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post #39181 of 47783
5/8/12 at 7:50pm
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Originally Posted by caper_1 View Post

Sounds like a loose connection.

I just took the driver out and noticed that in fact one of the wires was loose. I plugged the wire back in and now its all good. You were spot on Caper. Thanks.
Jason and BatPig thanks for your suggestions and instructions. You guys are awesome.
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post #39182 of 47783
5/8/12 at 8:24pm
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Originally Posted by OmegaR3D View Post

That riser is only rated to 100lbs, my tv is 150lbs with the stand.

This stand fits the RC-LCR perfectly. While it is rated up to 60lbs, that's with the plastic swivel on the bottom. I removed that with mine. Then the posts are thick metal. Super sturdy. I know that they could hold a lot of weight. Underneath there are plastic end caps helping the posts to attach. But if you put thick furniture pads, then they wouldn't take any weight. The top and bottom shelves are MDF. If you could add any kind of support--some kind of spacers (perhaps a couple of pieces of wood painted black)--tightly between the top of the RC-LCR and the bottom of the top shelf, that would prevent the MDF from flexing and transfer some of the weight to the RC-LCR. I don't see why it couldn't hold 100lbs then.
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post #39183 of 47783
5/8/12 at 9:37pm
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Originally Posted by OmegaR3D View Post

Do you guys have any recommendations for an angled speaker stand suitable to hold the RC-LCR below the tv? I've seen all sorts of center speaker stands but they don't look like they could hold the RC-LCR. I'd like one that's angled so it's pointing up at the listening position.

I used to be able to fit my RC-LCR in front of my TV but with a TV upgrade there's now no room for the speaker...it needs a stand real soon. This is what it looks like in the meantime:




If you guys can throw out some models I'll check them out I don't mind ordering from the USA if needed though Vanns is obviously out of the question for me.

Nice looking setup
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post #39184 of 47783
5/8/12 at 9:40pm
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

Nice looking setup

Definitely is Beautiful
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post #39185 of 47783
5/9/12 at 4:36am
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Originally Posted by enthusiast8 View Post

I just took the driver out and noticed that in fact one of the wires was loose. I plugged the wire back in and now its all good. You were spot on Caper. Thanks.
Jason and BatPig thanks for your suggestions and instructions. You guys are awesome.

SWEEEET! Back in business!
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post #39186 of 47783
5/9/12 at 7:38am
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

This stand fits the RC-LCR perfectly. While it is rated up to 60lbs, that's with the plastic swivel on the bottom.

Interesting, very low cost too. I might get it and try it out though with the tv at 150lbs I'd be very nervous about putting my faith in that stand. I'd probably stand on it for a while and if it holds my 160lbs then it's good to go
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post #39187 of 47783
5/9/12 at 9:06am
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Originally Posted by OmegaR3D View Post

Interesting, very low cost too. I might get it and try it out though with the tv at 150lbs I'd be very nervous about putting my faith in that stand. I'd probably stand on it for a while and if it holds my 160lbs then it's good to go

That tv is 150 pounds? It looks like an LCD and only weighs about 30.
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post #39188 of 47783
5/9/12 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by audit13 View Post

Wow, that is not much of a fee at all. How long did it take for the speakers to make it to Kinek?

I'll have to go back a re-read parts of this thread.

In my experience shipping to a far-away Kinek point was quite fast (a few days -- I don't remember exactly but it was in the same week). Also each Kinek point has its own fee structure (and also it own schedule!) -- they're independant businesses that simply use the Kinek banner & framework. So make sure your chosen Kinek point has a schedule compatible with your planned trip south of the border and that their prices are sane. 5$ is typical for a small packages under 15 or 20 lbs. Mine charged 10$ for the RC-10s and 10$ for the RC-LCR packages, each of which is above 20 lbs.
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post #39189 of 47783
5/9/12 at 2:45pm
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

In my experience shipping to a far-away Kinek point was quite fast (a few days -- I don't remember exactly but it was in the same week). Also each Kinek point has its own fee structure (and also it own schedule!) -- they're independant businesses that simply use the Kinek banner & framework. So make sure your chosen Kinek point has a schedule compatible with your planned trip south of the border and that their prices are sane. 5$ is typical for a small packages under 15 or 20 lbs. Mine charged 10$ for the RC-10s and 10$ for the RC-LCR packages, each of which is above 20 lbs.

Thank you for the information.

I checked some of the Kinek points. The Lewiston one starts @ $10 while two others in the Buffalo area start @ $5.
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post #39190 of 47783
5/9/12 at 3:17pm
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Originally Posted by enthusiast8 View Post

I just took the driver out and noticed that in fact one of the wires was loose. I plugged the wire back in and now its all good. You were spot on Caper. Thanks.
Jason and BatPig thanks for your suggestions and instructions. You guys are awesome.

fantastic! What a relief for you

now go enjoy your new toy and please let us know what you think!
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post #39191 of 47783
5/9/12 at 6:49pm
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Originally Posted by Saints View Post

That tv is 150 pounds? It looks like an LCD and only weighs about 30.

Ya, 150 pounds seems high.. Are you sure that wasn't a spec for a shipped weight? What size/model is it?
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post #39192 of 47783
5/9/12 at 7:24pm
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Originally Posted by OmegaR3D View Post

Interesting, very low cost too. I might get it and try it out though with the tv at 150lbs I'd be very nervous about putting my faith in that stand. I'd probably stand on it for a while and if it holds my 160lbs then it's good to go

I thought you said 100lbs. My bad. Sorry.

The metal supports do seem like the are strong enough. Heavy duty enough that if you wacked someone in the head with one, it could break their skull (seriously). But the MDF isn't strong enough by itself. I just pressed down on the front center of mine and it started to flex. While I would be completely willing to risk wedging a center support in between my RC-LCR and the top for 100lbs, not sure about 150. Maybe a couple of supports long ways from side to side, an inch wide, set about 4 or 5 inches apart. If they were cut the exact right height (such that you would have to put on the top shelf over the RC-LCR and supports, and the RC-LCR was locked in tight), I would think that would help evenly distribute the weight, but I'm no engineer or builder.
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post #39193 of 47783
5/10/12 at 5:48am
Id just build a riser myself. You just have to nail 3 pieces of of wood together. Home depot could do all of the cutting and then you can just paint or stain the wood. You can fit it to the exact size of the LCR and buy wood as thick as needed.
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post #39194 of 47783
5/10/12 at 7:16am
Before I make my final decision as to rear surrounds, I am asking for a final bit of advice from Energy owners.

I was using a pair of Energy c-r100 (http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/detai...ound_speakers/) as my surrounds and switched to the Mirage OMD-5 (http://www.amazon.com/Mirage-OMD5-OM.../dp/B000MWDI5A).

The surrounds are sitting on a shelf about 2 feet above the main listening position. Unfortunately, I am not able to mount them any higher at the moment.

Would I gain much from swapping the Mirage or c-r100 for the VS surround?
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post #39195 of 47783
5/10/12 at 7:57am
What do you guys think I would gain from upgrading my Left and Right fronts from rc10s to a pair of rclcrs? I will either do this or just use that $500 to put toward an ID sub in the future. Right now I have the s10.3

My big concern is that I'd hate to wait on the lcrs just to have them be unavailable or much more expensive down the road.

Anybody with three lcrs up front that can comment on how much better they'd be than the rc10s?
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post #39196 of 47783
5/10/12 at 8:03am
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Originally Posted by Karn View Post

Id just build a riser myself. You just have to nail 3 pieces of of wood together. Home depot could do all of the cutting and then you can just paint or stain the wood. You can fit it to the exact size of the LCR and buy wood as thick as needed.

Good idea, that's actually what I did with my previous Plasma. I got Home Depot to cut some wood up and slid it under the tv so the RC-LCR wasn't blocking the screen. It was a little wobbly though. This tv would require a little more craftsmanship (which I lack) since I'd be putting the tv on top of the LCR but I'll look into it as well as a speaker stand and see which has the best combo of looks/safety.
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post #39197 of 47783
5/10/12 at 8:06am
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Originally Posted by JuEv0splash View Post

What do you guys think I would gain from upgrading my Left and Right fronts from rc10s to a pair of rclcrs? I will either do this or just use that $500 to put toward an ID sub in the future. Right now I have the s10.3

My big concern is that I'd hate to wait on the lcrs just to have them be unavailable or much more expensive down the road.

Anybody with three lcrs up front that can comment on how much better they'd be than the rc10s?

There's no easy answer. It depends.

For example, do you have surrounds? surround backs? What would you do with the RC-10s? If you have no (or crappy) surrounds, then upgrading the fronts and then moving the RC-10s to surrounds would be a good idea in that it wouldn't be a waste of money or material.

3 LCR on the front should be great, though not many people in this thread have chosen this way. Either they feel that the RC-10s are good enough, or they go all the way to the RC-70s towers. If you're pretty sure you won't want RC-70s down the road, you're worried about LCR availability, and you would re-use the RC-10s anyway, then it's a very well invested $500 in my opinion.

The S10.3 seems to be a good sub. However I think upgrading from the S10.3 to an ID sub in the $600-800 range would be a much more exciting upgrade (for HT use at least) than upgrading the RC-10s to RC-LCRs. For music, maybe not so: the mid-ranges in the LCR coupled with your decent S10.3 will probably be a great music setup.

So it depends on your priorities, typical use, worries, dreams and fantasies
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post #39198 of 47783
5/10/12 at 9:00am
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post


There's no easy answer. It depends.

For example, do you have surrounds? surround backs? What would you do with the RC-10s? If you have no (or crappy) surrounds, then upgrading the fronts and then moving the RC-10s to surrounds would be a good idea in that it wouldn't be a waste of money or material.

3 LCR on the front should be great, though not many people in this thread have chosen this way. Either they feel that the RC-10s are good enough, or they go all the way to the RC-70s towers. If you're pretty sure you won't want RC-70s down the road, you're worried about LCR availability, and you would re-use the RC-10s anyway, then it's a very well invested $500 in my opinion.

The S10.3 seems to be a good sub. However I think upgrading from the S10.3 to an ID sub in the $600-800 range would be a much more exciting upgrade (for HT use at least) than upgrading the RC-10s to RC-LCRs. For music, maybe not so: the mid-ranges in the LCR coupled with your decent S10.3 will probably be a great music setup.

So it depends on your priorities, typical use, worries, dreams and fantasies

Definitely see your point. I currently have two pairs of cb-5s for surrounds and front heights.

At this point I think I will be getting a new sub for sure next year come bonus time. So I might just do both If I did decide to get the lcrs...I would move my rc-10s to the heights or surrounds. Any ideas on which would be better to replace?

Edit: Sorry forgot to mention...my setup is 60/40 for HT/xbox. Music is almost nil.
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post #39199 of 47783
5/10/12 at 9:23am
the biggest difference is that the RC-LCR is a 3-way design with dedicated midrange drivers. So, in addition to the fact that it's physically a much bigger speaker with dual woofers, and thus has significantly more bass output, the 5-driver / 3-way design is a big step up from the 2-driver / 2-way design of the RC-10. You will get better clarity, separation and detail, smoother overall sound, and a bit more "effortless" performance. Plus having 3 x RC-LCR across the front will mean it's a perfect tonal match.

that said of course, as neutro opined, these decisions are all about priorities vs. budget. I do agree that it's likely that a sub upgrade will be a bigger jump forward than the RC-10 > RC-LCR upgrade for front L/R. If you can do both all the better If you can also get a 9ch AVR and still use those 4 x CB-5 even BETTER
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post #39200 of 47783
5/10/12 at 9:25am
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Originally Posted by audit13 View Post

Before I make my final decision as to rear surrounds, I am asking for a final bit of advice from Energy owners.

I was using a pair of Energy c-r100 (http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/detai...ound_speakers/) as my surrounds and switched to the Mirage OMD-5 (http://www.amazon.com/Mirage-OMD5-OM.../dp/B000MWDI5A).

The surrounds are sitting on a shelf about 2 feet above the main listening position. Unfortunately, I am not able to mount them any higher at the moment.

Would I gain much from swapping the Mirage or c-r100 for the VS surround?

it's hard to say -- why don't you tell us about your feelings on the CR-100's vs. the OMD5's? The VS surround will be more similar in design to the CR-100, just a vastly superior version. So the question is did you prefer the bipolar radiation of the C-R100 or are you happier with the omnipolar OMD5's?
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post #39201 of 47783
5/10/12 at 9:57am
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Originally Posted by JuEv0splash View Post

What do you guys think I would gain from upgrading my Left and Right fronts from rc10s to a pair of rclcrs? I will either do this or just use that $500 to put toward an ID sub in the future. Right now I have the s10.3

My big concern is that I'd hate to wait on the lcrs just to have them be unavailable or much more expensive down the road.

Anybody with three lcrs up front that can comment on how much better they'd be than the rc10s?

IMO, I would save up for the sub, hands down...
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post #39202 of 47783
5/10/12 at 12:51pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

the biggest difference is that the RC-LCR is a 3-way design with dedicated midrange drivers. So, in addition to the fact that it's physically a much bigger speaker with dual woofers, and thus has significantly more bass output, the 5-driver / 3-way design is a big step up from the 2-driver / 2-way design of the RC-10. You will get better clarity, separation and detail, smoother overall sound, and a bit more "effortless" performance. Plus having 3 x RC-LCR across the front will mean it's a perfect tonal match.

that said of course, as neutro opined, these decisions are all about priorities vs. budget. I do agree that it's likely that a sub upgrade will be a bigger jump forward than the RC-10 > RC-LCR upgrade for front L/R. If you can do both all the better If you can also get a 9ch AVR and still use those 4 x CB-5 even BETTER

Thanks for the input. I think I'm gonna end up doing both...eventually

I'll probably order the lcr pair soon so as not to risk missing out on the great price. I think with the sub I can make due with the s10.3 for now then upgrade next year. I keep thinking if I try to wait on the lcrs the stock will deplete and I'll be kicking myself!

As for my cb-5s I'll have to send one pair to the master bedroom. Question: should I move my rc10s to heights or surrounds?

I like the idea of having an all-rc front soundstage, but I'd be willing to move em to surround duty they'd make a bigger impact.

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Originally Posted by caper_1 View Post


IMO, I would save up for the sub, hands down...

Thanks for the advice...I will upgrade the sub for sure, I just can't quite budget enough at the moment to do it right. When I do, I'll probably go with a Hsu.
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post #39203 of 47783
5/10/12 at 12:56pm
I would go with RC-10 as surrounds, they are more important than the height speakers.
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post #39204 of 47783
5/10/12 at 1:23pm
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I would go with RC-10 as surrounds, they are more important than the height speakers.

Haha, WAF will suffer greatly! I better make this one helluva mother's day!

Thanks again.
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post #39205 of 47783
5/10/12 at 2:00pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

it's hard to say -- why don't you tell us about your feelings on the CR-100's vs. the OMD5's? The VS surround will be more similar in design to the CR-100, just a vastly superior version. So the question is did you prefer the bipolar radiation of the C-R100 or are you happier with the omnipolar OMD5's?

I like the c-r100 and, when switching to the OMD-5s, the rear sound effects seemed more localized. I switched back to the c-r100 and the sounds were less localized.

Both of these speakers have very little in terms of bass. Also, it has always been my understanding that the rear sound effects should be as non-localized as possible. By going with the VS, I was hoping to have even less localized sound while increasing the bass output from the rears. I know that there isn't much bass in the rears but, going from a small, bass-shy centre to an rc-lcr, was a dramatic improvement.
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post #39206 of 47783
5/10/12 at 2:18pm
based on those comments I think you will like the VS upgrade. It sounds like the surrounds are pretty close behind you so the bipole/dipole capability should be a help.

don't underestimate the amount of bass effects in the surround channels, especially in modern action movies. Obviously the center channel has a lot more, but the surrounds can get a solid workout with a big budget action flick.
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post #39207 of 47783
5/10/12 at 5:09pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

based on those comments I think you will like the VS upgrade. It sounds like the surrounds are pretty close behind you so the bipole/dipole capability should be a help.

don't underestimate the amount of bass effects in the surround channels, especially in modern action movies. Obviously the center channel has a lot more, but the surrounds can get a solid workout with a big budget action flick.

Thank you for the information.

From the main listening position, the surrounds are about 5 feet away horizontally and 2 feet above ear level with the back of the speaker against the wall.

Looks like I'm ordering a pair of VS surrounds, together with a Gefen HDMI detective from Amazon.

I watched Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol and Underworld Awakening and the surrounds were quite active. I'll have to re-watch these movies when I get the VS installed.
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post #39208 of 47783
5/10/12 at 5:15pm
Energy has been doing some changes and updating to their website. There is a way to search for recent Energy models at the top right of their website, but the older Energy manuals and spec sheets aren't available through their website anymore. We can all speculate on why Audiovox is probably trying to bury the older product info, but it is what it is.
So...GET 'EM WHILE THE GETTIN'S GOOD!!!

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/scjuc30ylshsa5n/CaqhZ-nx9A

I wanted to make these specs, manuals and brochures easily available to everyone here. Thanks to all of you for the ideas on how (or if) to put them up. batpig's Drop Box idea seemed to be the cheapest, easiest and smoothest way to get it done.
It would be great if anybody else that has different archived Energy manuals could post them as well.

Enjoy!
(If you never hear from me again, Audiovox sent their people to "Take care of it")
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post #39209 of 47783
5/10/12 at 5:18pm
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Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous View Post

Energy has been doing some changes and updating to their website. There is a way to search for recent Energy models at the top right of their website, but the older Energy manuals and spec sheets aren't available through their website anymore. We can all speculate on why Audiovox is probably trying to bury the older product info, but it is what it is.
So...GET 'EM WHILE THE GETTIN'S GOOD!!!

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/scjuc30ylshsa5n/CaqhZ-nx9A

I wanted to make these specs, manuals and brochures easily available to everyone here. Thanks to all of you for the ideas on how (or if) to put them up. batpig's Drop Box idea seemed to be the cheapest, easiest and smoothest way to get it done.
It would be great if anybody else that has different archived Energy manuals could post them as well.

Enjoy!
(If you never hear from me again, Audiovox sent their people to "Take care of it")

haha. Hope energy is taken care of
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5/10/12 at 6:20pm
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Originally Posted by Hank Mardukous View Post

Energy has been doing some changes and updating to their website. There is a way to search for recent Energy models at the top right of their website, but the older Energy manuals and spec sheets aren't available through their website anymore. We can all speculate on why Audiovox is probably trying to bury the older product info, but it is what it is.
So...GET 'EM WHILE THE GETTIN'S GOOD!!!

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/scjuc30ylshsa5n/CaqhZ-nx9A

I wanted to make these specs, manuals and brochures easily available to everyone here. Thanks to all of you for the ideas on how (or if) to put them up. batpig's Drop Box idea seemed to be the cheapest, easiest and smoothest way to get it done.
It would be great if anybody else that has different archived Energy manuals could post them as well.

Enjoy!
(If you never hear from me again, Audiovox sent their people to "Take care of it")

excellent work hank! thanks a lot!
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