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post #42331 of 51531
Been experimenting with my speaker setup. Currently running energy cf70s up front, v5.2-c center, klipsch 10" sub and cb10 for surround. My question is what should I set the front towers and center speakers to? Small? Large? And what crossover 100hz? Receiver is pioneer elite vsx-53. Your feedback would be appreciated.
post #42332 of 51531
there are guidelines to your question all over these audio/video sites. The problem is the frequency response of your speakers will be different in every room, mainly YOUR room, so there will be suggestions, ie, direct answers to your question, but only you will be able to learn HOW to do it and get the best results. There are different on opinions for "large" vs "small" as well. I run my music with a sub for 2.1, and my mains are large. Some people argue that they should be set small with a sub so the amp and speakers dont have to work as hard. My argument is that the bass from the speakers helps even out bass response in the room. Just read a bit on the subject
post #42333 of 51531
Hi Everyone! This is my first post here on AVS, I am not an Energy owner yet, but I plan on changing that this weekend. Thanks to everyone for sharing their audio knowledge and experience especially in regards to the Energy brand speakers. I’ll try to keep this short and get right to the point. I am looking to upgrade the sound for our new LED TV (the internal speakers vibrate the case with a “brrrrr” when trying to hit any lower frequencies).

This would be my first home theater setup and I might have to buy only front 2 or 3 speakers then add the rest when capable. The living room is rather cozy, about 9x13. I am using a hand me down AVR, a Sony STR-D460Z, which I plan on eventually upgrading. I would like to stay under $500 for now if possible, and eventually add the rest at a later time.

Since I recently (early November) got into the search for speakers, I missed out on the low RC-10 pricing and now they are hard to find, let alone the matching RC-LCR (at a reasonable price that is). I do see that the Veritas are down in price now, and wanted to take advantage of the pricing wwstereo has atm for the V-5.2. So I was thinking of getting the V-5.2 and holding out for some used RC-10s, but I am not sure if and when that would be. Then I figured about getting 3 V-5.2 for my front but that would be pushing my budget. So now I am thinking of just going for a 2.0 setup of V-5.2s and then adding the center later on.

Does anyone have any input of using the v-5.2s as fronts versus the RC-10s or V-5.1s? Does the sound stage they create similar or better? And in regards about placement of the V-5.2 and I guess it also goes for the RC-LCR since they are both rear ported; should they also be placed away from the wall (to avoid boomy bass) at a similar distance as the RC-10s are recommended or should it be less since they have 2 ports in the back? Any input would be greatly appreciated, as I would love to place the order for either 1 or 2 V-5.2s by tomorrow (I know, a little last minute). I maybe even willing to suck it up and buy 3 if that is the best recommendation. Even though a trio in Rosenut is more then I would like to spend, it is very highly tempting smile.gif
post #42334 of 51531
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Originally Posted by MuaySteve View Post

Thanks for the in depth response John. The more I read, the deeper the rabbit hole goes. This is worse then buying speakers, and harder to audition, as you pointed out. But time and time again I find people recommending the Grado 60 and 80. Everyone says they are on the brightside, which is opposite of the Energy RC sound, but I am willing to try them for a good price.
Thankfully it looks like they come up pretty often on Canuckaudiomart. I have an email out to a guy who is asking $75 for 80's. They are selling new up here for $140.
Anyone else on headphones?

My favourite pair of headphones that I own are the Sennheiser HD 558. I love the way they sound and fit, plus the quality of the materials is fantastic. There is nothing I would change with them for the $125 price I paid. I also really like the Sennheiser RS 180 because of the freedom of no wires for yard use, but the HD 558s sound better.
I have a pair of Bose in ear TriPort IE (leave me alone, I won them from a radio station biggrin.gif). I also have in ear Monster Turbines and my girlfriend has Monster Jamz. For what it's worth, I prefer the BoseTriPort IEs anyday over the Monster Turbines and the Jamz. I bought the Monsters for amazing prices so I thought I'd give them a shot, but I honestly grab the Bose over the Monsters every time.
My daily use main speakers are old Veritas and RC-70s. Good luck with your headphone quest! smile.gif
post #42335 of 51531
Thanks Sousa and batpig. I found a big chunk of component cable (look as thick as a subwoofer cable) that I bought but never made any use of. Connect the sub to avr, then redo audessey. So far so good. Watched IronMan2 late last night and the sound quality is pretty good. Music from a concert on DVD isn't too good. Maybe I expect too much from the v-mini.

The sub is Yamaha YST-SW100. I can't remember exactly when my dad bought it. At least 18 years I would say. Still sound pretty good biggrin.gif

post #42336 of 51531
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Originally Posted by dwardo View Post

Hi Everyone! This is my first post here on AVS, I am not an Energy owner yet, but I plan on changing that this weekend. Thanks to everyone for sharing their audio knowledge and experience especially in regards to the Energy brand speakers. I’ll try to keep this short and get right to the point. I am looking to upgrade the sound for our new LED TV (the internal speakers vibrate the case with a “brrrrr” when trying to hit any lower frequencies).
This would be my first home theater setup and I might have to buy only front 2 or 3 speakers then add the rest when capable. The living room is rather cozy, about 9x13. I am using a hand me down AVR, a Sony STR-D460Z, which I plan on eventually upgrading. I would like to stay under $500 for now if possible, and eventually add the rest at a later time.
Since I recently (early November) got into the search for speakers, I missed out on the low RC-10 pricing and now they are hard to find, let alone the matching RC-LCR (at a reasonable price that is). I do see that the Veritas are down in price now, and wanted to take advantage of the pricing wwstereo has atm for the V-5.2. So I was thinking of getting the V-5.2 and holding out for some used RC-10s, but I am not sure if and when that would be. Then I figured about getting 3 V-5.2 for my front but that would be pushing my budget. So now I am thinking of just going for a 2.0 setup of V-5.2s and then adding the center later on.
Does anyone have any input of using the v-5.2s as fronts versus the RC-10s or V-5.1s? Does the sound stage they create similar or better? And in regards about placement of the V-5.2 and I guess it also goes for the RC-LCR since they are both rear ported; should they also be placed away from the wall (to avoid boomy bass) at a similar distance as the RC-10s are recommended or should it be less since they have 2 ports in the back? Any input would be greatly appreciated, as I would love to place the order for either 1 or 2 V-5.2s by tomorrow (I know, a little last minute). I maybe even willing to suck it up and buy 3 if that is the best recommendation. Even though a trio in Rosenut is more then I would like to spend, it is very highly tempting smile.gif

Welcome to Energy smile.gif
Is your tv still under warranty? I would check to see if the speakers are blown, and have them replaced if they are.
I have a bunch of rear ported speakers right up against walls. Plug the ports, and you will be fine. I wouldn't worry about it.
post #42337 of 51531
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Originally Posted by dwardo View Post

Hi Everyone! This is my first post here on AVS, I am not an Energy owner yet, but I plan on changing that this weekend. Thanks to everyone for sharing their audio knowledge and experience especially in regards to the Energy brand speakers. I’ll try to keep this short and get right to the point. I am looking to upgrade the sound for our new LED TV (the internal speakers vibrate the case with a “brrrrr” when trying to hit any lower frequencies).
This would be my first home theater setup and I might have to buy only front 2 or 3 speakers then add the rest when capable. The living room is rather cozy, about 9x13. I am using a hand me down AVR, a Sony STR-D460Z, which I plan on eventually upgrading. I would like to stay under $500 for now if possible, and eventually add the rest at a later time.
Since I recently (early November) got into the search for speakers, I missed out on the low RC-10 pricing and now they are hard to find, let alone the matching RC-LCR (at a reasonable price that is). I do see that the Veritas are down in price now, and wanted to take advantage of the pricing wwstereo has atm for the V-5.2. So I was thinking of getting the V-5.2 and holding out for some used RC-10s, but I am not sure if and when that would be. Then I figured about getting 3 V-5.2 for my front but that would be pushing my budget. So now I am thinking of just going for a 2.0 setup of V-5.2s and then adding the center later on.
Does anyone have any input of using the v-5.2s as fronts versus the RC-10s or V-5.1s? Does the sound stage they create similar or better? And in regards about placement of the V-5.2 and I guess it also goes for the RC-LCR since they are both rear ported; should they also be placed away from the wall (to avoid boomy bass) at a similar distance as the RC-10s are recommended or should it be less since they have 2 ports in the back? Any input would be greatly appreciated, as I would love to place the order for either 1 or 2 V-5.2s by tomorrow (I know, a little last minute). I maybe even willing to suck it up and buy 3 if that is the best recommendation. Even though a trio in Rosenut is more then I would like to spend, it is very highly tempting smile.gif

at this point you'd be lucky to find RC-10s and RC LCR anymore. But if you like a less bright speaker they'd be recommended over the V series.
post #42338 of 51531
dwardo I have a pair of rc-10 and a rc-lcr for sale smile.gif if you are interested pm me.
post #42339 of 51531
Thanks Hank for the welcome and thank you to all for the quick replies: smile.gif

The tv is still under warranty, it's about a week old,. But the speakers don't sound blown. They sound great with everything except for the occasional low bass they try to produce which kinda vibrates whatever casing they are being held with. I returned a different tv for image quality reasons but that one too had the same vibration going on. It also would only happen at moderate and above sound levels.

Has anyone been able to listen to both the newer Veritas v-5.1 and the CB10 or 20s? I have read that both are brighter then the RC-10s but I was curious as to how they both compare to each other. Which one is brighter? Unfortunately I have only been able to listen to the CB-10 and 20s at a local bestbuy and really enjoyed them. I only listened to them for about 10-15 min but did not really find them bright. I enjoyed they're clarity and soundstage but then I am no audiophile, I would be coming from what seems to be a older sony ssf3000 ( circa 1995ish?). also, I had just finished listening to the standard bookshelf speakers they have lined in the aisle way; the Energies were notably better all around.

At first, I was going to wait to catch the CB-20s on sale, but with the low discounted prices that both the RC10s and Veritas are going for, I would rather go for one of those since they are of better quality and look much nicer.
post #42340 of 51531
Hey everyone. I have a pair of RC-70's that I have setup in a 2 channel setup (bi-amped). I have not used them in a few months and recently had some free time to enjoy music on them. When playing some music (vocal and acoustic guitar) I noticed that my left RC70 has a rattle noise at certain frequencies (mainly lower notes). I pulled the grill off and placed my ear near the speaker and noticed that the one woofer (second from bottom) is causing the rattle noise. These speakers are not even a year old yet and have less than 100 hours of play time. I bought these from Vanns when they were on sale (the cherry versions). What can I check to see if the woofer is bad? I have read to pull the woofer out and check the voice coil for any signs of debris, etc. Is there anything else I can check or maybe try and fix? How is the warranty with Energy? Are they a hassle to deal with?

I really enjoy these speakers as I have a pair of RC-10's in another two channel setup for my office that I use. When I found the deal from Vanns for the RC-70's, I ordered them asap.

- Garrett
post #42341 of 51531
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Originally Posted by mond817 View Post

Thanks Sousa and batpig. I found a big chunk of component cable (look as thick as a subwoofer cable) that I bought but never made any use of. Connect the sub to avr, then redo audessey. So far so good. Watched IronMan2 late last night and the sound quality is pretty good. Music from a concert on DVD isn't too good. Maybe I expect too much from the v-mini.
The sub is Yamaha YST-SW100. I can't remember exactly when my dad bought it. At least 18 years I would say. Still sound pretty good biggrin.gif

Wow- I have that sub too. 18 years sounds about right. It's not a bad little sub for sure but for the money paid well, lets just say sub technology has come a long way smile.gif
post #42342 of 51531
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Originally Posted by Kpt_Krunch View Post

Wow- I have that sub too. 18 years sounds about right. It's not a bad little sub for sure but for the money paid well, lets just say sub technology has come a long way smile.gif

I don't know which sub to get yet, and this Yamaha has been sitting idly for many years. Which sub would you guys recommend? I don't want to invest too much in the sub since the living room is not big. Thinking about the Klipsch RW12d.
post #42343 of 51531
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Originally Posted by garretwp View Post

Hey everyone. I have a pair of RC-70's that I have setup in a 2 channel setup (bi-amped). I have not used them in a few months and recently had some free time to enjoy music on them. When playing some music (vocal and acoustic guitar) I noticed that my left RC70 has a rattle noise at certain frequencies (mainly lower notes). I pulled the grill off and placed my ear near the speaker and noticed that the one woofer (second from bottom) is causing the rattle noise. These speakers are not even a year old yet and have less than 100 hours of play time. I bought these from Vanns when they were on sale (the cherry versions). What can I check to see if the woofer is bad? I have read to pull the woofer out and check the voice coil for any signs of debris, etc. Is there anything else I can check or maybe try and fix? How is the warranty with Energy? Are they a hassle to deal with?
I really enjoy these speakers as I have a pair of RC-10's in another two channel setup for my office that I use. When I found the deal from Vanns for the RC-70's, I ordered them asap.
- Garrett


I had the same thing happen. Once I determined which woofer was rattling, I emailed Vanns and they wanted me to send the speaker back to them and they would then send to Energy to get fixed and then send it back to me. Too many trips across country. So I emailed Energy and sent them a proof of purchase and they sent me a new woofer for no charge, not even shipping. There is an entry in this forum how to remove the woofer and replace it. If you can use an allen wrench it's fairly easy. Hardest part is getting the old woofer out. It's flush mounted so be careful not to scratch the finish.

Good luck.
Edited by Cadillacjack - 12/2/12 at 8:12am
post #42344 of 51531
Hi Batpig...

you mean i didnt buy real veritas 6.3s... what are real veritas?

thanks
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OK, please be kind experienced owners, I did my due diligence and did read through the thread for the last hour but just didn't feel like everything was clear.

I have a Denon AVR-888 (100W) and due to WAF must downsize speakers so they aren't the prominent furniture in the room and hopefully wall-mount.

I started looking at a 5.1 Take Classic set, then decided on a RC-Micro set ($130 at TigerDirect, are they made of paper???)....and then started thinking if there was a way to slightly upgrade the center and front speakers while staying in the very small size needed for WAF so I could rotate the set fronts / center to be rear-surrounds for 7.1.....is that recommended and would the Take Classic front/ centers be better or the Veritas Minis?

General advice or also what is compatible with what (in these small sizes) would be much appreciated.

Unfortunately, size is going to be a really limiting factor for me, but could probably go slightly larger on center/ fronts if they would work.
Edited by pghflyer - 12/2/12 at 9:38am
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

Hi Batpig...
you mean i didnt buy real veritas 6.3s... what are real veritas?
thanks
I believe he meant the original made in Canada veritas stuff that really put energy loudspeakers on the map - 2.8, 1.8, 2.4i etc etc.
post #42347 of 51531
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Originally Posted by pghflyer View Post

OK, please be kind experienced owners, I did my due diligence and did read through the thread for the last hour but just didn't feel like everything was clear.
I have a Denon AVR-888 (100W) and due to WAF must downsize speakers so they aren't the prominent furniture in the room and hopefully wall-mount.
I started looking at a 5.1 Take Classic set, then decided on a RC-Micro set ($130 at TigerDirect, are they made of paper???)....and then started thinking if there was a way to slightly upgrade the center and front speakers while staying in the very small size needed for WAF so I could rotate the set fronts / center to be rear-surrounds for 7.1.....is that recommended and would the Take Classic front/ centers be better or the Veritas Minis?
General advice or also what is compatible with what (in these small sizes) would be much appreciated.
Unfortunately, size is going to be a really limiting factor for me, but could probably go slightly larger on center/ fronts if they would work.

Well, there are the Energy V mini speakers; a small step up in size and a definite step up in sound quality. The non-center version is 4.75" wide and 7.5" tall, comes with a wall mounting kit.They're going for 119 now.

The center speaker is going for 249 now

They are not tiny, but are definitely not overwhelming in size. 730 gets you 5.0 at a smaller size and they still have good sound when they're married to a good sub.
post #42348 of 51531
Thanks much hernanu, appreciate it. If I had to, would those V mini(s) be compatible with rc-micro in the rear and surround?

For sub, I was looking at ESW-C8 or C10. I have a little more flexibility though on the SW size.
Edited by pghflyer - 12/2/12 at 11:01am
post #42349 of 51531
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Originally Posted by pghflyer View Post

Thanks much hernanu, appreciate it. If I had to, would those V mini(s) be compatible with rc-micro in the rear and surround?
For sub, I was looking at ESW-C8 or C10. I have a little more flexibility though on the SW size.

I think they would work well together if they had to. It's not as important to match the rears as the front three.
post #42350 of 51531
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Originally Posted by pghflyer View Post

For sub, I was looking at ESW-C8 or C10. I have a little more flexibility though on the SW size.

For the sub, you don't need to match the speakers. They are pretty standalone, so you can go for higher quality in another brand if needed. The C's are probably not the best bang for your buck; the C10 at about 400 is probably outmatched either by the Energy s10.3 or any of the lower priced Hsu subwoofers. They are ok, but you might get some good alternatives in the subs forum.
post #42351 of 51531
Thanks. Just found a good price on a 5.2 Veritas Center. Any issue if I mix-up this center with 2 Veritas minis for my fronts? Yeah, I am really throwing all the combos out here, sorry.
post #42352 of 51531
the V-Minis will be a large step up in sound quality from either the Takes or Micros, they are quite a bit larger (although still very small) but mostly just built better, much heaver and more robust with higher quality drivers. Plus 4.5" woofer vs. the much smaller 2-3" type woofers in the takes/micros.

and, yes, getting three Mini's for up front and using Micros as 4 surrounds will work just fine.

as hernanu implied, avoid the C8/C10 subs, they are way overpriced for the quality. There are MANY great sub options out there which will have a lot more bang for the buck. So let us know approximate budget and room size. And also to reinforce what he said, there is no reason to stick to the Energy brand for subwoofer choice.

EDIT: just saw your last post, the V-5.2C is HUGE compared to these other speakers, I thought you needed small speakers for WAF?
post #42353 of 51531
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Originally Posted by brendelac View Post

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

Hi Batpig...
you mean i didnt buy real veritas 6.3s... what are real veritas?
thanks
I believe he meant the original made in Canada veritas stuff that really put energy loudspeakers on the map - 2.8, 1.8, 2.4i etc etc.

correct, the "real" Veritas speakers are the first two generations that were actually designed by Energy (John Tchilinguirian). These current versions use the "Veritas" name but they are Klipsch designed "souped up RC's" and are not at the same level as the true Veritas flagship models of the past.

not that they are bad speakers smile.gif it's all relative though, and the first two gens were legendary.
post #42354 of 51531
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

Hi Batpig...

you mean i didnt buy real veritas 6.3s... what are real veritas?

thanks

batpig is referring about the first generations of veritas that where designed and engineered and also made in canada .Then the other veritas generation where designed and engineered in canada but made in china,This ones the veritas v where designed and engineered in usa and made in china.

That is why many energy followers keep following the RC because they where voiced by Canadian engineers.The RC was designed and engineered in canada but made in china.

Is sad to said that almost everything is now made in china.


however this is what klipsh said about their veritas v series to the audio audioholics reviewers.


Part way through reviewing the V-6.3s I contacted Klipsch, curious to know just how much of the V-6.3s were "Energy" and how much they're "Klipsch". Overall, the sense I got from their response was that Klipsch weren't interested in re-inventing the wheel and to that end took meaningful steps to ensure Energy stays, well, Energy. I thought Energy fans might find their response both interesting and enlightening. What follows is a bullet-list summary of that response:

Development of the Veritas line was done in the US by a design team specifically dedicated to the brand, composed mostly of former Klipsch brand people. Klipsch maintains a very good working relationship with many of the former Canadian design team, who are used occasionally on other Energy projects.

The Veritas line was developed using component designs from older Energy products since they were still designed specifically with the Energy design philosophy in mind. The only component change of any real substance was an increase in the magnet strength\weight of the woofers, done with a view to increasing bass definition.

In the development process, existing Energy products were used to define the listening & measurement characteristics target profiles in order to maintain the integrity of the product line. For example, in the voicing phase of the Veritas' development other Energy speakers were used as a reference when performing listening tests. Likewise for the measured frequency response profile. The development teams goal was only to ensure the overall smoothness in the response and that there were no obvious problems in the voicing. This was important because otherwise it would be too easy to simply slide down the path of voicing it just like a Klipsch.



I still love my veritas v series they do sound really good and they still have the energy sound.

The most important thing here,Is that they don't sound at all like klipsh.
Edited by losservatore - 12/2/12 at 1:40pm
post #42355 of 51531
Thanks much also batpig for your time and feedback. Yeah, WAF is the main driver here, particularly for the surrounds and my current towers. I figure I *might* could get away with a fuller sized center speaker because it could sit on the existing stand with the TV anyhow. Trying to balance wife needs with getting best value for $$. The v5.2 center can be had for only $40 more than the veritas mini.....but you are right, big size difference (4.72H x 13.78W x 5.51D compared to 7.6H x 19.49W x 9.17D)....take it you would stick with the Vertias-Mini?
post #42356 of 51531
I noticed this nice setup if anyone in or around Tennessee has some cash burning a hole in their pocket.

http://memphis.craigslist.org/ele/3427571099.html

Complete home theater system projector 92" energy velodyne speakers - $4000 (lakeland)
Denon avr3808ci 7 channel receiver with original box and both remotes.
Energy veritas 2.8 front speakers pair (These were $6000 a pair when they were new http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/551/index.html)
Energy veritas 2.0r side speakers with original box
Energy veritas 2.0r rear speakers with original box
Energy veritas 2.0ci center speaker with original box
Velodyne spl-1500r with original box
92" grey screen with black velvet surround
Optoma 1080p projector
Assorted cables / clips / speaker stands
Rack mount power strip / filter with lights (furman)
post #42357 of 51531
The Veritas Mini Center is on sale now through midnite tomorrow for $174.99 at wwstereo. Use code cybermonday2. You could actually use 3 of those for your front soundstage and have yourself a nice little package. Make sure your sub can produce the freqs that will be lacking with such small speakers that you're talking about here though.
post #42358 of 51531
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Originally Posted by mond817 View Post

I don't know which sub to get yet, and this Yamaha has been sitting idly for many years. Which sub would you guys recommend? I don't want to invest too much in the sub since the living room is not big. Thinking about the Klipsch RW12d.

ohh, that's a loaded question. Not sure how big your room is Mond - and I'm a basshead. When watching movies, the more bass (for effects) the better, as long as it's good bass (not rumbly clacky stuff).

I strongly feel ID Is the best way to go for bang for buck. There's so many out there too. I personally have two SVS subs, the best they have (PB ultra 13) which from what you say would be way too much but I also have the new PB12 NSD. http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/ported-box/pb12-nsd#.ULv7_qzXa5s

Not sure on your budget but I like it because it's ported and it has a metal grille on the front to protect the driver. Both of the SVS"s make the Yamaha sound like it looks, small. And I paid (18 years ago) around $500 I think for that sub. So $769 delivered to you door today is unbeliveable for what you get. If you can afford it and you have room for it I'd for it.
post #42359 of 51531
Thanks Fears4Ears, I used that code which was better (for this speaker, but not for the v-mini bookshelves, oddly) than the one on their site. Anyhow, WAF won out and I will be doing the veritas mini center as well. thanks again all.
post #42360 of 51531
hey batpig where those veritas of the past like 6 ft high? i heard them about 17 yrs ago.. for 10,000 big ones... in my fav high end audio shop bbr..

if your ever up in toronto check it out..
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