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I have a fairly large room @ 15 x 25. My 2.35 screen is about 120 inch wide and I currently have the RC10 as my L/R with an AC-300 as the center. This has worked well but the AC-300 is moving upstairs to go with my C-6's in the living room. Would the RC-LCR be the best match for the RC10's? If so I am having trouble locating a decent price on a new or a used one. Or are there other energy speakers I should consider for my center with the RC10s?

Thanks

Darin
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The RC-LCR is your best option period. They show up all the time on eBay so be patient and diligent. It will be worth it.
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Impressive measurements. It looks like the Jamo and Klipsch are neck and neck, with the Klipsch offering greater undistorted output above 25Hz but the Jamo measuring deeper and flatter. Looks like $280 for that Jamo is a steal, go for it! With its sealed design and flat response it should be very clean and "tight" which will blend well with the little satellites.

Indeed. I just pulled the trigger and it should be here the 24th. Too bad I won't have a chance to set it up until after Christmas!

Thanks for all the advice, Batpig and cel4145. I'm sure I'll be back for more discussion!
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Originally Posted by Fears4Ears View Post

The RC-LCR is your best option period. They show up all the time on eBay so be patient and diligent. It will be worth it.

Thanks for the advice. In a very wide setup like mine, would 3 RC-LCR's be better accross the front (laying on their side) or 2 RC10 and the RC-LCR for a center? Anyone compare these two setups?

This will be paired with an Onkyo 818 if that matters...

Thanks again.

Darin
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Originally Posted by dj7675 View Post

Thanks for the advice. In a very wide setup like mine, would 3 RC-LCR's be better accross the front (laying on their side) or 2 RC10 and the RC-LCR for a center? Anyone compare these two setups?
This will be paired with an Onkyo 818 if that matters...
Thanks again.
Darin

3 LCR's would be better because they are a superior speaker to the RC-10's. They are a true 3-way design with 2 woofers vs. a 2-way design with 1 woofer. I've never seen the LCR's used as fronts laying on their side, but I like the idea. I guess it would be a bit wider sounding with the woofers spread out more......

But to answer your question, the 3 LCR's across the front is a much better setup period. If you go that route, you can try them vertical and horizontal as fronts and compare the 2 setups. Then post your findings here of course. We all would appreciate that.
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Originally Posted by kgallerie View Post

3 LCR's would be better because they are a superior speaker to the RC-10's. They are a true 3-way design with 2 woofers vs. a 2-way design with 1 woofer. I've never seen the LCR's used as fronts laying on their side, but I like the idea. I guess it would be a bit wider sounding with the woofers spread out more......
But to answer your question, the 3 LCR's across the front is a much better setup period. If you go that route, you can try them vertical and horizontal as fronts and compare the 2 setups. Then post your findings here of course. We all would appreciate that.

I just may do that and if I do I report what I find. I have a pair of C6's in my living room that I have had for some time and like quite a bit. How does the rc-lcr compare to the C-6 generation of speakers?

Thanks

Darin
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You can use your RC-10's as a benchmark for the comparative sound of the RC's vs. the older C series. I haven't heard the C-6's but I have the RC-10's + RC-LCR and have also owned both AC-300's (a pair used in a stereo setup) and the C-2's (now living with a good friend).

IMO the biggest difference (besides the changes to build quality, e.g. smaller, real wood veneer, etc) is the tweeter. The RC tweeter is so smooth and refined sounding, whereas the older aluminum dome tweeter on the C's / AC-300 is a bit brighter.

As an FYI, there is a guy on eBay selling three RC-LCR's as a set: http://www.ebay.com/itm/3x-Energy-Speakers-RC-LCR-Left-Center-or-Right-Speakers-/251198873839
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Thanks for your reply. I may pick up the set of 3 and see which is better... 3 lcr or 2 rc10+1lcr. Thanks again for the info.
post #42639 of 51439
from my understanding base trap in the corners front and back.. should go floor to ceiling..


im off to build another... real ez to build.. for the corners 6 inch of roxul safe n sound.. super trap would me 17 x 17 x 24 solid floor to ceiling take about 3 bags tho..
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In other news I'm glad to report a fully functioning EQed dual-sub setup (using SVS PC12-Pluses). They blend perfectly with the RC-70s and smaller brethren, at least when you close your eyes rolleyes.gif I found the best location seems to be beside each front main, flanking the TV, in my case. Well the RC-70s now look like fragile toys beside those black water heater-shaped subs.
Oh hell yeah.... bring on the bass !! I am now running dual DIYs. It is definitely "ample" LFE for movies now. I am finally satisfied... smile.gif Great setup dude... just awesome. My next move is to get the 70s down with them in about a year or 2, along with the LCR...
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

looking at your set up a bit more Neutro
i think you could do wonders to your room getting rid of the table... mount the tv on the wall ( ez if you have studs in there?) if not still ez..
get a small riase table bench to stack the equipment and move the speakers in off the side wall a bit.. there are way to close.. you could try putting the subs in the back corners..

Are you talking about the table on which the TV now rests? I don't think it would change much in terms of acoustics and this piece of furniture provides *lots* of storage, not sure I'd be able to put everythin in a rack or bench. Yes, there are studs in the wall but I worry a bit about piercing the vapor barrier. Also if I want to put cables in the wall I'll have to remove a patch of drywall because there's insulation and a horizontal cross-brace behind. I'd more probably settle on a piece of plastic tubing to hide the wires. Anwyay if the LCR is close enough to the TV bottom it won't show much. Yet considering the amount of damage I'll do to that wall, I want to make sure my GF wants to keep the furniture arranged this way first.

I hesitated a bit deciding which to place on the interior and which on the exterior between the RC-70s and the subs. However the room is very small: I have less than 11' in width there. Putting the mains at the interior position would make them maybe 5-6' apart, which would reduce their separation, and make the angular spacing quite a bit narrow. It wouldn't help with the obstruction either. Plus, it is generally recommended to put the subs in the inside position, although I'm not sure why. Probably because if they're a bit localizable then uper bass then seems to come more from the center than the side.
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my 2 cents.. my simple base trap cost less than 20 each stack 2 floor to ceiling.. in each corner.. use a fabric of your choice..you could also hang a few base traps off the ceiling in the
in front of centre in the room.. do wonders there too.. im just getting into it myself but have been in some really cool listening rooms ( living rooms too)
cheers..

Thanks but that is not happening biggrin.gif Best I could probably do is use two Auralex Grand Gramma pads each under a sub and a tower, and maybe bass traps / acoustical panels behind the tower and subs, but not higher -- as said previously, this is a common living room and I already stretched what little freedom I had quite a bit by purchasing the subs biggrin.gif I could work and invest quite a bit on room acoustics but the fact is, I don't have much to complain now. Bass was quite a bit unequal before the dual subs but now that's taken care of and I'm quite happy with the results. Not shown on the picture above are the surrounds, which are at ideal location (2' above the listener's heads, at angles behind) and it's way better than the strange 7.1 setup I had before (sides too close, and backs dropped behind the couch)
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Originally Posted by Fears4Ears View Post

Neutro:
A wild and crazy thought. You could put bass traps in the corners, build triangular shelves behind them, and set your RC-70's on the shelves. There actually is no sound coming from the lower 14 inches of the 70's and I'm thinking the traps wouldn't have to be as tall as the subs so we're not talking about setting them on TOP of the subs. Then you could mount the center on top of the TV with one of the mounts that's available. You would have to aim everything down a bit but...

I'll think about that but I don't think shelves for the RC-70s are going to happen either biggrin.gif Plus, they are in fact at the ideal height right now (tweeters at about ear level when seated). Aiming the RC-70s down would pose some problems also (chains? rolleyes.gif). No clearly I think I could try the Gramma under the subs and 70s to raise them a few inches and act as trap (although then again, the orange wall being an exterior wall, the floor there has much less wobble than elsewhere in the room and I get much less rattle with the subs there; the $200 spent on the Gramma maybe wouldn't be that useful); and eventually hang the TV on the wall and put the LCR on top of the table/HT cabinet. If my GF didn't pay a larger part than me for that living room I'd probably have a few panels up higher but I don't think that would get approved right now. The long term goal anyway involves quite a bit of reno / remodel work and have a dedicated HT room in the basement.
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Oh hell yeah.... bring on the bass !! I am now running dual DIYs. It is definitely "ample" LFE for movies now. I am finally satisfied... smile.gif Great setup dude... just awesome. My next move is to get the 70s down with them in about a year or 2, along with the LCR...

Thanks man smile.gif Yeah, I have enough LFE now for sure but it was less output and more balance / uniformity I was after. Well I got that PLUS loads of output of course. The problem now is finding time alone to listen to that setup at the volume I want. This is much harder than building the setup itself...
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

You can use your RC-10's as a benchmark for the comparative sound of the RC's vs. the older C series. I haven't heard the C-6's but I have the RC-10's + RC-LCR and have also owned both AC-300's (a pair used in a stereo setup) and the C-2's (now living with a good friend).
IMO the biggest difference (besides the changes to build quality, e.g. smaller, real wood veneer, etc) is the tweeter. The RC tweeter is so smooth and refined sounding, whereas the older aluminum dome tweeter on the C's / AC-300 is a bit brighter.
As an FYI, there is a guy on eBay selling three RC-LCR's as a set: http://www.ebay.com/itm/3x-Energy-Speakers-RC-LCR-Left-Center-or-Right-Speakers-/251198873839

Worked out a pretty good deal on 3 LCR's. I am gonig to replace my 2 rc-10, 1 AC-300 setup and see how it goes. I will experiment with all 3 horizontal/Vertical configurations below my screen. Should I set these as small or large in the speaker setup on my Onkyo 818?

Darin
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congrats! Let us know how it goes!

Small, always small: http://www.audyssey.com/blog/2009/05/small-vs-large

RC-LCR's have solid bass response down to ~50-60Hz or so but they are not full range speakers.
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Thanks for info on setting them all to small. Haven't done much looking into Audyssey yet but with the new speakers and the new receiver coming, looks like it is time smile.gif
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although you aren't getting a Denon, all the Audyssey stuff is basically the same. I've collected a lot of links here: http://batpigworld.com/wp/?page_id=37

start reading, especially those first 3-4 links, and you will learn a lot.
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Wasn't somebody looking for the Energy C-C3 center recently? There's one on ebay right now.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Energy-C-C3-Connoisseur-Center-Channel-Speaker-/170960513183?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item27ce0a689f

Predecessor to the RC LCR.
post #42647 of 51439
Hi Neutro

with studs in wall pretty simple to mount tv on the wall get a good tv mount.. vapour barrieror with be all right if you hit the studs.. get a stud finder.. or ask the gf.. lol..

your nice bench is a bit wide for your room.. a higher less wide bench, with the tv mounted on wall, would let you move the speakers a bit further off the wall..

3 inches is way to close to the wall.. 18 inches is idea and 2 ft off the back wall.. my speakers are 12 inches off side wall and 2 ft off the back wall.. i was getting
really bad bass resonance on some tunes the bass traps i built really worked.. my speakers are all packed up now ready for exchange tomorrow..

i think to bass traps 24 inches wide in your corners do wonders.. placed in the corner at 45 degrees would be 17 x 17 .. if to much make it 18 wide.. 4ft high..

cheers..
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My new power sound audio xs30 dual 15" driver,Is my first 1,000 + sub and is replacing my energy esw v8 smile.gif

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Energy RC-6C's just went to "Low Stock" on Crutchfield's site. The LAST new RC's available! Maybe some showing up on eBay but those are SO overpriced. And the 70's at fry's. It sure doesn't look like they're in any hurry to sell those. BTW: Those banged-up RC-70's went for $330 with free shipping. Woulda been a steal for behind a screen or in the man cave.

Neutro: If you read up on the Subdudes they mention "Decoupling" from the floor. They let the subs vibrate on their own without the floor's vibration's influencing them. It seemed to help on my S10.3 and it is sitting on carpeted concrete. Hope that helps in your decision to "invest" in some.
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

My new power sound audio xs30 dual 15" driver,Is my first 1,000 + sub and is replacing my energy esw v8 smile.gif

Congrats!!!!!! Just in time for the weekend and the holidays. Let u know how it sounds.
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Losservatore: WOW! All I can say is WOW! I've got an ESW-V8. You could fit EIGHT of them inside that thing! Have fun! Oh, and you REALLY need to look into Subdudes!
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Hey Batpig,

I know we were talking about the V-Mini's for my front setup with the RC-Micros as the surround satellites. I could get a Polk Monitor30 + CS1 series II center setup for the front for about half the cost of the Energy V-mini setup. Any idea how these would compare? Obviously the Polks are significantly larger.

Thamks
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Mantrika, batpig


You two were absoulty RIGHT!!!!!! Those Rc 50s came in on Tuesday I got to ply around with them yesterday, they're heavy suckers but they sound amazing, and I haven't run Odyssey yet. Thanks for talking me into picking those up.

The wife's still not happy but I cant hear her over the explosions from the expendables 2:p. Lmao. Ps. Don't tell her I said that haha
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So glad you liked them. Enjoy them and I am happy that you were able to get them before the holidays.
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

Hi Neutro
with studs in wall pretty simple to mount tv on the wall get a good tv mount.. vapour barrieror with be all right if you hit the studs.. get a stud finder.. or ask the gf.. lol..

Not sure how you know my GF is more skilled than me for that kind of work biggrin.gif But don't worry: I have a stud finder and getting the holes done will be the easy part. I don't want the TV too high but at the same time I want enough clearance for the LCR under it, so I'll have to plan carefully. I already have a mount -- it's way overkill for my TV but it will allow bringing it forward or swivel it to the side if needed. The tricky part will be the cabling if I want to put it in the wall, but the cost-hassle/benefit ratio would be low. In any case (drywall repair or plastic cover) I'll have some paint to do, which is never fun.
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your nice bench is a bit wide for your room.. a higher less wide bench, with the tv mounted on wall, would let you move the speakers a bit further off the wall..

Agreed -- the original position was on the long wall of the room so it was a natural fit. I also agree that speaker placement is not optimal (too close to the wall). But using the foam plugs, really, I don't think it's too bad. Then again maybe I'd see the light with a proper room / treatment. I really think putting the mains closer together would be detrimental to sound stage width as now they're almost at a perfect angular separation. And I can't really bring my main listening position closer to compensate. I think any further improvement, barring maybe risers and bass traps if they're hidden behind the gear, will have to wait until I can build a proper room.
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

My new power sound audio xs30 dual 15" driver,Is my first 1,000 + sub and is replacing my energy esw v8 smile.gif

Great, congrats! But.. How does it sound? biggrin.gif I've heard little feedback about the PowerSounds yet. Looks like an Epik Empire's bigger cousin.

Well I hope you have time right now for listening sessions because in a few months you'll have to turn down the volume when the baby's here smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Fears4Ears View Post

Energy RC-6C's just went to "Low Stock" on Crutchfield's site.

Dang... But I'm still not ready to pull the trigger as this would mean making a trip to the US in the following 30 days. Oh well.
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Neutro: If you read up on the Subdudes they mention "Decoupling" from the floor. They let the subs vibrate on their own without the floor's vibration's influencing them. It seemed to help on my S10.3 and it is sitting on carpeted concrete. Hope that helps in your decision to "invest" in some.

Risers serve 3 purposes: 1) decoupling from the floor; 2) they act as bass traps themselves; 3) they put the sub away from the floor-wall corner. With the previous location my SB12 was in a spot where the floor could move a lot, and was close to air vents that would rattle. There I decoupled the subs with rubber mats and it worked to some extent. Now with much more powerful subs in the room's corners close to an exterior wall, I think the floor is much more rigid there because there's almost no rattling even at high volumes. Maybe the Gramma Pads would help, but one always wonder if they should keep the $200 for a more significant upgrade. Still thinking about it; but in your case, with concrete floor, I doubt it was vibrating a lot, so purposes 2-3 probably were enough for you to hear the difference. Maybe I should do the same.
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

My new power sound audio xs30 dual 15" driver,Is my first 1,000 + sub and is replacing my energy esw v8 smile.gif

You are going to love that biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by tcramer View Post

Hey Batpig,

I know we were talking about the V-Mini's for my front setup with the RC-Micros as the surround satellites. I could get a Polk Monitor30 + CS1 series II center setup for the front for about half the cost of the Energy V-mini setup. Any idea how these would compare? Obviously the Polks are significantly larger.

Thamks

Those entry-level Polks are larger but will not approach the Mini's in terms of quality and refinement. It's really a quality vs. quantity thing there. They are more comparable to the entry-level Energy Connoisseurs (e.g. a setup of CB-10 + CC-10 for example) but personally I think the entry-level Polk stuff is pretty weak. But be aware that those Polk speakers are MUCH larger.

They will have the advantage of deeper bass response allowing for a slightly lower crossover, but the Mini's are a major step up in build quality and have much nicer drivers. What makes the Mini's so great is how high quality they are, able to play really loud without distortion, considering how small they are. If you decide you can swing speakers that aren't quite that small, then the door opens up a bit to other options.

It's sorta apples-to-oranges here...
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Does anyone have any experience with the RC-6C in celing speakers? I'm thinking about pulling the trigger for future use with my current RC setup, and want to know if its worth it. Current setup is RC-70s, RC-LCR, and V-S Surrounds. Would they be better served as rear surrounds? Or coud they be used for heights or wides?
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They're supposed to be on par with respect to other RC products and have the same tweeter and woofers as the RC-10 I believe. The tweeter is aimable. They'd make perfect surround backs -- I was actually thinking about buying a pair for that purpose. They can be put on-wall (for heights or wides) if needed I think, but they are circular so a better fit aesthetically for in-ceiling placement. There were in-wall RC speakers (the RC-6W) but they recently sold out. Crutchfield's RC-6C are the last NIB RC products with the exception of Fry's RC-70s and as noted above, they now mention Low Stock on their page, so if you want them, act fast.
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I would add that they are mainly designed for in-ceiling use....in that it appears from the specs that they need more than 4 inches of depth, which could create some issues with typical 2X4 wall contruction. Ceilings though, typically have more depth. I think they would work fantastic for heights and pretty good for rear surrounds..With their clearance price, you can't go wrong...
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