Energy Owners Thread - Page 1329

I have an Outlaw EX in a living room that is part of 6,000 cubic feet of open floor plan. It works OK configured for the listening position about 8 feet away, but more sub would be more optimal for my space. And I have hardwood floors over a basement, which is helping the bass to excite the room. The PB12-NSD has a little less output than the EX but should have more than the Legend. I'd stick with it.

I received my replacement towers 6.2 Veritas's Friday and this time UPS did not damage them. Hooked everything up this weekend and so far I've been impressed. Still need to calibrate and adjust some things on my receiver since it was originally setup for a smaller speaker setup but overall impressed.

Yeah Captivators are in another category entirely That being said the Captivator 1000 is the baby in JTR family I think, and it's head to head with the flagship models from SVS and a bunch of others. There's this cool video of dual Captivators fed with a 3000-Watt amp and what they can do to a sleeping bag

I think you'll be delighted with the PB12. But I got to warn you. You will be satisfied... for maybe a few months. Then you'll begin to salivate and eye the big boys. Luckily for you SVS has a great upgrade policy. You'll be able (within a year) to get full credit for the PB12 (minus the cost of shipping it back) toward a larger model. Let's be clear here: you won't necessarily want to upgrade because you need it or because the PB12 is not sufficient. You'll just look at it and wonder what an Ultra would do

Yeah I'm having a tough time deciding now between the SVS PB12-NSD or RC-70s. As stated earlier I've got 4xRC-10s now and an RC-LCR. I think that's the sub is gonna do more for me but I just want the RC-70s haha. The sub decision came down to the Hsu or SVS and I really like SVS 5 year warranty and 45 day in home trial. Would you guys agree sub over RC-70s?

obviously the answer is BOTH

I myself would recommend the RC70s. Since there has been rumors of them becoming extinct, and no one really knows how long they will be around regardless. If you get them now, you will beP assured of getting them, and can get whatever sub you want after. Possibly even the next generation model by the time you buy the new sub. Just my opinion...

I bought the SVS first. Couldn't manage to *not* buy the RC-70s anyway.
The sub made obviously the most measurable difference. But the towers did make a very audible difference (though I had CB-20s, not RC-10s) in terms of ... well it's rather hard to describe but I guess that would be the habitual references to an extended soundstage, etc.

If you asked me now to choose between the sub or the RC-70s, I'd chose the 70s and would wait with their impressive low-end until I had the money for a sub even more authoritative than what I have now I feel the RC-70s will be there for a while, possibly decades; the sub *will* be upgraded sooner than later, just because I feel the SB12 is just the beginning of a great trip while the 70s is somewhere I feel I can stop and rest

Depends what you are wanting out of you system. What type of listening do you do with you system mainly? How loud do you listen to music.

I've gone back and forth on this exact question to the point that I can't even remember which route I suggested last time.

Would you take your system to 7.1 or would you sell a pair of RC-10's?

Is there much activity on craiglist or audiogon where you live? If so maybe you could score a nice subwoofer at a discount.

Batpig nailed it, get both...lolz.

IDK if you could sell the 10's to offset the 70's, I'd go that route I think. The rc70's are just so darn good.

I asked earlier, but help me out, the subs you are looking at, how much are they?

I really enjoy what a nice sub offers, but cranking the 70's to what seems to be my system's limit, is a thing of beauty. So clean. Almost like it is just not loud...it's just better.

That is one thing I love about the 70s they are running directly off my receiver, so even at max output I shouldn't be running any risk of blowing them. Same thing goes for my LCR, and 10s. They are all rated to handle more then my receiver puts out. So even if one of the kids gets loud happy I will have great speakers regardless. I remember years ago my brother blowing my dads Technics speakers a couple times. He had the massive towers with a 15" sub built in to the tower. He had to replace the speakers a couple times. lol.

You could still damage your 70s by underpowering them if one of your kids turns the volume up. Watch out for nasty clipping!

The subs I'm looking at are in the $750 range shipped, so basically the same price as the RC-70's. I can't spend the money on both right now unfortunately. Maybe I'll just pick up the 70s and get a BIC F12 or something to fill in for home theater duties and just use the 70s without sub for music.

It's probably a 70/30 or 60/40 split between home theater and music respectively. Craigslist for audio isn't great in my area and I think I'd take my system 7.1 and use the RC-10s as rears. I'd have to buy a rocket fish or wireless system for the rear hook ups but I already have shelving behind the couch ready to place them on.

I wouldn't spend my money on the BIC F12 if you get the RC-70s. Better to wait until you can afford a good sub.

You do realize that where you ask this question of sub vs RC-70s tends to determine the answer you get. If you ask it again in the AVS subwoofer forum instead of the Energy owners thread, they'll tell you to get the sub first

I have two setups rc-70s and Veritas v 6.3 I had the money to buy a real good sub but decide to finish both setups without buying a sub,i wouldn't take the risk of getting a sub that i can buy later for a awesome discontinued product like the rc-70s,right now I'm using on the rc-70s a previous energy esw v8" sub from a energy c-500 setup that i sold,now I'm just saving money for my next purchase 2 Subs,but this speakers alone produce enough bass to enjoy your movies and music.
Edited by losservatore - 6/18/12 at 12:21pm

if you truly can't do both right now... here's the way to think about it in the short term until you complete the set:

- RC-10's plus monster sub will be superior for HT. The subwoofer is just SO important for home theater.

- RC-70's w/o sub will be superior for music. All of the aforementioned advantages of the RC-70 vs. smaller RC speakers will really shine for critical music listening.

- if you go sub first, you do run the risk of missing out on these great RC-70 deals from Vanns. Who knows when they stop this arrangement? On the other hand, there will ALWAYS be awesome subwoofers.

An alternate option (which you already thought about) is to get a "fill in" sub to hold you over until you can afford a monster. This is a great idea if you are willing to eat a small loss on the sub as a "rental fee" (or can repurpose it to a smaller setup in the future when you upgrade). I do agree though with CEL that I wouldn't go with the BIC sub for such a nice setup, it will produce a decent amount of output but will be flabby compared to the RC's. I think a better choice as a fill-in sub would be the S10.3 at its awesome sale prices at Newegg. You aren't going to get monster sub output or extension but it has very low distortion and will hit clean and tight, it will be a better complement to RC-70's in the short term and you can probably resell for a $50 loss at worst in the future.

so my advice would be, if you truly can't afford both, go with the RC-70's and an S10.3 for now and then upgrade the sub down the road when you can afford to get what you really want. The only exception would be if it was a dedicated HT setup (very little critical music use) in which case the sub will be very important, but in your case with a mixed use setup I think RC-70 + S10.3 will make you very happy, and then when you do upgrade the sub you will really appreciate the difference.

I currently have a Denon 1910, 4 RC10's, RCLCR, and an outlaw LFM1plus sub. My room is 18x16 and carpeted. 75% TV/Movies and 25% music. I have a major case of upgraditis with the price of the RC70's at Vanns. I don't think they are gonna get cheaper and worried that they won't be around much longer depending on who you talk to.

I'm also very interested in the VS surrounds. I love my RC10's but just want more. I feel like they have trouble filling the room sometimes. I can't audition the speakers but am confident that I will like the RC 70's. So my question is with the Veritas VS Surrounds.

I really like that I can flush mount them on the wall. Not sure about the difference between bipole and dipole? How do they compare to the RC10's as surrounds? If I can't push the WAF and get the RC 70's for my mains would the VS as surrounds be ok paired with my RC10's up front. I have not heard any of the veritas line of speakers to compare them to the RC's. Thanks in advance for your help!

i"m sure the VS surrounds would be great with the RC-10s but the RC-70's would be the much better upgrade.

Some people don't think you need bipole or dipole speakers as surrounds but I believe the VS speaker can also be set as monopole just like the RC-R's that have the same options.

Hi,

I'm a newbie to this entire hometheater setups. After doing some reading, i was inclined to go ahead with the Denon 2113 AV receiver + Energy Take classic 5.1. Last week, there was a one day sale for
Denon 3112 in amazon, And I jumped and bought it. Now, the max budget I have now for speaker is $800. But by next year i will be able to pitch in a good amount of money to buy a good set of speakers(doesn't mean that I consider ETC as not good). So for the one year term, will the Take classic be a good choice to go with my AVR, or are there any better recommendations? Please help.
Edited by sijinkj - 6/18/12 at 5:33pm

Yeah, see the conversation above. Buy a pair of RC-70's now for $800 or less and then add speakers / subwoofer as budget permits. Quality over quantity. 2.0 RC-70's over 5.1 Takes.

Not sure how... mine only have a 2-way switch: bipole/dipole, but there is also a 'gain' knob?? Not sure what it is even for..

It is actually a volume knob for the side firing midrange drivers. When turned all the way down, the speaker essentially becomes a monopole speaker, with output only from the front woofer and tweeter. You can then adjust the knob up to a max of -1db below the level of the front drivers for your "dispersion" effect into your room. As such you can also switch those midrange drivers output to be in phase(bipole) or out of phase(dipole). A very cool and flexible optioned surround speaker with a simple wall mounting system. Truly a great addition/upgrade for anyone's system.....

So if given the choice would people prefer to have RC10 or veritas VS for surrounds. Pros and Cons. Ihaven't seen much of a comparison of the 2. Thanks again.

I think it's going to depend on what you like to do mostly. If you like multi channel music I think the RC-10s win. If you favor movies and home theater in your setup I'd bet the VS surrounds would be better. I've got RC-10s and would love to try out some VS's but they'll need to get in line behind other stuff

Thanks a lot for the advice.

In addition to what mphfrom77 suggested, you could start with 4 RC-10s and an RC-LCR for the center. Then add a killer sub down the road. That will give you a great sounding setup right now that will be a good leap over what the Take Classics can do.

This is a very good solution because you'll have the center too. And if you add RC-70s later, the excess RC-10s can be used for surround backs or wides or heights. The downside is that RC-10s don't go as low as RC-70s and thus the low-end will be lacking for HT until you get the sub.

I have the same receiver, size room, and use. I was using 2 RC10's with an RCLCR as my front, but then upgraded to the RC70's. The difference was huge and amazing. Even my girlfriend was impressed.

As the wise Batpig once told me "do it now and ask for forgiveness later"

I think I'd go with 1 pair of RC-10's, the RC LCR and a $300 subwoofer. I'd rather have a subwoofer than surround speakers. Then next year you can either upgrade to RC-70 towers up front or another pair of RC-10s if you want to stay with bookshelf speakers.

Several good subs in the below $300 range in no particular order would be:

1. Energy s10.3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882269026

2, Polk PSW-505
http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-12-Inch-Powered-Subwoofer/dp/B000092TT0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1340132037&sr=8-1&keywords=polk+psw505

3. Bic F12
http://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M/ref=pd_cp_e_0

4. Bic PL200
http://www.amazon.com/BIC-PL-200-Acoustech-Platinum-Series/dp/B001W3FXAQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1340132107&sr=1-1&keywords=bic+pl-200

I'm pretty sure you can get the PL-200 under $300 by making an offer on their ebay site. Same vendor as on Amazon.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BIC-Acoustech-PL-200-12-1000-Watt-Powered-Subwoofer-/390377104229?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item5ae449e365

Hi,

I have the Energy Take Classics with sub paired with the Denon 1912, i really like them. The space in the living room is about 20'6'' x 14'. Are the speakers enough for that space? is the room size too big?

The living room is adyacent to the dinning room in L shaped form, and the kitchen is across the dining room (open kitchen, or sort of). But the main listening/watching room is the living room. is it enough?

well, since you are the one who has them why don't you tell US if it's "enough"? does it sound good to you or not?

don't take that out of context



I can't take credit for that one

The real quote is "forgiveness is easier to get than permission" and it's the official AVS motto.