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post #42871 of 51489
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

Just dont let this opportunity go smile.gif is the same vanns deal $399.

I already have a pair but the price is so good! Must resist frown.gif
post #42872 of 51489
Just came from FS in Oshawa. They had a stack at the $399 price. So tempting if only they still offered the cherry color to match my lcr.

Anyone able to compare the quality of these compared to 3 or 4 years ago at their peak?
post #42873 of 51489
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Originally Posted by MuaySteve View Post

Just came from FS in Oshawa. They had a stack at the $399 price. So tempting if only they still offered the cherry color to match my lcr.
Anyone able to compare the quality of these compared to 3 or 4 years ago at their peak?
Holy s@$t man get them! Black and cherry match
post #42874 of 51489
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Originally Posted by DustinLH00 View Post

You are technically not supposed to hookup the Bose Acoustimass speakers directly to the amplifier. They are designed to work with the Acoustimass bass module which supposedly reduces the signal going to the speakers. I was told that hooking them up directly to the amp would damage them as they could not handle a direct load like that.
How are they holding up for you?

The cubes are holding up ok right now. I'm not running anything that loud right now. If I'm watching a movie, maybe running the Denon at 40-44db with the CF70's/CC10

thanks for the advice on the sub budget. I may lean towards a $600-700. I'll have to see where I am with money in 6 months. May be better than I'm hoping as well. Just depends what our taxes look like in 2013. I hate having to re-buy things, so that is incentive to go towards a better sub right away. Also have baby #2 coming in June eek.gif, so may not want to run anything too hard for a while anyway, giving me more time to save.
post #42875 of 51489
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

You guys are getting lucky this time rolleyes.gifsmile.gif

yup i just cleaned out the whitby store...

none left there..

try online too ...

hey hey looky looky my new surrounds just arrived!

hey they look just like my front left and rights but there still in route from the warehouse and a 226 credit to boot

5 rc 70s all set with the speakers well maybe 7 biggrin.gif

cheers
post #42876 of 51489
Is like that biggrin.gif when you think too much on sales like this. You miss it in matter of seconds and someone outs will enjoy it and will left you with the desire smile.gif


Why think about color match on a speaker that is not longer in production.


You just miss the opportunity.
Edited by losservatore - 12/29/12 at 7:20pm
post #42877 of 51489
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Originally Posted by MuaySteve View Post

Just came from FS in Oshawa. They had a stack at the $399 price. So tempting if only they still offered the cherry color to match my lcr.

Anyone able to compare the quality of these compared to 3 or 4 years ago at their peak?


only black

buy em buy 5 use the rc 70 as a centre

cheers from oshawa
post #42878 of 51489
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

Is like that biggrin.gif when you think too much on sales like this. You miss it in matter of seconds and someone outs will enjoy it and will left you with the desire smile.gif


Why think about color match on a speaker that is not longer in production.


You just miss the opportunity.

you think 5 rc 70 will do Losservatore with a xpa 5 amp or get 5 xpa 100 mono blocks for stereo..

sure hope it sounds good...


cheers
post #42879 of 51489
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Originally Posted by MuaySteve View Post

...Anyone able to compare the quality of these compared to 3 or 4 years ago at their peak?

Good question. It's a little suspicious that they can still find a load of these whenever they want to.
post #42880 of 51489
Yeah, that's what I'm running - the black RC-70's look awesome and the cherry LCR looks...CHERRY! You will NOT find a deal on cherry RC-70's and you can always leave the grill on the LCR so better to grab them now than to kick yourself later. (I hate to be the one to suggest it but the LCR is real wood so they'd be easy enough to paint/stain black).
post #42881 of 51489
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

you think 5 rc 70 will do Losservatore with a xpa 5 amp or get 5 xpa 100 mono blocks for stereo..
sure hope it sounds good...
cheers

I wouldn't spend on an external amp with these unless you have a huge room or hear your current amp distorting. These are pretty easy speakers to drive at a high efficiency and impedance. You would be way better off putting the money into a Sub or processing. If you are getting 5xRC70's I'd think about getting 2k in sub and audyssey pro before thinking of external amplification. I'd also suggest room treatments but it sounds like you are going in that direction with DIY which is great. If you are handy enough with DIY you would do great doing DIY subs and save a ton of cash. If you don't want to go the sub route maybe something like a denon 4311 with a pro kit. Then you get as much amplification as you would probably need, dual sub equalization and some amazing room correction. I think either of those would give you a much bigger impact than external amplification would. Maybe if you had speakers that were hard to drive but these speakers don't need that much amplification.
Edited by Karn - 12/29/12 at 8:24pm
post #42882 of 51489
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

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Originally Posted by MuaySteve View Post

...Anyone able to compare the quality of these compared to 3 or 4 years ago at their peak?

Good question. It's a little suspicious that they can still find a load of these whenever they want to.

just got 2 rc 70 going in stereo on an old yamaha avr

quality is excellent at lower levels.... the regular priced 399 is in prefect condition.. just open PREFECT CONDITION...


need to have faith in your higher power..

cheers
post #42883 of 51489
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Originally Posted by Karn View Post

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

you think 5 rc 70 will do Losservatore with a xpa 5 amp or get 5 xpa 100 mono blocks for stereo..
sure hope it sounds good...
cheers

I wouldn't spend on an external amp with these unless you have a huge room or hear your current amp distorting. These are pretty easy speakers to drive at a high efficiency and impedance. You would be way better off putting the money into a Sub or processing. If you are getting 5xRC70's I'd think about getting 2k in sub and audyssey pro before thinking of external amplification. I'd also suggest room treatments but it sounds like you are going in that direction with DIY which is great. If you are handy enough with DIY you would do great doing DIY subs and save a ton of cash. If you don't want to go the sub route maybe something like a denon 4311 with a pro kit. Then you get as much amplification as you would probably need, dual sub equalization and some amazing room correction. I think either of those would give you a much bigger impact than external amplification would. Maybe if you had speakers that were hard to drive but these speakers don't need that much amplification.


wow thanks for your imput but your dead wrong .. these speakers wont sing with out 200 wpc of clean power for dynamics and imageing soundstaging etc..

im running a denon 3313 ci alledged 125 wpc x 7 not nearly enough power.. for the dynamics.. you need power.. and amp will give you tighter control bass smother mids and highs

there are rated 250 watts for a reason so you can run em on a 99 dollar reciever with 10 watt/ c sure u will hear find at low levels... but no dynamics and if you try to turn a bit louder
will clipp and possible fry speak could be at notes you cant hear too 25 khz or 10 hz.. alot more speakers are damage from lack of power than too much power

but now you got me thinking i need the xpr 5 with 400 wpc and plus 1000 dampening for super tight bass control.. with these power you dont need a sub..

no sub with power you get a sub u get an amp with it eh.. LOL.. buy an amp... make your rc 70 come alive!!!!!!!!

as for room treatments ive all ready started building my own super bass traps and diffusors..

im just a hack but you need power

and you ever seen a speaker reviewer review a speaker with a 50 watt reciever?????????????????????????////

i got a sub

cheers
post #42884 of 51489
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Originally Posted by Karn View Post

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

you think 5 rc 70 will do Losservatore with a xpa 5 amp or get 5 xpa 100 mono blocks for stereo..
sure hope it sounds good...
cheers

I wouldn't spend on an external amp with these unless you have a huge room or hear your current amp distorting. These are pretty easy speakers to drive at a high efficiency and impedance. You would be way better off putting the money into a Sub or processing. If you are getting 5xRC70's I'd think about getting 2k in sub and audyssey pro before thinking of external amplification. I'd also suggest room treatments but it sounds like you are going in that direction with DIY which is great. If you are handy enough with DIY you would do great doing DIY subs and save a ton of cash. If you don't want to go the sub route maybe something like a denon 4311 with a pro kit. Then you get as much amplification as you would probably need, dual sub equalization and some amazing room correction. I think either of those would give you a much bigger impact than external amplification would. Maybe if you had speakers that were hard to drive but these speakers don't need that much amplification.

just like to add this quote from review

check it out not one mention of adding a sub woofer but adding high end gear..

My advice to potential buyers of the RC-70s would be to spend money on quality electronics to extract everything they have to offer. They can sound very good with budget gear, but their performance was elevated as the quality of the upstream components improved. The RC-70s are certainly revealing. When fed a signal that is as refined as they are, the result is so impressive that one might forget all about upgrading and simply get on with just listening to music. If this isn't the point of being an audiophile, I don't know what is.

http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/energy_rc70.htm
post #42885 of 51489
Well, there's nothing negative about getting more amplification. The point though is the need for more amplification when other components or capabilities will give you more tangible improvement.

Amplification may give you better dynamics, but I would assume a processor like the 4311 can hold its own with efficient speakers. The absence of a sub with speakers that can only reach down to 31 Hz, as good as they are will leave a gap in music and especially in movie performance. Here's a good description of the frequency range of music and what you may be missing by not covering the lower musical range. All sorts of movie special effects dip lower than 31 Hz, so in my opinion, having excellent speakers like the RC 70's and not subs is hamstringing yourself. Just my opinion, though.

From the same review you noted:

"Anechoic sensitivity is given as 92dB (approximately 95dB in a typical room), and nominal impedance is 8 ohms. Such high sensitivity and impedance mean that a modest amplifier should easily drive the RC-70s. I imagine 50-100 watts would be sufficient for most listening, but Energy says the RC-70s can handle up to 250Wpc."

I wouldn't drive these with a 10 watt source, but surely a modern receiver can drive these well. I agree that it would be better to spend on a couple of very good subs and room correction than on amps. Just a note - if you hear clipping from a modern receiver with efficient speakers like these, something is wrong; unless you're driving them beyond reference levels in a large room, they should perform well.
Edited by hernanu - 12/30/12 at 6:00am
post #42886 of 51489
Hey guys, I just got a pair of rc-70 speakers and I'm finding it difficult to get matching center channel (rc-lcr). Do you guys have any recommendations on other possible center channels that will work with these speakers?
post #42887 of 51489
The RC-LCR is available , just not as inexpensive as it was.

You do want to match the speakers with its proper center, since it is important to match the front soundstage. I don't know if the Energy Veritas V-5.2 would work with the RC 70's, since it is similar, but I would think there would be differences. I'd check on ebay or craigslist and see if there is an RC-LCR available.
post #42888 of 51489
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

wow thanks for your imput but your dead wrong .. these speakers wont sing with out 200 wpc of clean power for dynamics and imageing soundstaging etc..
im running a denon 3313 ci alledged 125 wpc x 7 not nearly enough power.. for the dynamics.. you need power.. and amp will give you tighter control bass smother mids and highs
there are rated 250 watts for a reason so you can run em on a 99 dollar reciever with 10 watt/ c sure u will hear find at low levels... but no dynamics and if you try to turn a bit louder
will clipp and possible fry speak could be at notes you cant hear too 25 khz or 10 hz.. alot more speakers are damage from lack of power than too much power
but now you got me thinking i need the xpr 5 with 400 wpc and plus 1000 dampening for super tight bass control.. with these power you dont need a sub..
no sub with power you get a sub u get an amp with it eh.. LOL.. buy an amp... make your rc 70 come alive!!!!!!!!
as for room treatments ive all ready started building my own super bass traps and diffusors..
im just a hack but you need power
and you ever seen a speaker reviewer review a speaker with a 50 watt reciever?????????????????????????////
i got a sub
cheers

As was mentioned previously your own review says the same thing I just said:

Energy rates frequency response from 31Hz-23kHz (+/-3dB). Anechoic sensitivity is given as 92dB (approximately 95dB in a typical room), and nominal impedance is 8 ohms. Such high sensitivity and impedance mean that a modest amplifier should easily drive the RC-70s. I imagine 50-100 watts would be sufficient for most listening, but Energy says the RC-70s can handle up to 250Wpc.

Now that I look at it you've also had other people tell you the same thing back when you first started talking about amplification and you weren't interested in listening to them either so whatever man it's your money.
Edited by Karn - 12/30/12 at 8:36am
post #42889 of 51489
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Originally Posted by Karn View Post

As was mentioned previously you need to read your own review it says the same thing I just said:
Energy rates frequency response from 31Hz-23kHz (+/-3dB). Anechoic sensitivity is given as 92dB (approximately 95dB in a typical room), and nominal impedance is 8 ohms. Such high sensitivity and impedance mean that a modest amplifier should easily drive the RC-70s. I imagine 50-100 watts would be sufficient for most listening, but Energy says the RC-70s can handle up to 250Wpc.
So I guess you probably think your own source is wrong too but seeing as he's a professional reviewer I'd take his word over yours. Now that I look at it you've also had other people tell you the same thing and you've blown their advice off as well so whatever man.

Hey, take it easy.... You and others may have differing opinions on what will get him the best bang for his "room response" buck, but clearly he is intrigued by the power handling capabilities of his RC-70s and is excited to see what really powerful amps can do for him... what exactly is wrong with that? The review you both are citing shows that the 70s are cool in that they can thrive in both environments( lower powered receivers with moderately priced source components and higher end components with big power) He obviously is already into building bass traps and acoustic treatments also.... so he is serious about his room. And he clearly is looking into driving his speakers/system at higher than normal volume levels, so freeing up his "modestly" powered receiver with a couple of powerful amps really makes good sense for HIS situation IMO..... I don't see any reason to take offense.... granted he shouldn't have said that you were "dead wrong" with your prior response because you obviously were not; I think your advice was spot on, but I took it simply as his exuberance over building his system with big towers and big power! And honestly, who doesn't want to do that!smile.gif
post #42890 of 51489
Yeah, he's excited about pumping money into amps, but people are just providing him with good advice. A few post/days ago, he's asking generic questions like wondering how 5 RC-70s will sound and now he's making definitive statements saying they won't "sing" without 200wpc. He certainly has the right to spend his money how he wants. However, I'm thinking that the majority of people, in a situation like his, would suggest that he would find more benefit spending his money on a more capable sub (I think he has a Veritas Sub) vs external amps. Especially since he has a very capable Denon currently. Oh well, to each their own.smile.gif
post #42891 of 51489
hope i like the 3 v5.2 for my front stage as i do like my rc-10 and lcr. i am always second guessing myself.
post #42892 of 51489
Hi Guys i'm new here so please be gentle smile.gif

Anyways i've been searching this thread for a bit but i might as well just ask it here and maybe someone can help me out.
I have a set of Veritas 2.4 speakers and still love those things! I do have one problem though and that is my left speaker has two frozen woofers. I did already found out here that this seems to be design/production fault of Energy and since i bought them back in 2003 and having some conversations with the import company back here in the Netherlands (it's where i live ...ofcourse) but it seems i have to fix this.
Now they had contact with Energy and they order new woofers for my 2.4 but that's gonna set be back €200 a piece. Later this week i found out my middle woofer doesn't produce much sound either so it's gonna be 3 woofers that need to be replaced at €200,- a piece which means a total €600,- or about $775.

After some browsing i also found a guy on ebay selling those woofers with that serial number Z4DR// 51871 (althought the Z was nowhere to be seen on my woofer) for about €84 times 3= €252.

Here's what i'm wondering: fix my speaker with certainty and more expensive official parts? Fix it with the woofers from ebay? Or sell my other speaker someone who needs it for parts? (The last one i would rather not do at all)

I'm just thinking, since Energy made an design/engineering/production fault, what are the chances they all brake down again in a few years?
Might as well just buy the new Veritas speakers and hope they don't fall apart and even more important give the same dynamic sound and heavy punch that the 2.4 do. I love the sound that they give and honestly don't want anything else but if these speakers give me problems every 5 years or whatever or whenever those woofers feel like giving up then i don't feel like fixing em.

Does anyone have good advice for me?

Thnx in advance!

Laurens
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Originally Posted by deano86 View Post

Hey, take it easy.... You and others may have differing opinions on what will get him the best bang for his "room response" buck, but clearly he is intrigued by the power handling capabilities of his RC-70s and is excited to see what really powerful amps can do for him... what exactly is wrong with that? The review you both are citing shows that the 70s are cool in that they can thrive in both environments( lower powered receivers with moderately priced source components and higher end components with big power) He obviously is already into building bass traps and acoustic treatments also.... so he is serious about his room. And he clearly is looking into driving his speakers/system at higher than normal volume levels, so freeing up his "modestly" powered receiver with a couple of powerful amps really makes good sense for HIS situation IMO..... I don't see any reason to take offense.... granted he shouldn't have said that you were "dead wrong" with your prior response because you obviously were not; I think your advice was spot on, but I took it simply as his exuberance over building his system with big towers and big power! And honestly, who doesn't want to do that!smile.gif

I did take it easy on him. The guy says I'm dead wrong about something and quotes a review that says pretty much the exact thing I said so yeah I'm going to let him know about it. Honestly I did take offense at the way he responded to someone that was just genuinely trying to help him. I didn't say anything out of line in my response, I even cleaned it up a little before you reposted the original but whatever I even stand by what I said in the original. I have no problem with someone getting external amps, there are many cases it's appropriate and he's welcome to spend his money in whatever way he wants but I do have a problem with the way he responded to genuine advice. Maybe I should have just turned the other cheek but again I don't think I was out of line in anything I said. I definitely didn't respond to him any worse than he responded to me if anything I was proud of holding back what I really wanted to say.
Edited by Karn - 12/30/12 at 9:46am
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Originally Posted by Laurens81 View Post

Hi Guys i'm new here so please be gentle smile.gif
Anyways i've been searching this thread for a bit but i might as well just ask it here and maybe someone can help me out.
I have a set of Veritas 2.4 speakers and still love those things! I do have one problem though and that is my left speaker has two frozen woofers. I did already found out here that this seems to be design/production fault of Energy and since i bought them back in 2003 and having some conversations with the import company back here in the Netherlands (it's where i live ...ofcourse) but it seems i have to fix this.
Now they had contact with Energy and they order new woofers for my 2.4 but that's gonna set be back €200 a piece. Later this week i found out my middle woofer doesn't produce much sound either so it's gonna be 3 woofers that need to be replaced at €200,- a piece which means a total €600,- or about $775.
After some browsing i also found a guy on ebay selling those woofers with that serial number Z4DR// 51871 (althought the Z was nowhere to be seen on my woofer) for about €84 times 3= €252.
Here's what i'm wondering: fix my speaker with certainty and more expensive official parts? Fix it with the woofers from ebay? Or sell my other speaker someone who needs it for parts? (The last one i would rather not do at all)
I'm just thinking, since Energy made an design/engineering/production fault, what are the chances they all brake down again in a few years?
Might as well just buy the new Veritas speakers and hope they don't fall apart and even more important give the same dynamic sound and heavy punch that the 2.4 do. I love the sound that they give and honestly don't want anything else but if these speakers give me problems every 5 years or whatever or whenever those woofers feel like giving up then i don't feel like fixing em.
Does anyone have good advice for me?
Thnx in advance!
Laurens

I'm by no means an expert on this topic, but you're right; it was a fault of the original 2.4's which is why they released the updated 2.4i. The "i" denotes the updated drivers. Your replacement parts from Energy would essentially transform your 2.4's into 2.4i's and you would be able to enjoy them for many, many more years. If they were mine, I would likely be getting official parts, but if you can verify that the ebayer is selling the newer "i" woofers, that might be a viable option. You will NOT find any current Energy speaker that will give you the same level of performance as your 2.4's, so I would be wanting to repair them and keep them. Don't let the "Veritas" name fool you. The current Veritas line is NOWHERE close to the level of those "legendary" Veritas models. Also, these (2.4i) still sell for over $2000 on the used market (in Canada).
Good luck whatever you choose to do! You're making a lot of Energy owners jealous with those speakers...
post #42895 of 51489
Got a pair or RC-70s from FS at $399 each. Still breaking them in, as the manual says it's VITAL to not play them loud during first 100 hours or it might damage the transducers. So far, I like what I've heard at medium volumes. Not sure I'll keep the receiver I bought to power them - Denon AVR-1713. Seems a little underpowered - I'm running at 50% volume and it's still only at low-to-medium loudness. What amps are people using with these speakers? I'll be using them as 2-channel stereo only, not part of HT.
post #42896 of 51489
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

I think the 301's were not acoustimass speakers, maybe yours are acoustimass 3's?
The 301's were older Bose designs, traditional speakers (pretty good ones too) that they abandoned when they transitioned to the tiny speakers / acoustimass model.

Yep, you're right. My bad. Acoustimass 3, series ii. Definitely a worthwhile upgrade to the RC bundle. smile.gif
post #42897 of 51489
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

just like to add this quote from review
check it out not one mention of adding a sub woofer but adding high end gear...

Note that the review does not cover HT usage. The RC-70s would probably be sufficient by themselves without a sub for many people for music listening (unless one is into EDM and other bass heavy genres).

Now it's particularly telling that in your other recent post, you said that you already had "a sub" and also where you say,
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

but now you got me thinking i need the xpr 5 with 400 wpc and plus 1000 dampening for super tight bass control.. with these power you dont need a sub.

It indicates that you do not understand what role a sub plays in an HT setup & the performance characteristics of subwoofers, and that you are unaware that subs jump quite a bit in quality and performance from what you have. I have the previous version of the 10" Veritas sub you have, and upgrading to a 12" Internet direct sub (an Outlaw Audio LFM-1 EX) made a DRAMATIC difference in HT usage, and also provided some improvement for music listening. That 10" sub now resides in my home office with my desktop computer audio setup with a pair of Veritas 5.1s, which is a good match for it.

Adding amplifiers will not give you that kind of performance increase that a sub can. The RC-70s will NEVER perform at the sub bass level like a very good subwoofer, no matter how much power you put to them.
post #42898 of 51489
wow give him a break people he feels happy of what his buying.Is okay to give a advice but insist and be persistent on what he have to buy is ridiculous.
post #42899 of 51489
see my post below, sorry!
post #42900 of 51489
His previous veritas v6.3 got smoke he thinks it was cause by the receiver,I told him,That is very rare,Because he have a more powerful receiver than mine and I never had a problem with the veritas a loud volumes with a 90watts per channel receiver,But his still worried and insist in buying amps,Thats okay Im not going to argue with him and I will let him enjoy the amps. who do not want amps?
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