Energy Owners Thread - Page 1411

Yes, losservatore is correct, the .2 is one HSU VTF-15H and the second sub is a Energy sub ESW-C10. I can tell you the VTF-15H is rocking the room with the right movie. Here is a recommendation to show off the sound: "6 String Theory" Audio CD and multi-channel DVD by Lee Ritenour, this is just awesome. The Energy sub goes deep but with the VTF-15H you actually feel the punches quite hard. This one time we had guests in our house feeling uncomfortable with those punches, almost afraid...

Thanks batpig for the information, I think Im going to go with the wides over front heights since with this reciever I cant to both, will look into that Denon you mentioned.
I just wasnt satisfied with the front heights tried the rc-10 and the rc-r, they played nice but didnt really hear them that well. Maybe it was since I have the rc-70 for fronts they were drowning out the heights so wide front would probally be better, more at an ear level anyway. One thing I did notice and maybe its me not having things hooked up correctly. Television watching sound comes out of the heights as well as everything else. Once a blueray is introduced I dont get any sound out of the heights. A lot of these bluerays have locked audio tracks from what I can gather since I am not able to change the sound track using my reciever.

Hi,

Long time Energy owner here. I have a 7.1 home theatre in my rec room, with RC70s, RCLCR, ESW V10, and four RC8Cs. Very nice soundling system. I have wanted a 2 channel system in my living room, which is 13 feet by 17 feet, opens on one side to the kitchen. I bought two v6.3s at Future Shop for a good price of $ 900 each.

I am wondering if they may be too much speaker for my living room. They look a little bit too big as well. I am wondering if I should have bought 2 V5.2cs, or 2 V5.1s, and put them on stands.

If I decide to keep the V6.3s, can anyone recommend a good 2 channel integrated amp. I may buy a turntable, and listen to vinyl in my living room, as well as CDs. I am thinking of the Anthem 225 Integrated. My dealer is recommending a similarly priced, but less powerful Sim Audio integrated.

Does anyone have any experience with a 2 channel system, using the V5.2s or the V5.1s ? I would likely be listening to music at moderate levels. On the other hand, I got the V6.3s at a really good price, so I may decide to keep them.

Thanks.

Brian

I don't think there's such a thing as "too much speaker" for a room unless it's physically so large that either (1) it just looks stupid or (2) it sounds bad because you can't give it enough space. 13x17 for sure doesn't seem like it's too small for the V6.3's, which really aren't that big as far as tower speakers go, and especially not for a 2ch system where you aren't going to have a bunch of other speakers taking space.... but ultimately it's up to you since it's your room and you can see/hear them in action.

I think you should just utilize your return period and try them out and see how it goes... if the credit card can handle it you could even buy a pair of V5.1's or 5.2's and compare them to see if you notice a major difference at moderate volume.

BTW - I popped into my local Fry's (San Diego) at lunch today and they had RC-70's set up in their "high end" listening room, along with some top stuff from Klipsch (RF-7's I think) and Polk (LSi and RTi towers). All were powered by high end Onkyo (1009 and/or 3009's as far as I could tell) and playing some demo material ripped to FLAC from USB thumb drives.

It was a brief audition but I confirmed my distaste for the Klipsch sound... the sales guy (really nice and pretty knowledgeable) told me he had the Klipsch turned down to -6dB on the treble (!!) and they still sounded overly fatiguing on the high end. They are huge towers, but the standard 2-way design with two big bumping 10" woofers and that horn tweeter just sounded so unbalanced. I'm sure it would be great with movies but I was not impressed with 2ch music. I'm sure it's impressive to some people when the bass goes boom-boom and the details are so prominent, but it's just not my thing.

The RC-70's were untweaked (running in Pure Direct mode) and just sounded so much more balanced overall. Very impressive, and I thought they sounded quite similar overall to the Polk LSi's.

Anyway, the RC-70's still aren't discounted there, but I was interested to hear from the sales guy that they expect to get the Veritas models in soon as well. So hopefully I will be able to finally hear then and (fingers crossed) do an actual A/B with the RC-70 and V-6.3....

Hey batpig on the rc-r when going from bi-pole to di-pole does di-pole shut off the mids giving it more of a direct sound?
I hear a difference when switching but not sure what it actually is doing.

no, the mids are active in both settings, in fact the mids (because there are two of them firing in opposite direction) are the part that makes it dipole/bipole.

The difference between dipole and bipole modes is the "sync" of the two mids. A bipole speaker fires "in phase", so that the sound is the same across the whole dispersion pattern. A dipole speaker fires "out of phase", so that there is a cancellation between the two mids creating a "null" in front of the speaker. This makes the dipole speaker sound more "diffuse" when you are directly in front of it, you can't localize the sound to the speaker when you are in the null zone.

In theory the point of this dipole radiation pattern is to allow you to place the speaker directly to the sides but not have the speaker SOUND like it's directly to the side, instead it sounds like the sound is coming from the whole side wall -- the original intent was to mimic the array of monopole speakers that you would have on the side walls of a real movie theater. But they only really work properly if you can sit in the "null" zone. The bipole design is more of a "compromise" between the dipole and the direct firing speaker, it has some of the benefits of both -- it is more "discrete" sounding than a dipole but isn't as localizable as a monopole -- and is a bit more flexible with placement.

Here's a good explanation on Polk's website: http://www.polkaudio.com/polk-university/faq/what-is-dipole-and-bipole-and-how-are-they-different

Basically, a good rule of thumb is that if you are seated in the "null" zone (the surround speakers are directly to the sides) then use dipole, otherwise use bipole.

That helps batpig, now I understand when to use di-pole and when not. I am going to then use bi-pole since these are not direcly to my side and wall mounted. These are
on each side but a little behind the actual seating area and placed in a direction towards the seating area. Appreciate the information. Now to put another set of these on the back wall and then set those to di-pole since these are directly behind the seating area

Great news, batpig! I will be looking forward to my first auditions of RC and Veritas speaker product lines.

also, not a Denon thread, but just in case anyone is shopping for a receiver and lives near a Fry's, I noticed when I was in there that the AVR 1913 model is on sale for only $288, this is a steal of a price!

wow man too far to grab one .

Except Fry's is lying to get you to buy an extended warranty. The yellow card says limited 1 year parts, 1 year labor but actually Denon gives the buyer a 2 year warranty on this model.

Sneaky....

Tried using rc-70's as fronts and front wide. with the rc-r's as surrounds. To me much improvement over using heights. Thanks batpig.

Yes that is one of the difference between the rc-70s and veritas v ,the rc-70 are very punchy speakers their attention is more on the drums and bass guitar ,but sometimes their bass reproduction feel uncontrollable.on the veritas the attention is more on the guitars, voice,very tiny details, percussion ect.The bass on the veritas have more control.but they don't feel with the same punch and bass guitar feel of the rc-70s.The veritas v still have good bass.
Edited by losservatore - 11/29/12 at 8:26pm

I found all of the Energy speakers that came after the RC to have an overemphasis in the high frequencies........some call it more detail.......I call it to bright for my ears........the RC-70 is a much better speaker than the 6.3's to my ears ... just my $.02.

I cant said that one is better than the other, For me both have their cons and pros.In the rc-70s I miss something that the sound of the veritas produced and in the veritas I miss something that the sound of the rc produced.
Edited by losservatore - 11/29/12 at 9:15pm

Well put, I have the v6.2 and rc-70, both a little different

Hey, didn't know you were in SD. I mean how often do we read everyone's "From" location by their icons? Anyway, I was in SD earlier this month. Woulda been cool to check out a shop or 2 and grab a beer. I stayed at the bayside inn on Ash.

Neat, I live just 2 miles north of there

I may not have been in town though because I was on vacation in Guatemala earlier this month.....

that's why you need to try the REAL Veritas it's the best of both words

Wow this guy (Subdusted)made a thread in the speaker area that said Poll: Official Energy Rip-Off Thread:::::: He is saying that energy don't want to honor his warranty of the veritas v6.2 . Because of his statement people are getting very confused there ,I decide to call energy and ask if they still have parts for the veritas and rc and they told me yes we still have parts and will still be having parts for a very long time.Then I told him that there is a guy on the avs forum that made a rip off energy thread.The energy guy told me to wait to look at it then he said this person we had been trying to help him,he is not telling the whole story just a part of the story he bought this speakers here in the us and got then delivered to Ukraine we are been trying to help him offering to send him the tweeter to a us address but he want the tweeters to be send to Ukraine.



sorry put vanns instead of energy.
Edited by losservatore - 11/30/12 at 11:36am

This will show my age a bit, but to quote Paul Harvey "and, that's the rest of the story".

here is the link of the thread

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1441955/official-energy-rip-off-thread

sorry put vanns instead of energy, is been fix now.

^^
Yep, I saw that post, too. And, I wondered what the heck the problem really was. Then, I saw the response. It just goes to show that one must not be so willing to accept what one hears first, as being the whole story. For example, I've made posts questioning whether certain Energy speakers were available or not. But, I put where I got my info, which allows people to go check for themselves.

Received a pair of v-mini ahead of the towers and center yesterday. Set them up with Denon 1913 as front by Audessey. I'm a little disappointed of the sound they produced, but maybe they need a while to break in. Or should I do manual setup instead of using Audessey? Anyway they will eventually go to the side as surrounds.

They are smaller than I expected (didn't really look into the dimension spec), like the popular Take satellites. Package is typical made-in-China kind. There is some small, faint patches of marks that seem to be caused by rubbing the speakers with each other. Not a big deal but I expect slightly QC in cosmetics.

do you have a subwoofer? remember those are TINY speakers, so they should be very clear and detailed but will lack any fullness or "oomph" unless supplemented by a sub.

Don't bother running Audyssey unless you have a subwoofer...

I've seen that over and over again at Fry's, where their card describing the product lists a warranty term far less than what the warranty actually is.

At first I gave them the benefit of the doubt and thought it might be an honest mistake. But I've seen it so many times now that I wonder what is really going on.

If they're intentionally mis-stating the warranty terms in order to lead people into buying an extended warranty, then that IMO is criminal.

Let's hope there's a better explanation. I'm all ears.

I have an ancient Yamaha sub that only has a L/R RCA input and speakers input. The 1913 only has a single output. Not sure if I have the right cable at home so I didn't even bother to set that up. Look like I'll have to wait for the towers to come in...