Energy Owners Thread - Page 1211

Originally Posted by CalgaryCowboy

From what I have read there is a huge difference between the CF-50 and CF-70. The RC-70 and V6.3 are better then the ones you have listed including the 6.2. The CFs are entry level speakers that are on the bright side and lively. Many people happy with them for home theater but not as detailed as the V or RC series. Both RC-70s (2006-2010) and V6.3 (2010-present) are considered flagship models. See the link at the end of my post of info. For you the difference is mostly better construction/finish on the V series. RC is slightly more laid back and smooth. The V-series is slightly more forward and agressive and a smidge brighter. The RC-70s represent the better value right now acousticly and the V6.3 are a better value astheticly. These speakers do needed a extended break in period before they achieve there final sound so don't judge them right out of the box as they will change.

Originally Posted by zdoggz

I decided on the onkyo nr809 (room is roughly 10X20) since it really seemed to be the best bang for my buck. As others said, it really depends on what you are looking to get from your receiver. For a 10X10 room you could really get a smaller less expensive receiver and put the rest towards something else...unless you see yourself keeping your receiver and some day moving it to a bigger room. The 809 is a thx 7.2 receiver that has some nice video processing capabilities (upconverts everything to 1080p, supports 4k resolution, etc) and supplies 135w per channel (8ohm speakers) and I think 160w per channel (6ohm speakers). It also has Audyssey MultEQ XT and nice networking capabilities, but again it is all in what you want. The only thing the onkyos dont have is apple airplay support, but i wirelessly stream my music to it from my laptop anyway so I didnt care.

Originally Posted by thiagovlira

Hello Guys,

Im brand new to this forum and this is my first post. I looked around to see if anyone posted anything related to my question and I didn't find anything, so here it goes:

I bought 2 Enercy CF-50 and one 8" Energy Sub. I have them setup in my 20'x20' living room. The speakers are around 5-6' from my couch. I have them connected with a Pioneer VSX-50.

I bought them at a Magnolia center to try it out at my house, so far my HT out of the box sounded better then these speakers, maybe because I don't have the surround speakers with my present setup ?

I also bought 2 Energy Veritas 6.2 at Vanns and it was a bargain, open box but no cosmetic blemishes. They are getting here this week, I will try them out and see which one I like it better and return whatever I don't.

My question is, both of them are 2.5 way but I could also have gotten the Veritas 6.3 which is a 3 way for 200 dollars more per speaker. What would be the difference among the CF-50, the Veritas 6.2 and 6.3 ? I mainly watch movies and tv on this setup but on weekends it's 90% music at loud volume (Partyy!).

Should I try the 6.3 also or should I save these 200 dollars per speaker and get a pair of surround speakers to go with the front ones ?

I was browsing at the Vann's website and they have some good deals on the CF-70's and RC-70s also. What do you guys think about them ? Are the Veritas better than the latter ?

Thanks in advance for the help and sorry if someone already posted my question!

Originally Posted by thiagovlira

The price on the RC-70 are really good on Vanns, so that was my question because I read that some people prefer the RC over the Veritas but the one I got is the 2.5 way and the RC 70 are 3 way. Can I still compare them soundwise ? My other concern it's the CF-50 has two woofers and one midrange speakers while the Veritas 6.2 have two woofers only.

When I mentioned the HTIB I meant that the whole system was HTIB, the speakers and the receiver also. I changed the whole setup last week and when I switched the speakers to the CF-50s and to the Pioneer receiver and yes, I did use the calibration and it is on stereo mode. I was planning in getting a REL T1 or T2 subwoofer instead of the one I got, I will probably return the Energy sub and get the REL.

Originally Posted by thiagovlira

Calgary, I read your comparison and it is really helpful. Regarding the breaking time, how long usually it takes for the true sound appear ?

So, for the price the RC-70s will be better than the 6.3 acoustically ? Like on my previous post, I was concerned because the 6.2 is a 2.5 way speaker and it doesn't have a midrange speaker on it while the 6.3 and the RC-70s have.

Originally Posted by jjl4004

Others have already provided helpful information but I thought I'd chip in with my $.02. Your CF-50s should sound much better than a HTIB, so I'm guessing you have something connected incorrectly or your receiver settings are not optimal.

Regarding the CF-50sI don't know what you paid for them, but if they were anything close to the $275 per speaker range, I'd go with the CF-70s in Vann's clearance section. Now, that is IF you decide to keep stick with the C series sound.

I was keeping an eye on those V6.2s and you got them for a great price! If they are anything like their cousin RC-50, you should be very impressed with them.

To really give you a suggestion on what to get, you should be more specific with what your budget is. It has been my experience with Energy speakers (C-series and RC series) that there really is a noticeable improvement in sound quality as you move up each speaker in their respective line. Most of them sound good and as you move up each line, you pay for incremental increases in sound quality/characteristics. You just need to balance what your expectations are in a speaker with your budget.

Originally Posted by neutro

Yeah, Vann's price (and FutureShop's in Canada) for the RC-70 is exceptional, as I said. Prices on the Veritas line are good too compared to MSRP. As for comparing the smaller towers (v6.2, RC-50, CF-50) vs the larger ones (v6.3, RC-70, CF-70), well, I can't comment much. I remember comments in this thread stating that the CF-70 was a notch above all other CF speakers for example. Not sure if this applies, says, for RC-70 compared to RC-50, or v6.3 compared to v6.2. The difference is that the 70's and v6.3 use larger woofers, have a larger cabinet, and are 3-way designs. So the bass response from the larger towers is better. The dedicated midrange should help also. Even if the CF-50 has a third woofer, it's still a 2.5-way design (i.e. the bottom two woofers get frequency content below the lower cross-over point, and the top woofer gets frequency content below the upper crossover-point, including below the lower cross-over point -- no driver gets only the mid-range as in the v6.3, RC-70 and CF-70. Still, this is not a guarantee of quality -- there are excellent 2.5-way speakers).

As I said above, I haven't compared so I can't tell if it's really worth more money. That being said, if you have the money, the RC-70 deal at Vann's is absolutely great and it's a top performer.




When you say the CF-50s sounded worse than your HTIB then, was that listening to music, movies? Can you describe what you fell sounds worse? Of course without a center channel and surrounds, you're missing some of the action in movies. But the CF-50 should be much better than HTIB fronts.

Originally Posted by CalgaryCowboy

I don't think you can say which one sounds better as it is personal preference. Just that they are so close that the RC-70 becomes the better value.

Now if you want my suggestion and this is totally IMHO I would suggest the v6.3 for you over the RC-70.

The V6.3s have an advantage in both low bass and imaging which will be better for your home theater experience. When you said "party" music I would also suggest the V6.3s as the lively nature of these speakers are good for that. The RC-70s are a little more laid back which sometimes can sound dull with pop type music. A warning/caution on both of these speakers is they are very detailed and revealing. If you are using low quality music these speakers will not gloss over it, they will play every thing in the recording good and bad.

As far as break in check the manual but from my experience on RC-70s and V6.3s between 3-30 hours the biggest change happens and is done by 80hours. Think energy recomends 90 hours.

Originally Posted by thiagovlira

Calgary, I only listen to blu-ray concert shows so I guess I will be ok regarding the quality of recording.

I do want to give a try on the 6.3 but they are way more expensive then the RC-70s. Is the difference really that noticeable ?

I spent $699 on a pair of 6.2 and the 6.3 is $799 per speaker. I could go to the RC70 which will be only $100 dollars more.

Originally Posted by thiagovlira

My old speakers were more clear and I could hear more details in the sound but again I think it is the surround speakers that are making the difference here.

I think I will give the RC-70s a try because the 6.3 are way more expensive and for what you said and other people said they are really close soundwise but for the money they are at least 300 dollars apart per speaker.

Originally Posted by thiagovlira

I believe the difference that I'm hearing is because I don't have the center channel and the surround speakers. I'm really picky when it comes to sound, I listen lots of music and I've been playing guitar for the past 10 years. I may not know technical stuff but I can tell the difference in the sounds.

I bought the CF-50s on the BB magnolia center, I paid a fortune for it but I'm going to return them once the 6.2 gets here. I'm only test driving them.

I was not planning spending more then 350'ish per speaker BUT if the difference is really that big between the 6.2/RC50 and 6.3/RC70 I could spend a little bit more and go with the 3 way speakers but then again which should I get ? RC-70 where I would spend 900'ish/pair and the 6.3 I would spend 799 per speaker ? Is that a big of the difference in sound ?

Originally Posted by CalgaryCowboy

Big difference between the RC-70s and the others. Between the RC-70s and V6.3s not so much. I think you would be happy with either so go for the RC-70s.

Originally Posted by jjl4004


Okay, goodthe CF-50s are going back. You shouldn't pay Best Buy prices for those.

If your ultimate goal is to build a 5.1/7.1 set up, you should also take into consideration each line's respective center channels in both price and availability. Most would agree that it's best to have a center channel from the same line as your L/R speakers. The RC-LCR is cheaper, but who knows how long it will be in stock. The V5.2c should be around for a while, but who knows how much longer you'll be able to pick one up for around $350.

I bought some RC-50s a few months ago for a little less than I think you paid for the V6.2s. I really liked them but thought they were missing a little something in the mids at lower volumes. I stumbled across a deal on some used RC-70s, bought those and they solved that problem as well as provided better bass response. However, if I didn't get as good of a deal as I did on the 70s, I would not have bought them, as I really liked the 50s. At new prices, are the RC-70s worth $100 per speaker more than the RC-50s? IMO, yes, if you can afford it.

Regarding the comparison between the 6.3s and RC70s, I really can't comment on that. CalgaryCowboy posted a nice comparison/review that might help you. At this point, I think you should listen to the 6.2s and decide for yourself. Give them a little time to break in and then post your thoughts on themI don't recall anybody posting their thoughts on the V6.2s specifically. If you think they are a little too bright, you should return them and go for the RC-70s. However, I'm guessing you'll be happy with them. This was kind of a scattered response, but there really isn't a right answer to your question.

EDIT - looks like you already made you decision, which is a good one. Get both the V6.2s and RC-70s and decide for yourself! The perfect solution!

Originally Posted by FieldingMelish

I still maintain that the Takes are a gateway drug.

Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous

Sweet! Looks great! Where are you going to hide the amp?

Originally Posted by DAC21

They sure were for me, since buying the 5.1 from Circuit City Closeout, I went Take > RC-10 + Mini CC + s10.3 + CB-5 Sur. And System 2 went froma C-50 2.0 set up to RC-Mini ESW-V8 2.1

Nothing to High end, but the man cave is only 10.5 x 11., and the Wife is too busy watching the Food Channel to take advantage of System 2 very much. I left my Energy fix at that point.

Originally Posted by neutro

Welcome in the club (both SVS owners; and also SVS+Energy combo owners).

Originally Posted by hilandstrata

Anybody know what crossover components are used in the veritas 6.3? Any pics?

Originally Posted by caper_1

He is new to the SVS club but not Energy!

Originally Posted by neutro

Why the hell is he posting here then

(Seriously didn't YOTR mention RC-10s? Or he just bought them and did not get them yet so he's not technically an Energy owner yet?)

(BTW we are all referring to each other as "he" in this thread. Sorry for any woman lurking here :P What, we never know.)

Originally Posted by FieldingMelish

I did get hosed returning a VSW10 to Vanns. I'm on the fence about sending back RC-10's., which I had up front until the 70's arrived. Thinking about V5.1's, but the exchange would be bad for the wallet. Those UPS return shipment costs come close to killing the tax savings from the remaining gear. Probably not worth returning and exchanging.

Originally Posted by hilandstrata

Thanks Loss, Doesn't look like much to them, hell, my lsi9 crossovers look more complex. Has anybody around here modded the v-6.3 crossover?