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post #42391 of 47730
12/5/12 at 6:39am
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

It's actually closer to 100Hz. However, even with a brickwall low pass filter there will still be a lot of content above the crossover frequency. That's because subwoofers (all speakers, actually) create harmonics of the source signal, so while the signal into the sub may be 80Hz. there will be audible harmonics at 160 and 240Hz, if not even higher. Additionally, the louder the sub is played the higher the harmonic content, and the easier it is to localize. For these reasons you may need to take the crossover frequency even lower than 80Hz to eliminate localization.

I wish to add my grain of salt to that. While it's perfectly true that harmonics may be localized since they get generated above 80-100 Hz, they're not un-avoidable. If you have a signal and the sub reproduces it perfectly with no (or more realistically, negligible) distortion, then there's no audible harmonics that are generated. Unwanted harmonics appear because of distortion and become audible when a sub is pushed at (or close to) its limits. If it's not the case then there's no reason to fear localized harmonics.

(One way to understand harmonics: any signal can be decomposed as a sum of perfect tones. Each tone is a single frequency sine wave. If you take that perfect sine wave and squish it because of clipping or non-linear distortion due to the amp or driver being pushed too hard, then the resulting waveform can itself be decomposed as the original, fundamental perfect sine wave, plus harmonics -- overtones -- at multiples of the fundamental frequencies. Thus distorting the signal results in unwanted harmonics at higher frequencies).
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post #42392 of 47730
12/5/12 at 8:30am
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Originally Posted by Fears4Ears View Post

I hope I helped someone on ths forum get the speakers of their dreams. But yeah...they tend to not double-box the outlet stuff. I was lucky enough to catch the delivery guy with mine and he helped me unbox them. They had BAD damage and he had no problem taking them back. The thing is they looked like they had been damaged before being put in the box! I went ahead and ordered new ones and they were double-boxed and flawless. Vann's doesn't seem to be directly connected with the outlet warehouse so you do take your chances.
Has anyone here had any experience with the ebayer that has the V6.3's for $1499 a pair with free shipping. The listing says they double-box and they ship to Canada as well. Seems like a pretty good deal. There's also someone that keeps coming up with damaged ones for really cheap that look like Vann's or somebody just doesn't want to deal with trying to sell them. Buyer beware but also keep your eyes open for deals.
P.S.:
Just saw this on an ebayer's item for sale. He wants to make SURE this is a satisfying transaction!
"This item is regular goods of Japan.
The box might be deteriorated in my wear house
However, the item is surely unused.
After completing your payment,
I am handing the item as soon as possible.
And I try to be satisfied for you".
(And no, I wasn't ordering sex aids).

I have purchased from this guy before who has the V6.3's for sale. He is in Wisconsin, cant remember the name of his store though.
He shipped fast and double boxed my V-SW10. Arrived in perfect condition. I would purchase from him again. Also he is an authorized
Energy store, so you will have your warranty. He also includes a sales reciept in the packaging.
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post #42393 of 47730
12/5/12 at 1:23pm
Is Klipsch dissolving the Energy brand or Energy introducing a new speaker line and thats why stores are trying to move them out?
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post #42394 of 47730
12/5/12 at 1:41pm
My v6.3 ordered from wwstereo just came in yesterday. Not double-boxed. Some "dents" on the Energy carton box and there's a "cut" right in the middle but overall the packaging held up well enough. Everything inside looks good.

It was late last night by the time I set the two towers up, so the volume was set to pretty low. I didn't redo Audessey calibration, but I hear pretty bad high tone (I guessed it's the high since the tweeters sound "cracking") when listening to music. Movie was fine although vocal was very weak while the sound effect was very loud. BTW I was playing the media on PS3. Is it normal before break-in? Or redo Audessey will fix it?
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post #42395 of 47730
12/5/12 at 2:07pm
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Originally Posted by mond817 View Post

My v6.3 ordered from wwstereo just came in yesterday. Not double-boxed. Some "dents" on the Energy carton box and there's a "cut" right in the middle but overall the packaging held up well enough. Everything inside looks good.

It was late last night by the time I set the two towers up, so the volume was set to pretty low. I didn't redo Audessey calibration, but I hear pretty bad high tone (I guessed it's the high since the tweeters sound "cracking") when listening to music. Movie was fine although vocal was very weak while the sound effect was very loud. BTW I was playing the media on PS3. Is it normal before break-in? Or redo Audessey will fix it?


welcome and enjoy your new setup ,did you check all the connections?probably it can be a bad tweeter,You can do a tweeter test but be careful not to blow the tweeters with the test.Because the high speaker terminal is combine with the mid range speaker and tweeter the test will only play on the high frequencies that way you will be able to only listen for any anomalies on the tweeters.
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post #42396 of 47730
12/5/12 at 3:55pm
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Originally Posted by Agent 504 View Post

Is Klipsch dissolving the Energy brand or Energy introducing a new speaker line and thats why stores are trying to move them out?

Really it's Audiovox now, not Klipsch.... But no one really knows. Energy claims on their Facebook page that they have "exciting new products" coming out but so far under Audiovox all we've gotten is some computer speakers, sound bars, and "power" subwoofers with crappy specs.
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post #42397 of 47730
12/5/12 at 6:10pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Really it's Audiovox now, not Klipsch.... But no one really knows. Energy claims on their Facebook page that they have "exciting new products" coming out but so far under Audiovox all we've gotten is some computer speakers, sound bars, and "power" subwoofers with crappy specs.

I'm new to the brand, but it's a shame what's happening to Energy. There's enough companies making entry level speakers. I'm waiting for them to make an Xbox headset next frown.gif
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post #42398 of 47730
12/5/12 at 11:39pm
Been reading various AVS forum posts for a while and finally subscribed. Got a question regarding a pair of older Pro 22s (bought new in 1983 - I think). After I blew a woofer, I set them aside and haven't used them in a few years. Finally dug them out and got a woofer to install. Hooked 'em up and nothing out of either tweeter. Not even static. Any ideas? Worth fixing? Really loved their sound, but want to be realistic w/$$$$ regarding fixing them - they are 30 years old. Haven't contacted Energy yet about tweeter availability, think they are? These are the Pro 22, not the Connoisseur 22.

BTW, just bought the Energy 5.1 Take Classic system. Any comments/suggestions on hooking it up? Will be doing all ceiling mounts and looking for mount suggestions. Got a few mounts in mind, but haven't bought any yet. Also very open to speaker placement suggestions.

Any help/advice/comments/suggestions on either of above appreciated.
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post #42399 of 47730
12/6/12 at 7:58am
Dolby Speaker Placement guide: http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/setup/connection-guide/home-theater-speaker-guide/index.html
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post #42400 of 47730
12/6/12 at 9:43am
^^^ @4thChoice -- the Pro 22's tweeter is notorious for eventually burning out. You should verify first that they aren't merely disconnected or something, but that old tweeter design will eventually fail.

Energy no longer stocks parts for these speakers, given their age. There is a guy in Halifax (Canada) who bought up the remaining parts stock and will do tweeter rebuilds, however, if BOTH of them are burnt out then it's likely cost prohibitive ($300+).
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post #42401 of 47730
12/6/12 at 11:53am
Dang I'm obsessed with older Energy Speakers. Just picked up a pair of e:xl16's for $40. Last month picked up a pair of e:xl15's for $30. My current setup's are a little outdated...but they still sound great.

HT:
Connoisseur C5
Connoisseur C-C1
Connoisseur C-R1

Loft (daughters playroom):
Take FPS X3
Take LCR x2

Garage
e:XL-16
e:XL-15
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post #42402 of 47730
12/6/12 at 2:05pm
love it smile.gif those older Energy's are awesome values. It's hard to keep perspective given the crazy blow-out pricing we've seen the past couple of years on RC's and now the new Veritas, but if you are diligent you can build an awesome setup for not a lot of cash by pursuing older stuff.

Those original C-series "Connoisseurs" are especially awesome values. You need to keep your eye out for a C-C3 to upgrade the C-C1 center, that will be a nice step up.
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post #42403 of 47730
12/6/12 at 2:08pm
Hi all, I just picked up an RC-LCR (thanks losservatore!) to complete my 5.1 set up. I'll be using my RC-10s for my surrounds. My placement options are slightly limited: Basically, I can either put them a couple of inches behind the couch on both ends (on 36" stands - the back of the couch is roughly 32" high) or on the sides but at about a 70 degree angle (not the suggested 90-110 degrees that Dolby recommends). I feel that placing them at 70 degree angle kind of defeats the purpose since they will technically be in front but I'm not sure how great they would be behind the couch either (I also don't know if Audyssey will help mitigate any issues with either placement). Any suggestions are appreciated - I've attached two photos of the space to give an idea. Thanks for any help!


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post #42404 of 47730
12/6/12 at 2:38pm
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Originally Posted by gpron View Post

Hi all, I just picked up an RC-LCR (thanks losservatore!) to complete my 5.1 set up. I'll be using my RC-10s for my surrounds. My placement options are slightly limited: Basically, I can either put them a couple of inches behind the couch on both ends (on 36" stands - the back of the couch is roughly 32" high) or on the sides but at about a 70 degree angle (not the suggested 90-110 degrees that Dolby recommends). I feel that placing them at 70 degree angle kind of defeats the purpose since they will technically be in front but I'm not sure how great they would be behind the couch either (I also don't know if Audyssey will help mitigate any issues with either placement). Any suggestions are appreciated - I've attached two photos of the space to give an idea. Thanks for any help!


Nice set up you got there
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post #42405 of 47730
12/6/12 at 2:44pm
that's going to be tough with such an open floor plan. If you place them right on the sides of the couch you are going to have issues with the fact that the direct-firing speakers are so close to the listeners.... will probably be OK in the middle seat but somebody sitting on either end will get overwhelmed by the closer surround. Audyssey will help balance the levels but it can't make the speaker diffuse.

my suggestion is to ceiling-mount the RC-10's to either side of the couch, a few feet out, maybe a foot or two behind, and angled down towards the couch. This will provide some physical separation and also keep the floor space clear. Frankly, in a room that good looking, I wouldn't WANT to have two RC-10's sitting on stands out in the open.

or, if you are cutting holes in the ceiling anyway, you could sell the RC-10's and just install two of these: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-WxmXPd0Am0G/p_732RC6CST/Energy-RC-6Cst.html
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post #42406 of 47730
12/6/12 at 3:30pm
Thanks for your help hernanu, I will head over the subwoofer section and see what is recommended. I guess nothing particular I should look for to pair with these (budget for probably $500 and under for the subwoofer).
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post #42407 of 47730
12/6/12 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by gpron View Post

Hi all, I just picked up an RC-LCR (thanks losservatore!) to complete my 5.1 set up. I'll be using my RC-10s for my surrounds. My placement options are slightly limited: Basically, I can either put them a couple of inches behind the couch on both ends (on 36" stands - the back of the couch is roughly 32" high) or on the sides but at about a 70 degree angle (not the suggested 90-110 degrees that Dolby recommends). I feel that placing them at 70 degree angle kind of defeats the purpose since they will technically be in front but I'm not sure how great they would be behind the couch either (I also don't know if Audyssey will help mitigate any issues with either placement). Any suggestions are appreciated - I've attached two photos of the space to give an idea. Thanks for any help!


Since you do have room restrictions how about using the rc-10's as front wides? I have experimented with front wides and left and right with center channel and actually like them.

All your speakers are front firing so you would get a direct sound hit.
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post #42408 of 47730
12/6/12 at 3:50pm
you still need surrounds though, you can't run any "extra" speakers until you have the "core" 5.1 setup complete.
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post #42409 of 47730
12/6/12 at 3:52pm
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Originally Posted by pghflyer View Post

Thanks for your help hernanu, I will head over the subwoofer section and see what is recommended. I guess nothing particular I should look for to pair with these (budget for probably $500 and under for the subwoofer).

well, there is SOMETHING in particular in that, with the Mini's, you want a sub that will be flat above 100Hz so you can blend them properly with those small speakers (that really need about a 120Hz crossover). At the $500 price point, if you want something compact I'd look hard at the new SVS sealed powerhouse SB-1000: http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/sealed-box/sb-1000#.UMEvioM8B8E
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post #42410 of 47730
12/6/12 at 3:53pm
Thanks for pointing that out, I didnt think about that
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post #42411 of 47730
12/6/12 at 5:55pm
If I have the surrounds a few inches behind the couch about 1 foot above ear level pointed towards the front wall and slightly toed in (or not?), are they still too close to the listening position?
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post #42412 of 47730
12/6/12 at 8:09pm
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Originally Posted by gpron View Post

If I have the surrounds a few inches behind the couch about 1 foot above ear level pointed towards the front wall and slightly toed in (or not?), are they still too close to the listening position?


I highly recommend the mirage omnipolar speakers for your living room, I'm not sure if they are discontinued like many energy products, mirage is from the same company that owns energy but you can always found then on ebay.


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post #42413 of 47730
12/7/12 at 12:15am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

love it smile.gif those older Energy's are awesome values. It's hard to keep perspective given the crazy blow-out pricing we've seen the past couple of years on RC's and now the new Veritas, but if you are diligent you can build an awesome setup for not a lot of cash by pursuing older stuff.
Those original C-series "Connoisseurs" are especially awesome values. You need to keep your eye out for a C-C3 to upgrade the C-C1 center, that will be a nice step up.

I would love to find a C-C3. I've been looking for a while, but there isn't any out there. I bought the Connoisseurs setup brand new many years ago. I just love the sound, and I never get tired of hearing it. The C-C1 is a little weak as the C5's tend to over power it. Which is why I have been looking for the C-C3. If I find one, the C-C1 will go into the garage system.
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post #42414 of 47730
12/7/12 at 12:23am
Energy Take Classic 5pc Speaker System $119.99 at Woot! They started at $149.99 tonight but actually dropped the price when someone pointed out that it wasn't that great a deal. Gotta love woot! They got me started with my Energy collection. I still have my 4x C-100's and C-C50, C-C100 centers in boxes. Sounded great until I compared them to the RC series.
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post #42415 of 47730
12/7/12 at 5:09am
Anybody selling Energy Point 1e speakers from 1993?

Regards
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post #42416 of 47730
12/7/12 at 7:58am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

....you want a sub that will be flat above 100Hz so you can blend them properly......

Thanks much batpig. I have added the SB-1000 to my watch list. Is there a spec I should look for to see that if I wanted to look around?
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post #42417 of 47730
12/7/12 at 11:00am
I have a slight variation on the 'should I get the V-Mini' question. I just upgraded my fronts to Veritas 6.2 and V-Mini-C (no room for the 5.2) from the Take 5. The Takes are now the surround speakers in a 7.1 setup but I am wondering if the minis are worth the upgrade. My variation is that I have the original Canadian made Take system from the late 90's. Is what I have that much better or is it still worth it to upgrade? My room is pretty big, about 400 square feet with 13' ceilings and the surrounds are all about 6' from the couch.

While my wife is OK with what we have now since they are pretty small (which is why I would only replace them with the V-Mini), she would prefer in-wall surrounds if possible. If I decided to go that route, what would work best with the Veritas or is that not advisable?

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post #42418 of 47730
12/7/12 at 11:49am
IMO this really depends on how loud you listen -- the better build, slightly larger size and bigger woofers of the Mini's will be able to handle high volume more easily than the little Takes.

But if you'd prefer to go in-wall, snatch up these RC in-walls before they are gone: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-THzA0DRe9Yw/p_732RC6CST/Energy-RC-6Cst.html

They would be even better than the Mini's.
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post #42419 of 47730
12/7/12 at 11:57am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

But if you'd prefer to go in-wall, snatch up these RC in-walls before they are gone: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-THzA0DRe9Yw/p_732RC6CST/Energy-RC-6Cst.html

Batpig, I had an eye on those a few months ago. They're quite a hassle to get since I'd have to use the Kinek trick to import them in Canada. What I had in mind was using some (a pair, probably) for the dining area, and another pair as surround backs in the living room. Now at $120 they're quite cheap but Crutchfield also has the RC-6C at $80, which is, well, even cheaper.

In the dining area I was tempted to use the dual tweeters as "stereo" speakers to play both channels at each speaker location. In the living room, I know that dipole speakers are recommended for surrounds; what do you think about having RC-10s for surrounds (side) but RC-6Cst in dipole mode as surround backs? Is this a waste of money vs just using the RC-6C (which have aimable tweeters)? No, I can't put anything behind my couch nor mount the RC-10s as surround backs, that's why I was looking at ceiling speakers in the first place.
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post #42420 of 47730
12/7/12 at 12:00pm
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Originally Posted by guyincognitoo View Post

I have a slight variation on the 'should I get the V-Mini' question. I just upgraded my fronts to Veritas 6.2 and V-Mini-C (no room for the 5.2) from the Take 5. The Takes are now the surround speakers in a 7.1 setup but I am wondering if the minis are worth the upgrade. My variation is that I have the original Canadian made Take system from the late 90's. Is what I have that much better or is it still worth it to upgrade? My room is pretty big, about 400 square feet with 13' ceilings and the surrounds are all about 6' from the couch.
While my wife is OK with what we have now since they are pretty small (which is why I would only replace them with the V-Mini), she would prefer in-wall surrounds if possible. If I decided to go that route, what would work best with the Veritas or is that not advisable?
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

IMO this really depends on how loud you listen -- the better build, slightly larger size and bigger woofers of the Mini's will be able to handle high volume more easily than the little Takes.
But if you'd prefer to go in-wall, snatch up these RC in-walls before they are gone: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-THzA0DRe9Yw/p_732RC6CST/Energy-RC-6Cst.html
They would be even better than the Mini's.

Batpig is right....those are better speakers for surrounds. But make sure your walls are thick enough. Most walls are just 1/2" plywood with 3.5" thick 2x4's. Those speakers require a 5" mounting depth so a typical wall wont work. However, tthey would work in the ceiling just fine!
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