Energy Owners Thread - Page 1289

Yes I do have shelves but one on rt. will have to be rebuilt to fit the height of rc-10.

Dan__ is spot on with his answer: dual subs helps in evening out room modes and provide more output but at the same frequencies. It won't change the fact that they're unable to provide significantly more power in the sub-30 Hz region than the RC-70s.

However, there is a way to have a marginally better low-end response with two subs. Since the jointly produce more output than a single sub at any given frequency, you can use the extra headroom and a sub EQ solution to boost the low-end and reduce mid-bass. However this 1) requires more gear for sub EQing, and 2) will not be an efficient use of your money. I'd still advise you to put that 150$ you'd spend on another C10 in your "new subwoofer fund" and wait until you have 500-700$ to spend.

(In fact, SVS has an online tool -- they call it "Merlin" --- to match speakers with their subs and they pair the RC-70s with their "Plus" series subs, which are absolute beasts. However they don't ask anything about room size, so I take it with a grain of salt as I'm quite satisfied with my NSD so far).

Another note: your subwoofer is not completely useless when used with the RC-70s, even though they cover the same frequency range. It has its own amp, so it brings a few dozens of watts to the party to a woofer designed for large excursions at low frequencies. To provide a flat response, an amp must deliver power to a rate proportionnal to 1/f^2. Thus, producing loud output at low frequency uses much more power than the same output at high frequencies. Using a sub relieves your main amp in that respect. Also, your main's woofers will not move that much if a sub does the job. This limits Doppler distorsion, which may be important when a driver tries to play higher notes while at the same time playing lower frequencies with large displacements. So unless you prefer the sound of your RC-70s alone, it's not a bad thing to use your sub even if it does not extend the response much lower thant the 70s.


What do you mean, "many people still have shelves in a room"? We're not supposed to? I do have one of my RC-10s surrounds on a shelf. I had to adjust the position of the one above it because the RC-10 is indeed quite tall. It's not pointing down however. I think it would be somewhat ugly in the bookshelf... So I prefer to put it closer to ear level. But I also have rears so when the two operate together that gives a quite diffuse surround sound field.


Of course. But there are diminishing returns... I for one am doubtful of very high sampling rates and resolutions for the end-product (makes sense in the studio when you apply multiple layers of processing to the stream though). I really think CD quality is pretty much the highest you can hear. That being said, I'd love to have CD-quality multi-channel music.

I think many people who are not satisfied by CD quality actually are frustrated at decisions made during recording and mastering. The current crop of releases is very often horrendous in terms of use of the dynamic range. See Loudness War and the very, very interesting Dynamic Range Database to see which recordings are the worst offenders in that regard.

I know very well what you mean. I just barely escaped cuts at my job and I'm still wondering if I should have had volunteered.

I just hope you'll be able to find something even better really fast. Good luck man.

In my case no one was targeted specifically so about half the people at my job will have to submit resumes and re-apply for their jobs. While this is extremely fair I guess, it's quite hard on morale.


Are you tempted to start something yourself?


Yeah, back to the topic of this thread...

Many people here would vouch for the 10.3, especially for music. Speaking of which, what about the S12.3? It hasn't been mentioned much in this thread. The specs are close to many 12" ID subs, but I'm not sure if it can be obtained for interesting prices, either new or used.

Hear you guys. I am "on notice" to find a new job or will be laid off. BTW never "volunteer" . I sort of did from the same company 4 years ago. 2 years later I was back at a lower position and pay and nobody knows my full potenial. Now I am on the outs because nobody knows me and don't have seniority.

I agree completely with this. I have a good number of well recorded CD's, no complaints here. I've also resuscitated my old vinyl collection to see how it sounds after 20+ years.

Like you mentioned, it's more the multi channel aspect that I'm looking for, especially if the original masters were recorded using more channels than stereo. I have the 'Love' DVD-A from the Beatles that is a great example of the DVD-A format.

The place where very good music is coming from is concert blurays. I just got Adele's latest and Return to Forever's Montreux performance, and they are great. If we could have some true 7.1 releases that would be excellent. I've always felt that concert releases are a compromise though and the real music comes from the studio, which is why I ranted about the lack of multi channel studio releases. Ultra high sampling rates to provide every possible nuance at high intervals may not be necessary, so it's not a deal breaker for me at all.

Like you mention, though - the mixing now is being done for the MP3 / iTunes range, so the full range possible is not being exploited by some producers and mixers who really should know better. It may even be that the quality of the recordings is less than it was ten or twenty years ago because of that influence.

Thanks for the links, hadn't seen that.

Aw man, I'm sorry. Hopefully you find something really quick.

Long time lurker and I guess I am officially part of the group now as I took the plunge and bought 2 RC-70's with an RC-LCR center. I am really blown away at how big these speakers are to be honest. Coming from crappy HTIB satellite speakers I knew they would be big but the depth of them is pretty big.

Anyways I have one quick question about placement. My room is 15x12 that is upstairs and is carpeted. It has a couch against one wall with the TV in front of it. The ceiling peaks in the middle and slanted slightly on the sides. I have the 70's currently to either side of the TV that is wall mounted about a foot from the side of the TV, is it possible to move them over in to the corners of the room in the front which is roughly about 2-3 feet more to the left and right and angle them or is it best to keep them right near the TV. Just looking at different combinations on set up in the room and to get others opinions on distance.

Anyways I struggled for about a year on what speakers to go with my Denon 2112 and was really considering with going with something a lot cheaper, in walls, Polk Monitors, etc. But I came to the realization that I did not want to get something cheaper only to want something more in 6 months to a year. So far I am happy with my purchase and listening to all of my favorite music and movies over again. Anyways thanks and look forward to spending more time than I was in here.

the S12.3 *was* talked about plenty in this thread, back when it was available. The thing is, as with the RC stock, the stuff that gets talked about is the stuff that's available now for sale. Somehow Newegg has a plentiful supply of S10.3, so that's what we hear about.

anyway, the S12.3 is a pretty beefy sub. It can't compete with the big ID subs below 25Hz, but it is capable of absolutely monstrous raw output in the "fat zone" of movie bass from 25-80Hz.

In this old "Seismic Subs" shoot-out at S&V back from 2004, the S12.3 was the output king. It was pretty much dead even with the Outlaw LFM-1. And, although it was down almost 20dB from max output at 20Hz, the only sub that beat it at 20Hz was the PSB Subsonic 6i.

At $800 msrp of course it can be beat handily by contemporary 12" ID offerings, but I would wager that it's competitive with anything in the $400-500 range (what it sacrifices in below-25Hz is probably makes up in output).

Glad you're "part of the group" now I love it when people benefit from our comparing speakers, discussing pros/cons of speakers, etc. Because I used this thread when I was considering different speakers to buy at first too.

As far as speaker placement, you'll be able to tell the best sound you can achieve by testing the different placements personally. For me I've found my sound is best when I have my RC-50s 2 1/2 feet to either side of the TV a foot and a half away from the wall and ever-so-slightly angled in.

Hi,

I've had my Energy c-r100 speakers and I like them but I'll be travelling to the U.S. soon and I was thinking of getting a pair of Veritas VS Surrounds to replace the c-r100s.

I only paid $60 for the c-r100 to use as a temporary solution until I finalized my decision.

Any opinions as to whether VS Surrounds are a good choice? Another speaker perhaps?

My question today is about surround speakers and whats best. I have read in here that some say the tweeter should be at ear level and some say a certain amount above ear level. Any suggestions on this would be great.

Also the type of speaker that is best suited for this combo RC-70 front RC lcr would it be another tower, bookshelf or what someone suggested using RC lcr for surronds. I never really thought about a bookshelf speaker since they are so small but I could be wrong about that as well. RC-70 to arrive on Tuesday,

The new V-S surrounds will blow away those old C-R100s... much, much better speaker

I think part of it depends on how close/far the surround speakers will be to you and what type of speaker it will be. I have the CR-10 as surrounds and it aims slightly down as well as it's on the wall that my couch is backed up to so I place mine about 2 feet above my listening area and it's great!

You also have to take into consideration do you want more bass/fullness like a tower behind you too? Or would you prefer a more "invisible" speaker (one that you can hear but can't say, "Oh that sound is coming from right there" while pointing to the speaker.) like a bipole or dipole speaker?

If I go with towers they will be around 6 feet away from each seating position.

Thanks. Even though I never really posted I was in here daily, as well as other speaker brands, reading everyone's opinions on speakers and what they liked and didn't and it really helped me out a lot.

I will try moving them around and see what I can come up with. I figured it was a matter of trial and error and depending on the room size. Anyways thanks again.

That's very interesting. One of the lurkers here (not sure why he hasn't come forward yet) needs a sub and has an opportunity -- a used S12.3 for $425. I guess from your impression, the price would be right. On paper it seems solid but I really don't know that sub and I can't tell if the best course of action would be to grab it or spend slightly more for a "entry level" 12" ID sub. At least it seems that it would certainly not be the worse way possible to spend that money.

I checked those out on Vann's I will snag some up in the next week or two, I just started another job so I got to wait till the money is rolling in again. But thank you for the suggestion. I was looking at some lower ones from Sanus, the 30's I think it was, and there were some bad reviews about them.

My sony loads up pretty quick, its a nice 3D capable one. I was more interested in higher quality picture/sound. I have my router right by the tv, so wifi isn't needed, my Sony is hard wired. I did notice the hum, but only when there is little to no draw on it. When the tv and receiver is on it goes away.

I am surprised nobody has posted this, but on the deal of the day at Vann's the Veritas V6.2 (rosenut) towers are on sale for $349.88. Just thought I would let you guys know.

Pulled the trigger on 2 VS-Surrounds. Had a friend in the US call and try and talk them down since they were recently $150 ea. Got them for $190 a piece. He is going to ship them to me. I will probably move 2 of the Take LCR's to the bathroom and sit them on those nice little glass bases that come with them.

wow, had no idea these sub's were still even available, let alone for $239.00? I may just get one.

I'm using an original S8.3 for my living room system (Denon AVR-2112CI, Oppo BDP-93, RC-30's, RC-LCR, RC-R's), I paid retail for it back in like 2004 ($350.00 from "Good Guy's"). It really cranks for an 8 inch.

Cracks me up to hear all the stories about failing "blue LED's" (on Amazon.com reviews), that's rediculous. I believe this has been happening even back when they were first introduced. Although the blue LED has functioned just fine on my S8.3 (knock-on-wood), auto-power-ON function operates fine as well. I kind of like the blue LED for some reason

I'm thinking swapping out the S8.3 from the living room to my bedroom 2ch system (NAD C162 stereo pre-amp/C272 amp, wall-mounted Veritas V-Mini's), and use the S10.3 in the living room? hmmmm

Just so you know the s10.3 has been on sale constantly as of late for $200 at Newegg (probably mostly weekend sales as that seems to be the case with all their sale prices on things that I have paid attention to the last couple of years).

RC-70'S and RCLCR just arrived, unpacking now. Yiphee

well one damaged top of the 70's. Looks like it was shipped that way since it was double boxed and the outside box has no damage but the actual speaker box has a hole in it right on the top and thats were the damage is to the top of the speaker.

Dam if I wanted damaged goods I would of bought the 2 RC-70's that were in Vanns clearance section for 310 a piece.

Sucks, it's a big let-down when your stuff arrives busted-up. Call Vann's immediately and they will go out of their way to make it right--I had an amazing experience with them just the other day, when one of my 70s arrived damaged.

Yep one of mine was damaged when it arrived. Vanns was really good about it and all I had to do was put it back in the box. They had the UPS guy come pick it up from my house so it was pretty painless.

Just called a new one is on the way. Here is something else. Neither of the 70's came with the spikes or the rubber feet. Vanns checked to see what warehouse they shipped from thinking that they sent me damage/clearance but that was not the case, they came from a warehouse that ships new inventory so these would of came from Energy like this. Did you guys get all your feet with your 70's??

Checked the serial numbers on these 2 70's one got xxxxx390 and the other one was
xxxxx393. He said he would make sure since I was keeping the even number speaker that I would get an odd number. And hopefuly close to that same number to make sure it came from the same batch.

Which warehouse location did they come from? Salt Lake City by chance?

These came from Mizzoula Montana not the clearence warehouse in Salt Lake City, I double checked with UPS tracking. There going to send out both sets of feet as well for each speaker