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post #42991 of 51472
I'm at a crossroads with my decision making here.

Current setup is RC-10s fronts and an RC- LCR center.

The latest deals have me considering two RC-70s to go with my RC-LCR OR three Veritas V5.2s up front and ditching my setup completely.

So the RC70's would set me back $800 while the three Veritas would set me back $500 USD (picked up at border via WWstereo) plus whatever I sell my setup for, I'd likely come away even and maybe even ahead with the Veritas.

Of course, the other option is stick to what I have. So my question is: Are the RC-70s easily the best of the bunch and, will the Veritas system be a nice upgrade over my current setup, I understand the center channel could be considered a step back but the fronts would be enough of an upgrade to negate this?

Thanks for any help, and I'm running a 15" Rythmik sub to top it off.
post #42992 of 51472
For me I like having the big RC-70 towers for when I want to blast music. I've yet to be disappointed with max volume capabilities. I listen to music with my sub in a 2.1 config. That may be one of the bigger questions you may want to find the answer to...Do you like to listen to music with this system? (FWIW, I've never been around any veritas speakers.)
post #42993 of 51472
I'd rather have the RC 70's with the RC LCR center and RC-10s as surrounds.

I'm kinda in the same boat as you as I have RC-10s and LCR. Fry's Electronics has the RC-70's for $599 each. I'm just waiting for them get in the $350-$400 range. Eventually they will as the 14 boxes of RC-70s haven't moved since they got there. Nobody's buying at current prices.

I could get the 3 V5.2's for $500 too but they aren't the speaker I want. I want the RC-70 towers. Plus I know the V series is brighter sounding and I like the laid back sound of RC speakers.
post #42994 of 51472
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Originally Posted by 1080pee View Post

I'm at a crossroads with my decision making here.

Current setup is RC-10s fronts and an RC- LCR center.

The latest deals have me considering two RC-70s to go with my RC-LCR OR three Veritas V5.2s up front and ditching my setup completely.

So the RC70's would set me back $800 while the three Veritas would set me back $500 USD (picked up at border via WWstereo) plus whatever I sell my setup for, I'd likely come away even and maybe even ahead with the Veritas.

Of course, the other option is stick to what I have. So my question is: Are the RC-70s easily the best of the bunch and, will the Veritas system be a nice upgrade over my current setup, I understand the center channel could be considered a step back but the fronts would be enough of an upgrade to negate this?

Thanks for any help, and I'm running a 15" Rythmik sub to top it off.

rc 70 whip a v 5.2 into the ground go with rc 70 across the front 3 ... im going to be setting up 5 rc 70s... you just have to raise tv 39 inches off ground if not projection theater...

no question rc 70 is much better sounding than a v 5.2... for the money rc 70 399 till tomorrow. you cant beat that.. go for 7 if you like clean em out....

cheers

just get some power so you can fire it up and not smoke the speakers...
post #42995 of 51472
Currently have the RC- 70s, that I picked up for 399 ea. Just wondering if the Veritas (v63) are worth the extra money. There's quite a jump in price. I'm looking for high end quality sound. Mostly movie watching, mid volume levels, using an Onkyo 818.
post #42996 of 51472
Some things I should have mentioned:

1) I use my system for 50% HT 50% gaming. No music really.

2) Tower speakers make me a little apprehensive because of their size and if I ever move out it could be a problem.

3) I could theoretically buy both systems and audition them at home, the RC70s would be easy to return while the Veritas' would be a bit more arduous and I would likely sell them on ebay if I don't like them instead of returning them. However I'm sure I can easily get my money back considering the current discount.

Would you guys recommend #3 or just take a chance on the RC70s and call it a day.

Edit: One last thing: I know how the RC10s/LCR sound, are the 70s just a "fuller" sound while containing a majority of the same characteristics? I ask because I wouldn't mind a change of pace, something more suited for HT which the RC-10s are not exactly imo.

Thanks for all the help (and deltadube, have you heard the Veritas?)
Edited by 1080pee - 1/1/13 at 9:07pm
post #42997 of 51472
I'm not real sure 1080pee maybe others can chime in.

NLaudiophile, member Losservatore is probably one of the few that have actually compare those two speakers. You should search his posts in this thread to find his comparisons.

Losservatore, I haven't had the time lately to follow all the threads I would like to. Did you do a review of your subwoofer or initial thought? I was looking forward to seeing what you thought.

Also I guess I missed some stuff lately??

Good thing Batpig has a head on his shoulders as I am sure he doesn't allow himself to get insulted easily. Either way if insults were thrown that were serious as opposed to joking, then an apology should be made.

Did you and the fam have good holidays Batpig. Appreciate all your help!
post #42998 of 51472
I used rc10s for ht use for awhile. They actually did a splendid job! The 70s though had more clarity though.
post #42999 of 51472
try raising the tv 39 inches

put the rc 70 right under it in the centre..

sonic nirvana

cheers
post #43000 of 51472
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Originally Posted by brendelac View Post



for anyone that has opted for 3 RC70s up front that aren't using an acoustically transparent projector screen, please post pics or a description of how you set up your center speaker with your TV or screen. I'd love to try this, but just can't see how it can be optimized both visually and acoustically. above is what i currently have to work with. thanks.

sorry forgot the qoute..

raise tv 39 inches

put rc right under the tv in the centre..

cheers
post #43001 of 51472
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

I used rc10s for ht use for awhile. They actually did a splendid job! The 70s though had more clarity though.

1+


pokekevin said it right the rc-70 offers you more clarity in the mids.
post #43002 of 51472
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

I used rc10s for ht use for awhile. They actually did a splendid job! The 70s though had more clarity though.

1+


pokekevin said it right the rc-70 offers you more clarity in the mids.

i like clarity Losservatore...

i heard you can get even more clarity with amp power

we need power

clean power

to get the mostus from the rc 70s

cheers
post #43003 of 51472
What's a good center and sub to go with 2 front RC-70s. Looking for clean sounds from the center. Not having the voices drowned out and a sub with clean solid bass. I had a 10" velodyne years ago but found it to be sloppy and boomy, if that makes sense. I currently have a Bose C-10 center that I'm replacing. I believe this is creating a lot of problems for watching movies. Voices are always being drowned out, not much mid range.

Any suggestions?
post #43004 of 51472
Quote:
Originally Posted by NLaudiophile View Post

Currently have the RC- 70s, that I picked up for 399 ea. Just wondering if the Veritas (v63) are worth the extra money. There's quite a jump in price. I'm looking for high end quality sound. Mostly movie watching, mid volume levels, using an Onkyo 818.


honestly is all about preference veritas v6.3 have a forward sound and the rc-70s have a laid back sound.There is not real contender here, you may like the rc-70s more or may like the veritas more.Do the veritas worth the extra money I think for their finish yes ,for the sound I will leave that to your ears because they have a forward sound that you may like or may not.The same to the rc-70s they have a laid back sound that you may like or may not.

here is a video that I posted about 6 months ago with the rc-70s and veritas v6.3.Please do not choose the speakers base on this video, is youtube and it wont make a fair justice.

Edited by losservatore - 1/1/13 at 10:46pm
post #43005 of 51472
Quote:
Originally Posted by NLaudiophile View Post

What's a good center and sub to go with 2 front RC-70s. Looking for clean sounds from the center. Not having the voices drowned out and a sub with clean solid bass. I had a 10" velodyne years ago but found it to be sloppy and boomy, if that makes sense. I currently have a Bose C-10 center that I'm replacing. I believe this is creating a lot of problems for watching movies. Voices are always being drowned out, not much mid range.

Any suggestions?

well im going to use 3 rc 70 across the front by theory this should be best sounding if you have a tv you would need to raise just above top of speaker about 40 inches..

this is the best set up to have the front 3 the same place vertically... you just have to buy 1 more rc 70....

as for subs a buddy of mine really likes his new psa vx30 lots of choices in subs out there... you might need bass traps to help out bass resonance...


cheers
post #43006 of 51472
Quote:
Originally Posted by NLaudiophile View Post

What's a good center and sub to go with 2 front RC-70s. Looking for clean sounds from the center. Not having the voices drowned out and a sub with clean solid bass. I had a 10" velodyne years ago but found it to be sloppy and boomy, if that makes sense. I currently have a Bose C-10 center that I'm replacing. I believe this is creating a lot of problems for watching movies. Voices are always being drowned out, not much mid range.
Any suggestions?

For a center channel, either another rc-70 or the rc-lcr. I guess if worst comes to worst, rc-mini cc or veritas 5.2. As for sub, do you have a budget and room size? Also do you just watch movies and tv or do you do a lot of music listening? Answering these questions will help narrow down from 100 choices.
post #43007 of 51472
Quote:
Originally Posted by NLaudiophile View Post

What's a good center and sub to go with 2 front RC-70s. Looking for clean sounds from the center. Not having the voices drowned out and a sub with clean solid bass. I had a 10" velodyne years ago but found it to be sloppy and boomy, if that makes sense. I currently have a Bose C-10 center that I'm replacing. I believe this is creating a lot of problems for watching movies. Voices are always being drowned out, not much mid range.

Any suggestions?

a couple of things to consider speaker set up

http://www.audiophysic.com/aufstellung/beispiel_e.html

http://www.cardas.com/content.php?area=insights&content_id=26&pagestring=Room+Setup

not always possible tho..
post #43008 of 51472
Quote:
Originally Posted by NLaudiophile View Post

What's a good center and sub to go with 2 front RC-70s. Looking for clean sounds from the center. Not having the voices drowned out and a sub with clean solid bass. I had a 10" velodyne years ago but found it to be sloppy and boomy, if that makes sense. I currently have a Bose C-10 center that I'm replacing. I believe this is creating a lot of problems for watching movies. Voices are always being drowned out, not much mid range.

Any suggestions?

here is a great article ... a must read... why 3 rc 70 up front is best!

cheers
post #43009 of 51472
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by NLaudiophile View Post

What's a good center and sub to go with 2 front RC-70s. Looking for clean sounds from the center. Not having the voices drowned out and a sub with clean solid bass. I had a 10" velodyne years ago but found it to be sloppy and boomy, if that makes sense. I currently have a Bose C-10 center that I'm replacing. I believe this is creating a lot of problems for watching movies. Voices are always being drowned out, not much mid range.

Any suggestions?

here is a great article ... a must read... why 3 rc 70 up front is best!

cheers

opps forgot the link

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=89614
post #43010 of 51472
While it may be nice to have all 3 identical speakers up front, sometimes it's not always possible. Yes you can raise your TV higher but it might be uncomfortable for your neck. The RC LCR is actually a pretty darn good center speaker. I don't have my 70s anymore, but when I did I used the RC LCR to great enjoyment!
post #43011 of 51472
well poke according the the article above the rc lcr can not be a pretty darn good speaker

did you read this article you might learn a few things

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=89614

the rc lcr is an mtm center with a perfect horizontal plane.. worst position...

cheers..
post #43012 of 51472
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

well poke according the the article above the rc lcr can not be a pretty darn good speaker
did you read this article you might learn a few things
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=89614
the rc lcr is an mtm center with a perfect horizontal plane.. worst position...
cheers..

Have you heard one? Also I said it did pretty good for considering it is a Horizontal center. Lobbing wasn't too much of an issue when moving around the room.

Everything in audio is a compromise, just like life. But if you cannot understand that than with some logic I can come to the conclusion that you are not getting sonic nirvana by just looking at your room. Without a dedicated room built from the ground up with audio in mind you cannot possibly be experiencing nirvana.

So like I said, whatever your experiencing can not be sonic nirvana.

Also the RC LCR isn't a MTM. It's a WMTMW with the Mid ranges not exactly above the tweeter. Appolito configuration with a twist.
post #43013 of 51472
I'm sorry...did you just post the same link twice. Look I know I have posted some stupid things in this thread and damn near have no right to speak up here, but what is going on here lately. You two seem to be clogging up this thread with a bunch of nonsense. How about adding to the thread with something that has to do with this thread. Seems to only be garbage comments lately about power bs and this and that. Quit wasting everybody's time with stuff that has nothing to do with comments about Energy Speakers.
post #43014 of 51472
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Originally Posted by mphfrom77 View Post

I'm sorry...did you just post the same link twice. Look I know I have posted some stupid things in this thread and damn near have no right to speak up here, but what is going on here lately. You two seem to be clogging up this thread with a bunch of nonsense. How about adding to to the thread with something that has to do with this thread. I am only reading garbage comments. Quit wasting everybody's time with stuff that has nothing to do with comments about Energy Speakers.

I believe several of my posts are trying to explain why it wouldn't be too bad having an RC LCR as a center. I think that has something to do with energy speakers.biggrin.gif
Edited by pokekevin - 1/2/13 at 12:34am
post #43015 of 51472
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Originally Posted by SandyMan007 View Post

I switched off the dyn vol & eq off and checked, did not notice much of a difference. I will try running my audy calibration with sub at 0 and see, I have always run it at 50%.

What I meant with setting the sub trim was that you should set it to 0 at the AVR than using an spl meter (radioshack?), change the sub's gain to whatever reads 72dB ( i think thats the correction but check it) than run audyssey. If you try setting the sub's gain to whatever reads 72dB while your sub trim is at -4db or whatever, it might not actually be 72dB when you run the calibration. This helped me set my quad subs correctly. PM me if you need any help with that
post #43016 of 51472
Quote:
Originally Posted by NLaudiophile View Post

What's a good center and sub to go with 2 front RC-70s. Looking for clean sounds from the center. Not having the voices drowned out and a sub with clean solid bass. I had a 10" velodyne years ago but found it to be sloppy and boomy, if that makes sense. I currently have a Bose C-10 center that I'm replacing. I believe this is creating a lot of problems for watching movies. Voices are always being drowned out, not much mid range.
Any suggestions?

Get the matching RC LCR for the center would be the first thing I'd do. If that doesn't fit, you "could" go with the Mini's V for the center. I did that for awhile before finally replacing it with the RC LCR (had to raise the tv by 4 inches but it proved to actually be the right height!). The V Mini would be a compromise though. It wasn't bad but it was definitely bright compared to the 10s and 70s I had.

As for the sub...Do you play music a lot with your setup? Room size? Budget?

On a sidenote, I took out my old 10s and hooked em up for some music today. I don't know if its bias or placebo but damn they still sound good for music when compared to my Atlantic Tech S-450e THX system lol. Kind of regretting selling my 70s. I kept the RC LCR just in case I wanted to use my 10s with it for my family room set up.
post #43017 of 51472
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Originally Posted by 1080pee View Post

Some things I should have mentioned:
1) I use my system for 50% HT 50% gaming. No music really.
2) Tower speakers make me a little apprehensive because of their size and if I ever move out it could be a problem.
3) I could theoretically buy both systems and audition them at home, the RC70s would be easy to return while the Veritas' would be a bit more arduous and I would likely sell them on ebay if I don't like them instead of returning them. However I'm sure I can easily get my money back considering the current discount.
Would you guys recommend #3 or just take a chance on the RC70s and call it a day.
Edit: One last thing: I know how the RC10s/LCR sound, are the 70s just a "fuller" sound while containing a majority of the same characteristics? I ask because I wouldn't mind a change of pace, something more suited for HT which the RC-10s are not exactly imo.
Thanks for all the help (and deltadube, have you heard the Veritas?)

Just speaking from my experience, I have tried the RC-10's and RC-30's as fronts. The RC-30's are a night and day difference in their fullness and dynamics from the RC-10 likely due to the tower construction. I would imagine that the RC-70's would be another whole step up with the larger cabinet and the dedicated mid range. I think you would be very happy with the RC-70/RC-LCR setup. I personally would take that over the 3 x V5.2 setup.

That being said.....I also have the V5.1 bookshelf speakers in my bedroom and I actually prefer the sound of the V5.1 to the RC-10. Better dynamics and more lively sound. So for home theater, the V5.2s may be very good in your application, especially with a good sub. What do you have for a subwoofer?

So in conclusion......i really dont think you could go wrong with either option. They are both great options, however I would take the towers based on my experience. If you are concerned about moving, even with the V5.2's you will need to move the speaker and the stand (making 2 items instead of 1 tower). I would just keep the boxes for the towers then you dont have to be as careful during the move.
Edited by kgallerie - 1/2/13 at 6:13am
post #43018 of 51472
Thanks kgallerie, I think I'm going to try auditioning then both. I wouldn't need stands for the veritas as my wall unit would suffice.

My sub is the Rythmik FV15HP.
post #43019 of 51472
Great! Please post up your findings and comparisons from the auditions. That will be very helpful to a lot of people who have been asking the the same question.
post #43020 of 51472
Thanks for all the feedback, beats trying to google all the questions! Here's some further info on the room: 12X17, have a cabinet underneath the TV to store the components with a approx 8" clearance to place a center. I would say its an 80% movies, 20% music.

I realize this is an energy forum, but are there any opinions on Martin Logan Electromotion ESLs. I've been reading a lot of reviews and they seem to have clear sound. I'm not concerned with the bass as I'm still researching on a high end sub. I purchased the RC-70s because of such a deal at Futureshop. But those have been on the market since approx 2005, and I'm somewhat in the mindset that technology improves over time. I'm thinking there's noticeable improvements on speakers since then and I'd like to have new up to date technology!!

Thanks again
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