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post #42811 of 51595
$170 is a steal for those speakers. I paid $240 for mine when it was "on sale" earlier this year.
post #42812 of 51595
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Originally Posted by Szeppelin75 View Post

Ahhhhh, i hate you guys, i just pulled the plug on these Energy Veritas 5.2 speakers, three of them, for $510.00 i couldn't resist. Gonna have to pay close to 170.00 for shipping to Panama and get the TV riser, but who cares! Yeyyyyy.
Ha ha thats what were here for...to spend other peoples money:D
post #42813 of 51595
Just talked to my carpenter, coming in next week to take measurements for the TV riser, has to be tall enough and not deep enough for the Center speaker to fit in. Can't wait for the Veritas to arrive.
post #42814 of 51595
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Originally Posted by CalgaryCowboy View Post

As requested here are some of my impressions on RC70s to V6.3s. I have to mention that I didn't have both at the same time (one set went out and the new one went in) and added a new amp (emotiva XPA-3) at the same time as the V6.3s.


IMHO the V6.3s are better. Maybe slightly but overall better. To clear up something that has come up the V6.3s are NOT bright, just more so than the RC-70s, also they are not forward sounding , once again just a little more than the RC-70s. The sound from both is very similar and if you only had limited exposure to both you would be hard pressed to pick them out. I find a mix of RC and V series work well in a HT application. The most noticable improvements are imaging, sound stage, and low bass. The fix and finish is considerably better.


For those of you considering both price is a factor. I paid $1250each CND for my RC-70s 4 years ago and got the V6.3s as a warranty replacement. At local prices $1950 CND each I would be hesitant to buy as there are lots of options at that price. I think a good/fair price would be 1300-1400. When I got the RC70 I felt that was a fair price and feel the V6.3 are worth more. You have to decide what the upgrade is worth to you and what you can get the speakers at now. If I had to give advice is if you have the budget for the V6.3s go for it. If you are looking at these because of the sale prices then the RC-70s would be the way to go. In other words if you were looking for speakers in general and had a budget of ~$3000 go for the V series when not compared to the deep discounts of the RC-70s they are worth it. If you looking for speakers because the great price then the RC-70s are for you as they are the better deal.


Below I am going to cut and paste some of my old comments on the V series:


I went from RC-70s t Veritas 6.3s and still have RC10s and LCR and can confirm they do have the Energy sound. They are very similiar sounding to the RC line. Same type of construction in TWeeter and woofer.


To my ears the Veritas sounds as good or better then the RC-70s. I added an external amp at the same time so can't see for sure if improvement is because of that. However there are enough techical improvement in the Veritas to say they are better though I doubt you could tell unless you had them at the same time. The overall quality of construction is quite better. As a single guy I did not have to worry about WAF and got the rosenet that don't match anything else and stick out like a sore thumb but a gorgeous sore thumb.


I have never heard or seen the 5.1 but don't like they have a smaller woofer than the RC-10 and with such a small cabinet how many significant improvement could have been made.

I went from RC-70s t Veritas 6.3s and still have RC10s and LCR and can confirm they do have the Energy sound. They are very similiar sounding to the RC line. Same type of construction in TWeeter and woofer.


To my ears the Veritas sounds as good or better then the RC-70s. I added an external amp at the same time so can't see for sure if improvement is because of that. However there are enough techical improvement in the Veritas to say they are better though I doubt you could tell unless you had them at the same time. The overall quality of construction is quite better. As a single guy I did not have to worry about WAF and got the rosenet that don't match anything else and stick out like a sore thumb but a gorgeous sore thumb.


I have never heard or seen the 5.1 but don't like they have a smaller woofer than the RC-10 and with such a small cabinet how many significant improvement could have been made.



Ok, I was in the same possiton and did take the 6.3s. Have the LCR and 10s. I don't find any mismatch at all to the 6.3s. As far as being brighter that is hard to tell without having them both at the same time. If they are brighter it is slight if at all. Check the audioholic review I linked earlier today. If you run audessey or other correction then I boubt you will hear a difference even if there is any. For movies I have a hard time hearing much of a difference to the 70s. For music in 2ch I hear more of a difference all for the better. Better imaging, soundstage, and deeper tigher bass. I did find I had to play around with spacing and toe in compared to where the 70s were to get the most out of them. I also find I like the 6.3s without any eq better then the 70s which I always ran with eq on. One thing though is that I run a external amp now that I did not with the 70s so some of the improvement might be from that.


It is upto you but I would and did take the upgrade. In my mind it IS an upgrade over the 70s. I also think the 70s looked better with the grills off but the 6.3 finnish is much nicer. If you do get them remember to do the break in as I found a big difference in sound as they loosened up.



Well the worst thing going against the new Veritas line is that the RC can still be found at deep discounts. The RC 70 were $1250 for a long time and the 6.3 at $1650 is not that bad. If you read this review http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...3-introduction it sounds like they are more different then it appears to the RCs. Woofers same sized but not the same woofer as it is heavier. 51/2 mid in the RC 5 1/4 mid in the Veritas. Dimensions are different. Internal structure is quite different with the tweeter and mid range woofer in thier own compartment creating a sealed enviroment. I went from the 70s to the 6.3s and honestly they sound better but as with most incremental improvements it is hard to compare without having both at the same time. When the RCs are gone and we see some decent sales on the Veritas I think people will warm to them. The real downside to the new ones is they have absolutely higher end finish which unfortunately we will have to pay for but have no affect on the quality of sound.

hey thanks for this useful post - i am considering the veritas v6.3 as replacements for my polk monitor 70's.
the local best buy has the rc70's on the floor to demo but i can't find the veritas anywhere to demo within a reasonable drive.
would it be safe to say that if i do not "love" the rc70 that i can safely cross off the v6.3's off my list?
post #42815 of 51595
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Originally Posted by benunc View Post

FYI for anyone in the market for a Veritas V5.2, wwstereo has both colors available for $170 after promo code VER52WW. Easily the cheapest I've seen them.
http://www.wwstereo.com/Energy/V5.2CPIANB
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eek.gif that is an insane deal.... the same speaker in Canada is on Sale for the laughable price of $699 after $300 off?! Is that really the same speaker??
http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/energy-energy-veritas-center-channel-speaker-v52cb-single-speaker-v52cb/10155150.aspx?path=e5114658799802c387e80fdfc3322b7een02
Just totally ridiculous...
post #42816 of 51595
I have the cf-70's and cc-5 now but would like to upgrade the center. Would the veritas v-5.2 match the cf-70 or would I have to get the cc-10? The price for the veritas are cheaper than any cc-10 I've seen unless I'm not looking everywhere. Thanks.
post #42817 of 51595
Is the veritas center engineered to work vertically as well though? At this price, I am seriously considering picking up three for a budget front stage in another room but I don't know that they're designed like the RC LCRs, which I believe have a waveguide on the tweeter that disperses sound in the same manner regardless of orientation.

Anybody know how this works on the veritas center?
post #42818 of 51595
I would say yes especially since Energy has a V5.2C package with 3 center speakers and 2 VS surrounds.
http://www.energy-speakers.com/search//?sku=V-5-2-C-HTS

post #42819 of 51595
Plus in the manual it shows that the logo can be mounted on either the top or side of the grill depending on orientation. Although you don't get that diagonal dual midrange design of the RC-LCR, I think it's safe to assume that it will work fine vertically.
post #42820 of 51595
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Originally Posted by mmbuckwa View Post

I have the cf-70's and cc-5 now but would like to upgrade the center. Would the veritas v-5.2 match the cf-70 or would I have to get the cc-10? The price for the veritas are cheaper than any cc-10 I've seen unless I'm not looking everywhere. Thanks.

I think it would probably work fine -- if you are mostly doing movies the centre channel is very important and having your best speaker there isn't the worst thing. It's not ideal but it seems silly to pay MORE for a worse speakers. The Connoisseurs and Veritas are both Klipsch/Energy designs and I imagine have similar tonality, just the Veritas versions are much more refined. If you have a receiver with good room correction (esp. Audyssey or MCACC) the tonal differences should be minimal.

Plus then you have a built in excuse to satisfy that upgrade twitch next time you see a great deal on some Veritas towers tongue.gif

If you have a good sub you might also consider going with THREE of the V5.2s and selling the CF 70s and CC 5. You could probably recoup the $500 and make it a free swap.
post #42821 of 51595
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

If you have a good sub you might also consider going with THREE of the V5.2s and selling the CF 70s and CC 5. You could probably recoup the $500 and make it a free swap.

I am new here, so I apologize if this is ignorant, but how can these small V5.2s sound better than the huge CF-70s? I just can't wrap my head around that...
post #42822 of 51595
Better designed and higher end drivers and crossover on the V5.2. Also perhaps internal bracing. It is very possible they could sound better. Cleaner, smoother, etc.

I'd definitely rather have 3 RC LCR's than the CF-70's.
post #42823 of 51595
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Originally Posted by _Avarice_ View Post

Is the veritas center engineered to work vertically as well though? At this price, I am seriously considering picking up three for a budget front stage in another room but I don't know that they're designed like the RC LCRs, which I believe have a waveguide on the tweeter that disperses sound in the same manner regardless of orientation.

Anybody know how this works on the veritas center?



They are design to work horizontal and as well vertically. The energy speaker grill have two placements for the energy logos ,The logo are a magnet.

post #42824 of 51595
MTM (midrange tweeter midrange ) speakers design are well know to be use both ways vertically and horizontal ,They even work better vertically than horizontal ,there is a lot of proof of that online.
Edited by losservatore - 12/28/12 at 11:40am
post #42825 of 51595
thx for the prodding, gentleman....just grabbed 3!

Too good a deal to pass up.
post #42826 of 51595
These will replace CF70 towers & CC10 center....had originally planned on finding a set of RC70 towers and LCR center, but you just can't beat this price for Veritas quality.
post #42827 of 51595
Jesus christ i knew i HAD to get on this forums today. Thanks to Tang6979 for the tip.- Went home during lunhc and did my measurements of how big the TV riser should be. Now my only question for you guys is wether the front speakers should be where the Take Fives are right now or on top of the gypsum where i marked the red rectangles?, i'm not too shure of putting them there because they might be a little too high from where my ear level is.

post #42828 of 51595
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Originally Posted by Szeppelin75 View Post

Jesus christ i knew i HAD to get on this forums today. Thanks to Tang6979 for the tip.- Went home during lunhc and did my measurements of how big the TV riser should be. Now my only question for you guys is wether the front speakers should be where the Take Fives are right now or on top of the gypsum where i marked the red rectangles?, i'm not too shure of putting them there because they might be a little too high from where my ear level is.

I would move them to the red rectangle location. Not so much for the height, but for the width. I personally like a wider soundstage because it enhances the directionality of the sound. Where your take fronts are currently located, I think they are way too close together.

If you are worried about the height and since you have a nice flat shelf, you could try laying the fronts horizontally on the higher level shelves. There was a brief discussion about that a week or so ago. I think it would work well in your case.

I would use this picture to figure out what the optimal width of your fronts should be based on your listening position, then determine where you should put them. To simplify the angles for you, the distance between your FR and FL speakers should equal the distance of the listening position to the TV/center channel.


Edited by kgallerie - 12/28/12 at 11:51am
post #42829 of 51595
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Originally Posted by kgallerie View Post

I would move them to the red rectangle location. Not so much for the height, but for the width. I personally like a wider soundstage because it enhances the directionality of the sound. Where your take fronts are currently located, I think they are way too close together.
If you are worried about the height and since you have a nice flat shelf, you could try laying the fronts horizontally on the higher level shelves. There was a brief discussion about that a week or so ago. I think it would work well in your case.
I would use this picture to figure out what the optimal width of your fronts should be based on your listening position, then determine where you should put them. To simplify the angles for you, the distance between your FR and FL speakers should equal the distance of the listening position to the TV/center channel.

I'd back this up. Getting the speakers wider will improve the soundstage for both movies and music. Also make sure that the speakers are as close to the edge of the ledge as possible.
post #42830 of 51595
i bit the bullet too this morning and bought 3 of the v5.2 for $510. i currently have rc-10's and an lcr but found them a little laid back and i like my speakers a little brighter and after loservattore did the side by side youtube clip of the rc70 next to the v6.3 i wanted the veritas bad, so now my front stage will be 3 V5.2. i should recoup about 400$ when i sell the rc-10 and LCR, they are less than 2 months old. just have to hide the boxes from the wife.
post #42831 of 51595
I like the idea of putting them all horizontal with the L/R speakers spread wider on the upper shelf. That will keep the tweeters at nearly the same hight and I think will look better aesthetically.

For the trig inclined, placing the speakers such that the distance between the FR/FL is equal to the distance between the listener and the center would put them at an approx +/- 26.5 degree spread, which is nearly ideal at the middle of the 22-30 degree recommendation.
post #42832 of 51595
I ended up ordering one veritas v-5.2 as a replacement for the cc-5. Thanks for the recommendation and if anyone is looking for a cc-5 let me know. Thanks.
post #42833 of 51595
Thanks guys for your input. didn't know that the distance between the two front speakers should be equal to the distance between the main listening position and the TV/center channel. That distance is aprox 10 feet, maybe 9 feet 8 inches, i would have to measure it.

At almost 20 inches width on the Veritas V 5.2 speaker if i follow your adice and place them horizontally on the gypsum shelves i'd have to move the TT to the right. Or, you can't see from this picture, place them really wide, almost close to the side walls, but vertically, maybe not a good idea,, you can see from this old picture what i mean.

Guess placing them in different positions and seeig what works best is the better idea.

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post #42834 of 51595
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Originally Posted by Mikullla View Post

i bit the bullet too this morning and bought 3 of the v5.2 for $510. i currently have rc-10's and an lcr but found them a little laid back and i like my speakers a little brighter and after loservattore did the side by side youtube clip of the rc70 next to the v6.3 i wanted the veritas bad, so now my front stage will be 3 V5.2. i should recoup about 400$ when i sell the rc-10 and LCR, they are less than 2 months old. just have to hide the boxes from the wife.

Too bad i bought three veritas v5.2, i would have bought for $400.00 your rc-10 and LCR. Or maybe not.smile.gif
post #42835 of 51595
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Originally Posted by Szeppelin75 View Post

Thanks guys for your input. didn't know that the distance between the two front speakers should be equal to the distance between the main listening position and the TV/center channel. That distance is aprox 10 feet, maybe 9 feet 8 inches, i would have to measure it.
At almost 20 inches width on the Veritas V 5.2 speaker if i follow your adice and place them horizontally on the gypsum shelves i'd have to move the TT to the right. Or, you can't see from this picture, place them really wide, almost close to the side walls, but vertically, maybe not a good idea,, you can see from this old picture what i mean.
Guess placing them in different positions and seeig what works best is the better idea.
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I dont think thats a bad thing.....personally, I would want my FR and FL to be out closer toward the side walls. Bring the TT in towards the center and the picture on the left side in, and put your FR and FL on the outside of them in a vertical or horizontal position.

But like you said, playing around with them is what will tell you what you like the best. And its the fun part of getting new speakers!!! biggrin.gif
post #42836 of 51595
I would think so, get the two front speakers as far from each other as possible.
post #42837 of 51595
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Originally Posted by Fears4Ears View Post

Then you're going to jump on those Veritas? I sure would at that price, and that special code won't last long.

Snached them up last night. Hopefully they ship soon.

Anyone have a recomendation on a good LCD mounted top shelf for resting a V-5.2c on? TV is a 60" Sharp LCD.

I found a few options:
http://www.amazon.com/ScreenDeck-Shelf-Things-50-Inch-Larger/dp/B004ULOZXS/ref=pd_cp_e_0
http://www.amazon.com/CSB1210-Bracket-CSB-1210-Mounting-Speaker/dp/B00504G0U0/ref=pd_cp_e_2
post #42838 of 51595
I wouldn't put that 21.5lb speaker on the first mount.

The second mount says it holds up to 25lbs.
post #42839 of 51595
hey guys just bought a pair of V 5.2 are they good for side surrounds? which one better for sides v5.2 or v-s

my set up is pair v6.3 center v5.2 pair side surround v-s
post #42840 of 51595
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Originally Posted by Szeppelin75 View Post

Now my only question for you guys is wether the front speakers should be where the Take Fives are right now or on top of the gypsum where i marked the red rectangles?, i'm not too shure of putting them there because they might be a little too high from where my ear level is.

You're basing your speaker placement based on structure and not the receiving end. You can raise or lower the direction of sound travel by shimming (tilting) speakers and what you're looking for is the tweeters for left and right being in line with ear level from seated position. Now how far apart is basically dependent on listening position and when the sound joins together and not being separated from the speakers. Takes some time but start by spreading them the extreme distance available from one another and then bringing them together until a unified sound is achieved. Don't want speaker separation noticeable from the listening position. smile.gif
Edited by 7thSeal - 12/28/12 at 2:45pm
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