotiva amp but would like to get the XPA-2 just for the towers. If I were to do it again I would get the XPA-5 and add a XPA-2 later.

You know Emotiva is having there Christmas sale right?

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Originally Posted by aassad1 View Post

Along with Hank's comment I was listening to a cd by Wynton and Ellis Marsalis called Joe Cool's Blues this morning and I was blown away by the clarity, absolutely blown away. The CD is the two of them doing songs from Peanuts (charlie brown) and it is actually pretty good. But speaking more to the speakers, I could pick out when the drummer was rubbing a "brush stick" (I don't know what its actually called) on the top of his snare drum to create texture in the music. I'm thinking I may need to get a higher powered reciever or maybe an emotiva xpa-3 to really do these bad boys justice though.
post #33603 of 47733
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Originally Posted by CalgaryCowboy View Post

I recieved an email from energy stating that the warranty is only valid if bought from an authorized dealer in the country purchased. I am hoping for a boxing day sale or at least a repeat of the $600 sale recently at FS. It sucks that I will be in the US for boxing day and won't be able to buy in store.

I have done both online and going into the stores for a few Boxing Days now. I must say that online is a pleasant experience. I have always received my items on the 27th or the 28th, they truly know what they are doing when it comes to moving product. I have ordered both RC-50's and RC-70's along with all kinds of other smaller items, and they have always arrived in mint condition and the orders were all complete.
post #33604 of 47733
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Originally Posted by CalgaryCowboy View Post

I am running an XPA-3 with the V6.3s and it is a nice set up. Never have run them just off the AVR so don't know the difference. If you can get the XPA-5 I regret only getting the three. Someday I want to add on more emotiva amp but would like to get the XPA-2 just for the towers. If I were to do it again I would get the XPA-5 and add a XPA-2 later.

You know Emotiva is having there Christmas sale right?

The question is will the fiance buy me one haha.
post #33605 of 47733
Last year the RC-70s were sold out online right away but at 1:00 I still saw some in store. The Rosenet center is online only so hopefully I get lucky. I am planning on seeing what goes on sale. If the 6.3s are on crazy sale I might just get those for surrounds and keep the RC-LCR. I am hoping to complete my energy 7 channel this year. On the 26th I will see what I can get at FS and what I can get and take with me from vanns (leaving Jan 1) and take the plunge. If every thing works out I will be broke but have V6.3s fronts v5.2 center v6.3s surrounds and RC-LCR backs. RC-10s will be put away until I have a use for them. If not that then something else. I am hoping to get my polks out and go all energy.

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Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous View Post

I have done both online and going into the stores for a few Boxing Days now. I must say that online is a pleasant experience. I have always received my items on the 27th or the 28th, they truly know what they are doing when it comes to moving product. I have ordered both RC-50's and RC-70's along with all kinds of other smaller items, and they have always arrived in mint condition and the orders were all complete.
post #33606 of 47733
I have the Pioneer Elite SC-37 and was thinking of buying the V-6.3s...will just the SC-37 be enough to drive them, or would I need to purchase an external amp also?
post #33607 of 47733
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Originally Posted by CalgaryCowboy View Post

Last year the RC-70s were sold out online right away but at 1:00 I still saw some in store. The Rosenet center is online only so hopefully I get lucky. I am planning on seeing what goes on sale. If the 6.3s are on crazy sale I might just get those for surrounds and keep the RC-LCR. I am hoping to complete my energy 7 channel this year. On the 26th I will see what I can get at FS and what I can get and take with me from vanns (leaving Jan 1) and take the plunge. If every thing works out I will be broke but have V6.3s fronts v5.2 center v6.3s surrounds and RC-LCR backs. RC-10s will be put away until I have a use for them. If not that then something else. I am hoping to get my polks out and go all energy.

I was one of the guys that got a set of RC-70's on Boxing Day online. I also got the "last" set of RC-70's in Ontario and most of Canada (Future Shop) in January.
Good luck with getting your seven channel setup completed with awesome gear! That would sound incredible. Broke is only temporary, the sound will last for years, right?! What I have found is that towers usually go on sale for BD, the centres don't. I think this is on purpose, but they do have killer deals on towers so I can't complain. Just keep your eyes open during the rest of the year for that centre.
post #33608 of 47733
That should be fine. Just speakers like the V6.3s, RC-70s and many bigger speaker like the power you can only get from an external amp. I added one just to get that extra little performance out of them. I don't think it is needed with these speakers but is nice.

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Originally Posted by TyatNU82 View Post

I have the Pioneer Elite SC-37 and was thinking of buying the V-6.3s...will just the SC-37 be enough to drive them, or would I need to purchase an external amp also?
post #33609 of 47733
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Originally Posted by TyatNU82 View Post

I have the Pioneer Elite SC-37 and was thinking of buying the V-6.3s...will just the SC-37 be enough to drive them, or would I need to purchase an external amp also?

I am not sure. Class D amps might not be the best pairing with this kind of speaker. I have only heard the Pioneers in a store setting and not at home. If I didn't already have a Pioneer, and already had the Veritas, I wouldn't put it on my short list of receivers.
Regardless, I would want a seperate amp anyways, so no receiver would be optimal in my opinion.
post #33610 of 47733
the bottom line is it's impossible to predict what the answer is, our responses are just half-educated conjecture. Try it and see (hear) for yourself, and if you need to add an amp to get a little extra clarity at big volumes then you always do that later.

that said I would be shocked if the SC-37 wasn't sufficient, it has tons of power and is THX Ultra2 certified so you know it can handle lower impedance speakers, unlike some more entry-level receivers. It bench tested extremely well, that is no flyweight receiver: http://www.hometheater.com/content/p...-labs-measures
post #33611 of 47733
Interesting. Hank wondering what it is with the Veritas (the new ones not the vintage) that makes you think this. Not that I think you are wrong just curious

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Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous View Post

I am not sure. Class D amps might not be the best pairing with this kind of speaker. I have only heard the Pioneers in a store setting and not at home. If I didn't already have a Pioneer, and already had the Veritas, I wouldn't put it on my short list of receivers.
Regardless, I would want a seperate amp anyways, so no receiver would be optimal in my opinion.
post #33612 of 47733
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

the bottom line is it's impossible to predict what the answer is, our responses are just half-educated conjecture. Try it and see (hear) for yourself, and if you need to add an amp to get a little extra clarity at big volumes then you always do that later.

that said I would be shocked if the SC-37 wasn't sufficient, it has tons of power and is THX Ultra2 certified so you know it can handle lower impedance speakers, unlike some more entry-level receivers. It bench tested extremely well, that is no flyweight receiver: http://www.hometheater.com/content/p...-labs-measures

My Denon 3808 sucked with my Veritas. The reciever was the same power, but I realize the speakers were more demanding.
Class D amps were known for great bass (car amps) but lacked in detail for higher frequencies. Of course try it, but I wouldn't come up with that combination if I had the choice of anything (reasonable) I wanted.
post #33613 of 47733
Just had an interesting conversation with a salesman from Hidef on the V6.3's. Bottom line was I almost felt that he just wanted to get rid of his inventory. This was due (so he went on to explain) to Energy changing direction of not being internet sales exclusive to Vann's and Hidef Lifestyle and now giving slashed pricing to other authorized dealers. Since Energy won't retro the price HiDef paid, it sounds like their competitors may soon be carrying the line at even deeper discounts. So in order not to make a bad situation worse, he asked me to make him an offer. I mentioned what others were claiming to get, $600/ea. He didn't even flinch and said ok. He didn't pressure me to buy it today and said they should be there tomorrow if I want to think about it. To quote he said, "It's not like they're flying off the shelf". Not wanting to take the chance of waiting, I went and placed the order.

Unfortunately Hidef did not have the matching 5.2c in rosenut but he could sell me the piano black for as low as $300. I thought about going that route but for $50 more at Vann's (from an earlier phone call to them) I decided to keep the front three matched in finish and placed my order for the 5.2 through Vann's.

Not that I have buyers remorse, I'm now wondering how much lower these will drop in the near future. I know you can't price protect forever but it makes one give pause.....
post #33614 of 47733
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Originally Posted by CalgaryCowboy View Post

Interesting. Hank wondering what it is with the Veritas (the new ones not the vintage) that makes you think this. Not that I think you are wrong just curious

I have had some experience with Class D amps. Older ones mind you, but I don't know if a lot has changed. They are effiecient and run very cool, that's for sure. Maybe the new ones are better and would be fine, I just know I wouldn't start with one on purpose. I'm not trashing anything though.
post #33615 of 47733
^^^ @ Hammer -- I wouldn't worry about it, I doubt they go much lower than $1000/pr. Maybe one magical weekend there will be some $800/pr woot blowout like what happened with the RC-70's...

but look at it this way.... let's say in 4 months they end up being $200 cheaper ($1000 pair). Would your really trade that 200 bucks for the 4 months of enjoyment of those beautiful speakers? IMO that's a pretty cheap "rental fee" for having gotten them much earlier than you would have otherwise. They are clearly a steal of a value even at $1200/pr.
post #33616 of 47733
Wow very interesting...I just don't see how they can continue to sell these at $600 (I mean less than that to seller) and make money unless they are getting rid of stock.

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Originally Posted by HammerDE View Post

Just had an interesting conversation with a salesman from Hidef on the V6.3's. Bottom line was I almost felt that he just wanted to get rid of his inventory. This was due (so he went on to explain) to Energy changing direction of not being internet sales exclusive to Vann's and Hidef Lifestyle and now giving slashed pricing to other authorized dealers. Since Energy won't retro the price HiDef paid, it sounds like their competitors may soon be carrying the line at even deeper discounts. So in order not to make a bad situation worse, he asked me to make him an offer. I mentioned what others were claiming to get, $600/ea. He didn't even flinch and said ok. He didn't pressure me to buy it today and said they should be there tomorrow if I want to think about it. To quote he said, "It's not like they're flying off the shelf". Not wanting to take the chance of waiting, I went and placed the order.

Unfortunately Hidef did not have the matching 5.2c in rosenut but he could sell me the piano black for as low as $300. I thought about going that route but for $50 more at Vann's (from an earlier phone call to them) I decided to keep the front three matched in finish and placed my order for the 5.2 through Vann's.

Not that I have buyers remorse, I'm now wondering how much lower these will drop in the near future. I know you can't price protect forever but it makes one give pause.....
post #33617 of 47733
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

^^^ @ Hammer -- I wouldn't worry about it, I doubt they go much lower than $1000/pr. Maybe one magical weekend there will be some $800/pr woot blowout like what happened with the RC-70's...

but look at it this way.... let's say in 4 months they end up being $200 cheaper ($1000 pair). Would your really trade that 200 bucks for the 4 months of enjoyment of those beautiful speakers? IMO that's a pretty cheap "rental fee" for having gotten them much earlier than you would have otherwise. They are clearly a steal of a value even at $1200/pr.

Agreed Batpig. Just hoping the sound is a noticeable improvement to the current setup. Maybe I'll stop reading this thread for a while in case the floor drops on the price. Ignorance is bliss
post #33618 of 47733
Wow! Could you imagine if almost everyone here were able to get Veritas! That would be awesome! If this keeps up, it might happen.
Can you imagine upgrading from a HTIB straight to a Veritas setup? Audiovox must be burning some bridges with their current sellers, if they are willing to cut Energy off like this. Lucky time to be a consumer.
post #33619 of 47733
If nothing else I could just pick up a pair of RC-10s and be done. Wonder if they would hassle me bring those on as carry on luggage to the plane.

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Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous View Post

I was one of the guys that got a set of RC-70's on Boxing Day online. I also got the "last" set of RC-70's in Ontario and most of Canada (Future Shop) in January.
Good luck with getting your seven channel setup completed with awesome gear! That would sound incredible. Broke is only temporary, the sound will last for years, right?! What I have found is that towers usually go on sale for BD, the centres don't. I think this is on purpose, but they do have killer deals on towers so I can't complain. Just keep your eyes open during the rest of the year for that centre.
post #33620 of 47733
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Originally Posted by CalgaryCowboy View Post

If nothing else I could just pick up a pair of RC-10s and be done. Wonder if they would hassle me bring those on as carry on luggage to the plane.

I can picture that going wrong. You strap them together to save space but the speakers end up looking like some explosive device.... hmm Some old lady next to you would yell "bomb!" and you'd never hear the end of it.
post #33621 of 47733
Funny how the V series when from the ugly step child of the energy line to the prom queen around here. Everybody wants her and she has lower her standards so everyone can have a date

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Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous View Post

Wow! Could you imagine if almost everyone here were able to get Veritas! That would be awesome! If this keeps up, it might happen.
Can you imagine upgrading from a HTIB straight to a Veritas setup? Audiovox must be burning some bridges with their current sellers, if they are willing to cut Energy off like this. Lucky time to be a consumer.
post #33622 of 47733
I didn't think it would be a problem if they are checking cameras and laptops to make sure they are functional this could be a hassle.

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Originally Posted by Macstatic View Post

I can picture that going wrong. You strap them together to save space but the speakers end up looking like some explosive device.... hmm Some old lady next to you would yell "bomb!" and you'd never hear the end of it.
post #33623 of 47733
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Originally Posted by CalgaryCowboy View Post

Funny how the V series when from the ugly step child of the energy line to the prom queen around here. Everybody wants her and she has lower her standards so everyone can have a date

HAHAHA Fantastic analogy!

Shows how much hype can change a general crowd's view of things. I find myself even being a bit drawn to [her] haha
post #33624 of 47733
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Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous View Post

Wow! Could you imagine if almost everyone here were able to get Veritas! That would be awesome! If this keeps up, it might happen.
Can you imagine upgrading from a HTIB straight to a Veritas setup? Audiovox must be burning some bridges with their current sellers, if they are willing to cut Energy off like this. Lucky time to be a consumer.

Well for americans at least. In the mean time we canadians still got no deals to speak of. Reading these recent discussions in the thread, I was thinking of upgrading my bookshelves to floorstanding speakers.

Now all my speakers are lousy C-series (hey, I think they sound great but reading all about your RC and Veritas setups is mouth-watering). So I wanted CF-70s because they seem to be much worthy of the upgrade than CF-30's or CF-50's.

Alas I only found the CF-70s in one store, luckily close to home. Their price is roughly the MSRP at 1050.00 for a pair -- very far from the incredible deals available in the US recently. So I waiting for a better occasion. Speaking with the salesman, it seems that paying cash I'd be able to lower the price a little bit, say to 900.00 a pair probably, before taxes.

FutureShop regularly offers interesting prices on Energy products, but they do not carry the CF-70. However they *do* carry the RC-70s and V6.3. At 1300$ and 1900$ *each*, respectively, they are not in the same ballpark *at all*. Of course if the RC-70's are sold at 600$ each in a FS sale, I'd be tempted, vs 525$ or even 450$ for the CF-70.

So what about mixing the RC-70s with C-series for the rest of a 5.1 / 7.1 setup? Is this even a good idea? Or should I wait and pile up my money for a pair of CF-70 considering that I have little bargaining power? Anyway I'll wait for Christmas, just in case.
post #33625 of 47733
I think it's less about hype and more about sales prices vs. the initial overinflated msrp...

although the fact that several folks have A/B'd vs. the RC's and reported the Veritas are in fact slightly better (or at worst equal) sonically has sure helped. I think everyone always love the aesthetics...
post #33626 of 47733
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I mentioned what others were claiming to get, $600/ea. He didn't even flinch and said ok. He didn't pressure me to buy it today and said they should be there tomorrow if I want to think about it. To quote he said, "It's not like they're flying off the shelf". Not wanting to take the chance of waiting, I went and placed the order.

If this is the case I can't think of a reason why I'd wait for Vann's to get the RC-70's in stock unless of course it means the prices of those will fall even lower than $600 a piece in the near future true. Does that seem logical or am I missing something?
post #33627 of 47733
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Originally Posted by CalgaryCowboy View Post

Funny how the V series when from the ugly step child of the energy line to the prom queen around here. Everybody wants her and she has lower her standards so everyone can have a date

ain't that funny....i used to own a pair but went in a different direction and got a pair of focal 836's. When I had the V's, the RC's were still the Holy Grail of this forum and I kept reading how the V's were a poor duplication...I'm glad folks have given them a shot. They are damn good....enjoy fellas and ladies....
post #33628 of 47733
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Originally Posted by CalgaryCowboy View Post

If nothing else I could just pick up a pair of RC-10s and be done. Wonder if they would hassle me bring those on as carry on luggage to the plane.

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Originally Posted by CalgaryCowboy View Post

Funny how the V series when from the ugly step child of the energy line to the prom queen around here. Everybody wants her and she has lower her standards so everyone can have a date

Nah, you want the whole Veritas setup!

I have always loved the new Veritas as an Energy speaker. Just not as a Veritas speaker at full price.
I am actually kind of hoping she might give me a whirl soon, but maybe that is too far of a stretch. I'll keep my phone on me, just in case.
post #33629 of 47733
The 6.3s have been on for $1200 each on a few long weekend sales and they were on once a long time ago for half price of the lower mrsp at that time for $800 each. The RC-70 were $600each until they ran out of stock. The web site shows available in store but only place is edmonton. I wonder if FS might get some RC-70s in the same shipment as Vanns for boxing day.

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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

Well for americans at least. In the mean time we canadians still got no deals to speak of. Reading these recent discussions in the thread, I was thinking of upgrading my bookshelves to floorstanding speakers.

Now all my speakers are lousy C-series (hey, I think they sound great but reading all about your RC and Veritas setups is mouth-watering). So I wanted CF-70s because they seem to be much worthy of the upgrade than CF-30's or CF-50's.

Alas I only found the CF-70s in one store, luckily close to home. Their price is roughly the MSRP at 1050.00 for a pair -- very far from the incredible deals available in the US recently. So I waiting for a better occasion. Speaking with the salesman, it seems that paying cash I'd be able to lower the price a little bit, say to 900.00 a pair probably, before taxes.

FutureShop regularly offers interesting prices on Energy products, but they do not carry the CF-70. However they *do* carry the RC-70s and V6.3. At 1300$ and 1900$ *each*, respectively, they are not in the same ballpark *at all*. Of course if the RC-70's are sold at 600$ each in a FS sale, I'd be tempted, vs 525$ or even 450$ for the CF-70.

So what about mixing the RC-70s with C-series for the rest of a 5.1 / 7.1 setup? Is this even a good idea? Or should I wait and pile up my money for a pair of CF-70 considering that I have little bargaining power? Anyway I'll wait for Christmas, just in case.
post #33630 of 47733
Actually I don't mind mixing my RCs with the V series. They are just too good to sell just to get the V series. If I get the V center I would try to get another LCR to match with the one I have. Even if the Vs went on super sale down the road I think I would be satisfied with what I have....Maybe

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Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous View Post

Nah, you want the whole Veritas setup!

I have always loved the Veritas as an Energy speaker. Just not as a Veritas speaker at full price.
I am actually kind of hoping she might give me a whirl soon, but maybe that is too far of a stretch. I'll keep my phone on me, just in case.
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