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post #43621 of 51438
Ah I may be wrong, and what's 3 Hz between friends. Agreed on the sub being needed for any serious HT usage.
post #43622 of 51438
What crossover settings is everyone using for their RC set ups? Audyssey set my RC 70's to 40, RC LCR to 40 and the RC 10's to 50. Seemed too low for the LCR and 10's so I bumped the LCR to 50 and the 10's to 60Hz. The whole setup is around 10Hz high than their rated specs which I figured would provide a clean transition to the sub. My EXL S10 sub isn't of the quality of the RC series and thought it should be used for just .1 duty and rounding out the bottom of the RC's.
post #43623 of 51438
set your LCR and RC-10 speakers to 80hz and maybe your RC-70's to 60hz.

The EXL s10 isn't a bad little 10" sub. I have one of those.

The s10.3 is better which I have in my main room but the exl:s10 is pretty decent.
post #43624 of 51438
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Originally Posted by durhambird View Post

What crossover settings is everyone using for their RC set ups? Audyssey set my RC 70's to 40, RC LCR to 40 and the RC 10's to 50. Seemed too low for the LCR and 10's so I bumped the LCR to 50 and the 10's to 60Hz. The whole setup is around 10Hz high than their rated specs which I figured would provide a clean transition to the sub. My EXL S10 sub isn't of the quality of the RC series and thought it should be used for just .1 duty and rounding out the bottom of the RC's.

My take on it is a bit different. I don't try to bottom out the speakers, figuring that they have a lot of responsibility above the level that a sub operates in.

The normal human hearing range is 20 Hz to 20 KHz, and octaves increase as frequency doubles, so the human hearing range spans 10 octaves. If we start at 20, the progression is:

0 20 Start
1 40
2 80
3 160
4 320
5 640
6 1280
7 2560
8 5120
9 10240
10 20480

So the typical sub is only responsible for octaves 1 and 2 (assuming that you cross it over at 80 Hz) while the speaker has to reproduce the next eight.

Given the finite amount of amplification available, and the fact that the sub is expressly made to handle the bottom two octaves well, why not send those to it, and allow the speakers to service the upper eight octaves well without having to strain to hit low.

So I cross my RC50's, RC-LCR, RC-10's and RC mini's at 80 Hz. I have two S10.3 subs (apartment) to handle the low end, sounds pretty good.

Just my 2 cents...
post #43625 of 51438
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So I cross my RC50's, RC-LCR, RC-10's and RC mini's at 80 Hz. I have two S10.3 subs (apartment) to handle the low end, sounds pretty good.

Your RC-Minis have very little to no output at 80hz, you might want to bump those up to 100hz.
post #43626 of 51438
I'll ask this question:

What crossover settings is everyone using for their V-5.2-C fronstage set ups?
post #43627 of 51438
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

Your RC-Minis have very little to no output at 80hz, you might want to bump those up to 100hz.

True - my AVR (Pioneer Elite VSX-33) doesn't allow multiple crossovers, so I either lose a little on the backs or bump everything up to 100, so I'll take a little less from the back until I have enough room to drop one of my boxed RC-10's there.

The mini's are nominally 80 Hz, but I know what you mean.
post #43628 of 51438
What would be the ideal crossover for a fronstage of three Veritas 5.2-C?
post #43629 of 51438
Absent any other details ( eg measurements) 80 hz.
post #43630 of 51438
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

Your RC-Minis have very little to no output at 80hz, you might want to bump those up to 100hz.

True - my AVR (Pioneer Elite VSX-33) doesn't allow multiple crossovers, so I either lose a little on the backs or bump everything up to 100, so I'll take a little less from the back until I have enough room to drop one of my boxed RC-10's there.

The mini's are nominally 80 Hz, but I know what you mean.



The RC-MINI at 80hz will distort like crazy I used to have then and had to set then at the maximum 200hz in order to get the best sound from then.if you play then at low volumes I will said maybe is okay for the 80hz .but Im pretty sure your are not getting clean 80hz they will roll off before hitting 80hz.
Edited by losservatore - 1/23/13 at 12:42pm
post #43631 of 51438
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Absent any other details ( eg measurements) 80 hz.

Mine were set at 80hz with Auddysey but with speakers Large, when i changed the size of the speakers to small it went down to 40hz. is that normal?
Edited by Szeppelin75 - 1/23/13 at 12:41pm
post #43632 of 51438
While everyone is on the topic of crossovers, is there a recommended setting for V-Minis?

Audyssey set this 60 for the center, 70 for the fronts and 80 for surrounds. I bumped them all up to 80, does that sounds about right for these speakers?
post #43633 of 51438
My RC Mini's are set at 100hz, the V-Mini is basically the same speaker.
post #43634 of 51438
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

The RC-MINI at 80hz will distort like crazy I used to have then and had to set then at the maximum 200hz in order to get the best sound from then.if you play then at low volumes I will said maybe is okay for the 80hz .but Im pretty sure your are not getting clean 80hz they will roll off before hitting 80hz.

Mine are not distorting, but then again I use them as surround backs and don't blast them (apartment).
post #43635 of 51438
The minis should be fine at anywhere from 100-120hz. I wouldn't set them as low as 80hz but in a specific situation like hernanu where they are only use as surr.backs and the receiver only has one option you could get away with it.
post #43636 of 51438
Should i just change my V-5.2C to 80hz and set the speakers to small?
post #43637 of 51438
I'm either lucky enough or crazy enough (depending on how you look at it) to run pretty powerful dual subs on the front stage with my RC setup. I also have a Pio AVR that only allows a single crossover, and I initially set it at 80 Hz. I bumped that to 100 Hz and feel that higher bass is better reproduced at high volumes with the subs than the RC-70s. Pops and thuds are livelier. With the duals localization is not a problem, but the 6.5 in woofers on the 70's are no match for the bigger woofers of honest subs. Music sounds great too with the subs, but your mileage may vary: electric bass can play as low as 40 Hz, so make sure your sub is appropriate for music before setting the crossover high. You don't want to trade shear output if it's for muddy instrumental bass. But I could not really get any sort of satisfying chest thump with the 70s alone, or if the subs are crossed over too low.

One thing I'd like to try is to run the dual subs in stereo, that is, incorporating them into the L and R channels. However since I lack speaker level inputs with those subs, the only way I see of doing this involves buying lots of new gear (AVR with pre outs, amp) and who knows, maybe I wouldn't like it anyway.
post #43638 of 51438
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

The minis should be fine at anywhere from 100-120hz. I wouldn't set them as low as 80hz but in a specific situation like hernanu where they are only use as surr.backs and the receiver only has one option you could get away with it.

I did at one time have an all RC mini setup and used a 100 crossover, since the next step up was 150. They did a good job in a reasonable sized space at moderate volume; I tried the 150 Hz crossover, but did not like it as much.
post #43639 of 51438
Room response & placement will affect the setup as well. I have v-minis all around and an Emotiva Ultra 10 sub in a small-to-medium carpeted room. Audyssey has set my x-over variably at 80 for the front & 100 for the surrounds, 100 for the front and 120 for the surrounds, etc., depending on speaker placement. I used as close to the same listening positions as I could each time.
post #43640 of 51438
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Originally Posted by Szeppelin75 View Post

Should i just change my V-5.2C to 80hz and set the speakers to small?

Correct smile.gif
post #43641 of 51438
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

I'm either lucky enough or crazy enough (depending on how you look at it) to run pretty powerful dual subs on the front stage with my RC setup. I also have a Pio AVR that only allows a single crossover, and I initially set it at 80 Hz. I bumped that to 100 Hz and feel that higher bass is better reproduced at high volumes with the subs than the RC-70s. Pops and thuds are livelier. With the duals localization is not a problem, but the 6.5 in woofers on the 70's are no match for the bigger woofers of honest subs.

Agreed. If you are fortunate enough to have two awesome subs I would set the crossover higher than 80Hz. The reason the "standard" recommendation isn't higher than 80Hz is purely do to localization issues, and if you have dual subs which smooth out the response and mitigate that problem, I would definitely go up to 100-120Hz. As you note, it really depends on the quality of the subs, but if you have excellent subs that play easily up to 100Hz+ with low distortion, there's a lot of benefit to doing so.
post #43642 of 51438
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Agreed. If you are fortunate enough to have two awesome subs I would set the crossover higher than 80Hz. The reason the "standard" recommendation isn't higher than 80Hz is purely do to localization issues, and if you have dual subs which smooth out the response and mitigate that problem, I would definitely go up to 100-120Hz. As you note, it really depends on the quality of the subs, but if you have excellent subs that play easily up to 100Hz+ with low distortion, there's a lot of benefit to doing so.

I set my AT 451e's to 110 hz biggrin.gif Sounded better than 80hz
post #43643 of 51438
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

I'm either lucky enough or crazy enough (depending on how you look at it) to run pretty powerful dual subs on the front stage with my RC setup. I also have a Pio AVR that only allows a single crossover, and I initially set it at 80 Hz. I bumped that to 100 Hz and feel that higher bass is better reproduced at high volumes with the subs than the RC-70s. Pops and thuds are livelier. With the duals localization is not a problem, but the 6.5 in woofers on the 70's are no match for the bigger woofers of honest subs. Music sounds great too with the subs, but your mileage may vary: electric bass can play as low as 40 Hz, so make sure your sub is appropriate for music before setting the crossover high. You don't want to trade shear output if it's for muddy instrumental bass. But I could not really get any sort of satisfying chest thump with the 70s alone, or if the subs are crossed over too low.

One thing I'd like to try is to run the dual subs in stereo, that is, incorporating them into the L and R channels. However since I lack speaker level inputs with those subs, the only way I see of doing this involves buying lots of new gear (AVR with pre outs, amp) and who knows, maybe I wouldn't like it anyway.

I did something similar. After reading about a few members trying higher crossovers, I did it myself. And liked the results. The rc-70's are @ 100. Everything else is @ 110 or 120.
post #43644 of 51438
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

set your LCR and RC-10 speakers to 80hz and maybe your RC-70's to 60hz.

The EXL s10 isn't a bad little 10" sub. I have one of those.

The s10.3 is better which I have in my main room but the exl:s10 is pretty decent.

Thanks, I changed my crossover to 60 for the RC 70's and 80 for the LCR and the RC 10'. It's where I had it before, was trying to make "full use" of the RC's. Maybe it is a better idea to take some of the load off my modest amp to put it on the sub. Judging from some other posts, I might even raise it slightly more but I'm afraid of localization over 80Hz with only one sub.
post #43645 of 51438
batpig on my receiver if I set my main speakers to 60hz or lower my sub start to loss some output and I have to level up the sub volume knob again.maybe I need( nirvana power ) biggrin.gif weak receiver?
post #43646 of 51438
Well. I set all my speakers crossover to 80hz and not it sounds much better. Deeper. Fuller. Morr bassy.
post #43647 of 51438
I have my yamaha crossover set to 60hz with three veritas v5.2's but I can't decide of like it on 60,80,90 or 100 frown.gif I would like more mid bass out of the veritas and more deep bass out of the sub ( tight clean bass )
post #43648 of 51438
Going along with the crossover - bass management theme, do you use the port plugs? I haven't tried them yet with my RC 70's. They are placed close to the back wall but not flush against it. I've read that I will lose some depth to the base but will make it tighter. Any worries about high volumes and the port plugs? Will the tighter enclosure make them harder to drive?

Thanks
post #43649 of 51438


This is the back of my sub !! If I put it in lfe ( white only ) I lose a lot of bass!!
Edited by benca1 - 1/23/13 at 4:22pm
post #43650 of 51438


Another pic !!
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