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post #42931 of 51437
Hmm seems like I could sell my RC LCR for a higher price. Only used it for a week before I replaced my entire 70s with a AT System 450e thx. Was thinking $200 for it....
post #42932 of 51437
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Originally Posted by Karn View Post

I have the 4311 with audyssey pro and I have the 70's with a HSU ULS 15. It's plenty of room and I have more than enough power. I also did have some ma 700 monoblocks recently as I'm trying to go to 11.1 but one of the amps had issues so I sent them back. There really wasn't a big difference with the monoblock but there was a huge difference with the sub. That was the biggest improvement I've made in my setup outside of the speakers. The audyssey pro calibration is also a huge improvement over the normal audyssey. The reason I suggested you spend in those two areas before amplification is because of what I've experienced with each and how they impacted my experience.

+1
post #42933 of 51437
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

Hmm seems like I could sell my RC LCR for a higher price. Only used it for a week before I replaced my entire 70s with a AT System 450e thx. Was thinking $200 for it....
Can you ship to canada?
post #42934 of 51437
deltadube what is your room dimensions?I have a small living room and my Denon AVR-1911 with only 90watts per channel receiver make the speakers feel the whole living room with authority.Including a 750watts sub that really rumble the sofas and give the slam in my chest.I think its all depends on how big is your room.Never had any problem driving my rc-70s and veritas v6.3.I dont know how much more benefit I can get in my small living room with a amp.


also if you have any openings areas in your living room that can affect the speaker performance and could demand more power.
Edited by losservatore - 12/30/12 at 3:37pm
post #42935 of 51437
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Originally Posted by Karn View Post

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

what avr are you using to drive your rc 70? you want better sound you need more power... clean power...
im going to hook up my rc 70 to the darlington and pickering nuclear power plants and run 10 giga watts of real clean power to em oh yeah baby i want lots of head room
as the article says you need lots of power to get the most ...
POWER TO YOUR RC70
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Actually the article said this:
Such high sensitivity and impedance mean that a modest amplifier should easily drive the RC-70s.

Just like I said in my first post. He said the speakers sound better with a lower noise floor he never says you need a lot of power to get the most out of the RC70. He actually specifically said the opposite and said you don't need a lot of power which should tell you something especially since there's something like 5 people here telling you the same thing. You can power your speakers with whatever you want but to sit here and say you "need lots of power" for speakers which are objectively proven to be easy to drive is a disservice to the people who may not know better.

he said high end is better to get the mostus from you rc 70 sure he said you can hear em with 25w rms reciever but if you want sonic nirvana... you got to have clean power higher end equipment

your not getting the sound the mostus sonic nirvana .. plus the power to crank it up UP.

you can fill your flat stereo sound with big bass wit a sub but is not and still wont be sonic nirvana...

want equipment are you using ? denon 4311 not nearly enought power not even 4520 ci you need amps

i will let you know when i hook up the amps and the massive improvements in sound dynamics music that is ALIVE...
post #42936 of 51437
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

denon 4311 not nearly enought power not even 4520 ci you need amps
i will let you know when i hook up the amps and the massive improvements in sound dynamics music that is ALIVE...

What are you smoking? Those denons have more than enough power.
post #42937 of 51437


for anyone that has opted for 3 RC70s up front that aren't using an acoustically transparent projector screen, please post pics or a description of how you set up your center speaker with your TV or screen. I'd love to try this, but just can't see how it can be optimized both visually and acoustically. above is what i currently have to work with. thanks.
Edited by brendelac - 12/30/12 at 4:21pm
post #42938 of 51437
First post, been lurking for a while now. Have always been good with A/V just need a little assistance with possibly getting a new receiver. Current setup is as follows:

Energy RC-70's
Energy RC-LCR
Energy RC-R's
Energy ESW-V10

Currently running off of a Pioneer VSX-9040TXH (got it for a great price at the time). I'm looking to see about replacing the receiver with something that can drive the system better. Possibly a Marantz SR? 5007/7007? I'm also looking into adding another pair of speakers to bring it to a 7.1 system. Due to my configuration in my basement, those will most likely be in-walls.

So I'm just looking to see if anyone has some input for me smile.gif
post #42939 of 51437
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

he said high end is better to get the mostus from you rc 70 sure he said you can hear em with 25w rms reciever but if you want sonic nirvana... you got to have clean power higher end equipment
your not getting the sound the mostus sonic nirvana .. plus the power to crank it up UP.
you can fill your flat stereo sound with big bass wit a sub but is not and still wont be sonic nirvana...
want equipment are you using ? denon 4311 not nearly enought power not even 4520 ci you need amps
i will let you know when i hook up the amps and the massive improvements in sound dynamics music that is ALIVE...

Once again, I couldn't tell the difference between my 4311 and my 7900. You probably don't understand how much wattage you are using. The only advice you gave that I can agree with is the idea getting a matching center...which can still be tough in many people's situations.
post #42940 of 51437
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Originally Posted by aferreira View Post

First post, been lurking for a while now. Have always been good with A/V just need a little assistance with possibly getting a new receiver. Current setup is as follows:
Energy RC-70's
Energy RC-LCR
Energy RC-R's
Energy ESW-V10
Currently running off of a Pioneer VSX-9040TXH (got it for a great price at the time). I'm looking to see about replacing the receiver with something that can drive the system better. Possibly a Marantz SR? 5007/7007? I'm also looking into adding another pair of speakers to bring it to a 7.1 system. Due to my configuration in my basement, those will most likely be in-walls.
So I'm just looking to see if anyone has some input for me smile.gif

IMHO, I'd get set a Onkyo 818 AVR for the XT 32 and instead of getting the rear speakers get a new sub:D something from the likes of Hsu, PSA, and etc depending on your room. Details about your room?
post #42941 of 51437
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

IMHO, I'd get set a Onkyo 818 AVR for the XT 32 and instead of getting the rear speakers get a new sub:D something from the likes of Hsu, PSA, and etc depending on your room. Details about your room?

Space wise is about 18 ft. deep by about 15 ft. wide (walls front and back, open concept at the sides). At the moment I'm happy with the sub, just really looking for replacing the receiver.
post #42942 of 51437
Why the receivedr though? If you want more power than go with an amp. Id still recommend an 818 though for an avr!
post #42943 of 51437
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

Why the receivedr though? If you want more power than go with an amp. Id still recommend an 818 though for an avr!

I just feel like the system could sound stronger than it already does with the Pioneer. I'd love to go with an AV Separates but can't justify spending that kind of money at the moment. I checked out the 818 and it does seem like a good candidate for a replacement.
post #42944 of 51437
Superior room correction, acoustic treatments, and/or a better sub will be the most dramatic improvements in sound quality you will get. 18x15 isn't that large of a space, power is unlikely to be an issue especially if you stepped up to a top end receiver with XT32 like the Denon 4311 (despite the ravings of a certain spell check impaired poster with the mostus).

Since you mention open concept, it is very likely that you would benefit from another sub despite your current satisfaction. The total volume is almost certainly too much for a single 10" woofer, even one as quality as the Veritas. Let me put it this way -- if you want the system to sound more "powerful", the sub is almost certainly the limiting factor here. Adding more power to get more oomph from the speakers will only expose the sub more.
post #42945 of 51437
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Originally Posted by aferreira View Post

First post, been lurking for a while now. Have always been good with A/V just need a little assistance with possibly getting a new receiver. Current setup is as follows:

Energy RC-70's
Energy RC-LCR
Energy RC-R's
Energy ESW-V10

Currently running off of a Pioneer VSX-9040TXH (got it for a great price at the time). I'm looking to see about replacing the receiver with something that can drive the system better. Possibly a Marantz SR? 5007/7007? I'm also looking into adding another pair of speakers to bring it to a 7.1 system. Due to my configuration in my basement, those will most likely be in-walls.

So I'm just looking to see if anyone has some input for me smile.gif

here some good seperates to conside if you like really clean power

http://ca.denon.com/ca/Product/Pages/ProductLanding.aspx?CatId=3d9614d1-8000-4106-ab91-8192242cab83&SubId=9e677b18-6ff3-42b3-990b-e56953138b47

or to save money

try a few of these

http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/amplifiers/products/xpa100

really would love the 1st myself but i got a beer budget the second will have dramatic effects..

cheers
post #42946 of 51437
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

I totally understand... but he will keep posting even if he is right or wrong.I had been following him since his first posts.

I see what you mean. LOL
post #42947 of 51437
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Originally Posted by aferreira View Post

I just feel like the system could sound stronger than it already does with the Pioneer. I'd love to go with an AV Separates but can't justify spending that kind of money at the moment. I checked out the 818 and it does seem like a good candidate for a replacement.

TBH still I really think the subwoofer would make a big difference. I always thought my PDR10 was great but when I went over to Hsu Research to demo their VTF 2.4 and 3....DAMN. Immediately bought a used VTF2. I was originally going to replace my 1611 but decided the subwoofer was better (I eventually replaced my 1611 lol).

Back on topic, the 818 would be a great receiver for the price! Some fellas got it for $700
post #42948 of 51437
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Superior room correction, acoustic treatments, and/or a better sub will be the most dramatic improvements in sound quality you will get. 18x15 isn't that large of a space, power is unlikely to be an issue especially if you stepped up to a top end receiver with XT32 like the Denon 4311 (despite the ravings of a certain spell check impaired poster with the mostus).

Since you mention open concept, it is very likely that you would benefit from another sub despite your current satisfaction. The total volume is almost certainly too much for a single 10" woofer, even one as quality as the Veritas. Let me put it this way -- if you want the system to sound more "powerful", the sub is almost certainly the limiting factor here. Adding more power to get more oomph from the speakers will only expose the sub more.

you have to realize some of these poster are running low end avrs with no power and its the norm to use sub woofers to boost there systems which will not create sonic nirvana..

its even harder to get sonic nirvana when your mini systems... you got to get a real reciever one day and some real speakers... then add some POWER to make your speaker sing

some sexy female voice dripping out of your speaker is not going to be helped by sub woofers...power from amps will have you in lust...

cheers..
post #42949 of 51437
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Originally Posted by aferreira View Post

First post, been lurking for a while now. Have always been good with A/V just need a little assistance with possibly getting a new receiver. Current setup is as follows:
Energy RC-70's
Energy RC-LCR
Energy RC-R's
Energy ESW-V10
Currently running off of a Pioneer VSX-9040TXH (got it for a great price at the time). I'm looking to see about replacing the receiver with something that can drive the system better. Possibly a Marantz SR? 5007/7007? I'm also looking into adding another pair of speakers to bring it to a 7.1 system. Due to my configuration in my basement, those will most likely be in-walls.
So I'm just looking to see if anyone has some input for me smile.gif

I'm selling my pioneer elite SC 37, looking to upgrade to 11 channels. It is in absolute perfect condition with all original packaging. Pm me if you are interested.
post #42950 of 51437
Thanks for the comments guys. I'm looking into the Onkyo TX-NR818 as a replacement for my current receiver, found it on sale for $800. I understand that replacing the sub with something stronger would probably benefit as well, what do you think about me adding a second of the same sub? Since I'm looking to add in-walls to bring it up to 7.1, I could always add a second sub the bring it to 7.2.
post #42951 of 51437
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Originally Posted by aferreira View Post

Thanks for the comments guys. I'm looking into the Onkyo TX-NR818 as a replacement for my current receiver, found it on sale for $800. I understand that replacing the sub with something stronger would probably benefit as well, what do you think about me adding a second of the same sub? Since I'm looking to add in-walls to bring it up to 7.1, I could always add a second sub the bring it to 7.2.

You could probably find that receiver for a cheaper price if you look around. It's been down to $650 within the past week.
post #42952 of 51437
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Originally Posted by surfer8210 View Post

You could probably find that receiver for a cheaper price if you look around. It's been down to $650 within the past week.

I'm in Canada and this is the cheapest I've been able to find it here.
post #42953 of 51437
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Originally Posted by aferreira View Post

what do you think about me adding a second of the same sub?

The ESW-10, Energy VSW10, and the Mirage Prestige S10 are all essentially the same sub (the parent company of both Mirage and Energy reuses the same sub design). So you could match the ESW-10 with the VSW10. When they were selling for around $300 to $350, they were a good deal.

How big is your room including any open areas that are attached? Room size is a big determinant in how much sub you need.
post #42954 of 51437
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Originally Posted by aferreira View Post

Thanks for the comments guys. I'm looking into the Onkyo TX-NR818 as a replacement for my current receiver, found it on sale for $800. I understand that replacing the sub with something stronger would probably benefit as well, what do you think about me adding a second of the same sub? Since I'm looking to add in-walls to bring it up to 7.1, I could always add a second sub the bring it to 7.2.

Given your awesome RC- speakers, I recommend going with a sub from SVS. They are available from Sonic Boom which shares the same office space as Electronics For Less.

An Anthem MRX avr would also be an excellent match for your RCs; however, the MRX receivers lack a lot of bells and whistles but they have excellent sound quality.
post #42955 of 51437
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post


The ESW-10, Energy VSW10, and the Mirage Prestige S10 are all essentially the same sub (the parent company of both Mirage and Energy reuses the same sub design). So you could match the ESW-10 with the VSW10..

Careful. It's the ESW-V10.
post #42956 of 51437
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

you have to realize some of these poster are running low end avrs with no power and its the norm to use sub woofers to boost there systems which will not create sonic nirvana..
its even harder to get sonic nirvana when your mini systems... you got to get a real reciever one day and some real speakers... then add some POWER to make your speaker sing
some sexy female voice dripping out of your speaker is not going to be helped by sub woofers...power from amps will have you in lust...
cheers..

Ok you don't seem to understand the conceptof a subwoofer...

You talk about getting a serious receiver for power? Not a good idea to look for power from a receiver.
post #42957 of 51437
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

you have to realize some of these poster are running low end avrs with no power and its the norm to use sub woofers to boost there systems which will not create sonic nirvana..
its even harder to get sonic nirvana when your mini systems... you got to get a real reciever one day and some real speakers... then add some POWER to make your speaker sing
some sexy female voice dripping out of your speaker is not going to be helped by sub woofers...power from amps will have you in lust...
cheers..

Ok you don't seem to understand the conceptof a subwoofer...

You talk about getting a serious receiver for power? Not a good idea to look for power from a receiver.

excuse me...

you need some clean power...

put your speaker wire right in the wall socket! LOL
post #42958 of 51437
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

Ok you don't seem to understand the conceptof a subwoofer...

You talk about getting a serious receiver for power? Not a good idea to look for power from a receiver.

Obviously you have never experienced sonic nirvana tongue.gif
post #42959 of 51437
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

excuse me...
you need some clean power...
put your speaker wire right in the wall socket! LOL


Right....like an outlaw 7900 isn't clean
post #42960 of 51437
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Obviously you have never experienced sonic nirvana tongue.gif
Working on it biggrin.gif
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