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post #40741 of 47737
8/16/12 at 5:57pm
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Originally Posted by gostillerz View Post

I sent Vanns an email telling him how one corner looks like it got wet, and water could've seeped inside the cabinet, so I'm worried that they don't sound as good as they should. Said I want replacements when they get back in stock. Got my fingers crossed, but not getting my hopes up. I'm thinking all of my other speakers are in perfect shape, so having the 2 main ones look like that will bother me, along with if I ever decide to sell them. Worst comes to worst, I still got my 50's.

Something just isn't right......claim after claim of damaged RC-70's on this thread, let alone the ones we will never hear about from non AVS members. How is it that Vanns haven't learned by now that they need to reinforce/double box these Speakers? Having declared Bankruptcy makes me go Hummm?? I have bought a number of items from them (very happy) although nothing since 2009. The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that maybe these Speakers are worth more dead than alive. Either that or they have given up the Ghost > and are Toast as an ongoing entity
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post #40742 of 47737
8/16/12 at 6:31pm
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Originally Posted by DAC21 View Post

Something just isn't right......claim after claim of damaged RC-70's on this thread, let alone the ones we will never hear about from non AVS members. How is it that Vanns haven't learned by now that they need to reinforce/double box these Speakers? Having declared Bankruptcy makes me go Hummm?? I have bought a number of items from them (very happy) although nothing since 2009. The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that maybe these Speakers are worth more dead than alive. Either that or they have given up the Ghost > and are Toast as an ongoing entity

The only thing I purchased directly from Vanns were 4 OMD5 speakers in Feb 2011. They were shipped via UPS and double-boxed. The speakers were in perfect condition, as were the inside and outside boxes. Maybe Vanns doesn't have a box large enough to double box the rc-70 speakers? With their bankruptcy, we may never know the answer.
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post #40743 of 47737
8/16/12 at 7:21pm
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Wow I had seen the *results* of his study but not the actual white papers in all its glorious details. Very interesting even though I think he could have performed a more exhaustive study if he were a better programmer biggrin.gif I really think that those results are great. What I take from this is that in order to have both a flat and spatially uniform bass response:
  • EQ is necessary
  • To get perfect results, one would have to use dozens of subs which is not realistically possible
  • The 4-subs at mid-wall configuration is the best, but comes very close to the dual-subs at mid-wall configuration
Considering that 4 subs is approximately twice the price of two subs, I think this actually a pretty good argument to get duals. I have yet to listen to the podcast though smile.gif
What I would really like though is some kind of software using finite elements to model my room, simulate the SPL accross the room for a given configuration, and then optimize the sub location...
I just came across this pretty advanced paper in which the author tries to do a time-domain simulation of acoustic wave propagation in an enclosure (looking at different numerical methods). However he concludes that this is not currently feasible above 200 Hz due to the number of samples required in the simulation. I almost screamed "but this is exactly what we need!".
That receiver is pretty tempting with XT32 at half the price of a Denon 4311ci (in Canada). How do you find it so far?
I agree... And the current owner of my old CB-20s is astounded as well by the crispiness of the highs. Although I thought it was a bit lacking in the mids (around the male voice frequencies) even after room correction. I wanted to make the move to the CF-70s so bad... but then the RC-70s appeared in FutureShop for even cheaper so I jumped on them. If I had found the CF-70s at a more interesting price I would have kept my Connoisseur setup; now I switched to an all-RC setup.
While the RC-70s are absolutely fantastic speakers, I miss the crispiness of the CBs a bit. Yeah in comparison to the RC-70s they do sound a bit harsh, and with a large range of music (jazz, female vocals, blues, classical) the RC-70s do sound so mellow and ethereal... but I also listen to metal and electronica, and sometimes I wish the RC-70s would hurt me more biggrin.gif Maybe I should just bump the treble a bit.

The 818, is quite an amazing machine. There is nothing else in this price range that will compare with the specs and features of this receiver. Trust me I looked at EVERYTHING!!! I still haven't stopped reading/learning about how to set it all up and honestly I have only run audesssey twice, once after a firmware update, so I am far from perfecting the tuning. I'm just waiting to mount the other speakers before I go too far into it.

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Thanks for sharing smile.gif
Just wait until you add another sub wink.gif at 600 sq ft a single 10 incher is almost certainly undersized for full scale movie effects. The second sub will not only increase headroom and help pressurize that large space, but as the discussion above notes it will also smooth out the response across the listening area.
Also since you have a receiver with DSX before you mount the other CB-20s experiment with placing them as wides or heights too.

Right you are! This sub punches alright. It is certainly well powered for the size of it, but I did indeed wire up for 2 subs when I finished the rec-room, so it will definately be coming in the future. In regards to the placement of the rear speakers, I don't have a lot of moving room seeing as I ran all the wiring in the walls to 2 post banana post plates at each location. That being said, I spent literally weeks designing the placement of all the components during the rough in stage of the basement, right down to a "mock-up" of my TV so I could decide on placement of the speakers. I measured viewing distances, triangulated from the center of the viewing area to each speaker, ensured both front LR speakers were equal distances from the TV, etc. They are mounted on the wall with a 3/8" stud/ball style mount which will allow for a fair bit of play both up and down and side to side. I think I have most of my angles covered....... THINK!.......
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post #40744 of 47737
8/16/12 at 8:14pm
When I bought my rc-70s, I receive a dented one ,I returned back ,But then they send me one double boxed.All the small packages from then, Like the rc-10s, veritas v5.1, veritas v5.2 , veritas vs surround.... Came double boxed.
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post #40745 of 47737
8/16/12 at 10:21pm
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Originally Posted by nc88keyz View Post

Vanns' Energy Dealer status???
from klipsch group support, .......
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Josh,
 
Since Vann’s is no longer an authorized dealer they will not likely be able to assist you any further and I would not recommend any further purchase from them if you expect any warranty considerations.
This doesnt seem correct does it? This guy is starting to push my buttons now. the wrong way
Apparently it is correct:
During the bankrupcy reorganization, Vanns is temporarily not an authorized dealer, and unable to order from Energy as such at this time. This is from Ryan in chat support at Vanns.
Response from Klipsch:
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Josh,
 
They just filed for Chapter 11 and unless something changes with their re-structure plan they are at least at this time, not an active dealer. They are still listed on our website for the moment. Sorry, we will not be able to continue back-and-forth communication as we have limited resources and other emails from last week still awaiting an initial reply.
I guess they dont want to talk anymore about it.
Any thoughts?

Given all this, I wonder if we'll see Veritas V6.3 closeout pricing once the 6.2s are gone?
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post #40746 of 47737
8/16/12 at 10:40pm
vanns only have 1 verita 6.3 rosenut speaker in stock ,there is no way you can get another v6.3 speaker at vanns, The one in the site is their last one.


If you try to add 2 speakers in the cart it will only show 1 available.





weird I decide to check in amazon the availability and it said only 2 rosenut v6.3 available, But at the vanns website said just 1 ,Another speakers that show only one left at vanns is the RC-LCR, But its showing 7 in stock at amazon, I place then in the cart and was able to place then without any problem.
Edited by losservatore - 8/16/12 at 11:51pm
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post #40747 of 47737
8/16/12 at 11:06pm
Another great setup is the V‑5‑2‑C‑HTS.





When I compare my energy v5.1 bookshelf speaker with the v5.2 center, The v5.2 center speaker have way better clarity in vocals than the v5.1 bookshefl ,So I went to the conclusion that the v5.2 center speaker will also do a better job in vocal than the v6.2 towers.The v5.2 center in sound is like a small version of the 3-way v6.3 tower.
Edited by losservatore - 8/17/12 at 12:36am
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post #40748 of 47737
8/16/12 at 11:35pm
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

They only have 1 verita 6.3 rosenut speaker in stock ,there is no way you can get another v6.3 speaker at vanns, The one in the site is their last one.
If you try to add 2 speakers in the cart it will only show 1 available.

Wow. You are right. Looks like we might be near the end of the Veritas tower availability. frown.gif
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post #40749 of 47737
8/17/12 at 6:48am
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Originally Posted by Lastyear4gt View Post

The 818, is quite an amazing machine. There is nothing else in this price range that will compare with the specs and features of this receiver. Trust me I looked at EVERYTHING!!!

I already added it to my price watch list at bestbuy.ca wink.gif However I haven't seen the incredible introductory prices that you got in the US up here in Canada, and I'd hesitate to buy an AVR in the US and bring it back here without any warranty.

At this point I'm not sure if I wish for my Pio to die soon or not tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

When I bought my rc-70s, I receive a dented one ,I returned back ,But then they send me one double boxed.All the small packages from then, Like the rc-10s, veritas v5.1, veritas v5.2 , veritas vs surround.... Came double boxed.

Well I got my RC-LCR and RC-10s in the original boxes, and my heart skipped a beat when I saw how badly damaged they were. Not just dents: tears and smashes as well. There was a smash along one long edge where the LCR is not protected by foam. I guess it was *this* close to being damaged, which would have been a PITA since I was getting the packages at a Kinek point. But I was lucky and the three speakers were fine. My point is, with Vann's it seems that your mileage may vary with respect to packaging, and considering the astounding number of damaged towers, I would never order one through Vann's, especially not now that they're in bankruptcy with low or no replacement stock.
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post #40750 of 47737
8/17/12 at 7:03am
BTW anybody find it curious that since a week or two, FutureShop has the CB-20s at "Final Clearance" prices ($200/pr)? It's the only Connoisseur speaker in "final clearance", bizarrely.
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post #40751 of 47737
8/17/12 at 9:19am
Does anyone know how long the Vanns bankruptcy restructuring will take?

Does it have any effect on warranty if the products were purchased before bankruptcy?

Will the products purchased during bankruptcy have warranty once they get their authorized dealer status back?

Thanks!
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post #40752 of 47737
8/17/12 at 9:44am
Just wondering out loud... with all that's been going on with Vann's... which, BTW, is a shame... I'm wondering who will get the authorization to sell RC-70's or, for that matter, the RC line, if they continue to be made.
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post #40753 of 47737
8/17/12 at 10:13am
Exactly. I'm glad I did the move and bought the RC-10s and RC-LCR through Kinek last winter. Not sure if any of these will be available for long now -- which is admittedly a shame.
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post #40754 of 47737
8/17/12 at 10:28am
I'm still pondering buying speakers for my kitchen & dining room area. I'm sure half of you are fed up with me hesitating, so I'm addressing the other half of the crowd rolleyes.gif

First, I decided I won't buy any crappy speaker just because it's a kitchen area. The goal is to be able to enjoy ambient music both when preparing meals and when entertaining guests. So crappy computer speakers are out of the question.

Second, I would like to keep my budget as low as possible -- I'm aiming for $200 but am open to a bit more for a pair. Nothing interesting seems to be on sale used locally.

Third, no, I'm not going to fetch a pair of RC-10s down the border again.

Fourth, I want to either wall-mount them or put them on dedicated shelves. I'm rather worried about size; big black speakers in the dining area *will* be noticed.

I'm not 100% decided to do it as it will involve tedious work with wires in the attic and such, so anything that reduces the complexity of the work is welcome.

The contenders so far are:
  • CB-20s. They're $200 again at FutureShop, and I owned them before so I know what I'll get. However they're rather large and conspicuous (especially with the grill off). Mounting is possible but I'd have to buy expensive mounts (Omnimounts at $80), so I may just use a cheap shelf. However the shelf prevents angling down the speaker, so I fear that sound won't be as good.
  • V-Minis. They're $300 a pair at FutureShop, quite a bit more expensive than I was prepared. However they're much smaller and would fit better in the decor. They come with a wall-mounting bracket... is it only a keyhole-type bracket? Or is it something more involved, e.g. that can be angled down as well? They would need a sub but the plan is to use these as a Zone-2 set playing the same content as Zone 1, which is just behind a door that can be left open -- the sub there should do the job most of the time.
  • SVS SBS-02. They're liquidating them at very interesting prices -- with taxes and shipping they would be cheaper than the CB-20s. I objected before because of the low sensitivity, but it turns out that Energy rates the sensitivity of their speakers *as a pair* in a *typical room*, whereas SVS rates them alone in an anechoic setting. They come with a keyhole-type bracket -- nice but I won't be able to angle them down. Not sure if this is critical. They're also almost as big as the CB-20s (I didn't thought so at first). They have a very nice-looking metal grille. They're also sealed, although the rated frequency response is about the same as the CB-20s. If I want some I must act fast as I think SVS's distributor in Canada only have a few pairs left. I don't know at all how they sound vs the Energy stuff I have listened to before, but they're rather well reviewed in the limited number of reviews I could find.

Any other suggestion or comment?

EDIT: To help with wiring I thought about getting a wireless speaker kit. But I only found the Rocketfish kits from FS and BB. They're kind of expensive considering what they do, they have to be plugged in anyway, and they use the 2.4 GHz band (same as my router and phone) so I'm wary of that. Anybody used something like that before? I see that the biggest kit ($200) includes a volume control, a remote, and 2 sources, which is kind of nice, but would blow my total budget.
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post #40755 of 47737
8/17/12 at 11:47am
Initially I was going to recommend the VS surrounds for a clean install and great sound quality, however I looked at FS pricing.....wow! We are lucky to have vanns! (for the moment anyway rolleyes.gif)

The cb-20 and the SBS-02 seem to be very similar speakers, however you are right that the sensitivity on the SBS-02 is really low. The specs from energy about the CB-20 are not very specific regarding how the measure the sensitivity and frequency response.

If I recall correctly though, energy used to give the sensitivity as 1 speaker vs. 2 speakers in a typical room and I think they were only a 2 or 3 db difference between the two. So it appears that the SBS-02's are no where near as efficient.

Personally from your list and looking at the FS website, i would probably go for the CB-20's.
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post #40756 of 47737
8/17/12 at 1:13pm
Thanks for your quick reply.
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Originally Posted by kgallerie View Post

Initially I was going to recommend the VS surrounds for a clean install and great sound quality, however I looked at FS pricing.....wow! We are lucky to have vanns! (for the moment anyway rolleyes.gif)

Nope, not an option smile.gif And if I had V-Ses, I would probably try them in my living room first!
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The cb-20 and the SBS-02 seem to be very similar speakers, however you are right that the sensitivity on the SBS-02 is really low. The specs from energy about the CB-20 are not very specific regarding how the measure the sensitivity and frequency response.
If I recall correctly though, energy used to give the sensitivity as 1 speaker vs. 2 speakers in a typical room and I think they were only a 2 or 3 db difference between the two. So it appears that the SBS-02's are no where near as efficient.

I'm pretty sure you're right about the SBS-02 being much less efficient than the CB-20s, but I think Energy boosts their numbers quite a bit by being vague ("typical room") and using a pair. If the pair was co-located wouldn't that add 6dB right away? Or maybe only 3dB; I can never remember those relations. And half-space would add 3dB to that no? A "typical room" is probably better at boosting SPL than half-space. Anyway I figured that I would use Zone 2 on my AVR which would give me independent volume control.
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Personally from your list and looking at the FS website, i would probably go for the CB-20's.

It sure would be a safe bet. If you have anything else in mind I can try to find them. I admit I'm pretty curious about the SVS though; but they're way bigger than I thought so I'm not even sure about wall-mounting them.

I could go the in-ceiling path also but I don't know jack about the available speakers here -- no Energy up here. Also even though everyone says they're easy to install, I'm pretty sure I'd make a mess out of it.
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post #40757 of 47737
8/17/12 at 2:16pm
Hey guys, just graduated and about to move out of my apartment and into a new house. The living room in the new house is 17'x20' with 10' ceilings. Currently this is my setup:

- Energy C-500's
- Energy CC-100
- Energy C-100's
- PA 120 sub
- Yamaha 663

We watch movies quite a bit, but also listen to music quite often too. I hate the old "out of 100%, what percentage is movies and what is music?" because I believe it should reproduce each accurately. Music is my main concern though because if it can do music well, I'm sure it can do movies well. Currently I stream all my music from an optical from my built PC to the 663 in lossless format. At some point I'll pick up a DAC and possibly an external amp for the fronts, but that will likely be last and only if I really feel bored lol. Not quite sure of the budget, but I'd say around $700-1,200 for the front is reasonable. Been looking at:


KEF Q (900, 700, 500, 300)
B&W CM8 & respective monitors
Energy RC-70's (should these even be in the same field? ...kinda my point of posting here....and the fact that I'll be selling my setup soon and wanting to know if anyone knows a good starting price for the speakers/sub)
...and a few others.


Just getting back into the swing of things in Home Audio. Been in car audio for awhile and the car sounds absolutely incredible now!! Anyways, I'll ask for purposes of seeing replies on the topic of "bookshelves/sub or floorstanders/with sub most likely?"?? It's a large area to fill, but the main point is MORE CONE AREA = LESS DISTORTION with all else being equal (and it usually is within the same speaker line). Anywho, anyone have any suggestions of other manuf. to look at, rough estimate for what I should be asking for the C-series stuff or anything else??

Thanks guys! smile.gif
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post #40758 of 47737
8/17/12 at 2:17pm
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

Hey guys, just graduated and about to move out of my apartment and into a new house. The living room in the new house is 17'x20' with 10' ceilings. Currently this is my setup:
- Energy C-500's
- Energy CC-100
- Energy C-100's
- PA 120 sub
- Yamaha 663
We watch movies quite a bit, but also listen to music quite often too. I hate the old "out of 100%, what percentage is movies and what is music?" because I believe it should reproduce each accurately. Music is my main concern though because if it can do music well, I'm sure it can do movies well. Currently I stream all my music from an optical from my built PC to the 663 in lossless format. At some point I'll pick up a DAC and possibly an external amp for the fronts, but that will likely be last and only if I really feel bored lol. Not quite sure of the budget, but I'd say around $700-1,200 for the front is reasonable. Been looking at:
KEF Q (900, 700, 500, 300)
B&W CM8 & respective monitors
Energy RC-70's (should these even be in the same field? ...kinda my point of posting here....and the fact that I'll be selling my setup soon and wanting to know if anyone knows a good starting price for the speakers/sub)
...and a few others.
Just getting back into the swing of things in Home Audio. Been in car audio for awhile and the car sounds absolutely incredible now!! Anyways, I'll ask for purposes of seeing replies on the topic of "bookshelves/sub or floorstanders/with sub most likely?"?? It's a large area to fill, but the main point is MORE CONE AREA = LESS DISTORTION with all else being equal (and it usually is within the same speaker line). Anywho, anyone have any suggestions of other manuf. to look at, rough estimate for what I should be asking for the C-series stuff or anything else??
Thanks guys! smile.gif

Just wanted to add that I'll be auditioning the KEF Q's, R's, etc locally soon. Still trying to find a B&W, Energy/Klipsch, etc dealer.
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post #40759 of 47737
8/17/12 at 2:35pm
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

vanns only have 1 verita 6.3 rosenut speaker in stock ,there is no way you can get another v6.3 speaker at vanns, The one in the site is their last one.
If you try to add 2 speakers in the cart it will only show 1 available.
weird I decide to check in amazon the availability and it said only 2 rosenut v6.3 available, But at the vanns website said just 1 ,Another speakers that show only one left at vanns is the RC-LCR, But its showing 7 in stock at amazon, I place then in the cart and was able to place then without any problem.

I'm pretty sure they have to keep Amazon stock separate, and they can only keep so many in stock at Amazon.
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post #40760 of 47737
8/17/12 at 3:34pm
Neutro: What about CB-10s as an option. They're slightly smaller in dimensions and a little lighter with the same sensitivity as the CB-20s.
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post #40761 of 47737
8/17/12 at 4:13pm
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Originally Posted by erhurd View Post

Neutro: What about CB-10s as an option. They're slightly smaller in dimensions and a little lighter with the same sensitivity as the CB-20s.

I would jump on them if only I could find them for less than the CB-20s! The only place I can find the CB-10 in Canada seems to be at TheSource.ca at $290

I spoke too soon -- after verification they're on sale for 250 right now. Still, given the price I'd go for the CB-20s.

The market for Energy speakers really is weird in Canada right now frown.gif
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post #40762 of 47737
8/17/12 at 5:30pm
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Nope, not an option And if I had V-Ses, I would probably try them in my living room first!
Why not both?
Depending on where you are in Quebec, I saw this ad on kijiji for 4 RC-Rs, asking $500 for the lot.
You could put a pair in the living room call it $300, and stay within budget at $200 for the kitchen.
Special accounting rules apply when it comes to speakers.

http://qc.kijiji.ca/c-acheter-et-vendre-equipement-electronique-Energy-RC-R-125-Watt-3-Way-Surround-Speaker-W0QQAdIdZ404614945
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post #40763 of 47737
8/17/12 at 6:36pm
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Originally Posted by mc^2 View Post

Why not both?
Depending on where you are in Quebec, I saw this ad on kijiji for 4 RC-Rs, asking $500 for the lot.

Holy cow! What a deal... The ad was put up 2 days ago. I sent an email to the seller as it may be the occasion of a lifetime. But he's almost on the border so it's almost as far as going to the nearest Kinek point.

However I just had a discussion with my GF and she expressed a *strong* preference for in-ceiling speakers... sigh...
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You could put a pair in the living room call it $300, and stay within budget at $200 for the kitchen.
Special accounting rules apply when it comes to speakers.

lol! I'll try to get him to ship only one pair though. If he insists on selling the two pairs as a bundle and has not sold them when I'm ready to get them I think I'll treat myself smile.gif Still, chances are that he'll sell those pretty quickly and to somebody else alas !
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post #40764 of 47737
8/17/12 at 7:11pm
He got one pair on which he changed the tweeters for $200; the other has original tweeters for $300. Is this a sign of over-use? In my mind I was imagining brand new speakers.

Also anybody knows if RC6Ws or EAS-8Cs are available somewhere in Canada? Can't find anything...
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post #40765 of 47737
8/17/12 at 9:49pm
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

I would jump on them if only I could find them for less than the CB-20s! The only place I can find the CB-10 in Canada seems to be at TheSource.ca at $290
I spoke too soon -- after verification they're on sale for 250 right now. Still, given the price I'd go for the CB-20s.
The market for Energy speakers really is weird in Canada right now frown.gif

$250 is currently a good price for the CB-10s; Amazon has them for $249 in the U.S.. CB-20s on Amazon cost $349; compare that to $369 MSRP that Best Buy sells these bookshelves for. You have had previous experience with CB-series speakers in the past; the $250 price tag for the 10s at TheSource.ca sounds like a good deal to me, Neutro!
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post #40766 of 47737
8/18/12 at 12:33am
Hi, everyone. Been lurking for awhile, finally joined up and figured I'd make my first post here. I have a cc-5 and four rc-10s with a hsu stf-1 in a small 11x11 room and it sounds great! (powered by a Yamaha rx-v671) I know the cc5 doesn't match, but honestly it sounds well matched to me. I bought it to fit in my TV stand, so I can't go any bigger. Anyway, I'd like to comment on a couple of the recent discussions.

-re the damaged rc-70s, if you look in the outlet section at Vanns, there are a disproportionate number of damaged rc-70s on there. I was wondering what was up with that for a while now. Must be a flaw in the packaging for that speaker. Btw, my rc-10s were double boxed in immaculate boxes, plus the factory packaging itself was very sturdy looking.

-this has probably been discussed before so I apologize in advance, but I can't read all 1300+ pages lol. What is the consensus on the CB-20s vs the rc-10s? The rc-10s were a no brainer at the price vs the cb-20s, but if I had seen a price like mentioned above on the cb-20s it would have been a much harder decision. It seems like the build quality is a little nicer on the rc series, and I personally like the looks better, but I do like the fact the cb-20 has a bigger woofer. Also, some people are mentioning the c series being discontinued already. Is this true, and any rumors what the replacements will be?

Glad to be on board, guys! Nice thread you have going here!
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post #40767 of 47737
8/18/12 at 10:13am
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

BTW anybody find it curious that since a week or two, FutureShop has the CB-20s at "Final Clearance" prices ($200/pr)? It's the only Connoisseur speaker in "final clearance", bizarrely.

I find it more surprising that the have the RC-70 listed as back in stock again online. To bad they want $1249 per speaker, man prices in Canada suck.
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post #40768 of 47737
8/18/12 at 12:52pm
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Originally Posted by erhurd View Post

$250 is currently a good price for the CB-10s; Amazon has them for $249 in the U.S.. CB-20s on Amazon cost $349; compare that to $369 MSRP that Best Buy sells these bookshelves for. You have had previous experience with CB-series speakers in the past; the $250 price tag for the 10s at TheSource.ca sounds like a good deal to me, Neutro!

Well $250 may be an honest price for the CB-10s taken in isolation. But when you compare to $200 for CB-20s or $220 for RC-10s from Vann's it suddenly feels like it should be cheaper. That being said I saw a pair in a local retail store and while they're indeed smaller than the CB-20s, they're not that small, so I'd go with the CB-20s for less. But as previously stated, a recent conversation with my GF means I'll try to see how to get my hands on RC-6Cs or EAS-8Cs. That may be impossible though frown.gif
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Originally Posted by MuaySteve View Post

I find it more surprising that the have the RC-70 listed as back in stock again online. To bad they want $1249 per speaker, man prices in Canada suck.

I snicker each time I see that price tag on the RC-70s in store. wink.gif

Another local store has a demo pair of RC-30s dating back from many years ago that they still haven't sold. They're asking $600 for them which I find too high a price --- but that may be skewed by the very low price paid for the RC-70s. The interesting bit for me is that I have $200 worth of credit card reward that I can spend there. If only I could get them to lower the price even more...
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

He got one pair on which he changed the tweeters for $200; the other has original tweeters for $300. Is this a sign of over-use?

So I confirmed with the seller: he busted the tweeters on one pair, which he changes for non-RC tweeters. This is highly disappointing since I'm not interested at hybrid speakers. He's selling the pair with new tweeters for $200 and the other with original tweeters for $300. I'm not sure I'm ready to buy them for $300 + shipping without listening to them first, especially since I could get a new pair of V-S for just a bit more (of both dollars and miles).
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8/18/12 at 3:59pm
The RC-70 are 2 for $1250 @ Futureshop.ca right now. 20 units in stock when I last checked.

Sure, the price was better @ Vanns.com but this isn't bad for us Canadians.
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8/18/12 at 11:54pm
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

My God, talk about a horrible week! First $600 in speeding tickets between my wife and I. Then, the panel on my 60" plasma goes bad, out of warranty. Then I dropped my smart phone and broke the screen($200) and I found out we owe $1,000 in uncovered doctor bills.

What happened next.....I don't know how to begin.

I decided to go down to the basement and listen to some music after a bad week. I put on my brand new copy of Diana Krall One Night in Paris 180G 45 RPM LP.

I'm sitting there enjoying the music, eyes closed when I hear the horrible screech of a needle sliding across the turntable come from my RC-10's.

I jump up turn the volume down and try to figure out what happened. I look on the floor and lying below my turntable is a handheld electric butane lighter. My wife had lit some candles on the patio earlier and put the lighter on the shelf above the stereo leaning at a 45 degree angle. Not sure if was the vibration from the music or if it was going to come down anyway but it fell and landed on/near my turntable. The needle was knocked back to the start of the album.

I turned the amp back up to about half the volume it had been at and hear some distortion. From what I can tell so far, the tweeter in the left RC-10 sounds damaged. I have not been able to figure out yet what else may be wrong.

For starters, does Energy stock replacement tweeters for RC-10's and is it something I can switch out or does my local repair shop need to do it?
Edited by bajaed - 8/19/12 at 12:37am
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