Energy Owners Thread - Page 145

This is what got me thinking to ask my previous question. I saw this at midnight last night. I just wonder if it's worthwhile in my case. Any thoughts?

looks to be a good deal on those c-100's. If you go to sellout woot http://shopping.yahoo.com/?name=woot#woot
they have the C-C100 for 119. to match the others too.
Woot is a cool site.....bought things there and never a problem...just bought a flying screaming monkey from them.

Hi I just bought the Center and the Pair of Speakers from the Woot. I was wondering if there is a matching Sub-woofer speaker to go with these?

You can get a refurbed s10.3 here for $150 shipped.

http://www.wwstereo.com/default.aspx...rs/33/144377//

I just bought one yesterday, but I believe the owner is out of town and therefore hasn't been shipped

Or you can get the ESW-8 here for $100 plus $20-30 shipping:

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ENESW8

I'm so tempted to upgrade my Energy e:xl speakers, but I'm waiting to hear back from the more experienced guys on this site to help me make that decision...

I started out with the XL series, and while I haven't heard the current C-series speakers I honestly doubt it would be much of an upgrade.

The XL series sounded great, and the new C-series occupies the same (entry level) spot in the Energy lineup. If I were going to upgrade from the XL's I would want to step up to the RC's, or wait and see how the new Connoisseur series looks.

Honestly, though, that WOOT deal is so good there's not much to lose by just grabbing those C-100's and seeing if you like them better, they may actually be a little better than the XL-16's. If you do like em better, sell the XL's and grab a C-C100, although I wouldn't be suprised if the XL-C center blends pretty well as they are similar aluminum-dome tweeters, and similar entry-level Energy speakers.

On a couple of side notes...

1. I might upgrade just for the looks, I loved my little XL's but boy are they ugly! The C-100's are much better looking IMO

2. You're probably looking at more like $100-120 on ebay after fees and whatnot. I keep my eye on Energy stuff on eBay and I'd bet you'd sell the XL-16's for $80ish and the XL-C for $50ish, $150 is a bit of a stretch.

Thank you for your response, very helpful. By the way, I didn't mean that I thought I could get $150 for the xl-c on Ebay, I meant that I think I can maybe get $150 for all three, though selling the xl-c separately... I figure about $80 for the bookshelves and $80 for the center...

Anyway, I'm seriously considering doing this... As you said, they do look nicer and they have the benefit of being newer, with at least some technological improvement since the e:xl's...

Thanks again for your help.

$150 for the Energy 10.3 is a great price, especially considering its sister Mirage s-10 is $529.

I almost bought the XL-16 several years ago but they are ugly. Who designed those things? Like someone said earlier, even if the C-100 is a lateral move at least it looks better!

Holy mak-er-oh! Those subwoofers look awesome!! Now kind of tempted to go with the refurbished one...hmm, 200 watts power?! Thanks for the info.

I know, I was specifically referring to all three -- that's why I said $80ish for the bookshelfs and $50ish for the center, I just wanted to let you know (since I've sold XL's before and follow it on ebay) that you were probably overestimating the income from sale by $30-40ish once you factor in fees



Hey, they may actually be a little better, I just know that the XL's are excellent speakers too. I just noticed the companion deal on the C-C100, honestly they are great looking speakers (especially relative to the XL's) and $240 shipped for two C-100's and a C-C100 is a killer deal.

Oh, now I get what you're saying; you're probably right about that...


It was too good a deal for me to pass up; I took the plunge.

By the way, if, for some reason any of you miss this great deal at Woot, you will still be able to pick these up for $129/pair shipped from the same place I got my s10.3:

http://www.wwstereo.com/default.aspx..._-1__0_0_0_-1/

The folks there have been very helpful. I guess a number of people have placed orders there for the s10.3's from the references I made on this thread and the subwoofer thread. The lady working there said that they had the biggest day of sales ever yesterday. That's why our orders didn't get sent out till today... These "win-win" situations are wonderful. Great products at great prices is one of the beauties of capitalism, right?

awesome, that's really a kick-ass deal and I will be recommending it to folks until they are gone. I would consider it myself but I already have RC's up front.

That $150 shipped for S10.3 is really, really tempting me right now!! my ugly old S8.2 has been crying for an upgrade, although I'd been holding out hope on a used ESW-V8 (a few demos have been popping up from the Klipsch ebay store here and there, but out of my price range)

hey, definitely give a full report on XL's vs. newer C-series. As I said above, they really are occupying the same entry-level slot in the Energy lineup so I'm curious to hear if they sound significantly better a couple generations later.

Enjoy your new toys!

I called about the 10.3 B-stock, the warranty is only 90 days if that matters. They had 10 in stock so don't expect them to last too long.

I have 3 different subs at home including a used Energy 10" I bought off ebay. None of them have ever had any problems in the 5 years I've had them. The Energy I've only had a year but it was probably 5 years old when I got it.

I know! Serious deal there... I think they're running out of them. Now it says to "call for availability." I just went to their ebay store. Yesterday they had 28, now they have 0 available!

The power of the internet is tremendous, isn't it?

The ESW-10 at $170 shipped might be the next best deal. At least you get a full warranty.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...ctiveda8726-20

Another good find! Keep in mind that's a different model. That's the ESW 10 (MSRP of ~$300). The one referenced previously is the s10.3 (MSRP ~$500). Somebody who knows their stuff can tell us what the differences are other than price, but they are different...

Yep, that would be a nice, impactful speaker. I would say the best bet for you would be a line array speaker to be honest. Or, failing that, one without a crossover. Personally, unless you're Bill Gates or Warren Bufftet, I'd go with the single driver one - that one is only 14 grand, cheap compared to the line array I'm thinking of which is about $60,000.... per speaker.

See beta, for what you want, you're going to have to pay and pay dearly. Speakers like that aren't cheap. Ideally, you'll want a speaker that's close to that. IMO, if I were you, I'd go with a larger bookshelf, and a really good Subwoofer (or two or three, from what I've read - a pair of Hsu MBM's that play from 50hz to 200 hz I believe, plus one sub that goes down to about 10hz, would more than cover your bass impact, and you can get some very nice monitor (book shelf size) speakers for about $1000 each). Overall, this setup will give you what you're looking for and won't cost you 60 grand (or even 14 grand). And there's plenty good ones cheap on the used market - no warranty though.

I got the Energy ESW-8 last week from Audio Advisor for $130.00 shipped and I am on the verge of pulling the trigger on the C-C100. Decision, decision.....

FYI... Here are the specs on the ESW-10: (actually looks more "kid-friendly" than the S10.3...)

Specifications
System Type Bass Reflex with Front Firing Port
Frequency Response 28Hz-120Hz +/- 3dB
Amplifier Power Output 400 Watts
Woofer 10” (25.4 cm) MPP Cone with Patented Ribbed Elliptical Surround
Variable Low Pass Filter 40Hz-120Hz @ 18dB/octave
Variable Phase Control 0°, 180°
Power Mode Switch On/Auto/Off
Inputs Line In/Sub In & Speaker Level In
Overall Dimensions inches: 14 5/8 x 14 5/8 x 15 5/8
mm: 371.5 x 371.5 x 396.9
(add 2 1/16” (52.4mm) for feet)
Weight 31.8 lb / 14.42 kg
Finishes Black Ash

And here are the specs for the S10.3:

Specifications
System Type Bass reflex with downward firing ports
Frequency Response 21Hz-120Hz +/- 3dB
Amplifier Power Output 200 Watts continuous, 800 Watts dynamic peak
Woofer 10" Polypropylene ceramic/glass/mica deposit hybrid with ribbed elliptical surround
Variable Low Pass Filter 50Hz-110Hz @ 18dB/Octave
Variable Phase Control -180 to +180(o), continuously variable
Power Mode Switch Off/Auto/On
Inputs Low level, stereo high level (speaker level)
Overall Dimensions 440 x 366 x 465mm (HxWxD), 17.33" x 14.14" x 18.31"
Weight 34 lbs
Crossover Filter Switch Active/Bypass
Max Driver Excursion 1.57" peak-to-peak
Voice Coil Diameter 1.5"
Finishes Black or Shadow Silver

I know what you guys mean about that. A good sub woofer can deliver the goods, but be subtle as well. And from what I've read, that's where the ESW-10 will fall short of other subs such as the SVS PB (or PC) Ultra. When I first got my Ultra, I thought is wasn't working, as the first thing I listed to was music. I thought it was doing nothing, until I walked up to it and put my ear to it. (not that close, just more or less bending down over it). Sure enough, it was on, but it was doing something I hadn't seen a sub, er more like heard a sub, do before, it was actually playing the bass note, not booming it.

But, now you put in a movie, I like the big battle with Iron Hide and that tank decepticon in Transformers the best, the bass wave the PB Ultra puts out down right scares the pants off you. You feel it go right through, and you need to make sure that anything loose in the room is bolted down. I know the ESW can't do that, it's physics, the amp is not powerful enough and the driver is too small (you need a large driver to move a lot of air).

All that being said, for the price, espcially the sale price it was at recently, I think that's (ESW-10) is a lot of sub for the money. And if it can play music like you say (and I'm sure it does) and if you have it in a smaller room, I'm sure that sub can pretty much do anything you want it too.

I just might pick one up yet too..... probably the next sale. Just to have for my 2 channel system. If it's as good as you say, and for $400 (on sale) that would be pretty tough to beat.

I just bought one of the B stock S10.3s last night. Super excited to get it. Haven't had a sub in my setup yet aside from the onkyo one that blew up after a day.

How are the C100s on woot right now? I have Onix X-LS fronts and onkyo center/surrounds (7.1) and was wondering if I should grab some C100s for surrounds. Does Energy make a higher end bookshelf speaker I could use as fronts? I want to move towards having a single brand for all my speakers.

Definitely. In the same line with the C-100 would be the larger C-200. But I don't know if it would necessarily be better than your Onix-LS speakers.

Higher up would be the Reference Connoisseur model RC-10.
http://www.energy-speakers.com/na-en...c-10-overview/

http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/energy_rc10.htm

And of course the Veritas line if you've got $$$$.
http://www.energy-speakers.com/na-en...cts/veritas-i/

So my X-LS are in a different league than the energy C-xxx series? Guess I'll pass on the woot and save my $$$.

Will do Bat... But I must say ahead of time that it will be the report of a novice.

All the toys should arrive sometime next week. The sub comes in on Monday

Ahh shoot...I missed out on the s.10 subwoofer deal...just sent them an email inquiring when they might have some more of it.

I'm very tempted to pick up the RC-50, sound unheard. Cherries are on clearance, but I can't find anywhere that has them in for auditioning. One of my biggest concerns is that they are rear ported and I have to put them up against a wall. How do these things sound with the ports plugged and without a separate sub?

what makes you think he was talking about a bookshelf speaker?

Nathan - do some searches on this thread on "port" and "plugged port" and similar terms. several folks have tried the port plugs on their RC's, and the general results is that the bass is hampered with lessened extension, as you would expect, but the mids/highs are unaffected. basically, you should be fine, just try it both ways and see how they work.

oops... I just re-read his post. My bad...

I bought mine almost a month now and is happy with it. It take time to get use to the laid back and smooth sound as I've Kef and Mission speakers as well, they sound totally different. I put them 1' away from the wall but 1 is in a corner and I found the bass too much so I plugged the port and it sound fine to me, it doesn't affect other ranges at all. For the price I think it is a steal, don't think can find anything better at this price range.

I agree. The RC-50s are really great sounding speakers. Definitely laid back and not "in your face" like Paradigm or Klipsch. If you can get to listen to any other member of the RC family, the mid and upper frequencies will sound very similar to an RC-50. I have the port plugs in mine at the moment because they are too close to the wall and it does restrict the bass a bit but doesn't really affect anything from the upper bass and above.