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post #41821 of 51494
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Originally Posted by pedrothelion View Post

So will the RC LCR never again be available at retail stores or is that up in the air? I looked through the last few pages and didn't see anything definitive.

As Caper said, not sure anybody knows, including at Energy / Klipsch / Audiovox. The RC line's production was once stopped but restarted as an exclusive for Vann's. With Vann's out of business, I guess some of the stock found its way in strange places (e.g. Meijer's). But I wouldn't bet on the RC being produced again. Maybe they will find another online retailer to carry it, maybe they'll decide to move on and focus on the Veritas, Connoisseur and Power products.
post #41822 of 51494
has anyone been able to directly compare RC-Rs and VS surrounds? is the difference equivalent to that of the RC70 and V6.3?
post #41823 of 51494
I recently upgraded my Take 5s to Energy Connoisseurs. RC-70 Fronts, RC-10 surrounds and RC-LCR center. I have two questions:
1. What subwoofer is a good match for my Energy Connoisseurs?
2. How would it sound (good tonal match) if I used a pair of my Take 5s as rear speakers for 7.1?

thanks
post #41824 of 51494
Tonal match is not as important for rears, so I would think they would do just fine.

As for the sub, it's not important for them to match the speakers, since the sub operates by itself in the lower frequencies. It is much more important that the sub match the room and what you want to do with it. The only thing to consider about the speakers is that the sub overlap the lower end of the speakers' frequency range with the higher end of its frequency range.

Given the speakers you have, I'd get the best sub for your price range that covers up to (and above) 80Hz so you can cross them over at that frequency.

So for that, you would consider what you want to spend, the size of your room and the type of use (movies, music, gaming) that you want to put this to. Then pick the best sub without regard to matching the speaker brand.
post #41825 of 51494
Thank you very much Hernanu. I was also wondering if any specific brand of receiver is a good match for my Connoisseurs? Im currently using a Sony STR-DG820 and my Sub is a Sony SA-WM40. Which would be a bigger improvement a new sub or a new receiver.
My listening is 90% movies 10% music.

thanks again
post #41826 of 51494
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Originally Posted by Jeremy Wadian View Post

Thank you very much Hernanu. I was also wondering if any specific brand of receiver is a good match for my Connoisseurs? Im currently using a Sony STR-DG820 and my Sub is a Sony SA-WM40. Which would be a bigger improvement a new sub or a new receiver.
My listening is 90% movies 10% music.

thanks again

Upgrade your sub first!
post #41827 of 51494
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Originally Posted by Jeremy Wadian View Post

1. What subwoofer is a good match for my Energy Connoisseurs?
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

As for the sub, it's not important for them to match the speakers, since the sub operates by itself in the lower frequencies. It is much more important that the sub match the room and what you want to do with it. The only thing to consider about the speakers is that the sub overlap the lower end of the speakers' frequency range with the higher end of its frequency range.
Given the speakers you have, I'd get the best sub for your price range that covers up to (and above) 80Hz so you can cross them over at that frequency.
So for that, you would consider what you want to spend, the size of your room and the type of use (movies, music, gaming) that you want to put this to. Then pick the best sub without regard to matching the speaker brand.

+1 On what Hernanu said. I'd add that some subwoofers are of little usefulness with towers such as the RC-70s, which already have a respectable bass response. They are rated to 34 Hz -- which is admittedly optimistic -- while for example my first sub, the Energy ESW-C8, an 8", 60W sub, was rated down to 36 Hz -- actually also optimistic. So, not a very good match it the RC-70s can do bass better than the sub.

The problem with subs is that sky is the limit. You really have to state a budget, goal and room size in order to get good advice. At the couple of hundred bucks price point, people often cite the Energy S10.3 and BIC F12 as good choices. But the best bang for the buck comes when looking at internet direct manufacturers, which make incredibly good subs for half or less what comparable retail sub would cost. The only problem is that they start in the $500-600 range and are typically rather big. But as stated, they really are worth it, pumping an impressive amount of SPL at 20 Hz and below while keeping very clean dynamics, and also completely relieving your amp and mains of the hard job.
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Originally Posted by Jeremy Wadian View Post

Thank you very much Hernanu. I was also wondering if any specific brand of receiver is a good match for my Connoisseurs? Im currently using a Sony STR-DG820 and my Sub is a Sony SA-WM40. Which would be a bigger improvement a new sub or a new receiver.
My listening is 90% movies 10% music.

I don't know much about your AVR and sub so I hesitate a bit. But considering your AVR already has 7.1 output it should be relatively modern. I for one would spend the money in a sub upgrade first, but since I kind of went bunkers with my taste for bass in the last year I may not be the fairest adviser on the topic rolleyes.gif But if you do use your system mainly for movies, I think you're missing a bit if you upgraded all your speakers but not your sub.

Just for comparison purposes: my current sub (which I'm currently in the process of upgrading for much bigger offerings) is the SVS SB12-NSD. It's the smallest sub from SVS, a cute, compact sealed design starting at $650. It has a 12" driver as your Sony sub, but much sturdier, with a 400W RMS amp. This sub just introduced me to a new world... biggrin.gif
post #41828 of 51494
deano and neutro are right. Your receiver is fine, it does the basic functions (4 HDMI ports, handles lossless codecs, etc.). I have its predecessor, the STR-DG800 and it works just fine in my daughter's room. At 110 Watts per channel, its amplification is good.

The sony sub ( at 120 watts, etc) , while pretty good for its time will be outclassed by some of the internet direct subs available.

Just figure on the budget, room size. You might check in on the subs forum, although their idea of adequate may fill in half of your room eek.gif
Edited by hernanu - 10/31/12 at 7:24pm
post #41829 of 51494
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Originally Posted by Jeremy Wadian View Post

I recently upgraded my Take 5s to Energy Connoisseurs. RC-70 Fronts, RC-10 surrounds and RC-LCR center. I have two questions:
1. What subwoofer is a good match for my Energy Connoisseurs?

I believe that the 12" subs from HSU, Outlaw Audio, and SVS are a good match in terms of class. There are certainly cheaper subs that can fill a room with bass, but the 12" subs from those Internet direct vendors are, in my mind, equivalent SQ and overall performance values that will give you that same enjoyment that first listening to your RC-70s did.

That being said, sub performance is tied to room size. Depending on the size of your room you might need "more" sub than you think you do in terms of overall volume output. What is the size of your room in cubic feet? Is it part of an open area floor plan?
post #41830 of 51494
Last week when a few of us on here were discussing my first ill-fated outing in auditioning some veritas 2.2i's (speakers seemed tampered with & had some issues), someone on here asked the important question, "How big is your listening room?"
My room dimensions are 12 ft across x 23 ft deep, and I sit about 14 ft back from the front of the room.
This weekend I'm going to audition another pair of 2.2i's.
However, given the size of my room...would they be able to fill the space adequately? I know it's a pretty long room, and I wouldn't want to splurge on them if they couldn't fill the space adequately.
In that main listening room, they'd be driven by my Denon 4311.

The other potential option, is I could maybe put them in my back office / theater room...which is a much more modestly-sized 10ft x 12ft space. I sit 6.5 - 7 ft away from the front in that room though, so I don't know if that'd be enough room to let the veritas' open up, if I were to put them in there?
In that room, I have my [older], but fairly capable Onkyo tx-ds797 -- it just lacks any 'extra' features like the XT32 room calibration.

Thoughts? smile.gif
post #41831 of 51494
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Originally Posted by Fears4Ears View Post

Energy Take Classic 5.0 on Woot.com for $149.99
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Originally Posted by mphfrom77 View Post

That $150 price is hard to beat.
I've been eyeing the Take 5s for some time now. Due to my current set up (wall of windows to the left, fireplace to the right) I can only fit satellites and probably just an 8" sub. Would you recommend the 5.0 ($149 @ newegg) paired with a MartinLogan Dynamo 300 (on sale $109 @ newegg) over the packaged 5.1 ($399)? General HT, mixed use of TV, Movies, and Music.

Looking to pair with a Denon AVR-1712/13. Only inputs are a PS3 and cable box.

here's a crappy cell phone pic of when I first got my new TV - Sam 51E530. Replacing the 5+ yr old Sam HTiB pictured. The stand was purchased for a 46" - to help provide scale.

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Edited by UGAd13 - 11/1/12 at 1:18pm
post #41832 of 51494
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Originally Posted by erhurd View Post

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Excellent link, Sound Engineer; thanks for sharing!
BTW: Welcome to AVS Forum...

Hey, no problem. Leave it to me to get the Dolby specs for everyone. biggrin.gif

Thanks for the warm welcome.

My Energy RC10s arrived yesterday. They exceeded my expectations.
post #41833 of 51494
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Originally Posted by UGAd13 View Post

I've been eyeing the Take 5s for some time now. Due to my current set up (wall of windows to the left, fireplace to the right) I can only fit satellites and probably just an 8" sub. Would you recommend the 5.0 ($149 @ newegg) paired with a MartinLogan Dynamo 300 (on sale $109 @ newegg) over the packaged 5.1 ($399)? General HT, mixed use of TV, Movies, and Music.
Looking to pair with a Denon AVR-1712/13. Only inputs are a PS3 and cable box.
here's a crappy cell phone pic of when I first got my new TV - Sam 51E530. Replacing the 5+ yr old Sam HTiB pictured. The stand was purchased for a 46" - to help provide scale.
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If you can find a AVR-1712, that would be the ticket. It has better specs and features than the AVR-1713. I just did a bunch of research on those and wound up with a avr-2112. Beware of the refurb ones. I have read reports of a lot of D.O.A.s . It you are responsible for shipping the doa back, it may cost you a bit more than anticipated and you will be majorly disappointed.
post #41834 of 51494
I have new (purchased them 4 days ago) Energy 5.1 Take Classics. I love them, I am running them off a new Denon AVR-1312 receiver. I'm in a dorm room so they're my computer speakers smile.gif
post #41835 of 51494
Nice. I'll bring the popcorn, you supply the movie!

post #41836 of 51494
@ Sound Engineer -- in what sense does the 1712 have better features than the 1713? I really don't think it's that clear cut.

The 1712 came out as a lower-badged version of the 1912 model, so it is a little bigger and heavier and has a bit more rated power (90w/ch instead of 80w/ch). Plus it has the advantage of being a 7ch receiver (vs. 5ch on the 1713), and it has more analog connectivity (the 1713 drops component video, s-video and a few analog audio inputs).

However, the 1713 has several major connectivity advantages -- notably the addition of a front HDMI input, a front USB input, and, most importantly, network features. This means you can use built-in streaming services like internet radio and Pandora, stream from iDevices using AirPlay, and also control your receiver from a web browser or from a smartphone/tablet. Having used the newer models, I can say from experience that this is a major usability improvement. The 1713 also has IMHO an improved GUI system.

So to me it's really a question of whether having 7 channels and a little more analog connectivity is more important than the network features and front HDMI/USB inputs. Both have MultEQ XT so sound quality should be largely the same. But I think in terms of "features" the edge is clearly going to the 1713 because of the network stuff.
post #41837 of 51494
It was the additional zones and from what I read, all suggestions that had been made in the past (based on what I read on this and other forums) the consensus was to go to the 1712... Crap, now that I think about it, perhaps I am confusing the 1912 and 13. Sorry if I posted misinformation.
post #41838 of 51494
also, to be clear, the 1712 and the 1713 both have Zone 2 capability. The difference is that the 1712 -- being a 7ch receiver -- can power Zone 2 only by reassigning the Surr.Back amps to Zone 2 function. The 1713 -- having only 5 channels -- has a pair of RCA Zone 2 pre-outs that can feed Zone 2 via an external amp.

the higher level CI models (211x and up) can do it either way.
post #41839 of 51494
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Originally Posted by Sound Engineer View Post

Hey, no problem. Leave it to me to get the Dolby specs for everyone. biggrin.gif
Thanks for the warm welcome.
My Energy RC10s arrived yesterday. They exceeded my expectations.
My RC-10's arrived Tuesday. Amazing speakers for $200. Very musical, and detailed.
Vary impressive.
post #41840 of 51494
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Originally Posted by johnb4467 View Post

Last week when a few of us on here were discussing my first ill-fated outing in auditioning some veritas 2.2i's (speakers seemed tampered with & had some issues), someone on here asked the important question, "How big is your listening room?"
My room dimensions are 12 ft across x 23 ft deep, and I sit about 14 ft back from the front of the room.
This weekend I'm going to audition another pair of 2.2i's.
However, given the size of my room...would they be able to fill the space adequately? I know it's a pretty long room, and I wouldn't want to splurge on them if they couldn't fill the space adequately.
In that main listening room, they'd be driven by my Denon 4311.
The other potential option, is I could maybe put them in my back office / theater room...which is a much more modestly-sized 10ft x 12ft space. I sit 6.5 - 7 ft away from the front in that room though, so I don't know if that'd be enough room to let the veritas' open up, if I were to put them in there?
In that room, I have my [older], but fairly capable Onkyo tx-ds797 -- it just lacks any 'extra' features like the XT32 room calibration.
Thoughts? smile.gif

Anyone who might be able to chime in on this one? Will be heading out to check them out on Saturday if they will likely fit either scenario well.
post #41841 of 51494
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Originally Posted by johnb4467 View Post

Anyone who might be able to chime in on this one? Will be heading out to check them out on Saturday if they will likely fit either scenario well.

You are way overthinking this.... the only issue that was brought up that I recall was that if you were going to invest in the big Veritas towers, please do not shove them in the corners of a really small room. They work best if they have some "breathing room" so to speak. Your room sounds like it is good sized anyway, so that really shouldn't have been an issue. The 2.2i's on the other hand, will also be just fine. They are capable of handling tremendous amplifier power and will work great! I guarantee they will not be overwhelmed by your room:)
post #41842 of 51494
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Originally Posted by johnb4467 View Post

Anyone who might be able to chime in on this one? Will be heading out to check them out on Saturday if they will likely fit either scenario well.

I agree with deano86. You shouldn't have anything to worry about.
post #41843 of 51494
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Originally Posted by deano86 View Post

You are way overthinking this.... the only issue that was brought up that I recall was that if you were going to invest in the big Veritas towers, please do not shove them in the corners of a really small room. They work best if they have some "breathing room" so to speak. Your room sounds like it is good sized anyway, so that really shouldn't have been an issue. The 2.2i's on the other hand, will also be just fine. They are capable of handling tremendous amplifier power and will work great! I guarantee they will not be overwhelmed by your room:)

thank you -- that's all I needed to hear. wink.gif
post #41844 of 51494
I've been looking to get a better receiver for my PC setup, and last night bought a Denon AVR-391 in perfect condition with manual and remote for $35! It's fantastic, much better than my 8 year-old Yamaha. Now I can hook up my HDMI material to it. The wife was upset at first that I wanted to spend more money on a receiver, but then once she heard it she was like "okay, this is awesome". I must say I really like the Denon sound. I've only had Pioneer and Yamaha receivers so far.

So what's new at this place? It's been ages since I've been on.
post #41845 of 51494
Well, Vanns is basically out of business. And no one else is selling Energy speakers. So the ride may be over.
post #41846 of 51494
I thought you were pulling my leg about Vanns so I looked it up! Yikes. frown.gif
post #41847 of 51494
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Originally Posted by Macstatic View Post

I've been looking to get a better receiver for my PC setup, and last night bought a Denon AVR-391 in perfect condition with manual and remote for $35! It's fantastic, much better than my 8 year-old Yamaha. Now I can hook up my HDMI material to it. The wife was upset at first that I wanted to spend more money on a receiver, but then once she heard it she was like "okay, this is awesome". I must say I really like the Denon sound. I've only had Pioneer and Yamaha receivers so far.
So what's new at this place? It's been ages since I've been on.

$35, what a steal!!!
post #41848 of 51494
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Originally Posted by Macstatic View Post

I thought you were pulling my leg about Vanns so I looked it up! Yikes. frown.gif

Sad, isn't it? frown.gif

And not just for Energy speakers. Vanns often had good deals on some other makes/models. Really was a great place to buy online frown.gif
post #41849 of 51494
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Originally Posted by brendelac View Post

has anyone been able to directly compare RC-Rs and VS surrounds? is the difference equivalent to that of the RC70 and V6.3?

I directly compared the RC-Rs with VSes a couple months ago and there is definitely a difference. I preferred the veritas sound as that is what my entire setup is made of, so I sold the RC-Rs. I recommend the RC-Rs if you have RC setup and VSes if you have a veritas setup (makes sense, right)? I would say the differences between the RC surrounds (RC-R) and the veritas surrounds (VS) are the same as that of the other channel speakers (ie RC70 and V6.3).

I have been MIA for quite some time on this thread. As soon as i got my setup the way i wanted it i ended up cracking the screen of my 1-yr -old 64" samsung plasma TV (PN64D8000). Needless to say, i havent been a happy camper and have been waiting for some good deals on a replacement.

I am currently sitting downstairs enjoying some 2-ch music w/ my v2.4i's and staring at a big empty wall where the plasma used to be....RIP TV
post #41850 of 51494
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

$35, what a steal!!!

I know! I saw the guy had posted it on craigslist a few hours prior, but when I called, the guy said he hadn't received any calls about it yet. I didn't have any money, but I pulled together $40 I found around the house and called the guy back to say I wanted it. I asked the guy how much he was selling it for once I got there too just to make sure I heard/read it right.
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Sad, isn't it? frown.gif
And not just for Energy speakers. Vanns often had good deals on some other makes/models. Really was a great place to buy online frown.gif

Yeah, I've purchased lots of stuff from them before. Alarm clock, iPod accessories, cables. I'm curious though, they were bought out by another company- any chance they'd stay open just under different owners?
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