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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

They may not take issue. However, companies tend to be overly possessive, and under US Copyright law in Title 17 they have the right of redistribution,



There are fair use exceptions, but in my research of Internet copyright law cases (IANAL), this kind of situation would not come under fair use. Typical case is that the copyright owner sends a cease and desist letter, but why bother with dealing with that? If some "anonymous" person put the files up on a public file hosting service, then it's not illegal to link

Thanks for the headache! I'm going to take some meds and go to bed!
post #39092 of 51496
Seriously, the easiest way would be to post their link to the doc. Since they manage the lilnk, it's either going to work or not. If it works, it takes you to their website. I wouldn't copy their manual, PDF or otherwise, to my site and make it available there.
post #39093 of 51496
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post


They may not take issue. However, companies tend to be overly possessive, and under US Copyright law in Title 17 they have the right of redistribution,

There are fair use exceptions, but in my research of Internet copyright law cases (IANAL), this kind of situation would not come under fair use. Typical case is that the copyright owner sends a cease and desist letter, but why bother with dealing with that? If some "anonymous" person put the files up on a public file hosting service, then it's not illegal to link

IANAL........... I'm sorry, I couldn't resist. Lol!!!
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Originally Posted by petaylor View Post

Seriously, the easiest way would be to post their link to the doc. Since they manage the lilnk, it's either going to work or not. If it works, it takes you to their website. I wouldn't copy their manual, PDF or otherwise, to my site and make it available there.

That is the reason for all of this, Energy has taken down the manuals and brochures from their website. I got the files from the Energy website before they were all removed.

I don't want to run into any issues with any companies that may have a problem with this material being posted, but I would like to make it legally available to many people, if it is possible.
post #39095 of 51496
Thanks PoshFrosh and batpig for offering a means, and everyone else for their input as well. It could end up being a fair amount of work, but maybe it is necessary if it is the only way. (Excel spread sheet or something).
post #39096 of 51496
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

They may not take issue. However, companies tend to be overly possessive, and under US Copyright law in Title 17 they have the right of redistribution,



There are fair use exceptions, but in my research of Internet copyright law cases (IANAL), this kind of situation would not come under fair use. Typical case is that the copyright owner sends a cease and desist letter, but why bother with dealing with that? If some "anonymous" person put the files up on a public file hosting service, then it's not illegal to link

here is my friend's take:

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Here are the 4 factors used in a fair use inquiry:

1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
2. the nature of the copyrighted work;
3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

1 probably goes against you. After all, there is a Donation button. And this doesn't fall into the generally understood meaning of "nonprofit educational purposes" - meaning, you're not a teacher at a school, etc.

2 is a tossup. Honestly, I think courts ignore this factor.

3 goes against you. You're using the whole thing.

4 probably goes in your favor. There is little market for or value to the copyrighted work. Unless they're selling these manuals, which I doubt they are, but if they are, then that's another thing.

Here's the fun part: since this 4-part test is so vague, and there is no particular rule that courts weigh one factor over another, any court can apply this "test" and arrive at whatever outcome they prefer.

I suggest you go for it and if they send you a letter, take it down and blast them on social media for being douchebags.


so I'm still willing to do it worst-case scenario they send me a nasty-gram letter and I take them down. I'm skeptical that Audiovox would ever feel the need to do that, after all I'm basically giving them free marketing.
post #39097 of 51496
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Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous View Post

I'm not sure what you mean by an angled tweeter. The centre RC-LCR channel matches the RC-70s very well, I can't hear a problem with it at all.

If you have heard the CF-70s and like them a lot, you should probably buy them, since you are happy with the price. If you do buy the CFs, then don't bother reading anymore of this thread, because you will most likely have some desire to buy the RCs. Many people have started off with buying the C series speakers and then end up buying the RCs at some point, usually fairly soon after purchasing the Cs. It just seems like wasted money for the majority of people that buy both model lines. Everybody that I know about that buys the RCs, ends up keeping them in use, instead of the Cs, and I don't think it has ever gone the opposite way (where the Cs were preferred over the RCs). Some people say that the Cs are better for home theatre, but even that recommendation seems to be for small doses of listening periods.
The Klipsch sound may be brighter than the RCs, and I am careful when speaking about Klipsch because some of their speakers have really impressed me, while some of them I find intolerable. I am not sure what you are use to.

All being said, if music is what you really like, I would recommend the RCs all day long.



Again, regarding the center channel. What I can tell about the 3 lines (C, RF, and Veratis) is the C and the Veratis share a "CSM" module for the mid/tweeter configuration. The LCR with the angled tweeter/midrange x2 is designed for 3 across placement. I really want the 3 way towers for my (few) stereo SACD and rare CD playback, but also do alot of movies and multichannel SACD listening.

With the CF's "bright" and "clear" sound, I wonder if it will turn rather "harsh" at higher levels. My current Klipsch Synergy 3.5 with the "horn" tweeter and 8" woofer can be rather shrill when the music gets towards reference levels.

I realize you tend to buy speakers for the long haul, so I just want to get as many user experiences as possible before making the plunge. Thanks again for the feedback JB
post #39098 of 51496
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Originally Posted by DAC21 View Post

The NR1602 is a full featured AVR, fairly well reviewed. Marantz's parent Co is the same as Denon, which is a fav on the Energy board. A lot of shared tech. I doubt you would go wrong. I would say however that your choice of Subs and Receiver far outpaces you speakers. Takes are fine entry level speakers, but won't do justice to your other equipment. Fortunately you probably only have $150 into them when you get upgradeitis.

Hi DAC21, thanks for your reply! Would you recommend that I go for the NR1402 instead if I can forgo the network features? I am actually going to connect it to a PC as well, so as long as streaming is concerned I have that PC to do it.

What would you guys recommend me to upgrade to next? The RC10 bookshelves and the RC-LCR centre? I want the great sound but I'm just worried about the WAF.
post #39099 of 51496
Just redid my speaker setup again And I'm LOVING it.

I put my 2nd receiver back in the bedroom with the e:XL setup, moved my RC-10s back to heights in my HT setup, and put the Outlaw LFM-2 back in the HT as well. To wrap it up I FINALLY moved my RC-LCR down under the TV. There is exactly enough space for my TV to rest on top of my RC-LCR. I swear there is only a millimeter of clearance in the wall unit. Loving having the dialogue coming from the TV rather than from a few feet above the TV. It also makes the heights really stand out. Crossover set at 80hZ for the sub.

Don't you all love the little changes made to setups and how fulfilling (and surprising) they can be? I know my wife does. She loves when I tinker with what I have instead of spending hundreds on new speakers
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yes Macstatic sounds like discovering your toys all over again. I also wish my wife would tinker with her own shoe collection instead of tinkering around my collection of stuff. She especially makes me nervouse when she hollars out hey honey how come the display or the sound is not working. GGGRRRR
post #39101 of 51496
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Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous View Post

That is the reason for all of this, Energy has taken down the manuals and brochures from their website. I got the files from the Energy website before they were all removed.

I don't want to run into any issues with any companies that may have a problem with this material being posted, but I would like to make it legally available to many people, if it is possible.

They just make you go to the product page, but the link to the manual is there. For example, http://audiovox2.info/docs/common/10...1012107_OM.pdf

If you're talking about archived manuals, I agree that's a different story.
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The archived stuff is the whole point of the discussion.
post #39103 of 51496
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

The archived stuff is the whole point of the discussion.

If I had been paying attention, I would have realized that a whole lot sooner. I'm going to chalk it up as a "senior moment". I'm back in sync again.
post #39104 of 51496
Hi
This is my first post here, I have read the energy speakers thread this days, but could not find somebody posting something about the V6.2. I am looking to change/upgrade my 5.1 system and one of my options for fronts are the V6.2 for $349 at vanns. Can someone that have this speakers tell me about their experience with them? Is this a good speaker for the price?
Thank you.
post #39105 of 51496
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Originally Posted by withstar View Post

Hi
This is my first post here, I have read the energy speakers thread this days, but could not find somebody posting something about the V6.2. I am looking to change/upgrade my 5.1 system and one of my options for fronts are the V6.2 for $349 at vanns. Can someone that have this speakers tell me about their experience with them? Is this a good speaker for the price?
Thank you.

welcome to the brotherhood.
post #39106 of 51496
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post
The archived stuff is the whole point of the discussion.
speaking of archived stuff, here is an older article/review from Audioholics titled: "Energy Announces New Reference Connoisseur Series", reflecting the RC-Series official release to the market at that time (2005). Provides a nice little run-down of the design and technologies used in this popular line of speakers and some mention of the principal Energy chief designer John Tchilinguirian. I thought some here would find this info valuable since the RC-Series product is still being sold and circulated.

 

Energy_RCSeries_AudioHolics_June05.pdf 81.3251953125k . file
post #39107 of 51496
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

speaking of archived stuff, here is an older article/review from Audioholics titled: "Energy Announces New Reference Connoisseur Series", reflecting the RC-Series official release to the market at that time (2005). Provides a nice little run-down of the design and technologies used in this popular line of speakers and some mention of the principal Energy chief designer John Tchilinguirian. I thought some here would find this info valuable since the RC-Series product is still being sold and circulated.

Wow! very interesting and obviously a very preliminary announcement! The photo shows the RC-50 with the bigger woofers and where did those "RC-SUBs" go?
post #39108 of 51496
I am sure they are fine speakers (I own the larger 6.3) but for the price most would go with the RC-70 for a little more over the V6.2 and are better speakers minus the better finishes available on the V series .
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Originally Posted by withstar View Post

Hi
This is my first post here, I have read the energy speakers thread this days, but could not find somebody posting something about the V6.2. I am looking to change/upgrade my 5.1 system and one of my options for fronts are the V6.2 for $349 at vanns. Can someone that have this speakers tell me about their experience with them? Is this a good speaker for the price?
Thank you.
post #39109 of 51496
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Originally Posted by deano86 View Post

Wow! very interesting and obviously a very preliminary announcement! The photo shows the RC-50 with the bigger woofers and where did those "RC-SUBs" go?

the RC-SUB was never released. Rumor has it that they had a faulty amp design which caused them to *literally* catch on fire.

so they never saw the light of day... one can only assume they went back to he drawing board and the ESW-V line was the eventual replacement for this failed product.
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Thank you CalgaryCowboy
I have read your comparation between the RC70 and V6.3, i would go for veritas 6.3 but the price is almost $2000 for a pair so that is the reason that I have asked about the V6.2. The RC70 are $1000 for a pair and V6.2 are $700 for a pair. The build for V series is beautiful (WAF points), so if the V6.2 are that good like the RC70, I would go for them. By any chance did you hear how the V6.2 sound? Or maybe somebody else?
post #39111 of 51496
There is no reason to think the V6.2 won't be awesome. We have gotten plenty of positive feedback on the V5.1 (bookshelf) and the V6.3 flagship tower. It just so happens that (on this thread) the folks either tend to go whole hog (stepping all the way up to V6.3) or for the "value" choice (RC-70) and the V6.2 is sort of the red-headed stepchild.

from what we know of the copious comparisons of RC-50 and RC-70, which should apply equally to the V6.2 vs. V6.3, is that the major difference is going to be clarity & separation of details, especially in the midrange, because the RC-70 / V6.3 is a full 3-way design whereas the RC-50 / V6.2 is a 2.5-way. The dedicated midrange driver of the higher model and the additional crossover circuitry is the key there. Some have also noted that the RC-70 has slightly deeper and better controlled bass, again presumably because the 3-way design (the two woofers only have to handle bass, not bass + mids).

that said, most would agree that the difference is on the smaller side and is mostly noticeable with "critical" 2ch music listening. And it's probably fairly subtle. So if the V6.2's fit your budget and you love the looks, grab them, that's a great price!

the only caveat is if you will eventually get the "upgrade bug" and second guess yourself, in which case it probably would be better to wait for a sale on the V6.3 and do it right the first time. That's something you can only decide between yourself, your wallet, and your wife . If you do get the V6.2 and then get the upgrade bug later on, worst case you can use the 6.2's as surrounds if you buy the 6.3's too.
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Anyone that has a rc -70's ever hook them up to a vintage 1970's amp or reciever?

I just hooked them up to a pioneer sx-1080 ( circa 1978 ). The sound is totally different then running them on my pioneer vsx-03 ( circa 2008 ). The sound is pleasing but just dont know how to describe it further. I guess what comes to mind is really full sound. Listening to free ride by the Edgar Winter group which has a pretty heavy bass riff, and swithing back to the other 70's hooked up to the vsx -03 on stereo ( same song ) setting speakers set to large no sub. The old pioneer gives them a heavier sound.
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Withstar,
I don't know where you live, but I'm actually trying to sell my 6.2s right now (and for less than Vanns--I'm moving in 2 weeks so I need to unload them). I'm in the DC area. PM if you are interested or if yo have any questions. I don't want to ship them though.

Also, I upgraded from the 6.2s to the 6.3s. I wouldn't have done so if I hadn't gotten a great deal on the 6.3s. Even so, the 6.3s sound better to me in that it seems to blend better or more effortlessly across all ranges. But I had no complaints when I was using the 6.2s. The characteristics of the two are pretty much the same, except for what I just mentioned. Before the 6.2s, I was using CB-20s...needless to say the 6.2s were a huge leap forward from those.
post #39114 of 51496
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Some have also noted that the RC-70 has slightly deeper and better controlled bass, again presumably because the 3-way design (the two woofers only have to handle bass, not bass + mids).

that said, most would agree that the difference is on the smaller side and is mostly noticeable with "critical" 2ch music listening. And it's probably fairly subtle.

There definitely can be more bass with the RC-70s over the 50s, but it depends on the music being played. I first noticed a difference playing a Tool CD, so this prompted me to do a comparison between the two models. After I did some head to heads, I noticed the differences between the two models bass wise, and it was worth making note of.

I highly doubt anybody would EVER notice ANY difference between the RC-50s and RC-70s when being used for home theatre applications.
I agree that the RC-70s are better than the RC-50s for people that are more demanding of their music setups. The RC-LCR and RC-70 are superior to the RC-50 and other RC models, but again, some types of music will demonstrate this better than others will.
post #39115 of 51496
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

Anyone that has a rc -70's ever hook them up to a vintage 1970's amp or reciever?

I just hooked them up to a pioneer sx-1080 ( circa 1978 ). The sound is totally different then running them on my pioneer vsx-03 ( circa 2008 ). The sound is pleasing but just dont know how to describe it further. I guess what comes to mind is really full sound. Listening to free ride by the Edgar Winter group which has a pretty heavy bass riff, and swithing back to the other 70's hooked up to the vsx -03 on stereo ( same song ) setting speakers set to large no sub. The old pioneer gives them a heavier sound.

I usually end up having my speakers hooked up to different older amps. I like my Pioneeer SX-950, but it isn't the most laid back amp / receiver I have heard. I will definitely say that it does sound very full though, especially the tuner section of those receivers, hands down compared to most. I have an Arcam Alpha 7 connected to it, and all I can say is the Pioneer sounds more full than the $1000+ tuner that is connected to it. That says something in my books.
I would have to anticipate the possibility, that with other speakers, that the Pioneer SX series could sound shrill and bordering harsh with the wrong match of speakers.
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Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous View Post

I usually end up having my speakers hooked up to different older amps. I like my Pioneeer SX-950, but it isn't the most laid back amp / receiver I have heard. I will definitely say that it does sound very full though, especially the tuner section of those receivers, hands down compared to most. I have an Arcam Alpha 7 connected to it, and all I can say is the Pioneer sounds more full than the $1000+ tuner that is connected to it. That says something in my books.
I would have to anticipate the possibility, that with other speakers, that the Pioneer SX series could sound shrill and bordering harsh with the wrong match of speakers.

Thanks Hank, I got to say the rc-70's sound really good with the sx 1080.
I am looking at a pioneer spec 1 and a spec 2 amp for these. Or a pioneer sa-9500 II amp and tx 9500II tuner. See what happens
post #39117 of 51496
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

Thanks Hank, I got to say the rc-70's sound really good with the sx 1080.
I am looking at a pioneer spec 1 and a spec 2 amp for these. Or a pioneer sa-9500 II amp and tx 9500II tuner. See what happens

In my opinion, the current RCs will sound pleasing in almost any setup, and will rock most peoples worlds. The tuner that you already have should rival the other models, but let us know what you find if you try one of them
post #39118 of 51496
Hank - you should subscribe to Dropbox or some other free web space service. Dropbox gives you 2GB of storage for free and you can post the PDFs on your "public" folder where they will be accessible as links to others.
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Hank - you should subscribe to Dropbox or some other free web space service. Dropbox gives you 2GB of storage for free and you can post the PDFs on your "public" folder where they will be accessible as links to others.

Thanks man, I'll look into that. I'll get it together for everybody soon.
post #39120 of 51496
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Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous View Post

In my opinion, the current RCs will sound pleasing in almost any setup, and will rock most peoples worlds. The tuner that you already have should rival the other models, but let us know what you find if you try one of them

Hank, any other older amp and tuner combinations that you might
think would be a good match for the 70's would be appreciated. I was thinking possibly a old Marantz I am using the sx-180 with a pair of HPM 100's so would like to keep that set up and go with something else for the rc 70's.

I am going to remove the set of 70's that I tried for surrounds, and just go the 70's rclcr for the front stage and use something else I have around here for the surrounds. Just seems like a waste to use another set of rc 70 for that when it could be more a benefit in designated 2 channel music system.
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