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post #43741 of 51519
i have RC30 fronts, RC10 surrounds, RCLCR and a capable 8" Mirage sub.. seeing 5xV-Mini setup at $400 on eBay (from wwstereo), i am thinking on grabbing, for future 5.1 to 9.1 expansion.

but found pretty average to bad reviews on vanns.com. are they really so mediocre?
also, being on brighter side, at least compared to RC series, would that be an issue using in my setup.

appreciate early inputs, so i can grab these.. thx in advance.
post #43742 of 51519
So i went and grabbed those CR-10 surrounds today.

Got em up and running and did the YPAO test and it is setting them as small, should I change that to large or leave it as it sets them?
post #43743 of 51519
Do they look large to you?

If you have a subwoofer then ALL your speakers are "small". All it means is, "yes, use bass management".
post #43744 of 51519
Just replaced my front L/R from the Take Classics to CB-20s...wow! Big difference in quality on movies and CDs, I shouldn't have waited that long. Now I just need to replace my center (Take Classic) with a V-Mini-c and I am good to go. Well, until I get sick of the sub and surrounds...and the AVR...ah, who am I kidding, I will never be done upgrading.
post #43745 of 51519
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

Many people had commented that B&W speakers are bright , then that necessarily mean they are bad speakers?

i did not say bright = bad, i just asked if V-Minis being brighter than RC setup, would that be an issue or not..
post #43746 of 51519
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Originally Posted by tex94 View Post

Just replaced my front L/R from the Take Classics to CB-20s...wow! Big difference in quality on movies and CDs, I shouldn't have waited that long. Now I just need to replace my center (Take Classic) with a V-Mini-c and I am good to go. Well, until I get sick of the sub and surrounds...and the AVR...ah, who am I kidding, I will never be done upgrading.

Welcome in the club biggrin.gif

You know the center matching the CB-20 is the CC-10 right? It will blend perfectly. Some find it too big but if you can make it fit in both your HT setup and your budget, it sure would be a very nice front stage. Not saying the V-Mini center isn't good, on the contrary, but the CC-10 will match the CB-20 tonally and offer better bass.

As for the sub and the rest, well... just tell us when you're ready wink.gif
post #43747 of 51519
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Originally Posted by metropole View Post

Does anyone have experience with : http://www.accessories4less.com ?
It seems they shorten the warranty to 1 year?

I purchased my refurb Denon receiver from them with no problems, and fast, free shipping. I was wary but did a bunch of research on here and even the BBB. The only thing is, make sure you read their return policy. Not exactly generous. Be sure what you are getting is what you want.
post #43748 of 51519
How would u compare these veritas v5.2's 3 of them in a 3.1 vs speakercraft aim cinema 3's with a aim lcr 3 center in a 3.1 setup!!
Edited by benca1 - 1/25/13 at 8:40pm
post #43749 of 51519
And does anyone know where to get some v6.2's I would love 2 of them in black smile.gif
post #43750 of 51519
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Well, you mentioned you had tried the RVSS before and actually preferred the direct radiators as surrounds right? The V2.0Ri's should be an upgrade from the RVSS. The RVSS were the same generation as your other speakers (e.g. AC-300, C-6, A5+2, etc) so you have a sense of the quality difference between those speakers and the Veritas. Obviously the difference will be less noticeable as surrounds, but you can expect a similar jump in quality to the V2.0Ri's.

Looking at your room photos, if you do get the V2.0Ri's then it would be logical to mount them on the side walls to either side of the couch and run them as dipoles. If I'm reading the photos right it does look like you have a wall to either side, correct? You could even leave the C-6's back there and just run them as surround backs.

I would expect to pay $400-500 for a used pair.

The only reason not to use them as mains is that you would be relegating your long-sought-after APS 5+2's to secondary duty.

Yeah, I had mixed feelings with the RVSS's...though I liked them enough to where I would have kept both pairs -- but they didn't come with the mounting apparatus, and I could not locate anything. So, I sold them off.
For surround duty, bipoles do seem to be my best bet. I do have a wall on each side, like you guessed.

A Veritas question: the 2.x series (not 'i') -- can a driver freeze at any time...or if they were going to freeze, would it have likely happened by now? A 2.0c is on sale for a meager $149...which I'm assuming is pretty low? My AC-300 was almost that much.

I'm contemplating a number of things...
1) Nothing. (Life is pretty darn good...why spend more money!?)
2) Maximize what I have, and purchase-to-fill (either now or later).

Currently the office / secondary room is a 5.0 channel setup, with:
5.1e L/R, RVS-1 Center, 2.1e surrounds. No sub.

I am considering swapping around speakers to [potentially] arrange the following

Main room:
v2.2i L/R, v2.0c center (if purchased), C-8 surrounds. s12.3 sub.

Secondary Room:
APS 5+2 L/R, AC-300 center, C-6 surrounds. Four 8" subs via APS 5+2.

The main benefits to the above would be Audyssey-calibrated 2.1ch music from the 2.2i / s12.3 setup in the main room, and "pretty-darn-good-enough" sub-woofer output from the APS 5+2's built-in's (esp. in a smaller room).

I was considering mixing the C series & Audissey speakers with the 'e' series speakers, but when I had the C-8's as fronts and 5.1e's as rears in my old apartment, I could notice that they weren't timbre matched & it was slightly off-putting when pan-effects were occurring.
I think the C-8's are pretty overkill for surrounds, but it would put some beautiful speakers to use, since no one seems to want to pay what they're worth. That would get the C-8's out of the garage, but then put the entire 'current' office setup on the sidelines and / or craigslist.

Thoughts?
What would be a better upgrade path (if any): 2.0Ri's, and then a veritas center...or the center, and then the surrounds? I could even possibly run a phantom center with the 2.2i's, if the 2.0c isn't a good / needed buy?
Or, I could just leave well-enough-alone...and not move anything! wink.gifwink.gif

EDIT: The guy I bought the 2.2i's from is selling his 2.0Ri's for $300 -- better deal to jump on than the $149 2.0c (non-'i')? I'll admit...I've developed Veritas fever, since having the 2.2i's...!
Edited by johnb4467 - 1/26/13 at 3:23pm
post #43751 of 51519
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Originally Posted by benca1 View Post

And does anyone know where to get some v6.2's I would love 2 of them in black smile.gif

Sound Sellers has some listed on Amazon for $450.

http://www.amazon.com/Energy-Veritas-Floorstanding-2-5-Way-Speaker/dp/B005E5CNO2/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1359180126&sr=1-2&keywords=veritas+6.2
post #43752 of 51519
Got those speakers for my father (C-C100 and C-100 pair) and my parents love them! NOW they can tell their TV sound was crappy. My dad said listening to the TV now after hearing the speakers (we did an A and B test during a song playing on Pandora), he feels like he has been "listening to the material through a paper towel roll" and now it is so clear!

He is using my old Yamaha receiver until he gets a new one. Now the multi-zone might not be as high priority, as he is looking for something cheaper. I had him looking at the Pioneer VSX-1022 at $230 on newegg, or the HK posted here yesterday.
post #43753 of 51519
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Originally Posted by Macstatic View Post

Got those speakers for my father (C-C100 and C-100 pair) and my parents love them! NOW they can tell their TV sound was crappy. My dad said listening to the TV now after hearing the speakers (we did an A and B test during a song playing on Pandora), he feels like he has been "listening to the material through a paper towel roll" and now it is so clear!

He is using my old Yamaha receiver until he gets a new one. Now the multi-zone might not be as high priority, as he is looking for something cheaper. I had him looking at the Pioneer VSX-1022 at $230 on newegg, or the HK posted here yesterday.

Now you just need to convince him to get a sub biggrin.gif
post #43754 of 51519
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Originally Posted by Macstatic View Post

Got those speakers for my father (C-C100 and C-100 pair) and my parents love them! NOW they can tell their TV sound was crappy. My dad said listening to the TV now after hearing the speakers (we did an A and B test during a song playing on Pandora), he feels like he has been "listening to the material through a paper towel roll" and now it is so clear!

He is using my old Yamaha receiver until he gets a new one. Now the multi-zone might not be as high priority, as he is looking for something cheaper. I had him looking at the Pioneer VSX-1022 at $230 on newegg, or the HK posted here yesterday.

The only thing i would caution on the HK is that it doesnt have standby passthrough. So you cant set it to run the cable signal through it when its turned off.
post #43755 of 51519
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My dad said listening to the TV now after hearing the speakers (we did an A and B test during a song playing on Pandora), he feels like he has been "listening to the material through a paper towel roll" and now it is so clear!

He is using my old Yamaha receiver until he gets a new one. Now the multi-zone might not be as high priority, as he is looking for something cheaper. I had him looking at the Pioneer VSX-1022 at $230 on newegg, or the HK posted here yesterday.
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The only thing i would caution on the HK is that it doesnt have standby passthrough. So you cant set it to run the cable signal through it when its turned off.

based on the first comment I highly doubt standby passthru will matter since the dad thought his TV speakers sound like "listening to the material through a paper towel roll" wink.gif
post #43756 of 51519
Hahaha smile.gif

Btw, kgallerie, what do you mean by the cable signal won't go through when it's off?
post #43757 of 51519
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Now you just need to convince him to get a sub biggrin.gif

Yes, indeed I do. He loves my Outlaw LFM-2, but they're obviously discontinued. Granted, subs are lower on his priority list, but I'll get him to get 1 one of these days.
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post #43759 of 51519
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Originally Posted by Macstatic View Post

Hahaha smile.gif

Btw, kgallerie, what do you mean by the cable signal won't go through when it's off?

Many modern receivers allow you to pass through an HDMI input while the unit is in standby mode. The most common application of this is for people who want to watch cable TV occasionally without firing up the receiver and surround sound.
post #43760 of 51519
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post


based on the first comment I highly doubt standby passthru will matter since the dad thought his TV speakers sound like "listening to the material through a paper towel roll" wink.gif
That made me LOL. I heard a similar comment once: "That's like trying to get good sound in a public washroom" LOL
post #43761 of 51519
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Originally Posted by Macstatic View Post

Hahaha smile.gif

Btw, kgallerie, what do you mean by the cable signal won't go through when it's off?

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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Many modern receivers allow you to pass through an HDMI input while the unit is in standby mode. The most common application of this is for people who want to watch cable TV occasionally without firing up the receiver and surround sound.

Yup...exactly what batpig said. Its not the end of the world without it. If you want to watch tv without surround sound, you will hae to run the hdmi to the tv and a separate cable (digital coaxial or optical) to the receiver.
post #43762 of 51519
Does any know how the older EXL s10 sub compares to the ESW-C10? The specs seem similar but the EXL s10 weighs 45lbs compared to the ESW-C10 at 28lbs.

Thanks
post #43763 of 51519
Specs really aren't that similar. The old S10 is physically larger, weighs 45lbs (vs 28), and is spec'd to 25hz as the -3db point compared to an undefined 32hz low end sec for the C10. I would bet anything that the S10 will beat the pants off the C10 in overall output and extension. The newer C10 with its ribbed elliptical surround tech may be a bit cleaner (lower distortion) but otherwise the S10 should be superior.
post #43764 of 51519
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Specs really aren't that similar. The old S10 is physically larger, weighs 45lbs (vs 28), and is spec'd to 25hz as the -3db point compared to an undefined 32hz low end sec for the C10. I would bet anything that the S10 will beat the pants off the C10 in overall output and extension. The newer C10 with its ribbed elliptical surround tech may be a bit cleaner (lower distortion) but otherwise the S10 should be superior.

Would my EXL S10 be closer to the output of the V-SW10?
post #43765 of 51519
I can't say for sure whether it's closer to the C10 or the V10 but there is no doubt that the V10 is much better. The V10 has higher quality build and drivers and a much more powerful amp. It may not dig much deeper, and the S10 may actually come fairly close in overall output, but the V10 will likely do so with much lower distortion levels (e.g. cleaner / tighter).
post #43766 of 51519
I have the older exl s10 and the s10.3 subwoofers.

the s10.3 is definitely the better subwoofer. The exl s10 has a 100w RMS/400w peak amp and doesn't play quite as low as the s10.3. I don't think it would be as tight as the ESW-V10 either.

Good sub though, just not on the level of the s10.3 or ESW-V10. Nice bass output for a smaller room.

The ESW-C10 is only spec'd to go down the 32hz. 100w RMS, 400w peak
The exl-s10 is spec'd down to 25hz. 100w RMS, 400w peak.
The s10.3 is spec'd to 21hz 200w RMS, 800w peak
The V10 is spec'd to 23hz and has the fabulous glossy finish. 300w RMS, 1200w peak.
post #43767 of 51519
My RC 70's are about 6 inches from a back wall. If I plug one or both of the ports, is there any chance of damaging the drivers at levels of -10 or 0? How much harder will this be on my 100 watt Onkyo 609 to drive them? Thanks.
post #43768 of 51519
Hey guys,

I currently own a Denon 2311 with 2 RC-70 and a RC-LCR. I'm searching for RC-10 or RC-minis for a few months, with no sucess (Quebec, Canada frown.gif)

I'm thinking of buying 4 CB-10 for side surrounds and rear surrounds. Do you think it will be ok ? Also, do you think CB-10 can be good as height speakers with those I currently own ?

Lastly, any good mounting kits for those CB-10 ?

Thanks !
post #43769 of 51519
Futureshop had the Energy Veritas V-Mini Bookshelf Speaker for $125 each last week. Back to $200 each now. You might be able to get them on sale again soon or find open box.
post #43770 of 51519
Regarding mounting the CB-10s....I just used these for a pair of Energy bookshelves mounted as heights in a 9.2 system. Very easy to install and very sturdy (though the included mounting hardware strips easily....best to supply your own screws).

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000X9O8SI/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
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