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post #35791 of 51594
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Originally Posted by martinlongbow View Post

Finally got my bundle from Vanns. I was expecting damaged packages but i was suprised. all speakers were double boxed with huge cushions on all sides. only issue was with the Sw box, which was partially torn but no real issues. did not plug in anything yet so hopefully all is good.

RC-70s are huge!!!!, 3 times bigger than what i was expected, so is RC-LCR, comparison to energy take 5 in terms of dimensions is pointless. I was very mistaken. The pictures on the website are misleading if you are a noob like me. Now i have to find a place for RC-LCR as it won't fit under or on my tv stand.

anyway, alot of work to do on cabling. will post here if any issues

Enjoy your speakers! I can understand that they look big compared to what you had, but actually the RC-70s are smaler than the the CF-70s and the RC-LCR is a little taller, but not as wide as the CC-10.
post #35792 of 51594
Interesting... using these instead of the stand I have I could get ideal placement of my RC-10s in back instead of going with towers that would be aimed at the back of my seats. Any issues with having these much higher than the rest of the speakers? Might even work better as sides...

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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

Doesn't look like the V5.1 has a hole in the back for the macromount bracket. So you'd have to buy a different type wall mount.
http://www.energy-speakers.com/na-en...pecifications/

something like this.
http://www.amazon.com/Pinpoint-AM-40...5889954&sr=8-2

That one would also work on the RC-10 since it is side clamping.
post #35793 of 51594
That's funny, you guys being surprised by the size of these speakers. I was too, though. Funny.

Also, I guess I just didn't realize how big the cc-10 is. That comparison to the RC-LCR caught me off guard. I didn't think they were close in size to the RC-LCR. I was wrong.

Maybe you could snap some comparison photos between the two. I don't think we have seen any photos like that before.
post #35794 of 51594
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Originally Posted by mphfrom77 View Post

That's funny, you guys being surprised by the size of these speakers. I was too, though. Funny.

Also, I guess I just didn't realize how big the cc-10 is. That comparison to the RC-LCR caught me off guard. I didn't think they were close in size to the RC-LCR. I was wrong.

Maybe you could snap some comparison photos between the two. I don't think we have seen any photos like that before.

I sold off the CC-10 and CF/CB series when I bought the RC bundle, but the RC-LCR is a little taller than the CC-10 because I was able to put the little rubber footing on the CC-10 to fit my entertainment center, but the RC-LCR just fits in and theres no way I could fit the rubber footing. They may be the same length, but it seems like the RC-LCR is a little shorter.
post #35795 of 51594
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Originally Posted by kgallerie View Post

I honestly dont think deano was flaming you at all. He was simply discussing the logistics of having the type of center you do and the possible issues based on theory. Thats why he was asking if you have tried a single RC-10 instead of the dual centers to hear your experience and a comparison between the 2 set-ups. I would take it as a compliment that he is interested enough in your setup to ask about your personal findings.

Thats what this place is for......discussing different options and peoples experiences with them to help all of us get a better understanding of what typically works well and what doesn't. This thread in particular is very friendly and very helpful and things are discussed well beyond just energy speakers. Here is your chance to contribute.

I asked another question about the centers regarding how you have them hooked up for a couple reasons..... 1) i am curious because since you like it, i may think about playing around with it at some point myself and 2) if you have them running in parallel from 1 center channel output, it may be straining your receiver if its not meant for that type of resistance.

You nailed it man! My original post on the subject wasn't even referring to his setup; just to another question about dual center channels and I thought the Audioholics info may be helpful. When he directly responded to me on how his setup was different, that's when I wondered about the prevailing thoughts out there that the horizontal arrangement of drivers can be problematic with proper dispersion and lobing effects; not to mention the effect of dual tweeters in his case...

Thus my curiousity about how he felt about just the single RC-10 in its normal orientation compared to his current setup. That's also why I stated that he may have hit on something really good with the RC-10s configured that way! You never know man, until you try things. There is only so much theory a guy can read before you say "screw it" "I am trying this!"

And in the case of wiring up two center channels, I would think wiring them in series would be the way to go to provide a safe load for your receiver or amp....
post #35796 of 51594
No problem guys, I think we can all get caught up in what someone replies to on the internet sometimes. Its hard to understand someones intent without hearing or seeing facial expressions. We are all here to get/give advice and learn so take that for what it is. I know I have been caught up in that in the past, but we are all here for the same interests which connects us all for the better.
post #35797 of 51594
I'm going to start by admitting that I ordered and received the Adele concert bluray before Xmas. I just finished watching it and must say my rc's did a fantastic job. Or should I say performance. Instruments clearly distinct and separated, voices liquid smooth and crystal clear. Those of you who are fans of her work really should check out her performance. At the price I paid, its an absolute steal. This concert,3 others in particular, and a few bluray movies in my mind and household justify why I went to 11.2. Even with the camera focusing a little too much on the audience, I still felt like I was sitting front row. I cranked up the volume on some personal faves and just lost myself in rc bliss. I guess I love my rc's. .
post #35798 of 51594
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Originally Posted by batt50 View Post

I'm going to start by admitting that I ordered and received the Adele concert bluray before Xmas. I just finished watching it and must say my rc's did a fantastic job. Or should I say performance. Instruments clearly distinct and separated, voices liquid smooth and crystal clear. Those of you who are fans of her work really should check out her performance. At the price I paid, its an absolute steal. This concert,3 others in particular, and a few bluray movies in my mind and household justify why I went to 11.2. Even with the camera focusing a little too much on the audience, I still felt like I was sitting front row. I cranked up the volume on some personal faves and just lost myself in rc bliss. I guess I love my rc's. .

I have heard a lot of Adele when people are speaking about the RCs. I have to admit I had to ask my wife who she was... as I listen to mostly underground music that no one has heard of, but I did get the Dave Mathews/Tim Reynolds live at Radio City Music Hall blue ray and it is absolutely amazing in picture and sound quality.
post #35799 of 51594
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Originally Posted by Saints View Post


I have heard a lot of Adele when people are speaking about the RCs. I have to admit I had to ask my wife who she was... as I listen to mostly underground music that no one has heard of, but I did get the Dave Mathews/Tim Reynolds live at Radio City Music Hall blue ray and it is absolutely amazing in picture and sound quality.

Lol. Don't feel bad. I didn't know about Adele until last year. While I'm not a fan of Dave Mathews, I'll keep my eye out for that bluray. If I find it for a low price or can rent it I'll give it a whirl. Between pandora radio and the sound of the rc's, I find myself enjoying lots of music genres I didn't like before.
post #35800 of 51594
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

V Mini's would be the easiest to wall mount since they come with brackets.

V5.1 or RC-10s would sound the best, way better than the V mini.

Reference Connoisseur RC-10's and RC-10's are the same thing. That's what the RC stands for.

Energy makes a wall mount for the RC-10, don't know if that fits with the newer V5.1.

thanks for your input. Yeah I had the RC-Mini's years back when they were first released (have since sold them), they included a very cool wall mount. I believe this is the same mechanical design (even the cabinet) which is used on the Veritas V-Mini. It's tempting to get these just for convenience, but I would prefer the range of the RC-10's or maybe the V-5.1's, both models seem to be selling very cheap right now (even cheaper, in some cases, than the V-Mini's).

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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

Doesn't look like the V5.1 has a hole in the back for the macromount bracket. So you'd have to buy a different type wall mount.

something like this.
http://www.amazon.com/Pinpoint-AM-40...5889954&sr=8-2

That one would also work on the RC-10 since it is side clamping.

yeah, I can't verify whether the V-5.1 has mounting provisions or not? However that clamp mount looks very cool, thanks!
post #35801 of 51594
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Originally Posted by batt50 View Post

I'm going to start by admitting that I ordered and received the Adele concert bluray before Xmas. I just finished watching it and must say my rc's did a fantastic job. Or should I say performance. Instruments clearly distinct and separated, voices liquid smooth and crystal clear. Those of you who are fans of her work really should check out her performance. At the price I paid, its an absolute steal. This concert,3 others in particular, and a few bluray movies in my mind and household justify why I went to 11.2. Even with the camera focusing a little too much on the audience, I still felt like I was sitting front row. I cranked up the volume on some personal faves and just lost myself in rc bliss. I guess I love my rc's. .

Which concert bluray is it? (for Adele)
post #35802 of 51594
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Originally Posted by Macstatic View Post

Which concert bluray is it? (for Adele)

this one http://images3.static-bluray.com/mov...2356_large.jpg
post #35803 of 51594
This has probably been mentioned before but all you guys with the new Energy setups should by all means grab this to put your system to good use. It should make your fancy new Energy setups really shine. Sounds fantastic on my little ole JBL system. So it should really pack a wallop with the Energy's. IMHO if you have a great Energy setup this is a must have to showcase it.
post #35804 of 51594
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Originally Posted by CalgaryCowboy View Post

The new V series is very similiar to the rc in sound. See the link at the bottom of my post. The nice thing is you can get them at future shop and take them for a test drive. The RC rosenut is different then the V series but still very nice.

Thanks!

Didn't even notice your sig until you mentioned it. Great comparison, much appreciated.

Its a shame you weren't able to have them both at the same time nor take some SPL measurements.

On the topic of comparisons, I picked up a pair of the PSB Image T6 towers the other day from Bay Bloor Radio (similar special, $1000/pair) and can advise that while they're very good speakers, I prefer the Energy's more. The PSB's perform very well and were able to maintain they're sound a lot longer when off-axis compared to the Energy's. They also seem to be a little more direct (may be the wrong word to use), like the sound is more at the fore front when compared to the Energy's. Although, the PSB's tweeter sounded a little bit high harsh to me which made me speculate that they may have a spike on the high end.

Since I didn't want to stop there, I took some measurements use the DVE disc and can advise that the Energy's have a much flatter frequency response compared to the PSB's. What I perceived as a harsh tweeter or spike in the high end, turned out to be false as its pretty flat from 500hz and on. What I was hearing was a dip in the mid-range. It seems to take a significant dive from the 100-300hz range, which would explain what I was hearing. They're also a little heavy on bass (a spike could be seen in the 60-90hz range) but nothing that bothered me. If anything, I would chalk that low end spike to my placement since they're pretty close to the walls. In any case, the Energy's in the same placement didn't have the same problem, despite being rear ported.

All in all, I'm not a scientist nor did I de-materialize to ensure I didn't interfere with any of the room acoustics. I only ensured to take my measurements the exact same way when listening to each speaker, which I think is the most important factor to consider (IMO anyways). My room is also far from ideal with not being a closed room (there's openings on both ends of the room) plus a little bulkhead when entering from one of the sides. I also have a ton of reflective surfaces since there's no rug or drapes on my windows yet (we just moved into a new house). I say all this just to emphasize that YMMV greatly and I am in no way am speaking ill of the PSB's. I might actually like them better in a more adequate room or paired up with some room correction (I have an old receiver that doesn't support squat). But in this room, with this setup, the Energy's performed more admirably.

The most challenging aspect now is what to do with the RC-70s. I love the speakers but their appearance does them no justice, as well as I'm SOL for a matching centre. The PSB's are in Dark Cherry so I'm quite certain I'll keep those. I'm thinking of returning the RC-70s and keeping my eyes open on the 6.3s going on special. I just wish I could do a direct comparison with the RC-70s and 6.3s to validate CalgaryCowboy's findings (not doubting you CalgaryCowboy, but it would silence any doubt / tricks my mind would play on me).
post #35805 of 51594
Looks like the $1599 VSW10 bundle is gone. Not much incentive to get the bundle over the individual prices now...
post #35806 of 51594
I'm looking at setting up a 7.2 speaker arrangement with Energy RC's as follows:



My plan is:

Front Left & Right Speakers: RC70
Center Channel Speaker: RCLCR
Subwoofers: VSW10 x 2
Surround Left & Right Speakers: RC10
Surround Back Left & Right Speakers: RC10

Is this the most optimal choice of speakers? Or would I be better off using another pair of RC70's for the back rather than going with all RC10's?
post #35807 of 51594
I've jumped into the energy fray.

I purchased RC-10s and a RC-LCR on clearance from Vanns. These are the first speakers i've ever purchased. I was within days of buying a bose set up from costco when i did a bit of research. I then was about to buy the take 5 classic for my first surround sound experience, a few of you suggested the rc-10s to start and build a 5.1 system over time.

I feel good about the RC-10s choice. I was not really planning on getting the lcr as i was contemplating getting a smaller surround sound set to match the rc-10s. The lcr looks really massive for what i may need, but i'll give it shot. Now on to the subwoofer forum to research some subs for my set up. I'll post pics once i get the rc order from Vanns.

-George
post #35808 of 51594
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post


Get a new receiver.

That Marantz is a beast but it is woefully out of date right now, a modern mid-level receiver with HDMI switching, more flexible bass management and good room correction DSP will sound better than an older "flagship" in the vast majority of situations.... yours being one.

Any recommendations? I have a small room, 5.1 requirement, and would rather leave networking to an external box of some kind. According to my sub manual,the LFE input is not subject to the low pass filter, but all other inputs are, so the receiver would have to be able to deal with that. Is that likely to work?

Thanks
post #35809 of 51594
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Originally Posted by grxz View Post

I'm looking at setting up a 7.2 speaker arrangement with Energy RC's as follows:

My plan is:

Front Left & Right Speakers: RC70
Center Channel Speaker: RCLCR
Subwoofers: VSW10 x 2
Surround Left & Right Speakers: RC10
Surround Back Left & Right Speakers: RC10

Is this the most optimal choice of speakers? Or would I be better off using another pair of RC70's for the back rather than going with all RC10's?

That's a great setup. Unless you're a bass head or have a huge room, your current setup will rock. Having said that, I did run 4 towers for a while (rc-70's $ rc-50's) and loved it. If you do end up getting another pair of rc-70's, I would put them on the sides (surrounds) not the rear.
post #35810 of 51594
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Originally Posted by gcastro3d View Post

I've jumped into the energy fray.

I purchased RC-10s and a RC-LCR on clearance from Vanns. These are the first speakers i've ever purchased. I was within days of buying a bose set up from costco when i did a bit of research. I then was about to buy the take 5 classic for my first surround sound experience, a few of you suggested the rc-10s to start and build a 5.1 system over time.

I feel good about the RC-10s choice. I was not really planning on getting the lcr as i was contemplating getting a smaller surround sound set to match the rc-10s. The lcr looks really massive for what i may need, but i'll give it shot. Now on to the subwoofer forum to research some subs for my set up. I'll post pics once i get the rc order from Vanns.

-George

You should share the awesome mockup you created to show how you intend to setup your RC-10s and RC-LCR: http://avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost....2&postcount=46

post #35811 of 51594
haha, thx Cel. It'll be interesting to see how it actually turns out. I'll do a side by side comparison with the actual set up once the speakers come in


Thx,
George
post #35812 of 51594
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Originally Posted by gcastro3d View Post

I feel good about the RC-10s choice. I was not really planning on getting the lcr as i was contemplating getting a smaller surround sound set to match the rc-10s. The lcr looks really massive for what i may need, but i'll give it shot. Now on to the subwoofer forum to research some subs for my set up

well you made an excellent choice for a first set of speakers, seriously. And the LCR is one of the best products of it's kind on the market, a lot of people are very naive in regards to how well this center speaker is designed.
post #35813 of 51594
Is RC-LCR perfect centre for RC-70? Would i be able to drive these spks without external amp with Yamaha a2000??
post #35814 of 51594
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Originally Posted by Hannzz View Post

Is RC-LCR perfect centre for RC-70? Would i be able to drive these spks without external amp with Yamaha a2000??

Yes and yes.
post #35815 of 51594
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Originally Posted by caper_1 View Post

That is rediculous... I got 4 Take LCRs for $300 plus shipping from them...using them all as surrounds.


I have no problems with mine, but I did compliment them with a $1400 Monitor Audio sealed sub...fills them out nicely, crossed at about 120 if I recall correctly. But I do have them angled properly to LP, although they are a little off-axis on the (upper) vertical.

And now, Buy.com has the same package for $800 shipped.

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post #35816 of 51594
Hi all! I've been lurking this topic forever and finally have the time and $ to get in the game!

After reading gcastro3d's thread and the great advice there (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1384224), I find that I am in almost the same boat. I have been looking at the Take 5's and the Micro's for a while now, but am now considering the RC-10's for a 2.1 setup instead. I know many of you would definitely support the 2.1 as a basis for future upgrades. Here are my thoughts:

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My "living room" space is basically 11' x 13', but open to the dining room and kitchen. We currently have NO speakers or receiver set up. At first, I thought the Takes/Micros would be best since it is a small space and I could actually fit the speakers in. In looking at a RC-10 2.1 system (and possibly adding the RC-LCR), I am in a quandary . My new 55" tv will cover the hole where the old tv is now. I will install shelves in the recessed area to the left of the fireplace for the av equipment, left speaker, etc. But there is no place for an RC-10 on the right; there is not adequate room on the wine rack or wall at a proper height. And the mantel is only 3.5" deep, so the RC-LCR won't fit.

I have a budget of around $500 and will not likely be upgrading speakers while in this space (probably not until we move to a house which is in the unknown future). I was gifted an almost new Denon AVR-590 that I will use temporarily until I possibly upgrade to a 3D capable receiver. I can't do towers because I have a rambunctious 21 month old (and little space)!

So here are my biggest questions:

1. Will the Micros (with a good sub) fill my 11' x 13' space well enough? I can envision properly mounting and placing these speakers with no problems because of their size. This seems the best/cheapest way to get 5.1 in this space without breaking the bank. (We will be upgrading from NO speakers/receiver at this point. )

2. Is an RC-10 2.1 setup still a better setup for sound in this space? (I'd love to purchase speakers that I'll want to keep down the road. It seems these would fit the bill, but would I be getting the best bang for my buck?)

3. If the RC-10 setup is preferred, what are some suggestions for placement?
- Should I still consider the RC-LCR even if there's no easy place to put it?
- Could I mix smaller Energy speakers in to complete the 5.1/7.1 (such as the RC-Micro 5 pack)?

4. Are there other setups that I haven't mentioned that might be a much better fit?

(I'm checking Craigslist consistently, but rarely find any Energy speakers that will work. Not sure I trust eBay on my first speakers purchase.)

Thanks in advance for your help and advice! (These forums are BAD news for those itching to buy! )
LL
LL
post #35817 of 51594
Just wanted to throw out a big THANK YOU to the guys on here that helped me (in this thread) with my AVR & speakers...Karn, Hank Mardukous, jdsmoothie, & batpig. I have my Denon AVR-2112CI & Take Classic 5.1 speakers all set up. I've run Audyssey a couple of times. It all sounds really really good!! Much better than the non-BD Sony HTIB it replaced.

Again..thanks for the help and advice guys!!
Billy
post #35818 of 51594
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Originally Posted by gcastro3d View Post

I've jumped into the energy fray.

I purchased RC-10s and a RC-LCR on clearance from Vanns. These are the first speakers i've ever purchased. I was within days of buying a bose set up from costco when i did a bit of research. I then was about to buy the take 5 classic for my first surround sound experience, a few of you suggested the rc-10s to start and build a 5.1 system over time.

I feel good about the RC-10s choice. I was not really planning on getting the lcr as i was contemplating getting a smaller surround sound set to match the rc-10s. The lcr looks really massive for what i may need, but i'll give it shot. Now on to the subwoofer forum to research some subs for my set up. I'll post pics once i get the rc order from Vanns.

-George

Glad to see you jumped on those RCs! You got them at pretty good prices. I'm not sure what Vann's return policy is, but even if you have to pay for return shipping, it'd be worth giving the LCR a try. Can't wait to see the pics! Welcome to the Energy club!
post #35819 of 51594
What is considered here on this Forum the better sounding speaker : RC 10 or RC LCR ?? or the Veritas Bookshelf's ??

Thanks.
post #35820 of 51594
LCR...aka...the RC "mini tower".
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