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post #38911 of 47682
4/20/12 at 5:03pm
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Originally Posted by tang7969 View Post

Its on the bottom left of the directional pad on the remote. Its not stupid we all had to learn. I still am trying to learn.

I get it you mean the set up button that has a house picture on it correct?
Dam I was looking for something that said house on the button, even got my old magnifing glass out to look at the buttons better. It sucks getting older, 50 is a bitch. LOL
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post #38912 of 47682
4/20/12 at 5:06pm
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Originally Posted by tang7969 View Post

Hit the icon of the house on your remote. Then go to system setup,manual sp setup,speaker setting and then you will see x.over change that to 80.

Hey Tang7969 why do you want this set at 80 when the 70's can do 31hz?
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post #38913 of 47682
4/20/12 at 5:07pm
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

I get it you mean the set up button that has a house picture on it correct?
Dam I was looking for something that said house on the button, even got my old magnifing glass out to look at the buttons better. It sucks getting older, 50 is a bitch. LOL

Not for nothing, but it just may be time to get out the receiver manual and sit down for a good read!
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post #38914 of 47682
4/20/12 at 5:14pm
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Hey Tang7969 why do you want this set at 80 when the 70's can do 31hz?

I wouldn't bother running 70s that low on avr power. Also while the 70 can play low , its very likely the subwoofer would do better in those low freqs. Try choosing between xo points to see what you prefer
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post #38915 of 47682
4/20/12 at 5:16pm
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

Hey Tang7969 why do you want this set at 80 when the 70's can do 31hz?

He's telling you that so you can can get your sub to actually work for you! Put all your speaker crossovers at 80Hz and start there for now.... Just because a speaker is "rated" down to 31Hz doesn't mean you need to run it that way. If you have a sub, it is designed to handle those difficult and power consuming lower frequencies, freeing up your speakers to handle the frequencies they can easier handle... not to mention taking a big load off of your receiver.
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post #38916 of 47682
4/20/12 at 5:33pm
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Originally Posted by deano86 View Post

He's telling you that so you can can get your sub to actually work for you! Put all your speaker crossovers at 80Hz and start there for now.... Just because a speaker is "rated" down to 31Hz doesn't mean you need to run it that way. If you have a sub, it is designed to handle those difficult and power consuming lower frequencies, freeing up your speakers to handle the frequencies they can easier handle... not to mention taking a big load off of your receiver.

Ok Im getting it now. Even though I bought cf-70s cc-10 and escw-10 last summer I just used it for movies and my music I used my old pioneer sx-1080and a pair of HPM 100's for music. Will move the cf series and other speakers to main living room set up. Then set that up correctly.

Do have another question when setting this up as advised by you guys will the sound be better? I keep thinking it will be more evenly displaced.
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post #38917 of 47682
4/21/12 at 6:54am
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

Ok Im getting it now. Even though I bought cf-70s cc-10 and escw-10 last summer I just used it for movies and my music I used my old pioneer sx-1080and a pair of HPM 100's for music. Will move the cf series and other speakers to main living room set up. Then set that up correctly.

Do have another question when setting this up as advised by you guys will the sound be better? I keep thinking it will be more evenly displaced.

It will sound better, since you are going to have support at the lower frequencies as well as the RC-70's almost all around

Make sure you run MCACC, but as mentioned, you do need more subwoofer power involved.
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post #38918 of 47682
4/21/12 at 8:34am
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

Hey Tang7969 why do you want this set at 80 when the 70's can do 31hz?

To me the improvement in the RC 70 is more in the midrange than the low end anyway. The 70's do 30hz easily but the 30's aren't very far from that either in my room. So while the 70's do play lower it isn't the reason I like them more than the 30's.The tweeters are exactly the same between all of the towers so the primary benifit of the 70's is the midrange which is still being used when you cross it over at 80. Let your sub do what it's best at and that also frees up more power for your AVR to put to the 70's in the frequency range it's best at. I personally have mine set at 60 because I have a bass null from my sub at 80 but I want my sub to handle the low end as much as possible. As good as the 70 is down low your sub was designed specifically for that.
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post #38919 of 47682
4/22/12 at 10:13am
Hello everyone ,

I have been setting up my HT for the last few years. I am now to the point where I want to buy rear speakers. I am thinking of bipole/dipole.

I have 2X RC-70s in the front
One RC-LCR for center
Denon AVR-591 receiver.

I originally wanted the RC-Rs but I can't find them anywhere.
I also was looking at the Veritas VSB. Problem is that I am in Canada i.e. they sell them 3 times the price at FS compared to Vanns, that's a bit of a ripp off to me.

I'd like to have good speakers for a 3-500$ budget. Any suggestions ?

Thanks

Yan
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post #38920 of 47682
4/22/12 at 10:36am
Your surrounds don't have to be the same brand as your front three. It would be nice if they could though.

If you're just looking for bipole speakers maybe check a couple of these brands out. I've never heard any of them, just did a quick search.

http://www.amazon.ca/Streem-SR-490-B...115612&sr=8-18

http://www.amazon.ca/Fluance-AVBP2-S...115699&sr=8-28

Or get CR-10s which are at least Energy speakers and are bipole/dipole switchable. $340/pr isn't bad.
http://www.amazon.ca/Connoisseur-Ser...115867&sr=8-51

If you're close to the border then have the Veritas surrounds shipped there and then drive across and pick them up. There are several border cities in the US which will let you ship to them.
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it..._c=site_search
https://www.kinek.com/kpointC/Landin...on?page=border
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post #38921 of 47682
4/22/12 at 10:40am
After 15yrs I'm finally able to upgrade my system. I have the take 5 classics paired with a sony saw-m40 sub. My room is 13' x 25' with 10' ceiling and my couch is 8' from my tv. My budget is $1500.
I want a noticeble improvement to the sound quality.
I'm considering a Energy RCLCR center and either 4 RC-10s or maybe 2 RC-70s and just keep using the take 5's as surrounds? With a Bic America F12 sub?

Any help and suggestions is greatly appreciated.
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post #38922 of 47682
4/22/12 at 11:23am
Thank you very much Afrogt. Have you ever used that Kinek service ?
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post #38923 of 47682
4/22/12 at 11:31am
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Originally Posted by N3okiller View Post

Thank you very much Afrogt. Have you ever used that Kinek service ?

I have with no issues. What part of the country are you from?
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post #38924 of 47682
4/22/12 at 11:32am
I am in Ottawa. How does it work when you cross the border ?
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post #38925 of 47682
4/22/12 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by N3okiller View Post

I am in Ottawa. How does it work when you cross the border ?

I ordered a few speakers from Vanns . I believe I paid 8 bucks at the Kinek point and then just paid the provincial sales tax at the border.
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post #38926 of 47682
4/22/12 at 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by N3okiller View Post

Thank you very much Afrogt. Have you ever used that Kinek service ?

nope, I'm American and live in California. No need. I just remember that others had used it and wanted to point it out.
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post #38927 of 47682
4/22/12 at 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by N3okiller View Post

I am in Ottawa. How does it work when you cross the border ?

We're a handful here having done business with Vann's via a Kinek point delivery. Everybody were satisfied. What you need to know:

- Vann's won't accept canadian credit cards. Thus it's way easier to go through Amazon.com.

- Chose a Kinek point as close to your home as possible (of course) but keep in mind that each point has its own fees and opening hours -- some aren't even open during the weekend, so it's important to plan your trip accordingly. Typically they charge 5-10$ per package depending on weight.

- The worst outcome would be a damaged package. You should then inspect the content at the Kinek point and if the speakers are damaged, arrange for a return with Vann's and the Kinek point. It's never happened to anybody in this thread to my knowledge but with Veritas V-S this would be highly improbable (compared to, say, with RC-70s).

- Finally when you come back to Canada you simply declare what you bought, and then you're redirected to the payment point where you'll pay the taxes in the province you're going (thus HST in Ontario). For Energy speakers nobody was charged the 6% duty that should be charged for imports of good manufactured outside North America.
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post #38928 of 47682
4/22/12 at 12:51pm
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Originally Posted by Jeremy Wadian View Post

After 15yrs I'm finally able to upgrade my system. I have the take 5 classics paired with a sony saw-m40 sub. My room is 13' x 25' with 10' ceiling and my couch is 8' from my tv. My budget is $1500.
I want a noticeble improvement to the sound quality.
I'm considering a Energy RCLCR center and either 4 RC-10s or maybe 2 RC-70s and just keep using the take 5's as surrounds? With a Bic America F12 sub?

Any help and suggestions is greatly appreciated.

I think my vote would be for
a pair of RC-70s, $900 on sale?
A 12" ID sub, such as HSU VTF-2 Mk4, about $600 shipped, (also see Epic and Rhythmic)

Keep the takes for now, and eventually get some other rears.

Dang, we need room in the budget for the center. And that's kinda the heart of a HT setup, along with the sub.

The F12 has had some nice reviews but doesn't seem to compare with the $500-600 ID subs musically speaking. Not bad, just not as good. Would be a good choice if looking for good, but short of excellent on the music side.

Note that my info is based on reading reviews, I don't have personal experience with the RC-10s, or F12, but I DO like the RC-70s a lot. I'm interested in other responses, too.
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post #38929 of 47682
4/22/12 at 1:22pm
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Originally Posted by Dan__ View Post

I think my vote would be for
a pair of RC-70s, $900 on sale?
A 12" ID sub, such as HSU VTF-2 Mk4, about $600 shipped, (also see Epic and Rhythmic)

But you could wait on the RC-70s. Start with a pair of RC-10s, an RC-LCR, and the HSU VTF-2 MK4. Then save for the RC-70s and move the RC-10s to surround duty once you get them. I think this is the way to maximize improvement with your budget at the start.
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post #38930 of 47682
4/22/12 at 1:48pm
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

We're a handful here having done business with Vann's via a Kinek point delivery. Everybody were satisfied. What you need to know:

- Vann's won't accept canadian credit cards. Thus it's way easier to go through Amazon.com.

- Chose a Kinek point as close to your home as possible (of course) but keep in mind that each point has its own fees and opening hours -- some aren't even open during the weekend, so it's important to plan your trip accordingly. Typically they charge 5-10$ per package depending on weight.

- The worst outcome would be a damaged package. You should then inspect the content at the Kinek point and if the speakers are damaged, arrange for a return with Vann's and the Kinek point. It's never happened to anybody in this thread to my knowledge but with Veritas V-S this would be highly improbable (compared to, say, with RC-70s).

- Finally when you come back to Canada you simply declare what you bought, and then you're redirected to the payment point where you'll pay the taxes in the province you're going (thus HST in Ontario). For Energy speakers nobody was charged the 6% duty that should be charged for imports of good manufactured outside North America.

Hmm the canadian credit card is a problem as I was looking at the Veritas VSB at Vanns for 199$ instead of 599$ here in Canada. They do have them at amazon but through Vanns are they going to take the Canadian credit card ?
http://www.amazon.com/Energy-SURROUN...5127822&sr=8-6

Other then that thank you very much for all your inputs this is very useful. It's way cheapier...
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post #38931 of 47682
4/22/12 at 2:48pm
I have a question about the warranty on Energy speakers. I am planning on buying a pair of RC10's. At Vanns, I can get them for $300 shipped. On ebay, I can pick them up for $250 shipped.

Will the Energy warranty be void if I pick them up on Ebay? $300 is still a good value I believe for the RC10's, but $250 sounds even better.
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post #38932 of 47682
4/22/12 at 2:55pm
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I have a question about the warranty on Energy speakers. I am planning on buying a pair of RC10's. At Vanns, I can get them for $300 shipped. On ebay, I can pick them up for $250 shipped.

Will the Energy warranty be void if I pick them up on Ebay? $300 is still a good value I believe for the RC10's, but $250 sounds even better.

There will be no warranty if you get them off of Ebay. Call Vanns and tell them you saw the 10's on sale a few weeks ago for $249. They didn't honor that price for me but they did lower the price Vanns is a great company and very easy to do business with. I received my 10's in about 3 days and I'm in NY.
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post #38933 of 47682
4/22/12 at 2:55pm
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Originally Posted by brianr34 View Post

I have a question about the warranty on Energy speakers. I am planning on buying a pair of RC10's. At Vanns, I can get them for $300 shipped. On ebay, I can pick them up for $250 shipped.

Will the Energy warranty be void if I pick them up on Ebay? $300 is still a good value I believe for the RC10's, but $250 sounds even better.

Warranties are non-transferable so if you're buying them from a private seller, no, there will not be a warranty. Stores like Vanns have eBay and Amazon stores that still offer the warranty. Check to see which store is selling it.
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post #38934 of 47682
4/22/12 at 3:02pm
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Hmm the canadian credit card is a problem as I was looking at the Veritas VSB at Vanns for 199$ instead of 599$ here in Canada. They do have them at amazon but through Vanns are they going to take the Canadian credit card ?
http://www.amazon.com/Energy-SURROUN...5127822&sr=8-6

Other then that thank you very much for all your inputs this is very useful. It's way cheapier...

Yes they will. I had to order my speakers through amazon in order to use my Canadian credit card. Again, no problems at all.
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post #38935 of 47682
4/22/12 at 4:06pm
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Originally Posted by N3okiller View Post


Hmm the canadian credit card is a problem as I was looking at the Veritas VSB at Vanns for 199$ instead of 599$ here in Canada. They do have them at amazon but through Vanns are they going to take the Canadian credit card ?
http://www.amazon.com/Energy-SURROUN...5127822&sr=8-6

Other then that thank you very much for all your inputs this is very useful. It's way cheapier...

You can just order through Amazon.com, or I guess you could also order through Vann's and pay using Amazon Payments. Amazon.com accepts canadian cards and let you register multiple delivery adresses if you want.

And yes you likely won't find anything cheaper. Note that the price is for a single V-S though.
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post #38936 of 47682
4/22/12 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by sharp10 View Post

Yes they will. I had to order my speakers through amazon in order to use my Canadian credit card. Again, no problems at all.

Did Vanns ship the speakers to Canada or only to a U.S. address?
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post #38937 of 47682
4/22/12 at 5:06pm
Vanns doesn't ship to Canada, hence the reason we were discussing using a Kinek point on the previous page.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post21937548
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post #38938 of 47682
4/22/12 at 6:34pm
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Originally Posted by Karn View Post

To me the improvement in the RC 70 is more in the midrange than the low end anyway. The 70's do 30hz easily but the 30's aren't very far from that either in my room. So while the 70's do play lower it isn't the reason I like them more than the 30's.The tweeters are exactly the same between all of the towers so the primary benifit of the 70's is the midrange which is still being used when you cross it over at 80. Let your sub do what it's best at and that also frees up more power for your AVR to put to the 70's in the frequency range it's best at. I personally have mine set at 60 because I have a bass null from my sub at 80 but I want my sub to handle the low end as much as possible. As good as the 70 is down low your sub was designed specifically for that.

Yes, but running them LARGE will even out the room's response in the low end. i run mine full range with a sub.
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post #38939 of 47682
4/22/12 at 6:55pm
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Originally Posted by caper_1 View Post

Yes, but running them LARGE will even out the room's response in the low end. i run mine full range with a sub.

That would be a "your mileage may vary" type of proposition I guess. If you have a MultEQ XT32-capable receiver, maybe it's worth a try. But if you don't have any sub EQ you'll end up with twice the bass in the range where the RC-70s and the sub overlap. If you then adjust only the overall sub volume, you'll end up with either too much mid-bass if you want enough low bass, or too little low bass if you want to get just the right amount of mid-bass.
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post #38940 of 47682
4/22/12 at 7:46pm
Hello,

I have four RC10s as surround and rear speakers. My room is very large, 940 square feet. I have the RC10s ceiling mounted, using Omnimount 20s. They sound great. They just look a little too large hanging on the ceiling.

Because of the size of my room, I can't wall mount them, and speaker stands wouldn't work. Today at Future Shop I saw three RC8Cs in ceiling speakers.

I am thinking about buying the apparently three last ones in Canada, and trying to pick up one more in the U.S.

What do you think of using the RC8Cs instead of the RC10s for surround/rear speakers ?

Any AVS forum members interested in doing me a solid and buying an RC8C and shipping it on to Canada ?

Any AVS forum members in Western Canada interested in checking to see if a Future Shop out west might have one last RC8C ?

Thank you.

Brian
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