Energy Owners Thread - Page 1293

Originally Posted by scotsomuni

I'm going to be wiring my Energy speakers inwall next week. Do I need special wire (fire resistant?) for that or can I use this: http://www.amazon.com/Audiovox-AH141...pr_product_top

I needed to pull permits for my family room renovation, so there will be a building and electrical inspector coming. Not sure if they will be looking at that or not.

also - does anyone have any wall-plate products they can recommend for connecting the wires from my AVR to wall, then to the wall-mounted TV?

Originally Posted by scotsomuni

@kgallerie Thanks - I think I will go with that from Monoprice. I might get the 12 AWG instead for a few extra bucks.

I'm also looking for a 7.2 wall-plate that also has HDMI connections...any recommendations? I will be adding V-Minis as front height speakers, and the wall-plates I see online don't have front-height ports.

Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous

Just got the Dire Straits album Brothers In Arms 20th Anniversary Edition SACD using DSD and it is hard to stop listening to it. I am really glad that I got it. I actually got two copies so I could compare some different SACD players. This album is going to stay in the player for quite a while. I already have it on vinyl, but the multi channel is really enjoyable on a Denon. Highly recommended.

Originally Posted by caper_1

wish I had a SACD player. I always recommend that album as 'reference' listening material. Hank, can I talk to you about vinyl? I also have that on vinyl, but my stylus keep sliding across records, so I think i need a new one. I want to start playing records now that I have a new audio rack upstairs.

Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous

Does this mean that you have heard the 22 Reference Connoisseurs? For $350 or under I would imagine they would be very hard to beat for value.

Originally Posted by Pat Sexton

Planning on using RC 70's for l/c/r with 2 subs behind an AT screen and wall. The V 6.2 are cheaper on vans and the smaller verticle footprint would be less likely to be blocked by the screen frame.

Content will be 95% movies and hd tv. Is there a significant sound difference between the RC 70 and the V 6.2? What are the strengths of each speaker?

Originally Posted by WestCoastD

No I have'nt heard the 22 Reference Connoisseur's myself, and, yes, they would be a good value at $350.00USD providing the pair in question are in good condition considering their age at this point in time. However I would'nt recommend blending a pair of 22 Reference Connoisseurs in a system using more recent RC-Series speakers (which is what I gathered from the OP's original posting?). I think he would be better-off using current matching product line- ie. RC-R, V-S, Rc-10, RC-30, RC-50, etc.,...

From what I've read the 22 Reference Connoisseurs were some of the best sounding speakers at the time when they were first released. The Pro-22's, their studio monitor sibling's, were supposedly slightly better. Part of the reason was due to the Energy Dual Hyperdome tweeter, one of the best dome tweeters ever designed. These tweeters yielded freq. response of 1,500 - 45,000 Hz. +/- 3 db and 1,500 - 20,000 Hz +/- 1.5 db @30 degrees off- axis. Unbelieveable transparency. The Dual Hyperdome tweeter's were installed as a matched pair in mirror imaged cabinets. And each pair came with angled stands to time align the drivers. It would definitely be worth having a complete re-built pair (tweeters and woofers) for use in a dedicated stereo system using good electronics.

This technology reflected some of the early developments led by Energy (API) developer John Tchilinguirian. John Tchilinguirian played an important role in many of Energy's designs. He later followed with Take, Veritas, and RC-Series. At the point of release of the RC-Series line John left API when it was sold to Klipsch Group Inc..

Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous

I agree that the best match for baron2 is to get more of the current RC speakers to use for surrounds.
I would be willing to bet large amounts that the 22 Reference Connoisseurs would match the current RCs much better than the current Cs do though. They would be a little low, but they are angled up to help with that.

The 22 Reference Connoisseurs are the top of the line by far, for that era. I have the 22 Pros with the original functioning tweeters and they are very good. The 22 Pros weigh about 35 pounds a piece, while the 22 Reference Connoisseurs weigh in at over 80 pounds a piece

Originally Posted by WestCoastD

yeah the 22 Reference Connoisseurs were the Energy flagship models back then. They were released in like 1982. Had a frequency response of 25Hz to 45Khz (incredible for the time). Used a 1 inch tweeter and 7 inch woofer. I believe the famous Dual Hyperdome tweeter's were "soft-dome" style, this design yielded unique properties. The latter product lines (ie. Veritas, RC-Series, etc.,...) involved aluminum dome designs.

Did you get your 22 Pro's brand new? I believe the weight differences between the two models were mostly related to cabinet dimensions. I'm sure they had hefty magnets as well.

Yeah, the original C-Series, or "Connoisseur" series, (I believe released in late 90's/early 2000's) performed extremely well too for aluminum dome tweeters. I originally owned a pair of C-3's which I loved (and became very highly sought after). These models used a type of "poly" woofer material (homopolymer woofer), an updated, but similiar, material used on the 22 Reference Connoisseur woofer material.
http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/energy_c3.htm

Later the release of the Reference Connoisseur, or "RC-Series", saw the use of kevlar woofer cone material combined with aluminum dome tweeters. I felt these speakers invoked the best sound characteristics following the original C-Series.

However the 1rst/2nd generation Veritas product line were extremely well designed flagship models as well.

Originally Posted by caper_1

wish I had a SACD player. I always recommend that album as 'reference' listening material. Hank, can I talk to you about vinyl? I also have that on vinyl, but my stylus keep sliding across records, so I think i need a new one. I want to start playing records now that I have a new audio rack upstairs.

Originally Posted by scotsomuni

@kgallerie Thanks - I think I will go with that from Monoprice. I might get the 12 AWG instead for a few extra bucks.

I'm also looking for a 7.2 wall-plate that also has HDMI connections...any recommendations? I will be adding V-Minis as front height speakers, and the wall-plates I see online don't have front-height ports.

Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous

I agree that the best match for baron2 is to get more of the current RC speakers to use for surrounds.
I would be willing to bet large amounts that the 22 Reference Connoisseurs would match the current RCs much better than the current Cs do though. They would be a little low, but they are angled up to help with that.

The 22 Reference Connoisseurs are the top of the line by far, for that era. I have the 22 Pros with the original functioning tweeters and they are very good. The 22 Pros weigh about 35 pounds a piece, while the 22 Reference Connoisseurs weigh in at over 80 pounds a piece.

Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous

I got my SACD players used for pretty cheap. The Denon 2910 is my best player, but it is by no means anywhere near the best that is available.

I am no expert, but I have messed around with many old players and have got them to work. What player do you have? Are you getting any sound out of your table? I would first try turning the arm weight at the back of the arm in or clockwise. It sounds like there might be to much counterweight and it needs to be adjusted. Next, I would look at any anti skating controls that you might have.
I can't believe that the guy that I loaned my QSC 1700 amp to blew it up. Those amps are indestructible for 99% of the population. I don't know what he is doing to his amps, but he has killed three robust models in a short time, I think it's his speakers. Anyways, that was the amp I wanted to use for a sub.

Originally Posted by DAC21

You need to rotate the counter weight until the tone arm free floats about 2 inches above the turntable platter (this means that the tone arm/cartridge doesnt fall onto the platter or fly straight up - it should be floating almost level)

At that point rotate the black numeric ring, which is in front of the chrome counter balance ring to zero at the 12 o' clock position. Do this without rotating the chrome counter balance weight (it should still be free floating at this point)

I have no idea what quality your turntable is but it should track at 1.5 -2 grams. Start by rotating the counter balance weight to 2 grams (not the black numeric ring, the whole chrome counter weight). At this point the tone arm should drop back into the tone arm holder.

Set the anti-skate adjustment to the same value = 2

And here is a Youtube video showing the same, except for the anti-skate adjustment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G35Hluc2ZkM

Originally Posted by knight_40k

+1

RC-R's are incredible speakers. I have them set to Di-pole and it really feels like you are part of the action.

Originally Posted by baron2

Question for you guys. On speakers I was told to make sure if you have 2 of the same speakers to make sure the last digit of each speaker is different like one ends in an even number and the other speaker of the same ends in an odd number.

Also the closer those consequtive numbers are on the pair of speakers the better

Originally Posted by WestCoastD

yes, you're exactly right! I love these speakers, great design. They perform very well and look great on the wall.

Originally Posted by baron2

Any help on this would be great

Originally Posted by Karn

I'm really not sure where this came from so I can't comment on how accurate it is but I wouldn't stress too much about it. The part about making sure you have an odd number and an even number means that there is an assumption of some kind of left and right speaker. Some companies do have speakers that are designed to be used on the left and right but energy are not designed that way as each speaker is designed to meet the same specs. So maybe this is just a bigger deal for tower speakers that have woofers on a specific side or tweeters angled in to the listening position while the rest of the speaker fires straight into the room. Again energy RC's or the new veritas don't do either of these.

As to having speakers with similar serial numbers that sounds like it's to make sure the speakers are from the same manufacturing batch which I could see some value in expecially if one speaker is from say 5 years ago and the other one was made yesterday as the parts may have changed over time. With the fact that these energys have been almost sold out and discontinued I'd say it's safe to assume all of these are coming from the same batch and were probably all manufactured recently with the same parts. So I personally wouldn't worry too much about this one either but this all comes down to personal preferance really.

Originally Posted by baron2

Thanks Karn for that info. I had a damaged rc-70 they sent back a replacement. The one I kept was an even number, damaged one was an odd number and they were only 3 numbers apart. The new one they sent me ended in an even number again so I was worried about that. By the way this new one is only 6 numbers apart from the original one I kept.

Originally Posted by Karn

I'm really impressed as well, I have a pretty tough large and open to the kitchen/dining room and these work great and fill up the room with diffuse sound. I have mine set to Bipole because I'm forward of the speakers and it's what their chart recommends and they've done an amazing job back there. Pretty much everything I'd want in a surround.

Originally Posted by cel4145

As as I recently posted, thanks to rscecil007's recommendation, I got the VS Surrounds to go with my RC's. They really helped since one side of my living room has a large opening to the dining room and another to the foyer. Seems like the RC-Rs/VS Surrounds might should be a standard recommendation for this type of room situation. It definitely was worth the money over going with a pair of RC-10s.

Originally Posted by baron2

Any help on this would be great

Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous

As Karn mentioned, you have no reason to pair your RC-70s with consecutive or odd to even serial numbers in regards to sonic performance.
Energy do have speakers that are designed to specifically be on the right OR left (like the 22 series), but current Energy speakers don't have this concern.

Users can use the newer towers for a centre channel with fantastic results, left and right placement isn't important at all.