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post #34651 of 47687
12/10/11 at 3:17pm
LOL! I agree with you, but I didn't read yours before I posted.
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post #34652 of 47687
12/10/11 at 4:06pm
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The Maggie's I auditioned almost instantly put a smile on my face. I'd never experienced 3D imaging like that. I was hoping the Veritas would come close to the same experience but unfortunately they haven't. I know room has A LOT to do with this...I think I have a decent space for them but have to say, the Maggie's were maybe 3-4 ft off the wall whereas my Veritas are 1 ft off it. I don't want to sound like imaging is bad though...it's actually great from left to right and vertically...and it is there 3 dimensionally...but sort of weak.


The Maggie's are going to come back to hunt you forever . Speaking from my own experience, the RC series (and the newest "Veritas", i.e. refined RCs) will never have image like some of the higher end speakers. The RCs are build for home theater applications, for which imaging might not be as critical as in musical listening.
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post #34653 of 47687
12/10/11 at 4:49pm
UMMM...I'm new here, what are "Maggies"?
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post #34654 of 47687
12/10/11 at 5:32pm
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UMMM...I'm new here, what are "Maggies"?

That would be magnepan
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1086093
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post #34655 of 47687
12/10/11 at 5:39pm
Got my frontstage setup. Running the cf70s and got the cc10. And cuz today was such a great day saw a newegg sale on the receiver I wanted. Good day.
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post #34656 of 47687
12/10/11 at 5:56pm
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Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous View Post

If they were my speakers, I would have to find a way to make the 6.3's work for wides or sides, and use the RC-10's as rears. Strictly because of the amount of content that would be sent to each speaker.

Just wanted some opinions. They are going to stay a sides. Don't have room or an AVR where I could use wides. I think I did over spend on for speakers to be used as surrounds but it does sound sweet. In the listening position it sounds fantastic just won't want to be seated out of the sweet spot. The riser I have do a good job of positioning the towers over the furiniture. I emailed energy and he suggested using them as rears.
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post #34657 of 47687
12/10/11 at 6:04pm
I have mine toe in the same but have a very dead room. I found the less toe in the less bright they sound. There was a pro review that went into the change in sound from toe in and position but don't recall which one. There only have been a few so it shouldn't be hard to find.

BTW- Listening to to Dianna Krall live in Paris cd right now and it is blowing me away. Switching back and forth from direct and Dolby PLIIx music and sounds great in both.

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I've run audyssey on my onkyo but didn't notice much difference as far as the brightness.

How much toe in are you using? I currently have mine pointed directly at my LP. I wish I'd experimented with toe-in more before putting the spikes on since it's a lot easier shifting the speakers around without the spikes. I'll play around with them some when I have time though.
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post #34658 of 47687
12/10/11 at 7:00pm
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The Maggie's are going to come back to hunt you forever .

Unfortunately, I think you're right about that. Once I decided they wouldn't be a great fit for me currently given my room size/shape, the necessary component upgrades, and the fact that I also use my mains for HT, I almost regretted even listening to them....knowing my speakers would no longer sound quite as perfect after hearing them. The 6.3s have been the ideal compromise so far though and I think they'll keep me happy for quite a while.
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post #34659 of 47687
12/10/11 at 8:00pm
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Got my frontstage setup. Running the cf70s and got the cc10. And cuz today was such a great day saw a newegg sale on the receiver I wanted. Good day.

Awesome! Glad you finally got that all squared away
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post #34660 of 47687
12/10/11 at 8:33pm
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Awesome! Glad you finally got that all squared away

All thanks to you Mac. Now about my cc10 location... Ha
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post #34661 of 47687
12/10/11 at 8:58pm
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All thanks to you Mac. Now about my cc10 location... Ha

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Putting the CC-10 on the receiver wouldn't help, as most receivers vent from the top, but maybe if you stacked the cable box and the DVD player in one cubby, then put the receiver in the other. If the cubby doesn't have any breathing room, don't do that though. If you MUST, then do what I do. I bought a USB fan and use that to help ventilate my cubby.
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post #34662 of 47687
12/10/11 at 8:59pm
How much is breathing room?
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12/10/11 at 9:02pm
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Originally Posted by lpnaz480 View Post

How much is breathing room?

Well, it depends. What receiver did you end up ordering?

I'd say you want at least a few inches from the top of your receiver to be clear for sure. And is the back of the cubby enclosed? If it's not, and it's not right up against the wall, that'll work in your favor. You just don't want your receiver to overheat. Basically if you run your receiver for the average time you'd use it, and put your hand on top and see if it's hot to the touch. If you really feel it burning up (or getting close to it) you need better placement. If you are even slightly nervous about it, I'd put it somewhere else or consider the fan idea.
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post #34664 of 47687
12/10/11 at 9:32pm
Went with the denon 2112ci. If I put it in the cubby there might be a few inches inbetween the side and top. I can probably cut out the back too
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post #34665 of 47687
12/10/11 at 9:37pm
So are owners of new-generation Veritas happy with the sound and build quality so far? I'm considering going for a pair of bookshelf size to use in bedroom stereo system
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post #34666 of 47687
12/10/11 at 10:30pm
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Originally Posted by CalgaryCowboy View Post

Just wanted some opinions. They are going to stay a sides. Don't have room or an AVR where I could use wides. I think I did over spend on for speakers to be used as surrounds but it does sound sweet. In the listening position it sounds fantastic just won't want to be seated out of the sweet spot. The riser I have do a good job of positioning the towers over the furiniture. I emailed energy and he suggested using them as rears.

I have my RC-50's as wides with the 3808. You didn't overspend on surround speakers if you properly utilize what you bought. For SACD and DVD you have four perfect speakers to do it. Music and movies are going to be the stuff of dreams. If you got another 6.3 set for rears, then I would think that you overspent at $1800 for them. But if you found a set of 6.3's for $300 or so, then why not get them for back surrounds, if space permits of course.

I would have to question why the Energy rep recommended using the Veritas 6.3's for rears and RC-10's for sides or wides, but I don't know the context of the conversation. I would never recommend that for performance related reasons.
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post #34667 of 47687
12/10/11 at 10:34pm
I am confused, the Denon 3808 predates DSX or any other "wide" speaker technology by 2 years. How are you using the RC-50's as "wides" with that receiver?
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post #34668 of 47687
12/10/11 at 10:42pm
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Went with the denon 2112ci. If I put it in the cubby there might be a few inches inbetween the side and top. I can probably cut out the back too

I put a thermometer around all my amps. I also put fans on all my amps as well. My Klipsch computer speaker setup amp has been modified with internal fans to preserve it. My other stereo amps all have fans on them, and also thermometers so I can tell if something is really wrong. Some of my amps will go up over 10 degrees past room temperature with TONS of ventilation, like seven inches on either side and ten inches on top. Other amps have much more space than that example and they will still heat up. The more air that you can give will always be better, do the best you possibly can, it could save you lots of money and frustration in the long run.
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post #34669 of 47687
12/10/11 at 10:43pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I am confused, the Denon 3808 predates DSX or any other "wide" speaker technology by 2 years. How are you using the RC-50's as "wides" with that receiver?

I have the front surround speakers out front and wide.
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post #34670 of 47687
12/11/11 at 12:11am
Need some advice on a sub to match my new CB-5 series speakers. Just picked up my 2nd pair of CB-5s from a local store going out of business for $69. The store had the Chrysalis Photon-10 sub for $119. Do you think it will work well with my setup? Here is the link to the sub. http://store.audioholics.com/speaker...subwoofer.html
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post #34671 of 47687
12/11/11 at 3:52am
I think the response from energy was based on position (against wall and close to seats as sides).

Don't get me started...already thinking if I have already gone this far might as well finish it off If I found RC-70 for boxing day prices.... good thing I will be out of town.

I know I am in the minority on this but I don't buy into the "surrounds don't get much audio anyways so they don't matter" mantra. The newer mixes are quite aggressive and often feature full frequency audio (like the score or ambient sounds). I agree that the front three are the most important but if you can the back 4 should get the same treatment. In pre-mixed 7.1 movies I also find the backs get as much use if not more than sides. You just don't notice them as much but if you walk around and check the backs get more of the static ambient effects with sides getting these at lower levels and pans like cars, bullets zooming buy. I am not suggesting that you are missing much by having less capable speakers in back but there are time you do.

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Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous View Post

I have my RC-50's as wides with the 3808. You didn't overspend on surround speakers if you properly utilize what you bought. For SACD and DVD you have four perfect speakers to do it. Music and movies are going to be the stuff of dreams. If you got another 6.3 set for rears, then I would think that you overspent at $1800 for them. But if you found a set of 6.3's for $300 or so, then why not get them for back surrounds, if space permits of course.

I would have to question why the Energy rep recommended using the Veritas 6.3's for rears and RC-10's for sides or wides, but I don't know the context of the conversation. I would never recommend that for performance related reasons.
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post #34672 of 47687
12/11/11 at 4:16am
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Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous View Post

I have the front surround speakers out front and wide.

Is it set on heights and you just placed them out front and wide? Just asking to see if Im missing something. My heights with a 2310 dont seem to process much sound?
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post #34673 of 47687
12/11/11 at 8:29am
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Originally Posted by CalgaryCowboy View Post

I think the response from energy was based on position (against wall and close to seats as sides).

Don't get me started...already thinking if I have already gone this far might as well finish it off If I found RC-70 for boxing day prices.... good thing I will be out of town.

I know I am in the minority on this but I don't buy into the "surrounds don't get much audio anyways so they don't matter" mantra. The newer mixes are quite aggressive and often feature full frequency audio (like the score or ambient sounds). I agree that the front three are the most important but if you can the back 4 should get the same treatment. In pre-mixed 7.1 movies I also find the backs get as much use if not more than sides. You just don't notice them as much but if you walk around and check the backs get more of the static ambient effects with sides getting these at lower levels and pans like cars, bullets zooming buy. I am not suggesting that you are missing much by having less capable speakers in back but there are time you do.

I'd agree with Energy, I'd rather have a speaker play great sound slightly less frequently than force a speaker into sub prime positions so it can play worse sound slightly more frequently. I also don't buy that rears in 7.1 get significantly less sound than surrounds and even matrixed there was plenty of sound back there I had it set up for over a year and I heard plenty expecially for more modern content. For SACD I would just matrix the rears like any other situation. May not meet the purist view of what was intended in the mixing room but neither does DSX (which people seem to be gushing about) and it's basically doing the same thing interpolating a speaker between two existing ones. The big thing though is how it sounds to you the pictures may make that placement look worse than it is so if you are happy with it and it sounds good to you I would just leave it the way it is.
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12/11/11 at 9:10am
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Originally Posted by racemanfl View Post

Is it set on heights and you just placed them out front and wide? Just asking to see if Im missing something. My heights with a 2310 dont seem to process much sound?

the 3808 doesn't do heights either it predates PLIIz in addition to DSX.

in other words, he just has misplaced (or maybe just misnamed) surrounds
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12/11/11 at 9:14am
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Need some advice on a sub to match my new CB-5 series speakers. Just picked up my 2nd pair of CB-5s from a local store going out of business for $69. The store had the Chrysalis Photon-10 sub for $119. Do you think it will work well with my setup? Here is the link to the sub. http://store.audioholics.com/speaker...subwoofer.html

you don't "match" the sub to the speakers, you match the subwoofer to your room size, your budget size, and your desired listening levels. ANY good sub will "match" with good speakers, the low freq's don't really have any tonality so it's not like matching your center to your L/R speakers.

that sub looks fine but I don't know much of anything about it. If it was truly a $999 sub then for $119 then you really can't go wrong.
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post #34676 of 47687
12/11/11 at 9:59am
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Originally Posted by CalgaryCowboy View Post


I know I am in the minority on this but I don't buy into the "surrounds don't get much audio anyways so they don't matter" mantra. The newer mixes are quite aggressive and often feature full frequency audio (like the score or ambient sounds). I agree that the front three are the most important but if you can the back 4 should get the same treatment. In pre-mixed 7.1 movies I also find the backs get as much use if not more than sides. You just don't notice them as much but if you walk around and check the backs get more of the static ambient effects with sides getting these at lower levels and pans like cars, bullets zooming buy. I am not suggesting that you are missing much by having less capable speakers in back but there are time you do.

I really enjoy my 7.x home theatre setup, but I find the rear surrounds usually don't get a whole lot of action. The front five speakers get much more content, for what I have experienced, unless of course I have it on 7 channel stereo, but I never do because I don't like that mode.
If I didn't get an amazing deal on the rear surrounds, I don't think I would have got towers for rears. But if money and space isn't a concern, everybody would be totally set by having all towers
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12/11/11 at 10:04am
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Is it set on heights and you just placed them out front and wide? Just asking to see if Im missing something. My heights with a 2310 dont seem to process much sound?

No, I don't have a heights option on the Denon 3808CI. There is massive amounts of content that come out of the front surrounds though. How many speakers are in your setup?
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12/11/11 at 10:15am
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Originally Posted by beatmix01 View Post

Need some advice on a sub to match my new CB-5 series speakers. Just picked up my 2nd pair of CB-5s from a local store going out of business for $69. The store had the Chrysalis Photon-10 sub for $119. Do you think it will work well with my setup? Here is the link to the sub. http://store.audioholics.com/speaker...subwoofer.html

The Chrysalis Photon-10 is essentially the same sub as the Velodyne Minivee-10. For $119, I'd buy several of them if it were me. I wish that store were local to me. Out of curiosity, how many did they have?
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12/11/11 at 10:19am
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I'd agree with Energy, I'd rather have a speaker play great sound slightly less frequently than force a speaker into sub prime positions so it can play worse sound slightly more frequently. I also don't buy that rears in 7.1 get significantly less sound than surrounds and even matrixed there was plenty of sound back there I had it set up for over a year and I heard plenty expecially for more modern content. For SACD I would just matrix the rears like any other situation. May not meet the purist view of what was intended in the mixing room but neither does DSX (which people seem to be gushing about) and it's basically doing the same thing interpolating a speaker between two existing ones. The big thing though is how it sounds to you the pictures may make that placement look worse than it is so if you are happy with it and it sounds good to you I would just leave it the way it is.

For SACD I wouldn't recommend messing with it. As you mentioned it isn't for a "purist", but there is also a lot of effort to connect a player up. The costs alone are a tough pill to swallow. I have a Denon 2910 and the discs are quite pricey too. I would never use a receiver processor for my player, but they are also only intended for 5.1 listening.
A Denon rep that I talked to said how much Denon hated DTS when it came out. He said it was all a craze, and people didn't even know what it was, but everybody thought it was the best! I don't know why the rep said this, but it does kind of demonstrate hype and marketing I guess.
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12/11/11 at 10:20am
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the 3808 doesn't do heights either it predates PLIIz in addition to DSX.

in other words, he just has misplaced (or maybe just misnamed) surrounds

Front surrounds.
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