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post #3811 of 47687
8/12/08 at 11:53am
crossover setting is really room/speaker dependent, there is no right or wrong answer. When in doubt, 80Hz is a great starting point as that's the THX recommendation. Basically, the only answer is to try it and see which sounds better. I probably wouldn't go higher than 80 with big speakers like the RC-70 + RC-LCR.

Your 6190 should have an auto-calibration program -- an auto-calibration like Audyssey (not on the Yamaha) can analyze room acoustics and recommend an optical crossover position. Maybe run your auto-setup and see what YPAO tells you.
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post #3812 of 47687
8/12/08 at 12:10pm
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Your 6190 should have an auto-calibration program -- an auto-calibration like Audyssey (not on the Yamaha) can analyze room acoustics and recommend an optical crossover position. Maybe run your auto-setup and see what YPAO tells you.

The choice of crossover is the one thing that noone seems to like about Yamaha YPAO. Plenty of posts saying it set speakers to large when they should be small, or vice versa, or asking why it chose such a high crossover. Probably better with Yamaha to set the speaker size and crossover manually before running YPAO. And in fact I'm not impressed with YPAO in general, so be sure to compare with and without EQ, just to be sure it didn't make things worse (I also have the 6190).
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post #3813 of 47687
8/12/08 at 1:38pm
Got to be honest and when I had my Yammi I was not a fan of the YPAO either. Strange results.Speaker size changes... Once it set my XOver to 120. Get yourself a Rat Shack SPL meter, if you don't already have one and do the work....pretty simple actually, much better results IMHO.
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post #3814 of 47687
8/12/08 at 2:12pm
The YPAO sucks! Easily the worst of the bunch! It's completely off and your receiver will probably sound better if you did the calculations by ear.

This is why my next amp will be a Denon as the Audessey XT is amazing and calibrates your sub too.
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post #3815 of 47687
8/12/08 at 2:51pm
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If your primary use is movies - I'd stick with the RC line and go with the RC-R's, but wait until they're on sale (they're $400 each - so total would be same as the RC-50's). If your listening to Multi-channel music - I'd go with the RC-10's - but again - wait for a sale (their MSRP is $749 / pair).

For a Center - go with the RC-LCR to match your RC-50's (most important) but again, you guessed it, wait for a sale (I picked mine up for a shade under $500).

What about a sub? Do you already have one?


Awesome, thanks for the recommendations... A sub is something I will be getting as well.. I think the Velodyne (sp?) has been recommended a lot on this board....
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post #3816 of 47687
8/12/08 at 3:33pm
Hey guys!!

I've decided to go for a set of Energy Speakers for my room. (Regular sized Bedroom).
Im choosing the following.. can anyone give recommendations? Thanks

My goal is around 2000$ max

Energy C500 for the 2 speakers. (500)
C-C100 for Center. (250)
Surround is C R100 (300)

My goal is to watch movies and play PS3.. I will link it to Onkyo 606 and use SVS PB12-NSD subwoofer (1000$ total)

I really like the RC-R. (600) for surround. Would that be too much for a C-series setup?

and anywhere to buy a set of Energy minus the subwoofer? It may be cheaper
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post #3817 of 47687
8/12/08 at 4:47pm
That'll be one hell of a bedroom system!!

With that kind of sub, and for a bedroom, do you really need big tower speakers up front? You could save room the budget by going bookshelves in front (C-200 or even RC-10's + RC-LCR).

I wouldn't spend more on the surrounds than the front end, if anything go RC in the front and C-R100 in the back.

Are you in US or Canada? That makes a difference in terms of retail availability.
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post #3818 of 47687
8/12/08 at 10:58pm
Im in USA Los Angeles
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post #3819 of 47687
8/13/08 at 10:16am
then you can definitely buy without subwoofer.

Check out Amazon and AudioAdvisor, which are the only two Energy authorized online dealers (as far as I know). Also, go to www.energy-speakers.com and check their authorized dealer database, you should be able to find a local dealer in LA.
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post #3820 of 47687
8/13/08 at 3:36pm
So I am thinking of selling my old energy's and getting new ones. I absolutely love my current set up but due to a smaller apartment I think I need to get satellites. Also the wife doesn't like looking at all these big speakers everywhere. Currently I am running:

TV: Samsung HLT5676S

Source: PS3, Xbox360, Wii, Comcast Hi-Def

Reciever: Sony STR-DA555ES (soon to be upgraded to Onkyo TX-SR606

Center: Energy AC-300 (dual 6.5", 1" tweeter)

Fronts: Energy Connoisseur C-4 (floor standing 8", 1" tweeter)

Rears: Energy Connoisseur C-4 (floor standing 8", 1" tweeter)

Sub: e:X-LS12 (12" driver)



I am definitely upgrading the reciever to the Onkyo but I am torn between just replacing the rears with smaller bookshelfs or just replacing everything with the takeclassic system. Reviews have been great and she will be a lot happier. What do you guys think?
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post #3821 of 47687
8/14/08 at 2:50am
Hi, i have just registered here, i am in need of some advice since i have been trying for many months now to find a pair of loudspeakers with good highs but not too bright mainly for music but also for a bit of HT and I am thinking of buying the RC-50s. I enjoy the sound of crisp, clear electric guitars especially when there are 2 or 3 of them playing simultaneously different leads and riffs along with the bass guitar, keyboards, percussion and vocals, therefore it is very important for me that i get a clear and detailed sound.

I will connect the speakers to a cambridge audio 540R receiver, which i already own. I am aiming in purchasing speakers to use at a moderate sound volume but still provide me with the clarity and detail in music. I will use a 5.1 set up, i am thinking of getting the Energy RC-50 for fronts, Energy RC-minis for surrounds and the Energy RC-LCR or C-100 for the center and maybe the sub S8.3 (although boomy bass is not really my thing) and as i said connect these to my 540R amp. i am mentioning the rc-minis and C-100 instead of the rc-10 and rc-lcr to save on money. The size of my room is 6 x 7 meters (20 x 23 feet). Do u think this is a good set up? any recommendations/suggestions?

Are the RC-50s ideal for what i am looking for?
thanks
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post #3822 of 47687
8/14/08 at 7:58am
I think the 50's will be right up your alley.( I own a pair) Have not heard that cambridge receiver, but by all accounts it is one sweet sounding unit. The Energy's are easy to drive. The RC's are very detailed and not bright. Been listening to quite a bit of Mark Knopfler lately and all the guitar riffs sound very nice, clear and dynamic. I would suggest the RC-10's for surrounds over the minis if you want to go with bookshelves, greater range. ( minis would need to be Xover at 100). Not listened to the C-100 but the LCR is a perfect match for those 50's. Your room is fairly large, but by all means you are not limited to the Energy brand for a sub. Any good sub will mesh well with your setup. If you want to go Energy I would consider at least the S10. Have had all 3 of them and personally like the 12 the best. If you are looking for some good bang for HT consider the S12, but the 10 works great for music. Well there goes your budget.
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post #3823 of 47687
8/14/08 at 9:20am
Energy's web site has totally redone, http://www.energy-speakers.com/, looks like they're trying to lure younger generation
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post #3824 of 47687
8/14/08 at 9:52am
Sure does. And only one Verita tower available to boot.
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post #3825 of 47687
8/14/08 at 10:05am
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Originally Posted by wlee1225 View Post

Energy's web site has totally redone, http://www.energy-speakers.com/, looks like they're trying to lure younger generation

The new site is a lot better than the older one, thats for sure. It's nice that they finally have listed prices and a few pictures of a home environment to show off quality product. However, when I did the "find local store", FS did not show up on the list and they are the closest to me!
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post #3826 of 47687
8/14/08 at 10:24am
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Originally Posted by mustaine View Post

Hi, i have just registered here, i am in need of some advice since i have been trying for many months now to find a pair of loudspeakers with good highs but not too bright mainly for music but also for a bit of HT and I am thinking of buying the RC-50s. I enjoy the sound of crisp, clear electric guitars especially when there are 2 or 3 of them playing simultaneously different leads and riffs along with the bass guitar, keyboards, percussion and vocals, therefore it is very important for me that i get a clear and detailed sound.

I will connect the speakers to a cambridge audio 540R receiver, which i already own. I am aiming in purchasing speakers to use at a moderate sound volume but still provide me with the clarity and detail in music. I will use a 5.1 set up, i am thinking of getting the Energy RC-50 for fronts, Energy RC-minis for surrounds and the Energy RC-LCR or C-100 for the center and maybe the sub S8.3 (although boomy bass is not really my thing) and as i said connect these to my 540R amp. i am mentioning the rc-minis and C-100 instead of the rc-10 and rc-lcr to save on money. The size of my room is 6 x 7 meters (20 x 23 feet). Do u think this is a good set up? any recommendations/suggestions?

Are the RC-50s ideal for what i am looking for?
thanks

What is your music/HT blend? It seems you're more into music...

Will you listen to your music in 2-channel or multichannel (i.e. using 5-channels stereo or pro logic or something)?

Can your receiver allow separate crossovers by channel? Or will you just run the RC-50's large?

If you are going to listen to your music in multichannel, and aren't THAT into HT, I think you may be happier doing as Bob suggests and going with RC-50's in front and RC-10's in back instead of minis. Frankly, if music was my main focus I would go 4.1 to save money as the center isn't that important, and it will sound off if you stick an inferior center channel in there. The vocals will not "timbre match" in the center with your towers.

If you will only listen to music in 2-channel, however, and only use your center/surrounds this opens things up a bit in terms of options. If your receiver allows different crossover points, you could go RC-minis for center/surrounds to save money, cross the minis over at 100 or 120Hz, and let your 50's go down to where you like (either 60 or 80Hz). If it doesn't allow separate crossovers, you could still just run your 50's as LARGE, and then cross over the center/surrounds at 120Hz or whatever, and just use the sub for the LFE channel stuff.

I definitely would think if you are going to pony up for the 50's in front, you don't want to mis-match the center channel as you really want the front soundstage to be matched. I'd rather get an RC-mini center and cross it over at 120Hz to the RC-50's set as LARGE than use a C-C100.

Frankly, I'd rather get the RC-LCR as a center and skimp on surrounds (C-50's even).
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post #3827 of 47687
8/14/08 at 10:34am
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Originally Posted by bjeong1381 View Post

I am definitely upgrading the reciever to the Onkyo but I am torn between just replacing the rears with smaller bookshelfs or just replacing everything with the takeclassic system. Reviews have been great and she will be a lot happier. What do you guys think?

I think I saw your ad on craigslist!

The Takes will sound great, but you should know that this is a totally different type of "sound" when you go mini-sats + sub vs. your current setup of huge, full-range speakers all around. The C-4's + AC-300 is a really kick-ass setup.

(And, honestly, having owned a DA555ES, the Onkyo won't be an "upgrade" in terms of sound quality, it will just give you access to the new HD audio codecs and HDMI switching. Wrong forum for that though...)

Any "sub-sat" system will suffer greatly in the midrange and will never sound as "full" or "smooth" as your current big setup. I've used C-2's, AC-300's, and the older Take 2's, among others, and the Takes will give you that wonderful, neutral, detailed "Energy" sound in the upper mids and highs, but again you will really be stepping down in terms of midrange.

What is your music/HT blend? In my experience, you will notice the difference much more for critical 2-channel music listening than general HT use, unless you are really blasting the system (which it doesn't sound like you are in a small apartment)..

Also, budget is important of course.

If it were ME, I would rather downsize to a nice bookshelf setup rather than going whole-hog all the way down to the micro-sized Takes, but then again I really enjoy listening to music a lot.

If you really want to go small, and if you can afford it, I think an RC-mini setup all around (plus your current XL-S12 sub) will sound much better and give a lot more full midrange than the Takes. The RC-minis are really impressive for their size, very refined, and will do a whole lot better in the 100-200Hz range than the Takes.

If you like hitting up some real 2-channel music, and can convince the lady to let you have larger bookshelves as your fronts, I can highly recommend my current setup of RC-10's as front L/R + RC-minis at the other spots (although I don't have surrounds). This will have good WAF and make the lady happy, and give you a little more fullness with music listening.
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post #3828 of 47687
8/14/08 at 10:55am
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I think I saw your ad on craigslist!

The Takes will sound great, but you should know that this is a totally different type of "sound" when you go mini-sats + sub vs. your current setup of huge, full-range speakers all around. The C-4's + AC-300 is a really kick-ass setup.

(And, honestly, having owned a DA555ES, the Onkyo won't be an "upgrade" in terms of sound quality, it will just give you access to the new HD audio codecs and HDMI switching. Wrong forum for that though...)

Any "sub-sat" system will suffer greatly in the midrange and will never sound as "full" or "smooth" as your current big setup. I've used C-2's, AC-300's, and the older Take 2's, among others, and the Takes will give you that wonderful, neutral, detailed "Energy" sound in the upper mids and highs, but again you will really be stepping down in terms of midrange.

What is your music/HT blend? In my experience, you will notice the difference much more for critical 2-channel music listening than general HT use, unless you are really blasting the system (which it doesn't sound like you are in a small apartment)..

Also, budget is important of course.

If it were ME, I would rather downsize to a nice bookshelf setup rather than going whole-hog all the way down to the micro-sized Takes, but then again I really enjoy listening to music a lot.

If you really want to go small, and if you can afford it, I think an RC-mini setup all around (plus your current XL-S12 sub) will sound much better and give a lot more full midrange than the Takes. The RC-minis are really impressive for their size, very refined, and will do a whole lot better in the 100-200Hz range than the Takes.

If you like hitting up some real 2-channel music, and can convince the lady to let you have larger bookshelves as your fronts, I can highly recommend my current setup of RC-10's as front L/R + RC-minis at the other spots (although I don't have surrounds). This will have good WAF and make the lady happy, and give you a little more fullness with music listening.


Like I said I currently love my setup. I think I might just sell the rear C-4's I am using and go with a smaller rear speaker. It is mainly used for HT and not so much music. I am also thinking of just keeping it all. I do want to upgrade my reciever though as I want access to the new codecs offered by blu ray.
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post #3829 of 47687
8/14/08 at 11:52am
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Originally Posted by wlee1225 View Post

Energy's web site has totally redone, http://www.energy-speakers.com/, looks like they're trying to lure younger generation

No kidding! Talk about re-positioning the brand! The old site was all classy and clean-lines, this one is black background with splashy colors and some chick with really sexy legs apparently driven to make out with her man due to the overwhelming sexuality of that RC-30 and ESW sub. And this whole "PURE ENERGY" motif...

I sort of preferred the aesthetic of the old site, although I think the product layout is a letter better now. I can't seem to find the classic products page though, where are all those old manuals and brochures to download?
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post #3830 of 47687
8/14/08 at 12:23pm
There is a link in the support link for downloads of manuals and brochures. Kinda liked the old site too.....but +1 for the chick.....
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post #3831 of 47687
8/14/08 at 9:34pm
And my girlfriend didn't believe that the RC-30's were gonna make me more attractive to hotter chicks. Now she will have to step up her game.

Thanks Energy!
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post #3832 of 47687
8/14/08 at 11:01pm
LOL!

""Sure, these speakers boast truly accurate treble and midrange response, wide dispersion and incredible stereo imaging. But the real point is when you crank the volume, what you’ll hear is sound perfected.
What you’ll feel is Pure Energy."

The also have a community section with a gallery, blog, and forum. How KOOL!
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post #3833 of 47687
8/15/08 at 6:05am
RC-30 is CAD$500 at Futureshop again, RC-50 for $800 RC-70 is still $2500
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post #3834 of 47687
8/15/08 at 8:57am
I hate the new branding, it went from classy hi-fi sound to these speakers play loud so buy them. Atleast the product is still good, lets hope klipsch doesnt screw up a perfectly good product line.
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post #3835 of 47687
8/15/08 at 9:26am
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lets hope klipsch doesnt screw up a perfectly good product line

Just give em a little more time....
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post #3836 of 47687
8/15/08 at 9:57am
I am building a system at home and I have already got the 30's. I am wondering how much of a difference in sound are the 50's compared to the 30s. I have read others say that the difference between the 50s and 70s is minimal which is why I am asking.
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post #3837 of 47687
8/15/08 at 10:19am
50-70's yep..minimal. not heard the 30's but love my 50's. Significant step up from the 10's, had those and loved them as well.
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post #3838 of 47687
8/15/08 at 10:58am
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Originally Posted by noved View Post

I am building a system at home and I have already got the 30's. I am wondering how much of a difference in sound are the 50's compared to the 30s. I have read others say that the difference between the 50s and 70s is minimal which is why I am asking.

My 2 cents , the 30's and 50's are closer than either would be to the 70's. The 70's are distinctively different because of their 3 way design. The only real difference, IMO that the 50's will have over the 30's, will be bass extension.
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post #3839 of 47687
8/15/08 at 11:15am
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Originally Posted by wlee1225 View Post

RC-30 is CAD$500 at Futureshop again, RC-50 for $800 RC-70 is still $2500

This is tempting. I currently have C-3 bookshelves w/sub which sound amazing. I am wonder if it is a big enough upgrade going to the RC-30s/50s to justify the cash.
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post #3840 of 47687
8/15/08 at 11:33am
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Energy's web site has totally redone, http://www.energy-speakers.com/, looks like they're trying to lure younger generation

Yikes! that's a drastic change from the classier old web site. It looks like Klipsch is taking Energy to a different direction, with descriptions such as "rocks big", "blast", and "chest thumping"... I wonder if their awesome Veritas line will be discontinued.
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