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post #40771 of 51515
In Kentucky not far from Energy ga in Indy. Would hope they have parts. I'm calling them first thing Monday.
post #40772 of 51515
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Originally Posted by bajaed View Post

In Kentucky not far from Energy ga in Indy. Would hope they have parts. I'm calling them first thing Monday.

They have parts. If you search this thread, you will find pictures somebody took when replacing the tweeter on a rc speaker. Iirc the person unscrewed the tweeter, then unscrewed the woofer, took out the woofer, and pushed out the tweeter from the rear. The person even took pics of the tools they used. The only thing I can't remember is the price.


Edit*** according to this http://ndgservice.ca/data/pdf/energy_1.pdf, It's $61.84. And I believe shipping is $20.
Edited by batt50 - 8/19/12 at 11:33am
post #40773 of 51515
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Originally Posted by MuaySteve View Post

I find it more surprising that the have the RC-70 listed as back in stock again online. To bad they want $1249 per speaker, man prices in Canada suck.

especially considering that when i bought mine in the spring, the sticker price was $400 ea FINAL CLEARANCE
post #40774 of 51515
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Originally Posted by grizimes View Post

Looking to upgrade my surrounds. I'm currently running with 2 RC 70's, and an LCR as my front, paired with two Outlaw subs. I've got a Yamaha RXV 671 (7.1). Currently running only a 5.1 system with some Polk monitor 30s rounding out my surrounds. Looking at Energy bc I have fallen in love with my other speakers. What would anyone recommend? vS surrounds? RC10s? What about CR 10s? Also, can the speakers that mount flush to the wall be used as rear surrounds mounted to the celing? I appreciate the input guys.

I vote for the Energy VS surrounds. They sound great and were an upgrade from my c-r100 surrounds.
post #40775 of 51515
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Originally Posted by brendelac View Post

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Originally Posted by MuaySteve View Post

I find it more surprising that the have the RC-70 listed as back in stock again online. To bad they want $1249 per speaker, man prices in Canada suck.
especially considering that when i bought mine in the spring, the sticker price was $400 ea FINAL CLEARANCE
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Originally Posted by nc88keyz View Post

I talked to Vanns, yesterday. More RC-70s are scheduled to arrive mid august time frame.
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Originally Posted by nc88keyz View Post

Vanns' Energy Dealer status???
During the bankrupcy reorganization, Vanns is temporarily not an authorized dealer, and unable to order from Energy as such at this time. This is from Ryan in chat support at Vanns.

Coincidence? If not would love it if we could see some RC-10s up here again. I never did get what FS had against the RC-10 and V5.1 but if Energy needs somewhere to dump the ones destined for Vann's, maybe we'll get a crack at them up here. Could make for a nice Boxing Day sale.
post #40776 of 51515
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

So I confirmed with the seller: he busted the tweeters on one pair, which he changes for non-RC tweeters. This is highly disappointing since I'm not interested at hybrid speakers. He's selling the pair with new tweeters for $200 and the other with original tweeters for $300. I'm not sure I'm ready to buy them for $300 + shipping without listening to them first
Ugh, too much potential for problems. I'm sorry I brought them up.
post #40777 of 51515
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

So I confirmed with the seller: he busted the tweeters on one pair, which he changes for non-RC tweeters. This is highly disappointing since I'm not interested at hybrid speakers. He's selling the pair with new tweeters for $200 and the other with original tweeters for $300. I'm not sure I'm ready to buy them for $300 + shipping without listening to them first, especially since I could get a new pair of V-S for just a bit more (of both dollars and miles).
he told me $250 for the hybrid pair and also says They were brand new and are in excellent condition. well ya, everything was brand new at some point in time.
post #40778 of 51515
Hey guys need some advice. About a month ago, I bought a pair of rc-30, an rc-lcr, and 2 rc-10 to run a 5.1 set up in my office. Room is very small , probably 12x11. I also bought an outlaw sub which shakes this room. Anyway, have been debating stands on the rc-10, but just dont think I have enough room to the sides of the couch (against back wall), to make the rc-10 work. So, I'm thinking that either cr-10 and making my surround speakers towards the corners of back wall, few feet above couch, or the vs surround speakers. Any recommendations ? Think vans would be 360 for a pair, hoping I can get a better price calling in, or on eBay, there's a dealer selling cr10 for 279. As for the rc-10 , probably moving to bedroom , as speaker b setup.
post #40779 of 51515
CR-10 vs VS surrounds? Definitely the VS Surrounds, higher quality speaker.
post #40780 of 51515
Update. Feel stupid but thankfully the speaker is not blown. I have a loose socket on my amp for one of the power tubes and as a coincidence, or because of what happened, the tube was jarred and not putting anything out so the left speaker only was getting half the power that the right one was. Thus the distortion. Because it happened exactly when the accident did, I did not initially think that was the cause.

Gently moving the tube brought it back up and the speaker sounds fine now. Sorry to bug you guys for answers.

Now I need to see if the stylus was damaged on the table.
post #40781 of 51515
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Originally Posted by grizimes View Post

Looking to upgrade my surrounds. I'm currently running with 2 RC 70's, and an LCR as my front, paired with two Outlaw subs. I've got a Yamaha RXV 671 (7.1). Currently running only a 5.1 system with some Polk monitor 30s rounding out my surrounds. Looking at Energy bc I have fallen in love with my other speakers. What would anyone recommend? vS surrounds? RC10s? What about CR 10s? Also, can the speakers that mount flush to the wall be used as rear surrounds mounted to the celing? I appreciate the input guys.
I am guessing VS would be the best choice for surrounds, generally speaking. however, only YOU can decide what sounds best to you. I don't think the VS could be mounted to the ceiling at all (I have them). You would need to hang a bracket from the ceiling and then mount them to that, but even then, it would opposite of ideal. $180 ea is a great price for these.
post #40782 of 51515
So I'm tempted to pull the trigger on a pair of RC70s from Vanns today. They have a couple dented box ones

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/542145304

Should i get the one for $280? It says only a corner of the base is cracked. I can live with that for the massive discount. I'd also pick up one of the ones for $388.

Been hearing a lot of bad stuff with regard to these speakers from Vanns. Makes me nervous. Should I pull the trigger?
post #40783 of 51515
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Originally Posted by mc^2 View Post

Coincidence? If not would love it if we could see some RC-10s up here again. I never did get what FS had against the RC-10 and V5.1 but if Energy needs somewhere to dump the ones destined for Vann's, maybe we'll get a crack at them up here. Could make for a nice Boxing Day sale.

That would be awesome to have RC-10s at FS. I'd buy a pair... probably just for backup lol. Well we'll see but I'd be surprised.

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Originally Posted by mc^2 View Post

Ugh, too much potential for problems. I'm sorry I brought them up.

Don't be sorry! The guy is actually fun to talk to, he's a big DIY enthusiast. It's just that considering he's blown the tweeters on one pair, I don't feel like taking chances on the other at that price. I could also get the "hybrids" and revert the tweeters to original RCs. Since the RC-Rs are very hard to find nowadays I feel really tempted to get at least a pair, just for the exclusivity factor. But then again they would be awkward in my living room (can't wall-mount them easily and they'd be much wider than the RC-10s). What I really need now is Energy in-ceiling speakers, not surrounds.
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Originally Posted by brendelac View Post

he told me $250 for the hybrid pair and also says They were brand new and are in excellent condition. well ya, everything was brand new at some point in time.

Weird! Well he can change his mind on pricing if he wants, but I don't think they're brand new if he had the time to blow the tweeters. They're indeed in good condition as far as I can tell from the pics he sent me -- although the new tweeters look weird. Still the original pair for $300 + shipping sounds kind of risky without hearing them first, and we're extra-busy these weeks so I'm not sure when I can make the trip there.
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Originally Posted by justice8965 View Post

So I'm tempted to pull the trigger on a pair of RC70s from Vanns today. They have a couple dented box ones
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/542145304
Should i get the one for $280? It says only a corner of the base is cracked. I can live with that for the massive discount. I'd also pick up one of the ones for $388.
Been hearing a lot of bad stuff with regard to these speakers from Vanns. Makes me nervous. Should I pull the trigger?

Well the base is easily replaced so I guess the price is quite good. The problem with Vann's is that they often ship the RC-70s in their original packaging only, which is too flimsy to withstand being shipped by UPS, hence the very large number of damaged speakers. If you're not afraid of this I'd ask for either a picture of the damage and/or a precise description, so that if the speakers has other damage you can use that to get a discount or refund. Also it's not clear if you'll get any warranty or which recourse you'll have if it turns ugly now that Vann's is in bankruptcy. So there's a risk but the price is good.
post #40784 of 51515
Hey Guys -

I am in the market for rear surrounds. I am trying to decide if I should go VS surrounds or v5.1. My couch is against the rear wall so the speakers will have to be inline with my couch.

I currently how a single rosewood V5.1 that I am planning on using for the rear. I bought the only one they had. The second will come from the Vanns repair center once they are able to replace a blown tweeter in a customer return. Currently they cannot get parts from Energy, and I am waiting for the Chapter 11 to get cleared out.

Should I hold out my hopes on the Chapter 11 to get the 5.1, or should I just go with the in stock vs surrounds? Which speaker would work better?


The rest of my system consists of :

Rosewood V6.2 fronts
Rosewood V5.2c Center
No sub yet.

I always appreciate all advice given. Thanks!
post #40785 of 51515
do you mean rear surrounds or side surrounds?
post #40786 of 51515
Rear Surrounds. This is for a 5.1 system.
post #40787 of 51515
Incorrect smile.gif

In a 5.1 system you have SIDE surrounds. The rears are only added in a 7.1 system.



http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/speaker-setup-guidelines/home-theater-speaker-layout-an-essential-guide


just because your couch is against the back wall and you have to stick them behind you doesn't make them "rear surrounds". In this application however (couch against the back wall) I would definitely recommend the bipole/dipole speaker design, the V-S will allow you to mount flush on the wall (hopefully a bit above ear level and spread out to either side of the couch) and "spread" the sound out more, taking advantage of reflections off the walls/ceiling.
post #40788 of 51515
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Incorrect smile.gif
In a 5.1 system you have SIDE surrounds.
Incorrect smile.gif. Placement of 5.1 surrounds is optional, to the rear or to the side is acceptable.
post #40789 of 51515
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Incorrect smile.gif
In a 5.1 system you have SIDE surrounds. The rears are only added in a 7.1 system.

http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/speaker-setup-guidelines/home-theater-speaker-layout-an-essential-guide
just because your couch is against the back wall and you have to stick them behind you doesn't make them "rear surrounds". In this application however (couch against the back wall) I would definitely recommend the bipole/dipole speaker design, the V-S will allow you to mount flush on the wall (hopefully a bit above ear level and spread out to either side of the couch) and "spread" the sound out more, taking advantage of reflections off the walls/ceiling.

I am an audio newbie, I have little idea on the proper terms. Your answer is just what I was looking for, thank you. I will look into getting the VS speakers. Its a shame to return this beautiful rosewood speaker. I am also a bit nervous on Vanns ability to fulfill their promise to get replacement parts form energy.
post #40790 of 51515
Hello all-

Quick question. Is $325 a decent price for RC-30's in great condition.
post #40791 of 51515
@Bill - If you want to get technical there is no such thing as "side" or "rear" surrounds, the primary surrounds encoded in a 5.1 source are simply termed "Surround Left/Right" (Rs/Ls) and then there are recommended placement guidelines with some flexibility. The terms "rear" or "side" are not in the definition.

My point wasn't to be pedantic about nomenclature but to dispel the common misconception that the primary surrounds in a 5.1 setup are SUPPOSED to be "rears". Many (most?) people place their surrounds behind them because of a combination of lack of awareness and room constraints, and I was trying to combat this misconception.

If you look at the placement guidelines (e.g. Dolby, ITU standards) none will recommend placement of surrounds to the rear. It's always directly to the side of or slightly behind the seating position, but always to the side.

Dolby recommends the 90-110 degrees I posted above in the graphic, and specifically notes that they should be to the side: http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/setup/connection-guide/home-theater-speaker-guide/index.html

ITU specifically recommends a 100-120 degree spread: http://www.itu.int/rec/R-REC-BS.775-2-200607-I/en
post #40792 of 51515
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Originally Posted by Darrin_R View Post

Hello all-
Quick question. Is $325 a decent price for RC-30's in great condition.

Just to give you an idea where that falls......I bought my pair of 30's for $400 brand new. I believe the 50's were selling brand new for $300 each at one point, and the 70's for $399 each at one point.

But the RC-30's arent available anymore, and if you have a good sub they provide for a great setup.

If they are truly in great condition I would think that $325 is a good price. If you are buying at this price, I would push for $300. If you are selling them, I would list them for $350.
post #40793 of 51515
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Originally Posted by Darrin_R View Post

Hello all-

Quick question. Is $325 a decent price for RC-30's in great condition.

yes, that's a fair price.
post #40794 of 51515
I'd say $325 for a pair of RC-30s is fair too considering they're not manufactured anymore and were neveroffered at crazy discount prices such as the RC-10s, RC-LCR and RC-70s. I paid my RC-10s new for $300; a local store (albeit in Canada) is trying to sell their last remaining demo pair of RC-30s here for $600.
post #40795 of 51515
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Originally Posted by kgallerie View Post

Just to give you an idea where that falls......I bought my pair of 30's for $400 brand new. I believe the 50's were selling brand new for $300 each at one point, and the 70's for $399 each at one point.
But the RC-30's arent available anymore, and if you have a good sub they provide for a great setup.
If they are truly in great condition I would think that $325 is a good price. If you are buying at this price, I would push for $300. If you are selling them, I would list them for $350.

Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I am selling the 30's and was wondering what I should ask for them.
post #40796 of 51515
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Originally Posted by Darrin_R View Post

Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I am selling the 30's and was wondering what I should ask for them.

Well I'd say you are competing against the Veritas 6.2 which are selling for $600 a pair. And when you consider closing prices on the Rc-30's (I paid $500 for mine in Canada)

I wouldn't want to sell mine for less than $400.

Good luck.
post #40797 of 51515
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Originally Posted by Darrin_R View Post

Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I am selling the 30's and was wondering what I should ask for them.

Yeah.....I would say between $350-$400 is quite fair to ask. Start at $400 and you can negotiate from there.
post #40798 of 51515
BatPig -


From your link:
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Although SACD or DVD-Audio recordings are mixed using direct-radiating speakers all around, Axiom's double-blind tests have shown that Quadpolar QS8 surrounds deliver a more generous listening area at different locations in the room. If you are in the "sweet spot," our double-blind tests also showed that listeners weren't able to discern any significant differences in multi-polar or direct-radiating surrounds with SACD or DVD Audio.

From my understanding here, the dipole speakers will allow a larger area of good sound. However, if you are in the good sound area, you cant tell the difference between direct and dipole(I'm guessing v5.1 & vs surround). Do you concur?
post #40799 of 51515
I'm thinking about upgrading a Take 5 system to CB-5s bookshelfs for my second system and so I was wondering if it would be worth it. The take 5 is really good for a small htib set but I'm thinking a cb-5 set would have enough bass to use alone. Then I might get a pair of cr-10s for surrounds but ask energy if they can be mounted sideways. Is it worth it? The CB-10s are a little big for a smaller room.
post #40800 of 51515
CB-10s really aren't that big, only about 11" tall. I would think it's still better to have a sub with either the cb-5 or 10. I'm sure you have one with your Takes.

either cb-5 or cb-10 would be an upgrade over the take speakers.
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