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post #42151 of 51452
wow that really doesnt make alot of sense to me.. why would denon put in this bi amp feature if it does not do anything.. maybe it adds more current available to the mains? ive heard the the veritas 6.3 need lots of power to sound there best.. but my wallet is tapped out for now.. my room size is 21 x 13 x 8.5 h... 2300 cubic ft.. and i do like to crank up the blues and rock some times.. nexts yr i will be putting in a home theater room in my basement with a we bit smaller room 20 x 12 x 7.5 but will have lots of acoustical treatments going on.. which is not to practical in my living room..


just have to waite to get the speakers and see the difference.. if any...
post #42152 of 51452
actually the veritas where design by the same staff of the old company..
post #42153 of 51452
did you see the veritas pricing this week at the future shop.. throught the floor.. guess thats why i bought in...

on the website under energy and packages really discounted.. which is kinda hidden..

v6.3 999 x2 and the vsub 499...
post #42154 of 51452
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

With a 3 way speaker what you really benefit is on vocals.The veritas do not have the klipsch sound.

Thirty years ago I would have agreed with you. Today we have subs and they make up for the low end the 2.5 way would be missing. Unless of course you don't use your sub while playing music.Either way in my case it's a mute point. 80% of what i do is watch movies in surround. 20% music listening. Also either way the sub has me covered or my 40 year old Sansui's can handle the 2 channel stuff. They are a true 3 way design. With 16.5" woofers they move a ton of air. i bought those in 1973 and they were going for 499 I believe for a pair, here in the states. Translate that into today's dollars (I make almost exactly 10 times what I made in 73) and they were quite the speaker in their time. That said though you need a good amp to really make them shine. The 6.3's would be nice but i can't justify an extra 1400 just to get a 3 way design Maybe I'm wrong but these will probably only ever be used for movie watching.
post #42155 of 51452
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Originally Posted by billlh View Post

Thanks Afrog, yes I know I'm late to the game but i think they would still be a very nice improvement over what I'm currently using. you seem to concur. Just because they are now designed by kiplich isn't a reason to shy away from them is it? i realize they aren't the Energy speakers of old but I guess my concern is, am i making a good move here? I can easily afford these speakers though the wife may not speak to me for a week when the card comes lol. That's not necessarily a bad thing!
Bill

I own the V6.2 its an very nice upgrade to what you have. My question is what are you wanting to use these for the most, music or Home Theatre?
Either way its a good set of speakers but I prefer the V6.2 over my Rc-70 set up for Home Theatre but prefer the RC-70 for 2 channel music.
Dont own the V6.3 so cant say if I would prefer that over the RC-70 for 2 channel music.
post #42156 of 51452
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

wow that really doesnt make alot of sense to me.. why would denon put in this bi amp feature if it does not do anything.. maybe it adds more current available to the mains? ive heard the the veritas 6.3 need lots of power to sound there best.. but my wallet is tapped out for now.. my room size is 21 x 13 x 8.5 h... 2300 cubic ft.. and i do like to crank up the blues and rock some times.. nexts yr i will be putting in a home theater room in my basement with a we bit smaller room 20 x 12 x 7.5 but will have lots of acoustical treatments going on.. which is not to practical in my living room..


just have to waite to get the speakers and see the difference.. if any...

You don't really need a high watt receiver on high efficiency speakers with a 93.5dB sensitivity you can drive then with pretty much anything.
post #42157 of 51452
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

I own the V6.2 its an very nice upgrade to what you have. My question is what are you wanting to use these for the most, music or Home Theatre?
Either way its a good set of speakers but I prefer the V6.2 over my Rc-70 set up for Home Theatre but prefer the RC-70 for 2 channel music.
Dont own the V6.3 so cant say if I would prefer that over the RC-70 for 2 channel music.

i will use them mostly for surround. As i said before I have my old Sansui speakers for music. But I think if your using a sub the 6.2's would be ok also. i can't justify the 6.3's at 1400 more. The 6.2's at just shy of 300 will work nice with the matching center channel. i can do the whole upgrade for less than a grand.The the biggest reason i just don't use the Sansui's is I can't find a center to match them. For those that know the brand I have the SP7500X. People either love them or hate them lol. They probably don't hold up well against today's speakers but then they are 40 years old.
post #42158 of 51452
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Originally Posted by billlh View Post

i will use them mostly for surround. As i said before I have my old Sansui speakers for music. But I think if your using a sub the 6.2's would be ok also. i can't justify the 6.3's at 1400 more. The 6.2's at just shy of 300 will work nice with the matching center channel. i can do the whole upgrade for less than a grand.The the biggest reason i just don't use the Sansui's is I can't find a center to match them. For those that know the brand I have the SP7500X. People either love them or hate them lol. They probably don't hold up well against today's speakers but then they are 40 years old.

I understand what your saying about your Sansui's, I have a pair of 1978 Pioneer HPM 100's version B matched up with a 1978 Pioneer SX-1080. Your right your either love those old speakers or you dont.
post #42159 of 51452
Hi Bat.. you are very correct about the bi amping .. found some really nice reads on the subject.. guess im back to the 7.1 dont have the second sub do i need it in my mid size room?

http://www.chuckhawks.com/bi-wire_bi-amp.htm

got to get those high end totem speakers with no cross overs eh... no wonder they where hooked up to 2 450w mcintosh amps... preamp and 10,000 mcintsoh cd player...

did sound real nice tho..

thanks for the tip
post #42160 of 51452
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Originally Posted by billlh View Post

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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

With a 3 way speaker what you really benefit is on vocals.The veritas do not have the klipsch sound.

Thirty years ago I would have agreed with you. Today we have subs and they make up for the low end the 2.5 way would be missing. Unless of course you don't use your sub while playing music.Either way in my case it's a mute point. 80% of what i do is watch movies in surround. 20% music listening. Also either way the sub has me covered or my 40 year old Sansui's can handle the 2 channel stuff. They are a true 3 way design. With 16.5" woofers they move a ton of air. i bought those in 1973 and they were going for 499 I believe for a pair, here in the states. Translate that into today's dollars (I make almost exactly 10 times what I made in 73) and they were quite the speaker in their time. That said though you need a good amp to really make them shine. The 6.3's would be nice but i can't justify an extra 1400 just to get a 3 way design Maybe I'm wrong but these will probably only ever be used for movie watching.

what I write is base on what you write before ::::> i just don't see the need for a three way since I have a good sub woofer now.

well specially on this specific speaker brand the bass benefit on the 2 way over 3 way is very minimal.

veritas v6.3 goes down 31Hz and the veritas 6.2 goes down to 33Hz they will perform almost equally if not equally on the bass region,The benefit of the separate mid range in the v6.3 is a big deference over the v6.2.

The v6.2 will be perfect for movies since the dialogue will be focused through the center speaker ,also if you mix together the center speaker with the v6.2 towers you will get almost the same experience as having v6.3 in front of you.
Edited by losservatore - 11/25/12 at 12:15am
post #42161 of 51452
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Originally Posted by billlh View Post

Thirty years ago I would have agreed with you. Today we have subs and they make up for the low end the 2.5 way would be missing. Unless of course you don't use your sub while playing music.Either way in my case it's a mute point. 80% of what i do is watch movies in surround. 20% music listening. Also either way the sub has me covered or my 40 year old Sansui's can handle the 2 channel stuff. They are a true 3 way design. With 16.5" woofers they move a ton of air. i bought those in 1973 and they were going for 499 I believe for a pair, here in the states. Translate that into today's dollars (I make almost exactly 10 times what I made in 73) and they were quite the speaker in their time. That said though you need a good amp to really make them shine. The 6.3's would be nice but i can't justify an extra 1400 just to get a 3 way design Maybe I'm wrong but these will probably only ever be used for movie watching.

The main difference between a 2 or 21/2 way to a 3 way speaker is a dedicated midrange speaker not the low end extension. So the main improvement of the 6.3 speaker is that there is a speaker that just plays midrange content while the 6.2 will have a woofer playing both midrange and lower end content. This isn't something that a sub would really help with as these frequencies are higher than a sub handles. The 6.3 has slightly lower bass response but that's due to the larger cabinet. As losservatore says you really will notice this difference in 2 channel music and with vocals and midrange sounds. Since you are mainly using this for HT where the center handles the vocals and your price concerns it really wouldn't make sense for you to go with the 6.3. If you were getting this for 2 channel music listening that midrange might become more important but the 6.2 is still going to be a really good 2 channel speaker. It's really a game of tradeoffs and diminishing returns and it sounds like you would get more value from the 6.2.
post #42162 of 51452
Heads up guys... WWStereo has the V-5.2C and V-Mini heavily discounted with coupon code CYBERMONDAY.... cheapest price I've seen for either.
post #42163 of 51452
Ya, V5.2C for only $219 shipped... in addition, V-minis for $95 and the V6.2s for $299.. all available in black or rosenut! Not to mention, the very hard to find high quality surround speakers, the V-Ss for a pretty good price of $199.
post #42164 of 51452
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Originally Posted by deano86 View Post

Ya, V5.2C for only $219 shipped... in addition, V-minis for $95 and the V6.2s for $299.. all available in black or rosenut! Not to mention, the very hard to find high quality surround speakers, the V-Ss for a pretty good price of $199.

At those prices, people on the fence about purchasing better sh1t or get off the pot. smile.gif
post #42165 of 51452
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Originally Posted by Titan Uranus View Post

At those prices, people on the fence about purchasing better sh1t or get off the pot. smile.gif
given your username, shall we assume you won't be sh1tting today?
post #42166 of 51452
Just recieved this email....just thought I would pass it along. I'm not affiliated them but have purchased a few items through them. http://www.wwstereo.com/Energy/V6.2PIANOR
post #42167 of 51452
hey guys i have a pair of cf70 and cc10 would the v6.2 and v5.2c be better
post #42168 of 51452
I'd say so. Better drivers, components and finish.
post #42169 of 51452
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Originally Posted by Browninggold View Post

Just recieved this email....just thought I would pass it along. I'm not affiliated them but have purchased a few items through them. http://www.wwstereo.com/Energy/V6.2PIANOR

your link says $349, currently they are $299 with the CYBERMONDAY promo code.
post #42170 of 51452
I recently upgraded my home theater to a 7.2 system with all new Energy Veritas speakers. I bought three Veritas V-5.2 center channel speaker and four Veritas V-S for surround and back surround. I’m using one Hsu VTF-15H and an Energy ESW-C10 as subwoofers. All is driven by a Pioneer SC-09TX and a Oppo BDP-103 using the V-5.2 for left, right and center.

I listen to SACD, DVD-Audio and Blu-ray movies. These speakers exceeded my (and my wife's) expectations in any way possible. After like 50 hours of breaking them in we listened to music and movies at very loud volumes and the Veritas just blow us away in clarity, overall sound and soundstage. Never had speakers before where I can hear such a clarity thru the center for the voice, kudos to the Energy Engineers.

I decided to go with the V-5.2 for left and right since that there is no advantage going with larger speakers like the V-6.2 or V-6.3 because in a home theater system you usually have at least one subwoofer and those can take better care for frequencies of 80hz and below. Only exception would be if you listen to 2.0 channel music. I placed them on Vantage Point SSB-30BB bookshelf speaker stands and they look terrific together. Also the height to the ears is way better as compared to floor-standing speakers: http://www.amazon.com/Vantage-Point-SSB-30BB-Adjustable-Bookshelf/dp/B0006G1IJ0/ref=sr_1_16?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1353885285&sr=1-16&keywords=speaker+stands

The price for the V-6.2 is a real steal and sure I would go for them as well for this price. Here is a video from an dealer how actually is telling you that the V-5.1 bookshelfs soundstage is actually better than the V-6.3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmLIxwZcPDA
Edited by South Park - 11/25/12 at 3:38pm
post #42171 of 51452
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

I'd say so. Better drivers, components and finish.
ok thank
post #42172 of 51452
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I decided to go with the V-5.2 for left and right since that there is no advantage going with larger speakers like the V-6.2 or V-6.3 because in a home theater system you usually have at least one subwoofer and those can take better care for frequencies of 80hz and below. Only exception would be if you listen to 2.0 channel music. I placed them on Vantage Point SSB-30BB bookshelf speaker stands and they look terrific together. Also the height to the ears is way better as compared to floor-standing speakers

I like the idea that you have 3 of the same speaker across the front stage but I would probably opt for two towers up front with a V5.2 center. You save money on stands plus you get a bigger speaker for music.

Sounds like you're really enjoying your setup, congrats!
post #42173 of 51452
Headphones for Energy RC lovers?

I was wondering what my fellow Energy owners do for headphones. Specifically what have you found that you find comparable to you RC or Veritas setups in terms over sound quality and enjoyment? What kind of money did you have to spend? Right now I'd like to spend around $100 but I haven't been blown away by anything that I've tested. (Various beats by Dre, Boss, and 1 lower end Sennheiser)

I think I want to go with full size over the ear type cans, closed or open. I am eye balling Denon AH-D510's , Sennheiser HD 429s(they seem to have a hundred different models) and I am hoping to test some Grado SR 60s or 80s.
post #42174 of 51452
I almost pull the trigger for EMP E55ti along with the small center and surrounds to build a 5.1 system. This cyber monday sale of Veritas 6.2 makes me hesitate, but at the $100 less the cost of the EMP's I can only get a pair of V6.2 towers and the v5.2 center. Should I just do 3.1 with the veritas?
Edited by mond817 - 11/25/12 at 5:32pm
post #42175 of 51452
yeah, 3.1 with veritas should be fine.
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but at the $100 less the cost of the EMP's

Does that mean the 3.1 Veritas is $100 less than the Emptek 5.1 system? If so you can add the V-mini's for surrounds which are $95 each. If you only have money for one, but it now and get the other one later.

Are you getting black or rosenut speakers?
post #42176 of 51452
I have an old sub that I'll live with so to be more specific 3.0 Veritas is $100 cheaper than my customized EMPtek 5.0.

I like the rosenut but seem like the black matches matter to my furniture. No decision yet. I am still hoping to see some more cyber monday sale later tonight.
post #42177 of 51452
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Originally Posted by MuaySteve View Post

Headphones for Energy RC lovers?
I was wondering what my fellow Energy owners do for headphones. Specifically what have you found that you find comparable to you RC or Veritas setups in terms over sound quality and enjoyment? What kind of money did you have to spend? Right now I'd like to spend around $100 but I haven't been blown away by anything that I've tested. (Various beats by Dre, Boss, and 1 lower end Sennheiser)
I think I want to go with full size over the ear type cans, closed or open. I am eye balling Denon AH-D510's , Sennheiser HD 429s(they seem to have a hundred different models) and I am hoping to test some Grado SR 60s or 80s.

I have had the Grado SR 80s for years, and have always enjoyed then. They sound quite stellar for $100. They are, for long listening periods, not very comfortable though; their stance seems to be "quality over comfort". Certain web stores like Listening Station (and their review site goodcans.com) provide a wonderful resource for headphones. That's where I read & was sold on Grados (and purchased; very genuine & helpful staff). My friend then heard them & bought a pair as well.
They don't have "over the top" bass like some other headphones, but very tight bass & nice treble. Sometimes I feel the treble a bit high, but that's something they're sound is famous for.
Notably, there are some solutions to making the 60s, 80s, etc more comfortable, but they'll cost a bit more money to buy / invest in.
Also, they are very easy to drive.

Hope this was helpful. smile.gif
Btw...might be hard to audition them, since they're pretty much web-only; I had to purchase them on good faith. There's a lot of great headphones out there these days, so you have somewhat of a search ahead of you. I can only chime in on the Grado sound, as I'd only owned 2 pairs of wireless RF seinheiser headphones before that (they both broke). I've had my 80s since 2003...have had to replace the foam cushions once since then, but aside from that...they serve wonderfully.
Edited by johnb4467 - 11/26/12 at 1:47am
post #42178 of 51452
Thanks for the in depth response John. The more I read, the deeper the rabbit hole goes. This is worse then buying speakers, and harder to audition, as you pointed out. But time and time again I find people recommending the Grado 60 and 80. Everyone says they are on the brightside, which is opposite of the Energy RC sound, but I am willing to try them for a good price.

Thankfully it looks like they come up pretty often on Canuckaudiomart. I have an email out to a guy who is asking $75 for 80's. They are selling new up here for $140.

Anyone else on headphones?
post #42179 of 51452
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Originally Posted by South Park View Post

I’m using one Hsu VTF-15H and an Energy ESW-C10 as subwoofers.

love the setup but hopefully you didn't pay too much for that ESW-C10! That is an entry-level subwoofer and is insanely outclassed by the HSU 15" sub. I'm shocked it hasn't blown up trying to keep up with the HSU. How on earth did you integrate the C10 with that monster HSU? It is clearly the "weak link' in your system right now.

if utilized lightly, e.g. just as a nearfield supplement to smooth out a null in the 15H's response and even out the bass in the listening area, I could see it working... but otherwise I might think about returning/selling the C10 and saving up for a second sub that is a real match to the quality of your other speakers.

anyway, glad you are enjoying the new rig! smile.gif don't mind my nit picking tongue.gif
post #42180 of 51452
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Originally Posted by MuaySteve View Post

Thanks for the in depth response John. The more I read, the deeper the rabbit hole goes. This is worse then buying speakers, and harder to audition, as you pointed out. But time and time again I find people recommending the Grado 60 and 80. Everyone says they are on the brightside, which is opposite of the Energy RC sound, but I am willing to try them for a good price.
Thankfully it looks like they come up pretty often on Canuckaudiomart. I have an email out to a guy who is asking $75 for 80's. They are selling new up here for $140.
Anyone else on headphones?

Keep us posted on your headphone journey -- I'd be interested to hear what you find. It might be nice for people to hear what you find, and see what the headphone "equivalent" to certain Energy speakers might be. Great thing about headphones...they're kind of like motorcycles -- you can get in the 'ferrari range' without 'ferrari' money. Then again...some of the highest-end headphones cost more than I've spent on any of my speakers! So, it's always a balancing game.

Do check out Listening Station. Their reviews might give you some good direction in what brands / models to look at. They review quite a number there. smile.gif
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