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This is the back of my sub !! If I put it in lfe ( white only ) I lose a lot of bass!!
Edited by benca1 - 1/23/13 at 4:22pm
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Another pic !!
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I don't have a setting on the receiver for lfe/lpf only on the back of the sub??? So what the hell do I do ?? I have receiver setting for
Speakers on small crossover set to 80hz!! But that's it sub level is 0!! I have the gain setting on sub like at 4?? And crossover on sub all the way up! Like 200hz !! Please help me
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

I set my AT 451e's to 110 hz biggrin.gif Sounded better than 80hz

Well, you also have four subs, so you should be able to go even higher wink.gif
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All it has is what u see above on pictures!! What should the lpf on the right be set to ? 80hz , 90hz , or all the way ?
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Bro, take a breath and calm down. What receiver do you have?
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Bro, take a breath and calm down. What receiver do you have?
lol ha ha I have yamaha 473

I put some pics of the back of the sub above ( will be replacing it soon )

I have the speakers set to small and crossover at 80hz ........

the sub gain ( on the back of the sub ) at around 4 and the crossover/lpf at max 200hz!!

Anything I'm missing or wrong ?
Edited by benca1 - 1/23/13 at 4:33pm
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Are you saying you have less bass if you use only the white cable *as opposed to both red and white cables*? That would be simply because both inputs are internally summed, but you're if you're using a splitter on the sub pre out, then it's the same content on both wires. When using both then you're simply adding 6 dB at the input. You could achieve the same with a single cable and raising the sub trim level by +6 dB.

If you're using stereo inputs (full range) to your sub, then of course you must use both cables in order to have bass content from both left and right channels.
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

Are you saying you have less bass if you use only the white cable *as opposed to both red and white cables*? That would be simply because both inputs are internally summed, but you're if you're using a splitter on the sub pre out, then it's the same content on both wires. When using both then you're simply adding 6 dB at the input. You could achieve the same with a single cable and raising the sub trim level by +6 dB.



If you're using stereo inputs (full range) to your sub, then of course you must use both cables in order to have bass content from both left and right channels.

I have a lfe cable coming from back of receiver going to the sub !! I had about until about 5 minutes ago a y adapter on the sub end taking the single
Lfe cable into the sub red and white!! I unplugged the splitter and just used the lfe cable from the receiver straight to the white plug on the back of the sub!!
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OK then, here's what you need to know:

1) the reason you get less bass only using one of the inputs is that these two inputs are summed mono feeds. It actually doesn't make any difference which one you plug into, but sub manufacturers designate one of the inputs as "LFE" so people who have modern receivers with a single sub out know which one to plug into. When you split the signal and plug into both inputs, you are doubling the input voltage so you get an approx. 3dB bump in volume. But when you calibrate the system using your receiver's YPAO, it will just set the sub 3dB lower to provide the same volume. So it really doesn't matter either way.

2) with a modern receiver, the digital processing in the receiver determines the bass management (crossovers). So yes, you do want to crank the sub knob all the way up to 200Hz so you get the filter in the sub out of the way. Then, the crossover setting in the receiver is allowed to work properly.

So basically everything is fine. Just run YPAO and it will calibrate the system and you are good to go.

Does this really require so many exclamation points? tongue.gif
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Finally figured out to my low volume problem - the input source level on my receiver was at 0, bumped it by a little and my ears max out at about 65-70 vol.

This was with reference to my earlier question I had posted with low volumes from my system, not able to figure out a way to link it back here, pardon me smile.gif
Edited by SandyMan007 - 1/23/13 at 4:51pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

OK then, here's what you need to know:

1) the reason you get less bass only using one of the inputs is that these two inputs are summed mono feeds. It actually doesn't make any difference which one you plug into, but sub manufacturers designate one of the inputs as "LFE" so people who have modern receivers with a single sub out know which one to plug into. When you split the signal and plug into both inputs, you are doubling the input voltage so you get an approx. 3dB bump in volume. But when you calibrate the system using your receiver's YPAO, it will just set the sub 3dB lower to provide the same volume. So it really doesn't matter either way.

2) with a modern receiver, the digital processing in the receiver determines the bass management (crossovers). So yes, you do want to crank the sub knob all the way up to 200Hz so you get the filter in the sub out of the way. Then, the crossover setting in the receiver is allowed to work properly.

So basically everything is fine. Just run YPAO and it will calibrate the system and you are good to go.

Does this really require so many exclamation points? tongue.gif
hanks buddy smile.gif
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Originally Posted by benca1 View Post

I have my yamaha crossover set to 60hz with three veritas v5.2's but I can't decide of like it on 60,80,90 or 100 frown.gif I would like more mid bass out of the veritas and more deep bass out of the sub ( tight clean bass )

If you don't have a way to measure then you will just have to set it by ear. I would NOT set it at 60Hz, try the other options (put on some good stereo music with solid bass) and pick the setting that gives the most pleasing, smooth bass response.

The speaker is already rolling off hard at 60Hz so you want to set a crossover that's a bit higher than the natural roll-off to complement the speaker: http://www.hometheater.com/content/energy-veritas-v-51-speaker-system-ht-labs-measures
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

batpig on my receiver if I set my main speakers to 60hz or lower my sub start to loss some output and I have to level up the sub volume knob again.maybe I need( nirvana power ) biggrin.gif weak receiver?

Well this makes sense right? If you lower the crossover, then less content is going to the subwoofer, so it *should* lose some output. I wouldn't turn up the sub to compensate, just set the crossover at a higher point so the sub is doing more work.

It could also be related to speaker / room acoustics issues. I actually set my RC-10's at a 60Hz crossover (where Audyssey measures them) because when I tried 80Hz, mid-bass performance was worse. Apparently my sub has a null somewhere around there and I get a smoother transition at 60Hz than 80Hz. Hopefully I'll be able to measure soon and confirm.
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batpig
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Wow imagine the hours spent here biggrin.gif
EDIT: congrats of course wink.gif
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Hah. Congrats. 20000 posts of Energy, Denon, and power bridges. wink.gif
Edited by Wolowizard - 1/23/13 at 6:07pm
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Thanks guys everything I have sounds great now smile.gif
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

batpig on my receiver if I set my main speakers to 60hz or lower my sub start to loss some output and I have to level up the sub volume knob again.maybe I need( nirvana power ) biggrin.gif weak receiver?

Well this makes sense right? If you lower the crossover, then less content is going to the subwoofer, so it *should* lose some output. I wouldn't turn up the sub to compensate, just set the crossover at a higher point so the sub is doing more work.

It could also be related to speaker / room acoustics issues. I actually set my RC-10's at a 60Hz crossover (where Audyssey measures them) because when I tried 80Hz, mid-bass performance was worse. Apparently my sub has a null somewhere around there and I get a smoother transition at 60Hz than 80Hz. Hopefully I'll be able to measure soon and confirm.



Yes makes sense biggrin.gif I didn't think about it redface.gif

You are totally right. wink.gif


but now I feel $#%&$@ redface.gif
Edited by losservatore - 1/23/13 at 6:18pm
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20,000 posts. Damn batpig! You reached god level at avs lol
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Congrats BP!!!!!!!! Hopefully there's at least 20,000 more to come. biggrin.gif
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Maybe he is gonna retire suddenly after #20,000 biggrin.gif
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20,000 since 2007 You better show some respect to batpig wink.gif


I always show respect to the dedicated persons in the audio and video community ,my recommendation!!!! never try to get too smart with then if you are new in the audio and video world or you can easily be embarrassed by their knowledge.


batpig my respect for you wink.gif



Congrats biggrin.gif
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20,000 since 2007 You better show some respect to batpig wink.gif


I always show respect to the dedicated persons in the audio and video community ,my recommendation!!!! never try to get too smart with then if you are new in the audio and video world or you can easily be embarrassed by their knowledge.


batpig my respect for you wink.gif



Congrats biggrin.gif
3,333 posts per year eek.gif
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20,000 posts. Damn batpig! You reached god level at avs lol
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

20,000 since 2007 You better show some respect to batpig wink.gif


I always show respect to the dedicated persons in the audio and video community ,my recommendation!!!! never try to get too smart with then if you are new in the audio and video world or you can easily be embarrassed by their knowledge.


batpig my respect for you wink.gif



Congrats biggrin.gif

Well said my friend!!!!
Edited by benca1 - 1/23/13 at 6:57pm
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3,333 posts per year eek.gif

So if you think about it, that's only like 9 -10 posts per day...what a slacker!! tongue.gif

No, just kidding. While I haven't been on the Energy and Denon forums until recently, Batpig your help could not be appreciated more. Thanks for all the great advice.
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My respects to you Batpig, congratulations on the milestone.

On a personal note, thanks for all the help you've given me and many others in the Energy and Denon forums.

Here's to 20,000 more.
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Congrats, batpig!
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batpig
terrorist and rioter

online
20,000 Posts. Joined 2/2007
Location: San Diego


WOW
NICE biggrin.gif
Get a life batpig. biggrin.gif Don't you have some terrorism or rioting to do?
Edited by Bond 007 - 1/23/13 at 8:42pm
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