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post #36331 of 48191
1/18/12 at 12:22am
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Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous View Post

Welcome

Try these guys out
http://www.gentec-intl.com/

and these guys
http://ndgservice.ca/data/pdf/energy_1.pdf

Energy seems to be getting less and less helpful as time goes on. Hopefully one of those guys can help you out. Good luck on getting your speakers back up and running

Sadly, I think I tried both of those sources ( you might have led me to them, actually! ) when I was trying to locate a replacement tweeter for my C-6's. Neither one, to my recollection, had them. I actually ended up purchasing a pair of 2+2's for $200 to get parts; a replacement tweeter (they said) would be around $70-80 if they could locate it, so 4 for $200 w/the 2+2's didn't turn out too bad. Hate to pull them for parts, but that's the only source I could find.

Hopefully he can get back to us if he has different luck!
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post #36332 of 48191
1/18/12 at 4:13am
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

Why dont you just buy the 6.3's and stop teasing yourself? You know that's what you really want!

You know you read my mind!! Haha I may actually just bite the bullet and go all out with the 6.3s. Now I am justifying this purchase with the FF money I won this year and the couple hundred I got over the holidays. (see...i always try to justify! hahaha)

I figure I might as well take advantage of the time I have now where it is just my wife and me (no kids...yet!).

Ill keep you posted! !!!
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post #36333 of 48191
1/18/12 at 6:37am
Not an Energy Speaker but I will be pairing with my Energy's so I thought I would share with the Energy Family: Its a TRIO12 with 2 PRs and a SPA500 amp in a 24" cube
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post #36334 of 48191
1/18/12 at 8:07am
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Originally Posted by zdoggz View Post

You know you read my mind!! Haha I may actually just bite the bullet and go all out with the 6.3s. Now I am justifying this purchase with the FF money I won this year and the couple hundred I got over the holidays. (see...i always try to justify! hahaha)

I figure I might as well take advantage of the time I have now where it is just my wife and me (no kids...yet!).

Ill keep you posted! !!!

Turned out to be a bit of a no brainer for me to just get the v6.3's once i saw they had a bundle savings with these of about $260 when purchasing the sub, surrounds, and center together, which i already did a few weeks ago. So, i called vanns and they had no problem honoring the bundle deal since I essentially purchased it in a round about way. Bottom line - the cost difference ended up being $340 (not $600) to get the 2 v6.3's instead of the 2 v6.2's. Im pumped and cant wait to listen to these suckers!!
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post #36335 of 48191
1/18/12 at 9:09am
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Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous View Post


I haven't tried this yet, but now I'm curious. I will give it a shot sometime when I have a couple of hours to really sit back and listen for any differences.

Have you tried switching them around? How do you have yours wired up?

Mine are bi-wired with one amp feeding the lows, and another feeding the mids and highs. The amp feeding the mids/highs is connected to the mid. Never tried anything different.
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post #36336 of 48191
1/18/12 at 9:22am
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post


While I have not read the whole 4 part series, there is some controversy about that article. I wouldn't take it all as gospel when they claim that "Although JRMC reported an accurate rip for all reading speeds, and are bit-for-bit identicle at all reading speeds, we are still able to detect sonic differences in the resulting files." Makes no logical sense.

Only the gospel is gospel right. Everything else can and should be questioned

Despite the controversial points, there is still a lot of solid information in the articles. Thanks for the link. I'll be checking back to see how the arguments progress. Meanwhile enjoying 1.8 bliss (gotta reference energy somehow).
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post #36337 of 48191
1/18/12 at 12:31pm
Check your EQ in the 4-10K range!
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post #36338 of 48191
1/18/12 at 1:01pm
Hey guys,

I just bought a Pioneer 821 receiver and the Definitive 60.6 5.1 speaker set.

So far, I'm pretty unhappy with the sound I'm getting. It seems like I'm missing some midrange and the speakers sound very bright and some times, harsh (like when an audience applauds). I've probably got 30-40 hours of play time on the speakers so I'm starting to think that speaker break-in isn't going to save me.

That being said, I'm considering the Take Classic 5.1 set(it's the same price as the DT 60.6 setup). However, I'm a bit concerned about the power rating on the sub (50W RMS) and worried that it might flop or distort at low frequencies or louder volume levels. Can anyone provide some feedback on the sub?

FYI, this is just for my computer room where I do my PC/Console gaming as well as listen to music while I browse the web. I can't go much bigger than the Take Classics and don't really want to spend more than the $400 I spent on the DT 60.6 speakers.

I appreciate any feedback you can give me on the Take Classic 5.1 setup (especially the sub) or if you have any other similarly size/priced recommendations.

Thanks,
Rich
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post #36339 of 48191
1/18/12 at 1:09pm
I guess another option is to go with the Take Classic satellite system (which is on sale @ newegg I think) and do a separate sub like this one $150 @ amazon

the top end of the frequency response for the sub overlaps that satellites quite well.
http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-10-...p_ob_e_title_1

Thoughts?
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post #36340 of 48191
1/18/12 at 1:09pm
Hi guys,

I have a pair of CB20 and i going to buy a central speaker to play with them.

I´m almost buying cc-5, cause cc-10 is so so big to my hack.

So i´d kindly ask you, cc-5 is gonna be "ok" with CB20´s ? Or not gonna fit well and i should buy cc-10, even if ill got a "monster" at my hack :/ ?

ps : I live in a apartment, use the HT for 50/50 (music/movies) and cant play it too loud, because of the neighboors and small child at home.

Ty so much! (and sorry about my english)
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post #36341 of 48191
1/18/12 at 1:14pm
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Originally Posted by Dragonrib View Post

I have a pair of CB20 and i going to buy a central speaker to play with them.

I´m almost buying cc-5, cause cc-10 is so so big to my hack.

So i´d kindly ask you, cc-5 is gonna be "ok" with CB20´s ? Or not gonna fit well and i should buy cc-10, even if ill got a "monster" at my hack :/ ?

CC-10.

Not a question of loudness; only a question of tone. I had a setup with the CB-20 and bought a CC-5 but the CC-5 is very small and unable to reproduce the bass anywhere like the CB-20s, so that the differences between the fronts and center become considerable and really annoying. The match betweent the CC-10 and CB-20 is near perfect. The CC-5 would be perfect for CB-5s, and probably already too small for CB-10s. Yes the CC-10 is big, but consider, up to 60% of the sound is coming through the center speaker in a movie.
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post #36342 of 48191
1/18/12 at 1:21pm
Neutro , do you a have a picture of your, or any others setups, with the cb20´s + cc-10, in order i can get a better idea of his real size ?

And thanks for answering....
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post #36343 of 48191
1/18/12 at 1:30pm
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Originally Posted by Dragonrib View Post

Neutro , do you a have a picture of your, or any others setups, with the cb20´s + cc-10, in order i can get a better idea of his real size ?

Sorry, I don't have any pics of my (old) setup with the CB-20s. The CC-10 is a tad smaller than two CB-20s on their sides. In this picture from Energy itself showing all the Connoisseur line, the CC-10 is the biggest center on the lower left (the CC-5 is above it). The CB-20 is on the floor on the right of the CC-10.



According to Energy's site, the exact size for the CC-10 is 7.1 x 19.7 x 9.9 inches.
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post #36344 of 48191
1/18/12 at 1:48pm
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Originally Posted by Keeb View Post

Hey guys,

I just bought a Pioneer 821 receiver and the Definitive 60.6 5.1 speaker set.

So far, I'm pretty unhappy with the sound I'm getting. It seems like I'm missing some midrange and the speakers sound very bright and some times, harsh (like when an audience applauds). I've probably got 30-40 hours of play time on the speakers so I'm starting to think that speaker break-in isn't going to save me.

That being said, I'm considering the Take Classic 5.1 set(it's the same price as the DT 60.6 setup). However, I'm a bit concerned about the power rating on the sub (50W RMS) and worried that it might flop or distort at low frequencies or louder volume levels. Can anyone provide some feedback on the sub?

FYI, this is just for my computer room where I do my PC/Console gaming as well as listen to music while I browse the web. I can't go much bigger than the Take Classics and don't really want to spend more than the $400 I spent on the DT 60.6 speakers.

I appreciate any feedback you can give me on the Take Classic 5.1 setup (especially the sub) or if you have any other similarly size/priced recommendations.

Thanks,
Rich


Like you said......you could get this set for $180 on newegg now (ends today).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882269004

Then you'll have $220 to spend on a better sub.....there are some pretty decent options for that price like the BIC F12 or V1220.
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post #36345 of 48191
1/18/12 at 5:26pm
I am checking out right now some V-minis I picked up. Real nice for the size. Gets a little muddled at full range but with a 120hz cross over the are great.

They are going back into the boxes soon for use in my home office, bedroom or zone 2.

Fighting an ear ache right now so can't turn it up. I was messing with my sub and think I damaged something in my left ear last night.. It is sensitve/hurts even to car radio right now hope it goes away in a day or two.
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post #36346 of 48191
1/18/12 at 6:51pm
I have a pair of V mini's doing surround duties to good effect with an otherwise all RC system. They are just a tiny bit larger than my Take Classics, but oh, so much heavier. Good stuff inside them. I am using them over the RC-10's for the size - looks nicer in my small room, fulfills the WAF, and they sit atop the Sanus tall stands that would have been somewhat wayward supporting RC-10's. RC-10's, if they remain, will be office, bedroom or zone 2, lol.
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post #36347 of 48191
1/18/12 at 6:57pm
Yeah, the V-minis are heavier than I expected and feel solid. Audessy set them at 110hz and my testing seamed to confirm that they sound best at that.
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post #36348 of 48191
1/18/12 at 7:36pm
I'm using v-minis as heights in my otherwise rc system. Funny that audyssey set them to 80hz on my system though. They are mounted on the wall, a couple inches below the top of an 8' ceiling and pointed directly at the listener. I wonder why mine were set at 80hz and yours at 110hz? Mic is always at ear position when I calibrate...
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post #36349 of 48191
1/18/12 at 7:45pm
Mine was just a quick one position check. I find the more positions it gets more accurate. I tested with direct mode switching to stereo with different cross overs and sub on and off. I looked for the cross over where both direct and steroe sounded the same with the sub off and went from there. Also ran test tones. Would say that it starts to come on at 90hz. Cross over at 100hz seemed to be the sweet spot. At 90 speakers were experiencing some stress and sound suffered at 120hz some vocals were being sent to the sub and mid base the speakers where doing a good job on disappeared.

Mine were sitting on RC-10 sitting on stands so maybe that had something to do with it.

Hey batpig.... guess what I finally bought a tri pod : )
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post #36350 of 48191
1/18/12 at 8:46pm
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Originally Posted by jasonmichaelh View Post

I'm using v-minis as heights in my otherwise rc system. Funny that audyssey set them to 80hz on my system though. They are mounted on the wall, a couple inches below the top of an 8' ceiling and pointed directly at the listener. I wonder why mine were set at 80hz and yours at 110hz? Mic is always at ear position when I calibrate...

Having them wall mounted, and so close to the ceiling, is going to "trick" Audyssey a bit, since that positioning will reinforce the upper bass a bit.

It may very well be measuring the -3dB point low enough for your AVR to select 80Hz for the xover... but the V-Mini really should be crossed over at 100Hz minimum... higher if they aren't wall mounted and just serving surround duty...
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post #36351 of 48191
1/18/12 at 9:07pm
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Originally Posted by Motovet View Post

Had some questions over on the denon 4311ci thread which i now own, but thought I'd bring it over here.







The old stuff is:
Connoisseur C-8 Fronts
EC-200 center
EFX rear surrounds
ES-12 sub

Newer:
RC-R side surrounds

Also an update: I have an AC-300 on the way and also may pick up an XL S-12 sub to add. So what would be a good route to take given the space shown? Is there room here for sides, heights be better?
Room dimensions are:
8' ceilings (front wall)
19'W X 22'L
Seating 12' back.

Cleaned up the earlier post....
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post #36352 of 48191
1/18/12 at 9:56pm
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Originally Posted by jasonmichaelh View Post

I wonder why mine were set at 80hz and yours at 110hz?

you answered your own question: "They are mounted on the wall, a couple inches below the top of an 8' ceiling"

boundaries, and especially corners, provide bass reinforcement.
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post #36353 of 48191
1/18/12 at 9:58pm
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Originally Posted by Motovet View Post

Cleaned up the earlier post....

after looking at the photos you can't really do "wide" channel effectively. The opening and brick wall on the right, and the fact that the couch is up against the wall on the left, kind of rules it out. But I don't think it's a big loss for you considering how wide your fronts are spaced and the face that you have bipole/dipole side surrounds. You should get pretty nice envelopment. You could try placing the RC-R's to the sides but slightly ahead of the listening position and set to dipole mode, which could help "fill the gap" between the fronts and surrounds.

I would run a 9ch setup with heights in that room if it were me.

But nice room!

If it will fly with the WAF, I might think about a pair of acoustic panels on the front wall behind the main L/R speakers. Also, how far are the C-8's out from the back wall? You might benefit by bringing them forward a bit, and also possibly even making them a bit narrower (closer together) and toed in slightly. But this is something you should experiment with in your own room.

Also, I would recommend wall-mounting the TV so you can place that full-size center on top of the console.
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post #36354 of 48191
1/18/12 at 11:28pm
Thanks for that. So for heights in that room still the in ceilings, or is that high enough for something on the wall? Where would the best placement for those be? And if I pick up that XL-S sub would it play nice with the ES? Lastly the panels are interesting...never looked into those, and not even sure where to source.
As for the sides, I have them set up as you suggested, so that should be good.
I like the room too, not good in the day without the drapes for veiwing as it's all window, but I don't watch much during the day and the the view is a big reason we live here.
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post #36355 of 48191
1/19/12 at 6:20am
My new Denon AVR-791 should be arriving today to replace my aged and busted Denon 1602.

When I bought the 1602 in 2002, I also bought a pair of Energy XL bookshelf speakers for my FR and FL.

I have an even older non-energy center channel that I'd like to replace. Should I try to find a matching Energy XL-C100 to go with my bookshelfs or would a more modern (and much more expensive it seems) Energy center speaker sound significantly better and somewhat match the sound of the fronts?

Or are the XLs so old that even low end Energy Speakers completely outclass them?

TL;DR Are my 2003 Energy XL speakers worth matching with a same era XL-C100 center or should I buy 3 (or 5) new speakers?
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post #36356 of 48191
1/19/12 at 8:35am
Hey guys,

Thinking about possibly upgrading my RC-30 fronts to RC-50's.

Current setup is RC-30 fronts, RC-LCR, and RC-10 surrounds with a S10.3 sub.

I know without a sub, the RC-50's would definitely be an upgrade for the 6.5" woofers and the better bass response. However, the fronts will be crossed over around 80hz probably regardless of whether I use the RC-30's or 50's.

Would their be a noticeable difference between the 30's and 50's above the 80hz range? Would I be better off keeping the 30's since the 5.5" woofers might be more accurate in the mid-range?

If I did purchase the 50's, i figure the the purchase/swapping/selling of speakers would end up costing me around $200. Worth it in your opinion with my setup?
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post #36357 of 48191
1/19/12 at 8:56am
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Originally Posted by kgallerie View Post

Thinking about possibly upgrading my RC-30 fronts to RC-50's.

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If I did purchase the 50's, i figure the the purchase/swapping/selling of speakers would end up costing me around $200. Worth it in your opinion with my setup?

To paraphrase someone earlier in this thread, stop teasing yourself Why not go to RC-70s instead? If it's a money issue, then stop spending on your home theater. Seriously; if you're that tight, pay the bills first. Ok if you're not tight on money, then consider the RC-70s because if you get the RC-50s you will wonder about them. It'll be cheaper overall if you get them now, and the prices are good. That would be only 200$ more for the pair.

The only caveat is if it's a question of size / decor / WAF / etc.
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post #36358 of 48191
1/19/12 at 10:30am
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

To paraphrase someone earlier in this thread, stop teasing yourself Why not go to RC-70s instead? If it's a money issue, then stop spending on your home theater. Seriously; if you're that tight, pay the bills first. Ok if you're not tight on money, then consider the RC-70s because if you get the RC-50s you will wonder about them. It'll be cheaper overall if you get them now, and the prices are good. That would be only 200$ more for the pair.

The only caveat is if it's a question of size / decor / WAF / etc.

LOL.....I know what you are saying.......

There is a pair of 50's for sale locally.........so the difference between be getting the 50's and the 70's would be around $500......

My girlfriend just bought a townhouse and I got her a pair of RC-10's for the fronts. I would sell the 10's, move the RC-30's there, and get the 50's for my condo. If i can tell her that the switch only cost me $200, that might fly. If I told her it cost me $700, I'd be looking for advice on speakers....... and advice on finding a new girlfriend.

Any other thoughts on how 50's would perform vs. 30's in a setup with a decent sub?
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post #36359 of 48191
1/19/12 at 10:46am
are you unhappy with the current sound? just trying to scratch an itch? to me, it seems like a lot of fuss and moving parts over an incremental improvement, but I haven't heard the 30's vs. the 50's directly.
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post #36360 of 48191
1/19/12 at 10:49am
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Originally Posted by HSTech View Post

My new Denon AVR-791 should be arriving today to replace my aged and busted Denon 1602.

When I bought the 1602 in 2002, I also bought a pair of Energy XL bookshelf speakers for my FR and FL.

I have an even older non-energy center channel that I'd like to replace. Should I try to find a matching Energy XL-C100 to go with my bookshelfs or would a more modern (and much more expensive it seems) Energy center speaker sound significantly better and somewhat match the sound of the fronts?

Or are the XLs so old that even low end Energy Speakers completely outclass them?

TL;DR Are my 2003 Energy XL speakers worth matching with a same era XL-C100 center or should I buy 3 (or 5) new speakers?

the XL speakers are pretty comparable in sound quality to the current entry-level offerings (C-series). If you are happy with the sound, and on a strict budget, I would keep an eye out for a "matching" center from the XL series which should be cheap used ($50-75).

if you are looking for a real upgrade, and have some budget room, I would upgrade the front 3 speakers to RC's and move the XLs to surrounds. A front end of RC-10 + RC-LCR would be a very nice update to the system. If you can afford even more $$ and space RC towers + RC-LCR would be even better.
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