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post #36061 of 48172
1/12/12 at 4:08pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I confess to never having heard either the e-series or the older 22's, but they get nothing but great reviews.

The one you have to be concerned with is the tweeter on the Pro 22, which goes bad after a while.

In terms of market value:

- $120 for the 3.1e is a very good deal
- $150 for the 2.1e is overpriced.... if you could get them for $100 for the pair along with the 3.1e's, that would be the start of a very nice budget 5.1 setup
- $250 for the Pro 22's is too high, even with original tweeter (or a factory replacement). I would say $175-200 is more in line. If it doesn't have original tweeter than it's not worth even that much.

The e-series is one that I definitely want to hear, a lot of the technologies that went into the subsequent "even number" Connoisseurs.

One poster I believe has both the flagship 5.1e and the C-8 from the follow up Connoisseurs, and thought they were very similar in overall sound quality.

Thanks a bunch for the info. I just noticed the 3.1e's are 6 ohm...I'd rather stick to 8 ohm for universality. When I asked if $150 was the lowest he'd go, he offered $125...I test the waters on $100. Was thinking 2.0 stereo for future use, maybe in my boy's room or something...
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post #36062 of 48172
1/12/12 at 4:35pm
ROSENUT RC-LCR JUST 3 DAYS BID OFFER STARTING BID $9.99 30 DAYS ITEM EXCHANGE

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ENERGY-SPEAK...item4600197a69
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post #36063 of 48172
1/12/12 at 4:38pm
for anyone with older 2nd gen Veritas looking for a center channel, per our earlier discussion, there is a single V2.2 on eBay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Energy-Verit...ht_4374wt_1187

also, if anyone needs one, I have an extra woofer for a non "i" Veritas speaker that I bought as a "backup" for when I had the V2.1's... PM me if interested....
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post #36064 of 48172
1/12/12 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by caper_1 View Post

Thanks a bunch for the info. I just noticed the 3.1e's are 6 ohm...I'd rather stick to 8 ohm for universality. When I asked if $150 was the lowest he'd go, he offered $125...I test the waters on $100. Was thinking 2.0 stereo for future use, maybe in my boy's room or something...

Do not let the 6 ohm rating sway you! They will be just fine. If they were rated 4 ohm, then you should be careful about what you would be driving them with.

I bought a pair of 4.1e's back in the day (1994) for $750 that were rated for 6ohms and I drove them just fine with anything I had at the time. The "e" series really seems to be kind of one of the rarer Energy series, but I loved mine. They had a really cool looking translucent 7 inch woofer with "Quadconcentric ribs" and an inverted surround that was actually stitched to the outside of the woofer and a soft dome tweeter. I don't believe this series had a matching center channel though...
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post #36065 of 48172
1/12/12 at 4:55pm
Hi Guys, I haven't picked up the speakers yet from Kinek in Lewiston. They won't arrive until tomorrow "end of day" which means that I probably can't get around to it until Wednesday of next week.

I will let you all know what happens at that time (or sooner).

Kinek I understand has several shipping points in the US so since you live in Nova Scotia just go to the Kinek.com website and find your shipping point using the Postal Code.
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post #36066 of 48172
1/12/12 at 5:11pm
What can you tell me about these? A pair in cherry has appeared on my local kijiji for $500.
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post #36067 of 48172
1/12/12 at 5:23pm
I have an RC-Mini with an apparently dead tweeter (no sound at all from the tweeter, but the woofer works perfectly), but it's harder than I thought to get inside it.

I took out all the screws (4 around the woofer, 4 around the tweeter and all the screws on the back), but nothing wants to budge.

Edit: Got a bit bolder and pried the woofer loose with a thin bladed knife. It wasn't really stuck, just a very close fit. With the woofer out, I could reach inside and push the tweeter out. The tweeter voice coil has infinite resistance, so I guess it's burned out. The woofer tests OK. Hope you can still get replacement tweeters.
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post #36068 of 48172
1/12/12 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by czechmka View Post

I will let you all know what happens at that time (or sooner).

Thanks czechmka.

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Kinek I understand has several shipping points in the US so since you live in Nova Scotia just go to the Kinek.com website and find your shipping point using the Postal Code.

The closest Kinek point for Nova Scotia seems to be Calais on the New Brunswick border. According to Google maps, this is like a 6h drive from Halifax. Ouch.
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post #36069 of 48172
1/12/12 at 6:10pm
If it was summer and did not have to worry about driving through the mountains I could do some good business by driving to vanns and brings back some Energy stock to Canada Since It is a brick and motar store I could open it all up to make sure there was no damage and possibly even test on there equipment.

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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

Thanks czechmka.



The closest Kinek point for Nova Scotia seems to be Calais on the New Brunswick border. According to Google maps, this is like a 6h drive from Halifax. Ouch.
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post #36070 of 48172
1/12/12 at 6:55pm
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Originally Posted by caper_1 View Post

Hank, Batpig, afrogt, or anyone else:
Are either of these worth picking up...heading to the city this weekend :
Energy 3.1e - $120
Energy 2.1e - $150
Also: Energy 22 Pro - $250
If required, what should I offer? Also, is there a way to tell if original parts are still there? I think the tweeter is they key on these, no?

I have never heard the 3.1e or 2.1e yet.
As a rule, I never ignore any of Energy's speakers that have the style of badge that all of your mentioned models have. I find those prices are more than I like to pay, but I also am not "in need" of speakers either, same as you.
I do own the Pro 22's and that is a very fair price to the buyer, for what they are. That being said, I personally wouldn't buy them for $250. (I bought mine for $40 with stands). There can be tweeter issues with all of the Energy speakers from that era, (22's were all they had when they first started out) and that includes the original RC's.
This is how I buy stereo stuff.- Look at the overall condition. If it looks a little abused or tampered with, then look closer. Check the screw heads for any signs of scuffing or stripping and also missing screws. If these look shady, walk away or ask questions and work out a return deal before paying for them.
I have been very close to buying another pair of Pro 22's but I quickly noticed the tweeters were not original. As far as I know, there is no drop in replacement tweeter that looks like the original Energy supplied tweeter. If you can find a picture of one, then you should be set because the after market tweeters look (and probably sound) very different. If you can't find a pic, let me know and I will put one up.
I just had the Pro 22's hooked up all day yesterday for use with testing record players and I was reminded why I like them so much.They are well worth $250 in my opinion, but they can be had for cheaper.
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post #36071 of 48172
1/12/12 at 6:56pm
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

The closest Kinek point for Nova Scotia seems to be Calais on the New Brunswick border. According to Google maps, this is like a 6h drive from Halifax. Ouch.

yeah, that sucks...I did that drive in Sep...from here it was 7 hrs; then i drove through Maine the next day. NS extends into the ocean...our border is tiny.
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post #36072 of 48172
1/12/12 at 6:59pm
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Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous View Post

I have never heard the 3.1e or 2.1e yet.
As a rule, I never ignore any of Energy's speakers that have the style of badge that all of your mentioned models have. I find those prices are more than I like to pay, but I also am not "in need" of speakers either, same as you.
I do own the Pro 22's and that is a very fair price to the buyer, for what they are. That being said, I personally wouldn't buy them for $250. (I bought mine for $40 with stands). There can be tweeter issues with all of the Energy speakers from that era, (22's were all they had when they first started out) and that includes the original RC's.
This is how I buy stereo stuff.- Look at the overall condition. If it looks a little abused or tampered with, then look closer. Check the screw heads for any signs of scuffing or stripping and also missing screws. If these look shady, walk away or ask questions and work out a return deal before paying for them.
I have been very close to buying another pair of Pro 22's but I quickly noticed the tweeters were not original. As far as I know, there is no drop in replacement tweeter that looks like the original Energy supplied tweeter. If you can find a picture of one, then you should be set because the after market tweeters look (and probably sound) very different. If you can't find a pic, let me know and I will put one up.
I just had the Pro 22's hooked up all day yesterday for use with testing record players and I was reminded why I like them so much.They are well worth $250 in my opinion, but they can be had for cheaper.

yeah, not looking to pay that right now, but I can get the 2.1e pair for $100. What do you think of that ?
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post #36073 of 48172
1/12/12 at 7:09pm
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Originally Posted by caper_1 View Post

yeah, not looking to pay that right now, but I can get the 2.1e pair for $100. What do you think of that ?

I'm sure there would be good value there for someone without speakers, but does your tree house need $100 speakers?
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post #36074 of 48172
1/12/12 at 7:17pm
By the way, my order of black RC-70's was boxed like champs. They had an outer box that was huge; the actual product boxes nestled within along with these fat pillow-like padding things. In my small hallway after I dragged the giant boxes in, it looked like I got delivered the old World Trade Center. My wife, not knowing what I had bought was almost faint looking at the boxes like, "how are they going to fit in here?!" I finally got down to the pristine speaker cabinets with zero cosmetic problems and was happy. I erected the first speaker and looked out to see if monkeys would start excitedly crowding all around it.
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post #36075 of 48172
1/12/12 at 7:23pm
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Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous View Post

I'm sure there would be good value there for someone without speakers, but does your tree house need $100 speakers?

LMFAO !!! They wouldnt be going up there ya nut!! Maybe a bedroom or something!!
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post #36076 of 48172
1/12/12 at 7:25pm
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

So I got those new RC-70s; the rest of my HT setup is composed of Conoisseur speakers. I have the CC-10 center, and either CB-10 or CB-20 surrounds, plus older bookshelves for surround backs. I'm not sure yet how much I'm prepared to pay this year for upgrades, but since the future of the RC line is uncertain, I think I'll try to procure some of them.

The first would be an RC-LCR; as I'm Canadian, that would be probably either from Overstock.com or from Amazon.com/Vann's through a Kinek point.

Then I'd have to decide what to do with surrounds:

Option 1: Keep CB-10's as they're small enough to fit on actual bookshelves, and sell my CB-20's, possibly as a bundle with my CC-10.

Option 2: Keep CB-20's as they're bigger/better than the CB-10, find a way to make them fit on the shelves, and sell the CB-10, possibly as a bundle with a spare CC-5 that I also have.

Option 3: Try to buy RC-10's as well for surrounds. At $300 at Vann's right now, that would probably mean above $500 after trip, taxes, duties. Lots of money for surrounds... I could finance that by selling all of my C-series as a nice bundle I guess.

Option 4: Local stores here have leftover RC-30s, in clearance. They ask $700/pr, which is rather high. But since they are demonstrators, I may be able to lower that price (didn't have any success with those stores in the past though). How do RC-30s compare to RC-10s? Would they be worth $200 more a pair for surrounds?

Thanks for any advice...



I'm kind in the same position. If the RC line was available for the next years I'd be much less nervous about upgrading my other speakers. But don't you feel some pressure to upgrade your center and surrounds? Do you see yourself with mismatched fronts and centers for years to come? I'm not suggesting or pressuring *you* to upgrade, I'm just really wondering what to do right now so anybody with the same kind of issues is of interest for me.

In my situation I dont plan to replace my JM lab HT speakers as i will eventually have a separate music listening room at which point i will move the energys back out of the system. Any upgrades to my HT will be best spent to get a better sub. But I hear you and appreciate your concerns long term - real dilemma.

I have had the rc-70s with my JM lab speakers for about 60hrs use and i am having a hard time noticing much audio difference for HT use. As i said, for me the integration from a sound perspective is totally fine but i suppose there is still more break in that could change things. Jm labs are laid back and easy to listen to and seem a good match. But yes having unmatched speakers forever would not sit well for me either if for no other reason they dont look good. If i was in your shoes getting matched speakers (sound and looks) would be something that I would want. good luck.

On an unrelated matter I note that my denon 3806 during Audyssey testing keeps flagging the RC-70 as out of phase. Any one with same receiver have seen this. Wiring is fine (everything is coloured) Put JM lab back in and they are ok phase wise. So i have to assume the Audyssey is not 100% reliable for detecting phase problems.
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post #36077 of 48172
1/12/12 at 8:15pm
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Originally Posted by enviro119 View Post

On an unrelated matter I note that my denon 3806 during Audyssey testing keeps flagging the RC-70 as out of phase. Any one with same receiver have seen this. Wiring is fine (everything is coloured) Put JM lab back in and they are ok phase wise. So i have to assume the Audyssey is not 100% reliable for detecting phase problems.

Quick...someone fire up the bat(pig) signal!
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post #36078 of 48172
1/12/12 at 8:57pm
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Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous View Post

Now this is starting to make more sense to me. I am pretty sure that the guy is talking about the voice coil in the midrange woofer. If I'm correct, I wouldn't call it a tweeter issue. I want to be clear though, I have never come across any midrange issues so far...
Your repair guy has hopefully checked the resistance of your midrange woofer, and then carried out his basic "feel" test. Do you have access to the old one now? Many times there will be signs of burning or colour difference along some parts of the coil, when there has been issues with overheating. This is an easy and good (bad) sign, especially when you have been noticing audible concerns.
To replace the diaphragm in a tweeter is quite easy in case you ever have to in the future, assuming our speakers are similar. I am not sure how easy your midrange voice coil (if that is the problem) fix would be though. Good luck

Hank, the tweeter module in the Veritas 2.3i consists of a 1" aluminium dome and 2" aluminium midrange. The problem in my speaker is with the 2" aluminium midrange. Since it is a part of the tweeter module, I referred to it broadly as a "tweeter issue". The midrange dome is not sold separately - I have to replace the entire tweeter module.

The speaker guy took the tweeter module out and connected it to some equipment. He then played some frequencies on it - not sure if he measured the resistance. There is a single mesh that covers both the 1" dome and the 2" dome - he removed the mesh and sort of "felt" around the 2" dome with a thin metallic strip. That's when he said the coil did not feel right and may have been blown.

Klipsh shipped the new tweeter module on Tuesday - it should arrive here on Friday or early next week. The old module is still in the speaker. I may take the old piece apart and take a look at it once I have replace it with the old one.

I am still looking for a good amp to drive these speakers. A killer deal showed up on Craigslist a couple of days back. The seller is about an hour away from me - he is selling an Emotiva XPA-2 and UPA-2 for $400. I e-mailed him but he said they were already sold... however, the ad is still up. I am sure he must be getting a lot of inquiries about them. don't know why he hasn't deleted the post:
http://providence.craigslist.org/ele/2792623534.html
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post #36079 of 48172
1/13/12 at 3:21am
Dear All,
i have already purchased a JBL SCS 200.5. system a couple of months ago, which is quite good to my amateur ears..
However the praises for the Take 5 Classic package are driving me crazy.
I wanted to ask you if one can notice a considerable difference in between take 5 classic 5.1 and other brands with approx the same system specs.
My listening practice:
- 16ft X 20ft living room
- never exceeding mid level volume power
- for both movies and music.
So clarity in the highest volume level is not my priority.

I can not find it in my closer countries in Europe for testing or buying, so I will have to order it from US.
I WILL order it and wait for quite some time, BUT ONLY if you suggest me that its going to make a difference in its output.

Thanks in Advance
M.G.
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post #36080 of 48172
1/13/12 at 8:00am
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Originally Posted by AC2011 View Post

What can you tell me about these? A pair in cherry has appeared on my local kijiji for $500.

I had the C-500 speakers for a while. They are definitely not harsh or bright, and I like them. From memory, I believe they may have sounded a bit on the muffled side. They aren't the best Energy speakers, but they are far from the worst in my opinion. I think $500 is too much though. I would value them around $300 if they're in great shape. They have good weight to them and the cherry makes them more desirable for some.
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post #36081 of 48172
1/13/12 at 8:05am
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Originally Posted by caper_1 View Post

lmfao !!! They wouldnt be going up there ya nut!! Maybe a bedroom or something!!

Lol
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post #36082 of 48172
1/13/12 at 8:18am
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Originally Posted by enviro119 View Post

On an unrelated matter I note that my denon 3806 during Audyssey testing keeps flagging the RC-70 as out of phase. Any one with same receiver have seen this. Wiring is fine (everything is coloured) Put JM lab back in and they are ok phase wise. So i have to assume the Audyssey is not 100% reliable for detecting phase problems.

You are correct in thinking that sometimes Audyssey can get the phase wrong.
If you are totally sure that you have the speakers wired up correctly to the receiver , and you are worried that there might be a problem, you could bring the speakers close together and watch them move during a song. Use a song with good bass and see if you can tell if the woofers are moving in and out at the same time. If they are, then you are fine. If you think that they are moving in and out at opposite times, then you could have a problem. There is an off chance that your speakers have been wired incorrectly inside your speaker cabinets.
Another test would be to take a 9 volt battery and QUICKLY (don't leave it there in contact) touch the positive speaker terminal to the positive battery terminal, and the negative to the negative. If your woofers move outwards then the speakers are wired correctly internally, and it is probably just Audyssey getting it wrong. If they move inwards, then they are reversed inside.

***EDIT***
Disconnect your speakers from your receiver before touching anything with a battery
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post #36083 of 48172
1/13/12 at 8:19am
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Originally Posted by caper_1 View Post

yeah, that sucks...I did that drive in Sep...from here it was 7 hrs; then i drove through Maine the next day. NS extends into the ocean...our border is tiny.

Would the ferry route be shorter / less expensive? Anyway the Overstock.com option maybe even more interesting for you then. If you create an account, add the RC-LCR to your cart and check out, you'll be able to see a detail of the fees involved before entering your credit card information. Changing the province doesn't seem to change shipping rates, taxes or duties. So that would still be a ~470 CAD total, which is not that bad. You'd get 60 days warranty from overstock. I'm really this close to place an order but I may find myself in the Montreal region in February, so maybe I could go with the Amazon/Vann's/Kinek option while there. I'm waiting for czechmka's feedback before deciding. Has any canadian here used Overstock.com? Are they reputable?

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Originally Posted by FieldingMelish View Post

I erected the first speaker and looked out to see if monkeys would start excitedly crowding all around it.

Exactly what I said: there's a 2001-esque purity to those black monoliths

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Originally Posted by enviro119 View Post

Any upgrades to my HT will be best spent to get a better sub. But I hear you and appreciate your concerns long term - real dilemma.

Thanks for your moral support And +1 on spending on a good sub. This goes a long way to provide a pleasing HT experience. As people in this thread told me, a good sub is really the foundation upon which a good HT setup is built. I don't regret at all upgrading my paltry ESW-C8 for an SVS.

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I have had the rc-70s with my JM lab speakers for about 60hrs use and i am having a hard time noticing much audio difference for HT use.

(...)

But yes having unmatched speakers forever would not sit well for me either if for no other reason they dont look good.

Yeah I must admit that I don't have that much of a problem with the CC-10 with the RC-70s right now. I didn't have much time to listen to movies yet so maybe I'll notice the tone difference more after a while. And yeah, I admit that esthetically it would be nice for the center to match. The thing is, the current prices at Vann's are only guaranteed up to Jan. 31st it seems. Not sure about Overstock.com though.
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post #36084 of 48172
1/13/12 at 8:33am
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Originally Posted by bpjadhav View Post

Hank, the tweeter module in the Veritas 2.3i consists of a 1" aluminium dome and 2" aluminium midrange. The problem in my speaker is with the 2" aluminium midrange. Since it is a part of the tweeter module, I referred to it broadly as a "tweeter issue". The midrange dome is not sold separately - I have to replace the entire tweeter module.

The speaker guy took the tweeter module out and connected it to some equipment. He then played some frequencies on it - not sure if he measured the resistance. There is a single mesh that covers both the 1" dome and the 2" dome - he removed the mesh and sort of "felt" around the 2" dome with a thin metallic strip. That's when he said the coil did not feel right and may have been blown.

Klipsh shipped the new tweeter module on Tuesday - it should arrive here on Friday or early next week. The old module is still in the speaker. I may take the old piece apart and take a look at it once I have replace it with the old one.

I am still looking for a good amp to drive these speakers. A killer deal showed up on Craigslist a couple of days back. The seller is about an hour away from me - he is selling an Emotiva XPA-2 and UPA-2 for $400. I e-mailed him but he said they were already sold... however, the ad is still up. I am sure he must be getting a lot of inquiries about them. don't know why he hasn't deleted the post:
http://providence.craigslist.org/ele/2792623534.html

I think I got it now. Your replacement part is around $800 right? I remember calling around just to see what I might get myself into if I blew anything up.
Just so you know, if you ever hurt your tweeter, you can order the diaphragm for about $70. Sorry to hear about your expensive troubles though.

I would definitely get and keep the old module. You never know what you can learn from it, or maybe pillage it later for future parts.

Sometimes I find that people leave their ads up for whatever reason. I wouldn't bet that they didn't sell them, they might be lazy or just interested to see what others would have offered. However, maybe they have someone that said they would pick them up on a later date (weekend) and the seller is keeping the ad up in case they are a no show. In that case you might still get lucky.
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post #36085 of 48172
1/13/12 at 8:38am
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Originally Posted by mgida View Post

Dear All,
i have already purchased a JBL SCS 200.5. system a couple of months ago, which is quite good to my amateur ears..
However the praises for the Take 5 Classic package are driving me crazy.
I wanted to ask you if one can notice a considerable difference in between take 5 classic 5.1 and other brands with approx the same system specs.
My listening practice:
- 16ft X 20ft living room
- never exceeding mid level volume power
- for both movies and music.
So clarity in the highest volume level is not my priority.

I can not find it in my closer countries in Europe for testing or buying, so I will have to order it from US.
I WILL order it and wait for quite some time, BUT ONLY if you suggest me that its going to make a difference in its output.

Thanks in Advance
M.G.

I have never heard those JBL's, but I really liked the Take Classics that I had. The Takes are nice and clear.
If you are already happy with your relatively new JBL system that you have, I wouldn't really worry about getting the Take system if it was me.
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post #36086 of 48172
1/13/12 at 9:43am
I'm trying to compare between going with the simple Take Classic 5.0 package or spending a lot more to go with 4 RC-10's/20's and RC LCR for the center.

I have a 15x15 listening area, Denon 591 AVR, and usage is about 50% XBox, 30% movies, 20% music. I also plan on getting a Bic F12 sub.

Is the Take Classic package "good enough" or would I get a significant upgrade, enough to warrant the price difference, going with some combination of the RC's?
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post #36087 of 48172
1/13/12 at 9:53am
bifftannen,

It does not sound like you will be using them primarily for music. There are no RC-20's. Are you talking about RC-30's? Of course, if you have enough space and money is not an issue, the RC set will be better. As you probably have read here, RC-10's and RC-LCR's are very much liked.

I have the Take Classics in my bedroom, which is about the same space as your listening area. I don't have enough room for the RC's, but I am pretty happy with the Take Classics as long as you do pair them with a subwoofer.

Did you look into RC-Micros as well?
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post #36088 of 48172
1/13/12 at 9:54am
There is a pair of black rc-50 on ebay for $333.00. Pretty sure I've seen them listed before though...

I'm still looking for cherry rc-50's. Not an easy find!
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post #36089 of 48172
1/13/12 at 10:04am
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Originally Posted by torht View Post

bifftannen,

It does not sound like you will be using them primarily for music. There are no RC-20's. Are you talking about RC-30's? Of course, if you have enough space and money is not an issue, the RC set will be better. As you probably have read here, RC-10's and RC-LCR's are very much liked.

I have the Take Classics in my bedroom, which is about the same space as your listening area. I don't have enough room for the RC's, but I am pretty happy with the Take Classics as long as you do pair them with a subwoofer.

Did you look into RC-Micros as well?


Thanks for the quick response. I do have the space for the RC's and am willing to shell out more for the RC's, and reading the glowing recommendations around here for the RC's makes me inclined to believe the upgrade over the Take Classic set would be worth it and better long-term investment.....
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post #36090 of 48172
1/13/12 at 10:23am
Another question: is the Take Classic package available in any retail stores or do you pretty much have to order them online?
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