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post #42301 of 51590
Hi,

Long time Energy owner here. I have a 7.1 home theatre in my rec room, with RC70s, RCLCR, ESW V10, and four RC8Cs. Very nice soundling system. I have wanted a 2 channel system in my living room, which is 13 feet by 17 feet, opens on one side to the kitchen. I bought two v6.3s at Future Shop for a good price of $ 900 each.

I am wondering if they may be too much speaker for my living room. They look a little bit too big as well. I am wondering if I should have bought 2 V5.2cs, or 2 V5.1s, and put them on stands.

If I decide to keep the V6.3s, can anyone recommend a good 2 channel integrated amp. I may buy a turntable, and listen to vinyl in my living room, as well as CDs. I am thinking of the Anthem 225 Integrated. My dealer is recommending a similarly priced, but less powerful Sim Audio integrated.

Does anyone have any experience with a 2 channel system, using the V5.2s or the V5.1s ? I would likely be listening to music at moderate levels. On the other hand, I got the V6.3s at a really good price, so I may decide to keep them.

Thanks.

Brian
post #42302 of 51590
I don't think there's such a thing as "too much speaker" for a room unless it's physically so large that either (1) it just looks stupid or (2) it sounds bad because you can't give it enough space. 13x17 for sure doesn't seem like it's too small for the V6.3's, which really aren't that big as far as tower speakers go, and especially not for a 2ch system where you aren't going to have a bunch of other speakers taking space.... but ultimately it's up to you since it's your room and you can see/hear them in action.

I think you should just utilize your return period and try them out and see how it goes... if the credit card can handle it you could even buy a pair of V5.1's or 5.2's and compare them to see if you notice a major difference at moderate volume.
post #42303 of 51590
BTW - I popped into my local Fry's (San Diego) at lunch today and they had RC-70's set up in their "high end" listening room, along with some top stuff from Klipsch (RF-7's I think) and Polk (LSi and RTi towers). All were powered by high end Onkyo (1009 and/or 3009's as far as I could tell) and playing some demo material ripped to FLAC from USB thumb drives.

It was a brief audition but I confirmed my distaste for the Klipsch sound... the sales guy (really nice and pretty knowledgeable) told me he had the Klipsch turned down to -6dB on the treble (!!) and they still sounded overly fatiguing on the high end. They are huge towers, but the standard 2-way design with two big bumping 10" woofers and that horn tweeter just sounded so unbalanced. I'm sure it would be great with movies but I was not impressed with 2ch music. I'm sure it's impressive to some people when the bass goes boom-boom and the details are so prominent, but it's just not my thing.

The RC-70's were untweaked (running in Pure Direct mode) and just sounded so much more balanced overall. Very impressive, and I thought they sounded quite similar overall to the Polk LSi's.

Anyway, the RC-70's still aren't discounted there, but I was interested to hear from the sales guy that they expect to get the Veritas models in soon as well. So hopefully I will be able to finally hear then and (fingers crossed) do an actual A/B with the RC-70 and V-6.3....
post #42304 of 51590
Hey batpig on the rc-r when going from bi-pole to di-pole does di-pole shut off the mids giving it more of a direct sound?
I hear a difference when switching but not sure what it actually is doing.
post #42305 of 51590
no, the mids are active in both settings, in fact the mids (because there are two of them firing in opposite direction) are the part that makes it dipole/bipole.

The difference between dipole and bipole modes is the "sync" of the two mids. A bipole speaker fires "in phase", so that the sound is the same across the whole dispersion pattern. A dipole speaker fires "out of phase", so that there is a cancellation between the two mids creating a "null" in front of the speaker. This makes the dipole speaker sound more "diffuse" when you are directly in front of it, you can't localize the sound to the speaker when you are in the null zone.

In theory the point of this dipole radiation pattern is to allow you to place the speaker directly to the sides but not have the speaker SOUND like it's directly to the side, instead it sounds like the sound is coming from the whole side wall -- the original intent was to mimic the array of monopole speakers that you would have on the side walls of a real movie theater. But they only really work properly if you can sit in the "null" zone. The bipole design is more of a "compromise" between the dipole and the direct firing speaker, it has some of the benefits of both -- it is more "discrete" sounding than a dipole but isn't as localizable as a monopole -- and is a bit more flexible with placement.

Here's a good explanation on Polk's website: http://www.polkaudio.com/polk-university/faq/what-is-dipole-and-bipole-and-how-are-they-different

Basically, a good rule of thumb is that if you are seated in the "null" zone (the surround speakers are directly to the sides) then use dipole, otherwise use bipole.
post #42306 of 51590
That helps batpig, now I understand when to use di-pole and when not. I am going to then use bi-pole since these are not direcly to my side and wall mounted. These are
on each side but a little behind the actual seating area and placed in a direction towards the seating area. Appreciate the information. Now to put another set of these on the back wall and then set those to di-pole since these are directly behind the seating area
post #42307 of 51590
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Anyway, the RC-70's still aren't discounted there, but I was interested to hear from the sales guy that they expect to get the Veritas models in soon as well. So hopefully I will be able to finally hear then and (fingers crossed) do an actual A/B with the RC-70 and V-6.3....

Great news, batpig! I will be looking forward to my first auditions of RC and Veritas speaker product lines.
post #42308 of 51590
also, not a Denon thread, but just in case anyone is shopping for a receiver and lives near a Fry's, I noticed when I was in there that the AVR 1913 model is on sale for only $288, this is a steal of a price!

post #42309 of 51590
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

also, not a Denon thread, but just in case anyone is shopping for a receiver and lives near a Fry's, I noticed when I was in there that the AVR 1913 model is on sale for only $288, this is a steal of a price!


wow man too far to grab one frown.gif.
post #42310 of 51590
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

also, not a Denon thread, but just in case anyone is shopping for a receiver and lives near a Fry's, I noticed when I was in there that the AVR 1913 model is on sale for only $288, this is a steal of a price!

Except Fry's is lying to get you to buy an extended warranty. The yellow card says limited 1 year parts, 1 year labor but actually Denon gives the buyer a 2 year warranty on this model.

Sneaky....mad.gif
post #42311 of 51590
Tried using rc-70's as fronts and front wide. with the rc-r's as surrounds. To me much improvement over using heights. Thanks batpig.
post #42312 of 51590
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

the 6.3s have nice base to me all by themselves.. not super punch but good punch..


Yes that is one of the difference between the rc-70s and veritas v ,the rc-70 are very punchy speakers their attention is more on the drums and bass guitar ,but sometimes their bass reproduction feel uncontrollable.on the veritas the attention is more on the guitars, voice,very tiny details, percussion ect.The bass on the veritas have more control.but they don't feel with the same punch and bass guitar feel of the rc-70s.The veritas v still have good bass.
Edited by losservatore - 11/29/12 at 8:26pm
post #42313 of 51590
I found all of the Energy speakers that came after the RC to have an overemphasis in the high frequencies........some call it more detail.......I call it to bright for my ears........the RC-70 is a much better speaker than the 6.3's to my ears ... just my $.02.
post #42314 of 51590
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Originally Posted by JKR1963 View Post

I found all of the Energy speakers that came after the RC to have an overemphasis in the high frequencies........some call it more detail.......I call it to bright for my ears........the RC-70 is a much better speaker than the 6.3's to my ears ... just my $.02.


I cant said that one is better than the other, For me both have their cons and pros.In the rc-70s I miss something that the sound of the veritas produced and in the veritas I miss something that the sound of the rc produced.
Edited by losservatore - 11/29/12 at 9:15pm
post #42315 of 51590
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

I cant said that one is better than the other, For me both have their cons and pros.In the rc-70s I miss something that the sound of the veritas produced and in the veritas I miss something that the sound of the rc produced.

Well put, I have the v6.2 and rc-70, both a little different
post #42316 of 51590
im running the v 6.3 now with the plug in the bottom port..

in my living room im limited to how much i can move them around im only 18 inch out from a back interior wall ( plaster ) could use some bass traps behind ..

do you have many acoustical treatments in your listening rooms..

i turn up the V to ref vol today wow my little bungalow was vibrating all over.. with out the plugs would have real bad bass resonance..

the multq thingy must be looking after the reverb time well cause its real clean music..

think i will try building my 1st base trap this wknd..

will be using lots of treatments in my yet to be built ht..

already built my 1st diffuser.. about 60 lbs of wood ... and 28 oz of glue...
post #42317 of 51590
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

BTW - I popped into my local Fry's (San Diego) at lunch today and they had RC-70's set up in their "high end" listening room, along with some top stuff from Klipsch (RF-7's I think) and Polk (LSi and RTi towers). All were powered by high end Onkyo (1009 and/or 3009's as far as I could tell) and playing some demo material ripped to FLAC from USB thumb drives.

Hey, didn't know you were in SD. I mean how often do we read everyone's "From" location by their icons? Anyway, I was in SD earlier this month. Woulda been cool to check out a shop or 2 and grab a beer. I stayed at the bayside inn on Ash.
post #42318 of 51590
Neat, I live just 2 miles north of there smile.gif

I may not have been in town though because I was on vacation in Guatemala earlier this month.....
post #42319 of 51590
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

I cant said that one is better than the other, For me both have their cons and pros.In the rc-70s I miss something that the sound of the veritas produced and in the veritas I miss something that the sound of the rc produced.

that's why you need to try the REAL Veritas biggrin.gif it's the best of both words wink.gif
post #42320 of 51590
Wow this guy (Subdusted)made a thread in the speaker area that said Poll: Official Energy Rip-Off Thread:::::: He is saying that energy don't want to honor his warranty of the veritas v6.2 . Because of his statement people are getting very confused there ,I decide to call energy and ask if they still have parts for the veritas and rc and they told me yes we still have parts and will still be having parts for a very long time.Then I told him that there is a guy on the avs forum that made a rip off energy thread.The energy guy told me to wait to look at it then he said this person we had been trying to help him,he is not telling the whole story just a part of the story he bought this speakers here in the us and got then delivered to Ukraine we are been trying to help him offering to send him the tweeter to a us address but he want the tweeters to be send to Ukraine.



sorry put vanns instead of energy.
Edited by losservatore - 11/30/12 at 11:36am
post #42321 of 51590
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

Wow this guy (Subdusted)made a thread in the speaker area that said Poll: Official Energy Rip-Off Thread:::::: He is saying that vanns don't want to honor his warranty of the veritas v6.2 . Because of his statement people are getting very confused there ,I decide to call vanns and ask if they still have parts for the veritas and rc and they told me yes we still have parts and will still be having parts for a very long time.Then I told him that there is a guy on the avs forum that made a rip off energy thread.The energy guy told me to wait to look at it then he said this person we had been trying to help him,he is not telling the whole story just a part of the story he bought this speakers here in the us and got then delivered to Ukraine we are been trying to help him offering to send him the tweeter to a us address but he want the tweeters to be send to Ukraine.

This will show my age a bit, but to quote Paul Harvey "and, that's the rest of the story".
post #42322 of 51590
post #42323 of 51590
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Originally Posted by petaylor View Post

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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

Wow this guy (Subdusted)made a thread in the speaker area that said Poll: Official Energy Rip-Off Thread:::::: He is saying that vanns don't want to honor his warranty of the veritas v6.2 . Because of his statement people are getting very confused there ,I decide to call vanns and ask if they still have parts for the veritas and rc and they told me yes we still have parts and will still be having parts for a very long time.Then I told him that there is a guy on the avs forum that made a rip off energy thread.The energy guy told me to wait to look at it then he said this person we had been trying to help him,he is not telling the whole story just a part of the story he bought this speakers here in the us and got then delivered to Ukraine we are been trying to help him offering to send him the tweeter to a us address but he want the tweeters to be send to Ukraine.

This will show my age a bit, but to quote Paul Harvey "and, that's the rest of the story".

sorry put vanns instead of energy, is been fix now.
post #42324 of 51590
^^
Yep, I saw that post, too. And, I wondered what the heck the problem really was. Then, I saw the response. It just goes to show that one must not be so willing to accept what one hears first, as being the whole story. For example, I've made posts questioning whether certain Energy speakers were available or not. But, I put where I got my info, which allows people to go check for themselves.
post #42325 of 51590
Received a pair of v-mini ahead of the towers and center yesterday. Set them up with Denon 1913 as front by Audessey. I'm a little disappointed of the sound they produced, but maybe they need a while to break in. Or should I do manual setup instead of using Audessey? Anyway they will eventually go to the side as surrounds.

They are smaller than I expected (didn't really look into the dimension spec), like the popular Take satellites. Package is typical made-in-China kind. There is some small, faint patches of marks that seem to be caused by rubbing the speakers with each other. Not a big deal but I expect slightly QC in cosmetics.
post #42326 of 51590
do you have a subwoofer? remember those are TINY speakers, so they should be very clear and detailed but will lack any fullness or "oomph" unless supplemented by a sub.

Don't bother running Audyssey unless you have a subwoofer...
post #42327 of 51590
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

Except Fry's is lying to get you to buy an extended warranty. The yellow card says limited 1 year parts, 1 year labor but actually Denon gives the buyer a 2 year warranty on this model.
Sneaky....mad.gif

I've seen that over and over again at Fry's, where their card describing the product lists a warranty term far less than what the warranty actually is.

At first I gave them the benefit of the doubt and thought it might be an honest mistake. But I've seen it so many times now that I wonder what is really going on.

If they're intentionally mis-stating the warranty terms in order to lead people into buying an extended warranty, then that IMO is criminal.

Let's hope there's a better explanation. I'm all ears.
post #42328 of 51590
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

do you have a subwoofer? remember those are TINY speakers, so they should be very clear and detailed but will lack any fullness or "oomph" unless supplemented by a sub.
Don't bother running Audyssey unless you have a subwoofer...

I have an ancient Yamaha sub that only has a L/R RCA input and speakers input. The 1913 only has a single output. Not sure if I have the right cable at home so I didn't even bother to set that up. Look like I'll have to wait for the towers to come in...
post #42329 of 51590
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Originally Posted by mond817 View Post

I have an ancient Yamaha sub that only has a L/R RCA input and speakers input. The 1913 only has a single output. Not sure if I have the right cable at home so I didn't even bother to set that up. Look like I'll have to wait for the towers to come in...

If you have a regular rca cable you can run that cable from either L or R on the sub to the denons single sub out and you should be ok. What model yamaha sub btw??
post #42330 of 51590
Yeah, in most cases the L/R inputs on a sub are identical (mono) inputs so you can just plug into either one from the single sub out on the AVR.
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