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post #43441 of 51531
I doubt you'd damage the sub but you're certainly not using it the right way. Unless you told your AVR that you don't have a sub, you should use the sub pre out. The sub pre out will have the LFE channel and the content of all other channels under your crossover frequency.
post #43442 of 51531
Since the 8.2 is powered, I don't think you're getting any benefit from the amps if you connect the signal through. I would think you have a sub out on the receiver, I'd use that and use the Emotivas to drive the front two. Just my 2 cents...

What receiver are you using?
post #43443 of 51531
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Originally Posted by kgallerie View Post

Is there any chance I could be "damaging my equipment" by doing this? I just wanted to check and make sure before I get everything hooked up with the newly used amp.

You are "crossing the streams." It can't be good for a receiver to connect the left and right output of anything together.

As neutro said, use the subwoofer output on your receiver to the subwoofer. Or does your subwoofer have speaker level inputs (which sub do you have)? You could split the speaker output from the amp and run the left channel to both the left speaker and the sub, and same for the right channel.
post #43444 of 51531
Sorry....I should have been more specific......this is my 2.1 music set up. Not my HT.

I have a stereo denon DRA-635r which only has L and R preouts. I was running the speakers from the receiver and using the pre-outs to get the signal to the powered sub. Its been working like that and sound fine.

When I get the amp, I was going to use the dra-635r as the pre-amp, and split the pre-outs to the amp and to the sub. But the sub only has a single RCA input. I am getting the amp because I want a more robust amp that can handle 4 ohm loads. This is the system i use to play around with different speakers so I want the flexibility with the impedance.


Any thoughts?
post #43445 of 51531
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Originally Posted by kgallerie View Post

Sorry....I should have been more specific......this is my 2.1 music set up. Not my HT.

I have a stereo denon DRA-635r which only has L and R preouts. I was running the speakers from the receiver and using the pre-outs to get the signal to the powered sub. Its been working like that and sound fine.

When I get the amp, I was going to use the dra-635r as the pre-amp, and split the pre-outs to the amp and to the sub. But the sub only has a single RCA input. I am getting the amp because I want a more robust amp that can handle 4 ohm loads. This is the system i use to play around with different speakers so I want the flexibility with the impedance.


Any thoughts?

What sub do you have?
post #43446 of 51531
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

What sub do you have?

energy S8.2

you checking for speaker level inputs? I could do that instead. Its a bit messier doing it that way and would prefer to use the RCAs. But if using the splitter backwards isnt recommended, using the speaker level inputs on the sub might be my only option.
post #43447 of 51531
since you have a stereo receiver with one set of preouts and no dedicated subwoofer output I would just get a pair of Monoprice Y cables. Output 1 left and right to the amp and 1 left at right to the sub.

I think the s8.2 has a crossover dial on the front next to the port. You can set it to 80 or 100hz whichever is best for your needs.
post #43448 of 51531
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

since you have a stereo receiver with one set of preouts and no dedicated subwoofer output I would just get a pair of Monoprice Y cables. Output 1 left and right to the amp and 1 left at right to the sub.

The subwoofer only has 1 mono RCA input though. How do I get the signal from both the L and R preouts to the single RCA mono input on the sub?

I've been looking at it, and the sub has speaker level inputs and outputs (pass through). I'll just run the speaker wires through the sub, then to the speakers. Thats probably the best way to go about it.
post #43449 of 51531
If the S8.2 has speaker-level inputs you could use that indeed. Else you should find a small stereo-to-mono mixer. Or, use a sub with stereo inputs and keep the S8.2 for another purpose.
post #43450 of 51531
According to this photo the s8.2 has dual RCA inputs.

post #43451 of 51531
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

According to this photo the s8.2 has dual RCA inputs.


The connections on the left are all outputs (A single mono RCA out, and a pair of speaker level outs).

The connections on the right are the inputs.
post #43452 of 51531
Got it, thanks.
post #43453 of 51531
Funny, stumbled upon this tidbit, it's from a brief write-up coverage of the 2000 CES Show in Las Vegas:


the captioned explained (quote):
"Energy's new additions to their Veritas line include (left to right): V2.4 ($3500 per pair), V2.3 ($2500 per pair), V2.2 ($1500 per pair), V2.1 ($1000 per pair). Far right, top to bottom are the V2.0R ($1000 per pair) and V2.0C center-channel ($800 each). All use woofers made of a poly/talc/aluminum combination"
post #43454 of 51531
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Originally Posted by kgallerie View Post

The connections on the left are all outputs (A single mono RCA out, and a pair of speaker level outs).

The connections on the right are the inputs.

Actually, I stand corrected.....the RCA on the right is labelled "input" and the RCA on the left is labeled "x-over". So it looks like you use the left RCA as an input if you use an external crossover. See this diagram from the manual. Its a little fuzzy but hopefully you can see it.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh209/kgallerie/Energy_S82_zps5d58bb94.jpg



Regardless, I dont think I would want to both of those inputs as a left and right input, correct?
post #43455 of 51531
Exactly, it's indeed a second input. Quoting the manual:
Quote:
SUBWOOFER FEATURES
(...)
Low-Level RCA Input Jacks
The two RCA Input jacks allow you to connect your subwoofer to EITHER:
1)
The subwoofer mono output of an A/V Receiver/Processor OR
2)
The subwoofer output of an External Crossover.

However I don't think the two inputs are internally summed as it's the case when subs have stereo inputs. I think you either use the normal input OR the external crossover input (see how EITHER is capitalized).
post #43456 of 51531
I'm having an internal debat today as it is the last day of the RC-70 sale at Future Shop.....$799 for the pair. I already have RC-70's on the front and RC-50's on the rear. I have a Paradigm LCR-450 as a center.....bought in 1997 or 1998.......works great....but would like to upgrade it. It is really too bad that Energy never made a LARGE 3-way center that would have the same drivers as the RC-70 (like a Paradigm 690). I had bought a Rosenut RC-LCR at one point but it had some scratches and strange white marks and scuffs on it.......I did not think it sounded better than the LCR-450, but it was not broken in either.

Anyway I was thinking of getting 2 more RC-70's to use as rear speakers......I have the Onkyo 3009 and a Paradigm Servo 15 and a Velodyne DSL5000....the pans across the front channels move very smoothly right now (XT32!!) but I find dialog occationally hard to understand on the LCR-450 and may want to improve my center too. I could still get an RC-LCR right now but the sources are very expensive (should have got one when they were cheaper), I may look at Paradigm and may wait for the new Reference series that should come out in the fall as I think that may be the best sound quality...........
post #43457 of 51531
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

Exactly, it's indeed a second input. Quoting the manual:
Quote:
SUBWOOFER FEATURES
(...)
Low-Level RCA Input Jacks
The two RCA Input jacks allow you to connect your subwoofer to EITHER:
1)
The subwoofer mono output of an A/V Receiver/Processor OR
2)
The subwoofer output of an External Crossover.

However I don't think the two inputs are internally summed as it's the case when subs have stereo inputs. I think you either use the normal input OR the external crossover input (see how EITHER is capitalized).

That is correct, it was the standard design for many years on Energy subs.

The two inputs are NOT summed, it's one or the other. One of the inputs is filtered (passes through volume and LPF blocks) whereas the other input is a "direct" unfiltered input for use with a digital receiver that will be supplying volume control and crossover.

@ kgallerie -- my recommendation is to use the speaker level inputs/outputs and place the sub in-line between the amp and the speakers. This is the easiest connection method for an older stereo receiver that doesn't have a mono SW pre-out. If you had a sub with L/R inputs then it wouldn't be an issue but for the S8.2 there is only a mono input option, so the speaker wire (high level) stereo inputs are the way to go.
post #43458 of 51531
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

That is correct, it was the standard design for many years on Energy subs.

The two inputs are NOT summed, it's one or the other. One of the inputs is filtered (passes through volume and LPF blocks) whereas the other input is a "direct" unfiltered input for use with a digital receiver that will be supplying volume control and crossover.

@ kgallerie -- my recommendation is to use the speaker level inputs/outputs and place the sub in-line between the amp and the speakers. This is the easiest connection method for an older stereo receiver that doesn't have a mono SW pre-out. If you had a sub with L/R inputs then it wouldn't be an issue but for the S8.2 there is only a mono input option, so the speaker wire (high level) stereo inputs are the way to go.

Great. Thanks batpig and everyone else for their input. Looks like I have some rewiring to do this weekend.....and I get to play with my new amp! OH WHAT FUN!!!!! biggrin.gif


Edited by kgallerie - 1/17/13 at 12:33pm
post #43459 of 51531
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

If the S8.2 has speaker-level inputs you could use that indeed. Else you should find a small stereo-to-mono mixer. Or, use a sub with stereo inputs and keep the S8.2 for another purpose.

+1

This is definitely the way to go.
post #43460 of 51531
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Originally Posted by Szeppelin75 View Post

I hear you, i have a 17 month boy that runs and screams around a lot. For my to run audyssey i ahve to wait to be alone in the house.

I don't know how important is to do all 6 positions, i read somewhere that the first/main listening position is the important one to do un Audyssey, oh well...

The first one is important because it determines the distants of all the speakers and the db coming from the sub ( you want the sub to be +/- 3 dbs anythign higher turn down the sub also if you get max number +/- db's adjust the sub.) But in order to get the best room corrections possible you need to run all 6 (or if you have multi xt 8) positions.
post #43461 of 51531
When I run audyssey, after measuring the MLP, I put all the other positions around the MLP in a circle with a radius of a foot or so. It's a preference thing but I prefer doing that instead of measuring every seat. Harmann agrees biggrin.gif
post #43462 of 51531
I will. Whenever i get the chance.
post #43463 of 51531
So, can anyone tell me if Energy is an upgraded product by Klipsch, or is Energy on the same level as Klipsch far as quality goes?

For example, the Klipsch KF-28 versus the Energy CF-70 floorstanding speakers. Overall, which is the better buy?

And for that matter, how does Energy measure up to Polk?
post #43464 of 51531
It's really hard to say honestly, it depends on what line you are looking at. Energy was bought out by Klipsch, so it's not like it was a separate "budget" or "upscale" brand.

In general you can get a decent proxy by comparing msrp. For example, the Energy CF/CB "Connoisseur" lineup is approximately equal to the Polk TSi or Monitor lines, whereas the RC line is more like the RTi or LSi lines.

In my opinion, Energy's entry-level stuff is much better than that of other brands (like Polk) but it's hard to make generalizations going forward since we have no idea what will happen now that Audiovox is in charge.
post #43465 of 51531
Hi All,

I'm looking at picking up the Energy 5.1 Take Classic for a 1 bdrm apt living room. Going to pair it with Sony STRDN1030 and Mitsubishi WD-73742. (i have a Hitachi 57inch, now, but want to upgrade smile.gif )

Anyway..question is...Stands. I've been trying to find a good Stand set for the Sats, but everything seems to not fit quit right and requires "tweaking" of kind. (t-bar, diff screws, etc). Mounting isn't really much of an option outside of just putting a nail in the wall and hanging it. Which I'll do if I can't find a Stand that will out of the box.

So...any suggestions? TIA
post #43466 of 51531
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Originally Posted by NeedAName View Post

Hi All,

I'm looking at picking up the Energy 5.1 Take Classic for a 1 bdrm apt living room. Going to pair it with Sony STRDN1030 and Mitsubishi WD-73742. (i have a Hitachi 57inch, now, but want to upgrade smile.gif )

Anyway..question is...Stands. I've been trying to find a good Stand set for the Sats, but everything seems to not fit quit right and requires "tweaking" of kind. (t-bar, diff screws, etc). Mounting isn't really much of an option outside of just putting a nail in the wall and hanging it. Which I'll do if I can't find a Stand that will out of the box.

So...any suggestions? TIA

I would wall mount. Those speakers are so light that a screw will easily hold them and they have a keyhole mount so it's as easy as just hanging them on the screw.
post #43467 of 51531
Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedAName View Post

Hi All,

I'm looking at picking up the Energy 5.1 Take Classic for a 1 bdrm apt living room. Going to pair it with Sony STRDN1030 and Mitsubishi WD-73742. (i have a Hitachi 57inch, now, but want to upgrade smile.gif )

Anyway..question is...Stands. I've been trying to find a good Stand set for the Sats, but everything seems to not fit quit right and requires "tweaking" of kind. (t-bar, diff screws, etc). Mounting isn't really much of an option outside of just putting a nail in the wall and hanging it. Which I'll do if I can't find a Stand that will out of the box.

So...any suggestions? TIA
I mounted mine with these

They do also have a keyhole so you can do that as well. The speakers are so small and light I think it might look kind of crazy on a stand tongue.gif just imo
post #43468 of 51531
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

When I run audyssey, after measuring the MLP, I put all the other positions around the MLP in a circle with a radius of a foot or so. It's a preference thing but I prefer doing that instead of measuring every seat. Harmann agrees biggrin.gif
It is true that u don't necessarily have to do it in every seat per say. you want the first one In the man listening position and then each other position 2-3 feet apart from each other there's a diagram showing on the audyssey thread if I find it I'll post it for you guys. Again it's completely optional lord knows my setup isn't perfect biggrin.gif. I'm. One of those guys with the rear seat up avaunt the wall with no room behind me
post #43469 of 51531
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Originally Posted by JKR1963 View Post

I'm having an internal debat today as it is the last day of the RC-70 sale at Future Shop.....$799 for the pair.
I believe this is already the third week that the $399 price has carried over from the previous week so I wouldn't be surprised for it to roll over again. What's odd too is that they only advertise a $100 savings even though they were priced at $1249 for months before they went down to their current price.
post #43470 of 51531
(((nirvana power )))) returned 5 rc-70 you can Save some money getting his returned speakers he is from Oshawa ontario if you leave close to there check out those at futureshop from Oshawa and save some money.
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