Energy Owners Thread - Page 1463

Originally Posted by jbdan 

Not at all it's fine

Originally Posted by neutro 

The matching in-wall speakers are the RC-6W; the matching in-ceiling speakers are the RC-6C, RC-6Cst and RC-8C. However they all got recently sold out at the only location where they had it in stock (Crutchfield). In fact Crutchfield has excaclty 1 RC-6C left :P

So your best bet, as with all other RC products, would be to scan ebay and craigslist.

Or, the RC-70s at Fry's.

Originally Posted by surfer8210 

Thanks Neutro..!

So it looks like I'm SOL as far as finding a pair of RC-6W in-walls to match as my deadline to get these in before I close up my walls is fast approaching. I've tried Craigs, Ebay, and all the usual places one might search I guess.
I really DON'T want to open the walls once again if I can't get hold of a pair before my contractor starts working.
Could anyone offer an opinion as to how these Energy EAS-6W In-Wall Speakers might mate with my RC-10's, RCLCR, and a sub (unsure what type yet)...?

I'm trying to take advantage of the walls being open stud bays w/out insulation and as a result it being easier to run wires and mount speakers. If I don't go with in- walls I guess a Bi-pole-Di-pole combo speaker pair as these will be mainly for surrounds in a 5.1 set up.

It looks like I can get a hold of one RC-6W but obviously I need a pair. Where might I find a single.?

Originally Posted by surfer8210 

Thanks Neutro..!

So it looks like I'm SOL as far as finding a pair of RC-6W in-walls to match as my deadline to get these in before I close up my walls is fast approaching. I've tried Craigs, Ebay, and all the usual places one might search I guess.
I really DON'T want to open the walls once again if I can't get hold of a pair before my contractor starts working.
Could anyone offer an opinion as to how these Energy EAS-6W In-Wall Speakers might mate with my RC-10's, RCLCR, and a sub (unsure what type yet)...?

I'm trying to take advantage of the walls being open stud bays w/out insulation and as a result it being easier to run wires and mount speakers. If I don't go with in- walls I guess a Bi-pole-Di-pole combo speaker pair as these will be mainly for surrounds in a 5.1 set up.

It looks like I can get a hold of one RC-6W but obviously I need a pair. Where might I find a single.?

Originally Posted by Fears4Ears 

Harman Kardon tends to be a bit more realistic in their power claims than most other consumer-level AVR's. You really will be fine.

Originally Posted by Fears4Ears 

Harman Kardon tends to be a bit more realistic in their power claims than most other consumer-level AVR's. You really will be fine.

Originally Posted by wader2k 

Can anyone comment on this set at Newegg for $600....possibly paired with a Klipsch RW-12d?

I have been debating between bookshelf and towers for some time.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1J70KS8927

Originally Posted by wader2k 

Thanks for the feedback. Am I correct that these are a step up from the Take Classic 5's I see everywhere?

Originally Posted by johnb4467 


I'm sure you'll get the 'definitive' answer from him, but I believe it was for aesthetics / furniture-matching.

Originally Posted by Terrya 

A good friend of mine recently passed away and I've taken over trying to solve a few issues he was having with his system for his wife. One issue has to do with his Energy Audissey 5+2 speakers. A couple of years ago at least two if not all 4 sub drivers failed. He replaced the blown drivers with new Energy replacements, and they failed. He replaced those with Dayton Audio drivers, one of which has failed. There is another clue. His Pioneer SC55 has been shutting down on occasion, with a code indicating a possible shorted speaker wire. For now I've unplugged the subwoofer amps while contemplating my next move. The receiver has not shut down since doing this.

I pulled one of the drivers and had a look inside and noticed that one of the two drivers was wired out of phase. This is true in both speakers. Is this correct?

Any other ideas?

Additional info: He's been running speaker level inputs bridged to the sub amp.

Originally Posted by batpig 


- that said, if this was a "man cave" situation I would have said FU to the wife (although much more nicely) and kept them as the sound was fabulous... But in my current living situation I don't have another room that I could use as a 2ch cave

Originally Posted by johnb4467 

Haha, I bet all the married gentlemen on here cringed at even the thought of the response they'd receive if they were to say that to their wives in the "less-than-nicely" way.
The guy I've bought all my veritas speakers from...he's clearing them out because the wife would prefer in-walls. The power of the WAF is strong!

Originally Posted by johnb4467 

Haha, I bet all the married gentlemen on here cringed at even the thought of the response they'd receive if they were to say that to their wives in the "less-than-nicely" way.
The guy I've bought all my veritas speakers from...he's clearing them out because the wife would prefer in-walls. The power of the WAF is strong!

Originally Posted by Fears4Ears 

Just put up a pic of Adele across from that DSOTM cover. I understand her new album is quite a treat on a good system (seriously). Put that on along with some Norah Jones and impress her pants off (or skirt) with "her" new speakers. That's my plan anyway.

Originally Posted by tcramer 

Yup, I'd consider them a fairly significant step up. Batpig recommended them to me and I couldn't be more pleased. You'll definitely be surprised by the quality and level of sound they can put out for their size.

Do you already have a sub or do you need one (or two ) of those too?

Originally Posted by cxr369 

I have a 5.1 rc micro setup in the den, I want to add heights for 7.1, I've been looking for two individual RC micros but have yet to find them. Would the V minis work. How will they blend and should I use them as heights, Left front and right front or as surrounds?

Originally Posted by batpig 

The Minis are significantly larger and better than the Micros so if you get a pair of Minis they should definitely slot in as FR/FL mains. I nthis case I would probably recommend getting a Mini center as well so your front 3 are all of similar quality.

That said, surely SOMEONE on this thread who jumped on the crazy RC Micro sales a few weeks ago has an extra pair lying around that they'd be willing to sell. Give it some time and I bet someone will step up

Originally Posted by johnb4467 

Hmm, so you're referring to the APS 5+2's (the powered ones), correct? I do have a pair of the powered ones, and I can't say that [so far] I've run into any issues with them (had them for a bit over a year).
If I am misreading this...and it's not the "APS" internally-amplified sub model, the stuff I write below might not be of any help at all. Might still be worth reviewing though...even though there's a good chance you've already tried most [if not all] of it.

As a side note, I had auditioned a pair before I found mine...and one of the powered subs in that set didn't work...so I ended up not purchasing them. I don't know if that is common or not. The one thing I have noticed, though, is that you don't see them on the used market very often; I had been specifically looking for those speakers...and it took me many years to track a pair down. So either people are keeping them, they break and get discarded / stored, or there is just not many in circulation (compared to other models in the Energy line).

A few things I can maybe think of...
if they are indeed the powered versions, maybe replace the fuses and ensure that they're the right kind...maybe the fuses got replaced with ones that are not blowing when things go beyond the 'safe' point.
Also, instead of plugging the dedicated sub-amp power cords into the wall, maybe ensure they're plugged into surge protectors...you may already very well be doing this.

I run from the receiver to speaker-level inputs as well, so I don't think, in-and-of-itself, that would be the issue.

My only real hesitation in buying the speakers was that there's a bit more circuitry going on internally than other 'regular' speakers [amp, etc]...and that if that broke / malfunctioned, I may be left with non-functioning, or improperly-functioning speakers. I honestly don't know enough about the internals to even begin to suggest what might help in that regard. You could potentially try using the sub pre-out on the receiver (and use a y-adapter) to pass the bass signal to the subs that way & avoid using the speaker's internal crossovers all together.

Keep us posted & let us know how it goes!

EDIT: other ideas / thoughts:
Have you tried with a different receiver? I don't know much about that receiver, but if all the mishaps has occurred when hooked up to it, it might be something worth testing out.

Have you tried a different room / outlets? You might even go so far as to check the power in the house, or try the speakers in your own residence (if that's not too extreme) ... maybe there's something power-wise not going on correctly in the home. I had one friend whose mom went through 5 computers a number of years back...because whenever the refrigerator kicked on, a surge of power fried their computer. Of course in that case, a surge protector fixed the issue (once diagnosed).

I'd be hesitant to just keep replacing the drivers, unless you're able to figure out what's causing them to go out. If it was just one speaker, I'd maybe guess at it being the internals of that particular one...but since it's both, I'm thinking it's more likely the receiver or power?

I have no experience with power conditioners...but does anyone know if having 'clean' power might ensure things go smoothly for him?

Originally Posted by cxr369 

I have a 5.1 rc micro setup in the den, I want to add heights for 7.1, I've been looking for two individual RC micros but have yet to find them. Would the V minis work. How will they blend and should I use them as heights, Left front and right front or as surrounds?

Originally Posted by Terrya 

Thanks for the reply.

One complication that I have is that I didn't assemble the system. I'm more familiar with it than anyone, since we shared a love for audio/video and I've watched his system evolve over the years, but I still have to sit down and poke around with my thinking cap on with no one else around. And access is very poor. A rather large media cabinet that includes his television sits in the middle along a wall with the speakers on either end. There's virtually no room behind for access.

To address some of your thoughts:

Yes, they are the APS internally power model.

Regarding power, I don't think this is a dedicated circuit, so there could be some issues with power. One amp is plugged into a surge protector, the other is not. Both have misbehaved. There is no power conditioner anywhere in the system. The house is relatively new, and the speakers functioned properly for years in this location, so I'd like to assume it's not a problem with house power, but it's a valid consideration.

The receiver is a new Pioneer Elite, but the subs blew the first time (after several years of play) while his Rotel RSX-1056 was still in the system. So the failure isn't linked to the new receiver. The new receiver however, has a protection circuit that triggers reporting the issue. I was told that it was shutting down but had no other clues until a few days ago when it occurred to me that the subs had been problematic, and after reading the Receiver manual and seeing info about this aspect of protection. I finally witnessed it myself and saw the code (which had not previously been mentioned to me) indicating a possible speaker wiring issue. That's when I pulled the power from the subs and pulled the bridge from each speaker as a troubleshooting measure. I also peeked inside and noticed the speakers wired out of phase with each other and wondered if this was correct or not. My friend wasn't thinking clearly due to his illness when he first replaced the drivers, so the possibility of an incorrect installation is worth investigating. That said, now that I think about it further, the drivers are wired in series but it's done in a way that fooled me a bit. I need to check this out more closely.

I'll check the fuses. I hadn't considered that.

That's a good idea about the sub pre-outs. I've considered that and I have some interconnects here long enough to do it. The receiver may have two sub outs as well, so I may not need a Y connector. This might be a worthwhile experiment since it avoids the internal crossover, but LF/EQ circuitry is still in the loop so we're not avoiding all circuitry. I've noticed that when configured this way the manual has the shorting bridges still in place, which doesn't seem necessary to me but it's their manual so there must be a reason for it.

Edit:

Something just occurred to me that isn't making sense. I've had the toggle switch in the down position (essentially turning the subs off) so it wouldn't make sense that the subs would have anything to do with the shutdown, since without a low level connection, they're (theoretically) out of the loop.

Another thing that doesn't make sense is that I mistakenly left the speaker cables connected to the lower input terminals after removing the the shorting bridges, yet I'm still getting sound out of the higher frequency drivers.

Hm.