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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Careful. It's the ESW-V10.

I think I might need built in spell check for Energy model numbers biggrin.gif
post #42962 of 51438
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Originally Posted by DWells55 View Post

As I mentioned earlier, I just picked up an Energy RC-Micro speaker set and am currently looking into grabbing a sub and a receiver. This is my first venture into higher-end home theater. I'm looking to do it pretty cheaply and I'm only going to be filling a small room in an apartment.
That said, can someone tell me if the Pioneer SW-8 would be a good match for the Micros and what I need? The only major concern I have is the fact that it's down-firing. I'm planning on making a DIY riser, but I'm worried that it still might disturb neighbors below me more than a front-firing woofer would. If so, any opinions on the Polk PSW10? It's front firing and certainly more aesthetically pleasing, especially if I paint or vinyl wrap the cabinet in gloss black to match the Micros.
Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
Just bumping this so it doesn't get lost. Hoping to have the system set up in the near future.
post #42963 of 51438
Hi,
I hope this is the correct place to post this.
I recently bough a take classic 5.1 system and i'll be buying an Onkyo 717 or 809 receiver to pair it with.
Can any one please tell me if it's better to just use the L input on the subwoofer or should I use a Y cable to use both the L and R for better sound quality.
http://www.amazon.com/Mediabridge-Ultra-Series-1-Female-Subwoofer/dp/B004EBX5GW/ref=pd_bxgy_e_img_z

Sorry, i'm a noob at this.

Thanks in advance.
post #42964 of 51438
You won't get better sound quality either way, it'll be the same. If you use a Y cable the signal may be a little stronger but it wont sound any better.

This Y cable does the same thing for less.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10236&cs_id=1023603&p_id=6261&seq=1&format=2

If fact you can get a 12ft sub cable and the Y adapter for about $7.50.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10236&cs_id=1023603&p_id=2682&seq=1&format=2
post #42965 of 51438
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Originally Posted by DWells55 View Post

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Originally Posted by DWells55 View Post

As I mentioned earlier, I just picked up an Energy RC-Micro speaker set and am currently looking into grabbing a sub and a receiver. This is my first venture into higher-end home theater. I'm looking to do it pretty cheaply and I'm only going to be filling a small room in an apartment.
That said, can someone tell me if the Pioneer SW-8 would be a good match for the Micros and what I need? The only major concern I have is the fact that it's down-firing. I'm planning on making a DIY riser, but I'm worried that it still might disturb neighbors below me more than a front-firing woofer would. If so, any opinions on the Polk PSW10? It's front firing and certainly more aesthetically pleasing, especially if I paint or vinyl wrap the cabinet in gloss black to match the Micros.
Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
Just bumping this so it doesn't get lost. Hoping to have the system set up in the near future.

Honestly, both subs are basic entry level so it's hard to choose. The Pio will probably work fine if it meets your budget, doesn't sound like you will be playing very loud and an 8" woofer is probably a better bet to blend mid bass with the tiny RC Micro satellites. Obviously neither of these subs will give a ton of output or low end extension.
post #42966 of 51438
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

excuse me...
you need some clean power...
put your speaker wire right in the wall socket! LOL

I'd love to see you try this... and sit there and wonder why there's no music coming out of the speakers.
post #42967 of 51438
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

Happy New Year..
the year of the POWER AMP...
and sonic nirvana...
your ever experience sonic nirvana Batpig? on a 2113 denon that dont even have pre outs... its really a low end reciever.. hard to hear nirvana with that ...
time to upgrade eh..
maybe you need a job...
cheers
I don't get you. You talk about how you'd rather get separates and you say a sub isn't important. So why are you asking in the psa thread about a sub? Troll much?

just making a little conversation on the subject of sub woofers on the psa site

might be interested in one of those subs one day... vs 30 150 lbs nobody will steal it anyways..

heres an experience of a member here who just hooked up a new emotiva amp tonight...

OK.....This has been an experience .....so I got the amp....but the RCA chords I bought from Emotiva dont come in til weds.....The 20 amp line is all hooked up.....I have sum old rca chords ....I hook everything thing up....and FRIKIN ARRRRRRRR !!!!!!! Theres a horrible buzz and hummm.............Im thinking ...I must have hooked sumthing up wrong???? I re-did it 4 or 5 tymz....now the BRAND NEW $1600 amp is faulting and tripping its internal safety switch....AAAARRRRRRRRRRRRR !!!! OK....so now im thinking....the amp is badd..........so I start trouble shooting..............its still lighting up frikin redd.....I find another set of rca chords....and it gets worse.............I finally hook up and use different source....and it starts working fine.....ok so it NOT THE AMP....so what is it??? I find another set of old rca chords and WALLAH !!! it was the old chords I was using becuz the new ones dont arrive for 2 more days.....2 setsof BADD chords in a row !!! I hooked up 2 channels for my mains.....WOW.....I canked sum hard hitting music....sum FIGHT "Into the pit " great dblbass.....and again wow.....its not that its louder......but that its alot cleaner....and the instruments sound better...... separated......the mids and the low mids are more distinct ......I am a HAPPY BOY !!!!!
post #42968 of 51438
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

i got a sub never said anything about subs...
a sub does nothing for your mids and highs 5 hz to 120 hz ok you got it with your sub what about 120 hz to 25000 khz not that i can hear that high..
you guys make it sound like a sub woofer will fix the world
and your avrs take in 600 watts or so of power and put out 900 yeah right where is the science in that LOL
energy is not created in a avr reciever or amp...
that is LAW
heres a good read for some of you rookies like batpig..
http://www.axiomaudio.com/power

A subwoofer for that person probably would've made the biggest difference instead of just getting a more powerful receiver. Batpig is probably THE word on Denon receivers on this forum. Before you go insult him maybe you yourself should learn a thing or too about how much power you really need and how much power you actually might be using. Just because you have a 125wpc doesn't mean you will always be using 125. Once again I am using a 7900 which I couldn't tell a difference at all from my 4311. (-10mv)
post #42969 of 51438
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

just making a little conversation on the subject of sub woofers on the psa site
might be interested in one of those subs one day... vs 30 150 lbs nobody will steal it anyways..
heres an experience of a member here who just hooked up a new emotiva amp tonight...
OK.....This has been an experience .....so I got the amp....but the RCA chords I bought from Emotiva dont come in til weds.....The 20 amp line is all hooked up.....I have sum old rca chords ....I hook everything thing up....and FRIKIN ARRRRRRRR !!!!!!! Theres a horrible buzz and hummm.............Im thinking ...I must have hooked sumthing up wrong???? I re-did it 4 or 5 tymz....now the BRAND NEW $1600 amp is faulting and tripping its internal safety switch....AAAARRRRRRRRRRRRR !!!! OK....so now im thinking....the amp is badd..........so I start trouble shooting..............its still lighting up frikin redd.....I find another set of rca chords....and it gets worse.............I finally hook up and use different source....and it starts working fine.....ok so it NOT THE AMP....so what is it??? I find another set of old rca chords and WALLAH !!! it was the old chords I was using becuz the new ones dont arrive for 2 more days.....2 setsof BADD chords in a row !!! I hooked up 2 channels for my mains.....WOW.....I canked sum hard hitting music....sum FIGHT "Into the pit " great dblbass.....and again wow.....its not that its louder......but that its alot cleaner....and the instruments sound better...... separated......the mids and the low mids are more distinct ......I am a HAPPY BOY !!!!!

Why don't you save the money and get a better amp than? No offense but if that's how the person typed up his findings....kind of makes it questionable. No better than a kid telling me his Dr. Dre's headphones sound awesome lol
post #42970 of 51438
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Originally Posted by DWells55 View Post

Just bumping this so it doesn't get lost. Hoping to have the system set up in the near future.

What's your budget?

For now try checking out the F12 or the PL-200

Hmm...maybe even a lava lsp12
post #42971 of 51438
cant waite to get my rc 70 hooked up still waiting for 1 and 2 in the mail hopefully friday...

when i put on some eric clapton in surround mod do your think i can fry bacon and eggs on the denon when its driving 5 rc 70s? its says it puts out 125 wpc LOL sure it does it can only take in
670 watts.. right!


Power and sonic nirvana you need Power and lots of it....

you want to drive a honda or a ZL1 camaro?

I WANT SONIC NIRVANA

I NEED POWER LOTS OF POWER

im not driving a getto blaster like some other posters LOL

happy new year..

a link why you need power...

http://www.axiomaudio.com/power
post #42972 of 51438
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

cant waite to get my rc 70 hooked up still waiting for 1 and 2 in the mail hopefully friday...
when i put on some eric clapton in surround mod do your think i can fry bacon and eggs on the denon when its driving 5 rc 70s? its says it puts out 125 wpc LOL sure it does it can only take in
670 watts.. right!
Power and sonic nirvana you need Power and lots of it....
you want to drive a honda or a ZL1 camaro?
I WANT SONIC NIRVANA
I NEED POWER LOTS OF POWER
im not driving a getto blaster like some other posters LOL
happy new year..
a link why you need power...
http://www.axiomaudio.com/power

I have more power than you so I must be enjoying a higher level of nirvana while blasting wonderful tonight biggrin.gif
post #42973 of 51438
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

just making a little conversation on the subject of sub woofers on the psa site
might be interested in one of those subs one day... vs 30 150 lbs nobody will steal it anyways..
heres an experience of a member here who just hooked up a new emotiva amp tonight...
OK.....This has been an experience .....so I got the amp....but the RCA chords I bought from Emotiva dont come in til weds.....The 20 amp line is all hooked up.....I have sum old rca chords ....I hook everything thing up....and FRIKIN ARRRRRRRR !!!!!!! Theres a horrible buzz and hummm.............Im thinking ...I must have hooked sumthing up wrong???? I re-did it 4 or 5 tymz....now the BRAND NEW $1600 amp is faulting and tripping its internal safety switch....AAAARRRRRRRRRRRRR !!!! OK....so now im thinking....the amp is badd..........so I start trouble shooting..............its still lighting up frikin redd.....I find another set of rca chords....and it gets worse.............I finally hook up and use different source....and it starts working fine.....ok so it NOT THE AMP....so what is it??? I find another set of old rca chords and WALLAH !!! it was the old chords I was using becuz the new ones dont arrive for 2 more days.....2 setsof BADD chords in a row !!! I hooked up 2 channels for my mains.....WOW.....I canked sum hard hitting music....sum FIGHT "Into the pit " great dblbass.....and again wow.....its not that its louder......but that its alot cleaner....and the instruments sound better...... separated......the mids and the low mids are more distinct ......I am a HAPPY BOY !!!!!

Why don't you save the money and get a better amp than? No offense but if that's how the person typed up his findings....kind of makes it questionable. No better than a kid telling me his Dr. Dre's headphones sound awesome lol

i think the person type up a great review of a great product

i bet you need a big powerfull AMP too...
post #42974 of 51438
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

cant waite to get my rc 70 hooked up still waiting for 1 and 2 in the mail hopefully friday...
when i put on some eric clapton in surround mod do your think i can fry bacon and eggs on the denon when its driving 5 rc 70s? its says it puts out 125 wpc LOL sure it does it can only take in
670 watts.. right!
Power and sonic nirvana you need Power and lots of it....
you want to drive a honda or a ZL1 camaro?
I WANT SONIC NIRVANA
I NEED POWER LOTS OF POWER
im not driving a getto blaster like some other posters LOL
happy new year..
a link why you need power...
http://www.axiomaudio.com/power

I have more power than you so I must be enjoying a higher level of nirvana while blasting wonderful tonight biggrin.gif

ok POKE you admit im right Congrats

you need power... LOTS OF POWER YOUR RIGHT... IM GETTING A BIG FAT AMP TO HAVE MORE POWER THAN YOU LOL...

now we are getting some where you need power...

for sonic NIRVANA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
post #42975 of 51438
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Honestly, both subs are basic entry level so it's hard to choose. The Pio will probably work fine if it meets your budget, doesn't sound like you will be playing very loud and an 8" woofer is probably a better bet to blend mid bass with the tiny RC Micro satellites. Obviously neither of these subs will give a ton of output or low end extension.

Yeah, I'm not looking for a reference-grade system here. It's going to be for home theater and television usage and the only time it will play music will be for casual listening. Even the home theater usage isn't going to be that intense - I'll be in an apartment and as a result I'll be getting a receiver that will have Audyssey Dynamic Volume pretty much always enabled so I don't get evicted. I'm aiming for a system that sounds good, as in better than what I'd get from a $500 HTIB.
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

What's your budget?
For now try checking out the F12 or the PL-200
Hmm...maybe even a lava lsp12

Those all seem like a lot more than I'm willing to plunk down right now. I only paid $60 for the RC-Micros, and can't see myself paying triple that for just a sub. I think the highest I'm willing to spend right now is $150 for a sub. Just aiming for a cheapy system to work in a small apartment living room that'll sound good (better than a HTIB and hopefully comparable to some of my better headphones) and hold me over until I have my own house and have a few grand set aside to do things properly.

My original plan was to buy the Micros for $60 and get a receiver, cables, and sub and be somewhere between $200 and $300 total and have the system sound noticeably better than a similarly HTIB.However, I'm now finding out that a receiver alone costs $200 easily for one that, as far as I can tell, isn't much different than what would be included in a $200 HTIB. Are HTIB setups just very much discounted, or is the receiver most of the cost?

Thanks everyone.
post #42976 of 51438
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Originally Posted by grasshoppers View Post

WOW--it certainly seems that you have learned much in the 7 weeks
You have been on this forum!! Four weeks ago you were asking "Batpig"
On how to properly set-up your Denon.....basic BEGINNER stuff:p LOL
You need to chill out and show some respect here. You are just making an
"arse" out of your self
.wink.gif

This x 1,000.

Deltadude, your advice is good for people with a seemingly endless budget. Not everyone can, or even wants to spend thousands of dollars on home audio. There are people who are looking to put together their entire HT setup for $500 or less. These people need the advice to get them the best sound for that money. Your advice sucks for those people.

You are right that good, powerful, clean, expensive equipment will give you the best sound, or at least the capability for the best sound. But for most people's situations, other upgrades will improve their setup 10x more than additional power.

Congrats on your setup. Once you add a real subwoofer, you will have a truly amazing setup. Leave it at that.

Insulting Batpig and making references about getting a job really shows your lack of class. Batpig is one of the most experienced and helpful people on this forum and always provided good sound advice to everyone on here. He takes each persons situation into account and makes recommendations for that persons situation. Based on your recent posts and recommendations, you do not do the same. You simply tell people to do what you did. You need to realize that what you are doing for a dedicated HT is not possible or reasonable for most peoples budgets and setups.


Your advice of more power, more power, more power is extremely archaic, close minded, and really discredits pretty much everything you say.
Edited by kgallerie - 1/1/13 at 12:15pm
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Im sorry but we need to calm down and also need to stop the offensive writings, avs can close the energy thread or ban you forever.lets respect each other.

we really need to change this subject.


.....peace....
Edited by losservatore - 1/1/13 at 1:23pm
post #42978 of 51438
Wish you all a great 2013.

Guys had a question - I often end up dialing the volume in the range of 70-80 for my movie watching etc which I feel is almost at the upper limit - do you think this is normal?

My setup is a Denon 2113 with 2 RC10 (L/R)+RCR(C)+VS(Surrounds) and a S10.3 sub.
post #42979 of 51438
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Originally Posted by SandyMan007 View Post

Wish you all a great 2013.
Guys had a question - I often end up dialing the volume in the range of 70-80 for my movie watching etc which I feel is almost at the upper limit - do you think this is normal?
My setup is a Denon 2113 with 2 RC10 (L/R)+RCR(C)+VS(Surrounds) and a S10.3 sub.

Hard to say withbout knowing how your room is but if it doesn't sound like its clipping or distorting you should be fine. The rc10 is 92db sensitive so should be easy to drive. Back when I had my rc10s and a denon 1611 (ht labs measured it being capable of 71.4 watts @.1 distortion w/ 5 channels driven), I usually listened at -12mv.
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I think your room is demanding more volume how big is you room?
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

I think your room is demanding more volume how big is you room?
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

Hard to say withbout knowing how your room is but if it doesn't sound like its clipping or distorting you should be fine. The rc10 is 92db sensitive so should be easy to drive. Back when I had my rc10s and a denon 1611 (ht labs measured it being capable of 71.4 watts @.1 distortion w/ 5 channels driven), I usually listened at -12mv.

Thanks for replying, should have put down my room dimensions initially..my bad. Here are the dimension -

Room Dimensions: 19ft in length and 12 ft in width.
Distance of front speakers + sub from seating position - 11 ft
Distance of surround speakers from seating position - 4 to 5 ft (side surrounds kept just a lil behind the line of seating)
Volume on sub is kept at a about 60%
Surround speakers on dipole mode at about 75% effect.

Carpeted floor with a typical apartment living room furniture.

I dont hear any distortions or clipping at all at 70-80.
Edited by SandyMan007 - 1/1/13 at 2:41pm
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Originally Posted by SandyMan007 View Post

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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

I think your room is demanding more volume how big is you room?
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

Hard to say withbout knowing how your room is but if it doesn't sound like its clipping or distorting you should be fine. The rc10 is 92db sensitive so should be easy to drive. Back when I had my rc10s and a denon 1611 (ht labs measured it being capable of 71.4 watts @.1 distortion w/ 5 channels driven), I usually listened at -12mv.

Thanks for replying, should have put down my room dimensions initially..my bad. Here are the dimension -

Room Dimensions: 19ft in length and 12 ft in width.
Distance of front speakers + sub from seating position - 11 ft
Distance of surround speakers from seating position - 4 to 5 ft (side surrounds kept just a lil behind the line of seating)
Volume on sub is kept at a about 60%
Surround speakers on dipole mode at about 75% effect.

Carpeted floor with a typical apartment living room furniture.

I dont hear any distortions or clipping at all at 70-80.

I totally forgot !!! also every time you run Audyssey you have to make sure that the dynamic eq and dynamic volume is off.that can compromise the speakers volume.
post #42983 of 51438
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

I totally forgot !!! also every time you run Audyssey you have to make sure that the dynamic eq and dynamic volume is off.that can compromise the speakers volume.
I believe when running audyssey all audy processing is shut off. Before running audyssey, set the sub trim to 0 than adjust the gain on the amp of ur sub to 75db (with a spl meter)
post #42984 of 51438
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

I totally forgot !!! also every time you run Audyssey you have to make sure that the dynamic eq and dynamic volume is off.that can compromise the speakers volume.
I believe when running audyssey all audy processing is shut off. Before running audyssey, set the sub trim to 0 than adjust the gain on the amp of ur sub to 75db (with a spl meter)



I dont know if I said it right but I mean that after you finish run Audyssey some of the features turn on automatically and you have to turn off manually not sure if is the dynamic eq.



just want him to make sure those features are off.
Edited by losservatore - 1/1/13 at 3:37pm
post #42985 of 51438
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

I dont know if I said it right but I mean that after you finish run Audyssey some of the features turn on automatically and you have to turn off manually not sure if is the dynamic eq.
just want him to make sure those features are off.

Dyn EQ would boost the sound though. (LFE and surrounds). Dyn Vol could be the culprit. It was for me! When I got my outlaw subs I couldn't figure out why they didnt sound good till I realized I had left Dyn Vol at Midnight setting.
post #42986 of 51438
I switched off the dyn vol & eq off and checked, did not notice much of a difference. I will try running my audy calibration with sub at 0 and see, I have always run it at 50%.
post #42987 of 51438
rc 70 in a corner of a small room

im just breaking in a few of my rc 70 in my computer room 9.5 x 9.5 ft... hooked up to an old yamaha avr rx v 995 105 wpc 5.1 400 wat max input LOL

had some really bad bass resonance in here so i put my home made bass traps to work

delta's bass traps cheap cheap cheap....


i can turn up the volume a bit now to get my 3 rc 70 virgins a good break in




my bass traps are made with 2x4 have cloth on both sides with 2 3inch sheets of roxul safe n sound also known as ABF acoustic fire bat.. so help slow down your house fire lol

case your speakers are smokin... i use the 23 x 47 inch size batt for bigger surface area... my cost is less than 20 to build.... look for cheap neutral fabric cotton/poly awesome effect

when you pumping the watts eh

cheers
post #42988 of 51438
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

I dont know if I said it right but I mean that after you finish run Audyssey some of the features turn on automatically and you have to turn off manually not sure if is the dynamic eq.
just want him to make sure those features are off.

Dyn EQ would boost the sound though. (LFE and surrounds). Dyn Vol could be the culprit. It was for me! When I got my outlaw subs I couldn't figure out why they didnt sound good till I realized I had left Dyn Vol at Midnight setting.


That is right the most important is to turn off the dyn vol.
Edited by losservatore - 1/1/13 at 7:12pm
post #42989 of 51438
here is a pic of the other side

should have wrote AFB not abf acoutics fire batt..

wow what a difference in the room accoustics with just 2...



cheers
post #42990 of 51438
Audyssey ain't gonna fix that bro.
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