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Hello everybody, I just bought a pair of RC50's to match with some RC10's i bought in 2010. They sound great together!

I bought my RC10 from Vann's, and the box says Cherry. I bought these RC50s from a third-party seller at Amazon, but they noticeably lighter in color than my RC10s. This doesn't appear to be a fading issue, as the speakers are uniformly colored. I guess it's possible that Vann's sent me some rosenuts in a Cherry box, but unlikely. Has anyone heard of different Cherry finishes?

Thank you!
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yes, actually over the years there have been reports of slightly different color tones with the wood finishes. I think it's just a fact of life with real wood veneer and different production runs (which may also change sourcing for the materials).

My rosenut RC-LCR is slightly redder and a shade lighter than my rosenut RC-10's. You can always tell rosenut from cherry because rosenut is a deep "nut brown" reddish tone, whereas cherry is more orange toned.
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Cherry wood will also naturally darken over time, even when stained. Even if the 10's and 50's started out the same color, your 10's could have darkened over the years.
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Those are Energy Connoisseur C-4


OWNERS MANUAL connoisseur-and-pro-series-owners-manual-en-1.pdf 68k .pdf file
Edited by losservatore - 1/15/13 at 6:17pm
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^ thanks.

Curious how much interest there is in a mint, hardly used pair of VS surrounds that I have. Not totally sure if I want to sell them yet, but having a hard time making up my mind what to do with them - sell them, use them as rear surrounds, or buy three V5.2Cs and have a complete veritas set that I won't have a use for, but maybe a gift for my folks. I bought them to use with my RC fronts, but then found a pair of RCRs. I would want at least what I paid for my RCRs ($450) and I will disclose that I paid less than that when I bought them from vanns.

I'm in Canada too so shipping will be expensive unless I were to ship them next time I cross the border, but I don't know when that will be - I'm over 200 miles away...
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Hey guys....I have a set of RC-70's in a treated 12 x 12 room. Speakers are 10 inches away from the front wall and 2ft from the side walls. I've been playing with plugging and unplugging the back ports. The only thing I noticed is when plugged the warmthness of the music and punchyness of bass goes away. The dialogue does changes slightly (falter). When unplugged it kinda sounds boxy or maybe cabinet resonance I'm hearing? What do you guys do with your ports? This is my first set of loudspeakers...so I don't really know how good they should or could sound. I have read the manual but that only mentions the RC-LCR port plugging for cabinet installs. Thanks Luke.
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Hey guys....I have a set of RC-70's in a treated 12 x 12 room. Speakers are 10 inches away from the front wall and 2ft from the side walls. I've been playing with plugging and unplugging the back ports. The only thing I noticed is when plugged the warmthness of the music and punchyness of bass goes away. The dialogue does changes slightly (falter). When unplugged it kinda sounds boxy or maybe cabinet resonance I'm hearing? What do you guys do with your ports? This is my first set of loudspeakers...so I don't really know how good they should or could sound. I have read the manual but that only mentions the RC-LCR port plugging for cabinet installs. Thanks Luke.
Ya I believe the port plugs are only meant to be used when there is less than the desired space between the back of the speaker and the wall or whatever the object is behind it. But, if you like the sound one way or the other, then go with it.
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Luketo the tweeter and midrange are housed In a sealed compartment of the tower ,if you get better vocals with plugs on is do to a bass improvement in your room.I found that they sound best at least 2' away from each wall.They get uncontrolable bass when they are placed too close from the walls.
Edited by losservatore - 1/15/13 at 10:33pm
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the SpeakerDude / MoPads are a good option but much more expensive than rubber door stops. If you are willing to drop $40-50 on a solution then definitely they are the way to go as they are custom designed for this specific function.

I actually use MoPads for my L/R speakers (RC-10's) to angle them up as well because they are a bit low. I wish I had SpeakerDudes instead (just for aesthetics, because it would be one piece instead of two separate pieces) but I'm not willing to eat the $$$ to make the switch.

this photo shows the RC-LCR angled up with the door stops as well as the MoPads on the left/right speakers (although they were with the V2.1's I had for a bit):


Hey Batpig, nice setup. First time i see a picture of your setup.

What are the two speakers next to the RC-10s? , you have 4 front speakers?
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Originally Posted by luketo View Post

Hey guys....I have a set of RC-70's in a treated 12 x 12 room. Speakers are 10 inches away from the front wall and 2ft from the side walls. I've been playing with plugging and unplugging the back ports. The only thing I noticed is when plugged the warmthness of the music and punchyness of bass goes away. The dialogue does changes slightly (falter). When unplugged it kinda sounds boxy or maybe cabinet resonance I'm hearing? What do you guys do with your ports? This is my first set of loudspeakers...so I don't really know how good they should or could sound. I have read the manual but that only mentions the RC-LCR port plugging for cabinet installs. Thanks Luke.

I'm having the same issue. My two front speakers are about ten inches from the back and side walls so i plugg the ports, sounds great i believe, less bass but punchier. The center speaker is another matter. I'm torn between plugging and unplugging the port. The cc speaker is maybe 10 inches from the back wall, sometimes i think i hear dialogue better unplugged sometimes the other way.
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So, i angled my two front speakers a little bit, they are about ten inches from the back and side walls and are plugged, they sound better this way i believe, less bass and a little bit punchier. The center channel speaker i'm torn between plugging and unplugging the port, sometimes i hear dialogue better with the port plugg and sometimes the other way around, the CC speaker is about 10 inches from the back wall. Main problem is that the tweeter has the dome dented and i'm shure it affects sound. I hear dialogue deeper and less bright than with the other two V-5.2-C. Nothing can be done until i get the replacement tweeter from WWstereo in MARCH.

I'm torn between keeping the grills or taking them off. I know most people like them off. The CC speaker i'm definetly leaving it on.

With grills on:

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Without grills:
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Originally Posted by luketo View Post

Hey guys....I have a set of RC-70's in a treated 12 x 12 room. Speakers are 10 inches away from the front wall and 2ft from the side walls. I've been playing with plugging and unplugging the back ports. The only thing I noticed is when plugged the warmthness of the music and punchyness of bass goes away. The dialogue does changes slightly (falter). When unplugged it kinda sounds boxy or maybe cabinet resonance I'm hearing? What do you guys do with your ports? This is my first set of loudspeakers...so I don't really know how good they should or could sound. I have read the manual but that only mentions the RC-LCR port plugging for cabinet installs. Thanks Luke.

Iirc, the RC-70s have two ports in the rear. Have you tried plugging only one of them? You could switch between one and the other to see if one makes more of a difference than the other. if you still cant find your happy place, ive seen where someone has drilled a hole throught the center of the foam port plug to get a partial port plug. I would recommend getting a spare set of plugs before you do that though.
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The center channel speaker i'm torn between plugging and unplugging the port, sometimes i hear dialogue better with the port plugg and sometimes the other way around,

Using the plug definitely changes the frequency response of the speaker. As a consequence, are you rerunning your room correction software when it's in versus out? Also, if your receiver lets you set individual crossovers for the different speakers, the speaker may sound better with a different crossover setting depending on whether or not the plus is in.
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Using the plug definitely changes the frequency response of the speaker. As a consequence, are you rerunning your room correction software when it's in versus out? Also, if your receiver lets you set individual crossovers for the different speakers, the speaker may sound better with a different crossover setting depending on whether or not the plus is in.

You know what? i ran Audyssey with all the ports plugged, maybe i should run Auddysey again now that the CC speaker has the port unplugged. I'm kind of lazy right now maybe i will.

Benefits of having the ports plugged or unplugged in a CC speaker?
Edited by Szeppelin75 - 1/16/13 at 8:02am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

the SpeakerDude / MoPads are a good option but much more expensive than rubber door stops. If you are willing to drop $40-50 on a solution then definitely they are the way to go as they are custom designed for this specific function.

I actually use MoPads for my L/R speakers (RC-10's) to angle them up as well because they are a bit low. I wish I had SpeakerDudes instead (just for aesthetics, because it would be one piece instead of two separate pieces) but I'm not willing to eat the $$$ to make the switch.

this photo shows the RC-LCR angled up with the door stops as well as the MoPads on the left/right speakers (although they were with the V2.1's I had for a bit):


Very nice and clean setup, congratulations! Do you have 4 front speakers?
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The benefit would be if the excessive bass from the center speaker (due to physical location) causes the dialogue to become muddy and unintelligible. I plug the ports on my RC-LCR because it's less than a foot from the back wall and I found dialogue was much clearer with the ports plugged.

With ports, it's really a case-by-case thing, you have to try it both ways and see what sounds good to you. I think the "default" should be ports open (since that's the way the speaker was designed to operate) and the port plugs should be viewed as a potential solution should a problem arise.

Out of curiosity have you tried swapping the V5.2C with the dented tweeter with one of the other ones, just to make sure the tonality difference you are hearing is not simply due to the acoustic position of the speaker?
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catching up on 30 pages i have not read smile.gif

if i want to use 5CH Strereo for my music listening, i should have matching surround speakers.. right?
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That would be ideal for 5 ch music......but not required. I have rc-30 fronts and RC-10 surrounds and the 5 channel sounds pretty good. But it would probably be better with 4 (or even 5) rc-30s.
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catching up on 30 pages i have not read smile.gif

if i want to use 5CH Strereo for my music listening, i should have matching surround speakers.. right?

It's not like there's a requirement. If you have a modern receiver with EQ correction software and bass management, the tonal difference between speakers of the same "family" should be minimal (e.g. RC-30 vs. RC-10). Use your ears -- if it sounds good, roll with it!
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Originally Posted by Szeppelin75 View Post

Hey Batpig, nice setup. First time i see a picture of your setup.

What are the two speakers next to the RC-10s? , you have 4 front speakers?

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Originally Posted by South Park 
Very nice and clean setup, congratulations! Do you have 4 front speakers?


Thanks, this is an older photo, I just wanted to dig up something I already had available to show how my RC-LCR looked with the door stoppers angling it up. I don't actually run dual front speakers, that photo was taken when I had a pair of Veritas V2.1's that I hooked up to A/B with the RC-10's.

In my "normal" setup the RC-10's are sitting on the side tables where the V2.1's are in this photo. As you can see the side tables (which BTW I actually built myself and stained to match the rosenut) are a few inches lower than the console, which is why I have the FR/FL speakers sitting on those MoPads to angle them up.

Here's a closeup:

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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

the SpeakerDude / MoPads are a good option but much more expensive than rubber door stops. If you are willing to drop $40-50 on a solution then definitely they are the way to go as they are custom designed for this specific function.

I actually use MoPads for my L/R speakers (RC-10's) to angle them up as well because they are a bit low. I wish I had SpeakerDudes instead (just for aesthetics, because it would be one piece instead of two separate pieces) but I'm not willing to eat the $$$ to make the switch.

this photo shows the RC-LCR angled up with the door stops as well as the MoPads on the left/right speakers (although they were with the V2.1's I had for a bit):


I never thought of using door stops. I'm going to try that! Question though if I do raise the center channel a small amount do I have to rerun audyessy again? Same if I decide to use my port plugs with my rc10s. Because they're so close to the back wall?
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Yes. Port plugs will change/(could?) the FR of the speaker
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Yes, any time you change the physical properties of the speaker (location, plugging ports, etc) you need to re-run Audyssey.
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I'm about 30hrs or so into breaking in my RC-70's up front (replacing my 2 RC-10's in 5.1system).

Should I wait until 100hrs until I run YPAO for my new config?
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Nah, go ahead and run it. It's not like magic switch is flipped when the speaker reaches 100 hours. Most of the "mechanical" break in (settling of materials) is already long since done. If you are feeling frisky you can always re-run YPAO in a few weeks just to be "safe".
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The benefit would be if the excessive bass from the center speaker (due to physical location) causes the dialogue to become muddy and unintelligible. I plug the ports on my RC-LCR because it's less than a foot from the back wall and I found dialogue was much clearer with the ports plugged.

With ports, it's really a case-by-case thing, you have to try it both ways and see what sounds good to you. I think the "default" should be ports open (since that's the way the speaker was designed to operate) and the port plugs should be viewed as a potential solution should a problem arise.

Out of curiosity have you tried swapping the V5.2C with the dented tweeter with one of the other ones, just to make sure the tonality difference you are hearing is not simply due to the acoustic position of the speaker?

Cool, thanks. For now i'll leave it open, sounds better for me.

I have not tried that, however i will when i get home later.
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post


Thanks, this is an older photo, I just wanted to dig up something I already had available to show how my RC-LCR looked with the door stoppers angling it up. I don't actually run dual front speakers, that photo was taken when I had a pair of Veritas V2.1's that I hooked up to A/B with the RC-10's.

In my "normal" setup the RC-10's are sitting on the side tables where the V2.1's are in this photo. As you can see the side tables (which BTW I actually built myself and stained to match the rosenut) are a few inches lower than the console, which is why I have the FR/FL speakers sitting on those MoPads to angle them up.

Here's a closeup:


Those door stoppers are a great idea. i'll try that.
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