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post #43951 of 51439
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Originally Posted by DustinLH00 View Post

They both have the same frequency response, tweeter size/type, driver size/type, crossover point, sensitivity, max power, impedance, and dimensions. The cabinets have the exact same teardrop inset to them. They must have made some kind of deal.

Energy Source
Monoprice Source

Maybe we can call them Monoprice Classics.

Not a bad deal at that price. Although really - I fail to see the similarities



Monitronics:



It is just a coincidence.
Edited by hernanu - 2/6/13 at 9:43am
post #43952 of 51439
No. Even some of the owner reviews compare them to the Take Classics. Funny thing is that some of the reviews date back to Nov. so they have been selling them for a while.
post #43953 of 51439
Hernanu -- there is NO FREAKING WAY that is just a coincidence. The ribbed elliptical surround in particular is *patented* Energy/Mirage technology. Audiovox clearly licensed the design to Monoprice through some Chinese supplier.

It looks like the Monoprice version might have done a bit of skimping on the build (no glossy finish, more standard rectangular grills, etc.) but it is obviously the same product.

EDIT: oh wait, there's the sarcasm again, right? tongue.gif


post #43954 of 51439
Yi. When I noticed the ribbed surronds I knew that was them. They do have a glossy finish too.
post #43955 of 51439
Anyway, although somewhat depressing for the Energy brand, this DOES represent a really nice deal for the consumer.
post #43956 of 51439
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

I have 1 pair of V6-2's rosenut brand new in box for sale. No dings, in perfect condition. I never used these but did hook them up to make sure they worked.
I am asking 675.00 shipping included. PM me if interested, I have sold speakers on here before and package for safe delivery.
eek.gif
I would be all over that if it wasn't international shipping !! Then again, if I were in the US, I would already have them when they were on sale. I want them in my new living room, which is now all tore up as I am pricing hardwood
post #43957 of 51439
Those speakers have been around for around 4 months at monoprice and there was a thread about then and totally agree those are identical speakers with some very minimal changes.
post #43958 of 51439
Wow. I took a nap and wake up to a page + of responses. Considering what happened with the rc line, I'm kind of glad to see the takes being sold to monoprice. At least that line won't be completely dead.
post #43959 of 51439
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Originally Posted by caper_1 View Post

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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

I have 1 pair of V6-2's rosenut brand new in box for sale. No dings, in perfect condition. I never used these but did hook them up to make sure they worked.
I am asking 675.00 shipping included. PM me if interested, I have sold speakers on here before and package for safe delivery.
eek.gif
I would be all over that if it wasn't international shipping !! Then again, if I were in the US, I would already have them when they were on sale. I want them in my new living room, which is now all tore up as I am pricing hardwood


That's a great deal I guess if he have to ship to California the shipping will be a lot more, I wouldn't go for free shipping but is up to the seller smile.gif
Now I ask why is so expensive to ship to california?
post #43960 of 51439
Heck, that is the same speaker set as the Takes. And that is one great deal on the price.
post #43961 of 51439
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Hernanu -- there is NO FREAKING WAY that is just a coincidence. The ribbed elliptical surround in particular is *patented* Energy/Mirage technology. Audiovox clearly licensed the design to Monoprice through some Chinese supplier.

It looks like the Monoprice version might have done a bit of skimping on the build (no glossy finish, more standard rectangular grills, etc.) but it is obviously the same product.

EDIT: oh wait, there's the sarcasm again, right? tongue.gif

smile.gif

It is a very good deal, maybe a bit less bling, but assuming a good match sound wise (which looks probable), for a 5.1 system you can't miss.
post #43962 of 51439
Those speakers are identical. I just looked took one of mine off the wall and looked at each feature. The difference: says Monoprice instead of Energy on the grills.......
post #43963 of 51439
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Originally Posted by Agent 504 View Post

Are any of you using speaker stands for your surround speakers(RC-R, VS, CR-3, V2.0i). If so, which stands are you using?
Yes.

http://www.questhifi.com/em500c.html
post #43964 of 51439
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Originally Posted by Agent 504 View Post

Are any of you using speaker stands for your surround speakers(RC-R, VS, CR-3, V2.0i). If so, which stands are you using?

I use these for my RC10 and VS, fits nice.

http://www.amazon.com/SANUS-SYSTEMS-BF-31B-Speaker-Stands/dp/B00006JQ5O/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1360199574&sr=8-3&keywords=sanus+speaker+stand
post #43965 of 51439
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

I think those are interesting since Monoprice ships to Canada. The Takes 5.1 are about $600 here. Even with $92 shipping fees, they're 50% off normal price for Canada. If it's the same product, who cares about the badge...

I checked. It would be about $240 shipped here in the US. Definitely a good deal. Seems like the best bargain with the Take 5.1 set is usually around $300 here.
post #43966 of 51439
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

I checked. It would be about $240 shipped here in the US. Definitely a good deal. Seems like the best bargain with the Take 5.1 set is usually around $300 here.

Use code "INCENTIVE" for 20% off.
post #43967 of 51439
Anybody care to jump on this new eBay listing? If my V2.3's weren't on their way here I would be sorely tempted. I would imagine you could cherry pick and still make a profit if you sold the rest:


Energy Veritas Custom In-Wall 7.1 Surround Sound

Starting bid: $499.99

Buy It Now: $799.99

Shipping: $123.13

Item location: Addison, Texas

Item # 261165959279


Includes

2 Fronts- Energy V2.2WM

1 Center- Energy V2.2HM

4 Surr Spkrs- Energy V2.1WM

All Matching, Paintable Mounting Brackets

Energy ESW-V8 Sub

OMG that's a KILLER deal! Do you realize what the RETAIL was on those things!?!

Problem is, the seller has a feedback rating of 0 but eBay has buyer protection so it might be fine. The seller made a huge mistake by only showing a pic of one speaker so this may languish but I swear somebody should just hit that "Buy it Now" button NOW!

BTW: If anybody has enough money and sense to grab these, I would be interested in the center and maybe a coupla surrounds...just saying.
post #43968 of 51439
I don't know, seems fishy too me. The guy only posted one pic. Rating of 0?, no thanks.
post #43969 of 51439
This could be a stupid question,


setup:

Denon 1713
Fronts:energy rc-50
Center- energy rc-lcr
Rear- energy rc-10
Sub- Bic pl200

Uses is for movies and tv don't care about music


I've ran audessey and it originally set my crossovers for all my speakers to 40hz (room size 14X17 8 ft celings, one door that leads into the rest of the
house. So, I originally bumped the crossover to 60hz, left it for a couple weeks and then tried 80 hz. I'm not a big audiophile but I thought there would be a difference in sound?? Maybe because I'm Ignorant to what I should be listening for??

Which brings me to my next question. My receiver says my lfe is set to 120hz, does this mean I could technially set my crossovers to my speakers to
100hz?? Or would something be missing? I don't want to change something and expect something different and notice nothing or worse notice something and not know if its right or wrong lol. Any thoughts would be great and in as lament terms as possible lol.. I try to follow but half the time I don't get the terminology (ie.. bright sounding or lack mid bass because this is the first serious set of speakers Ive ever owned and I here bass but whats mid bass )
post #43970 of 51439
The only issue with a high crossover is that bass above about 80 Hz becomes easy to localize. 80 Hz is the standard THX crossover value. You already play all LFE under 120 Hz with the sub. In my case for example, I have dual subs placed on the front stage, so localization is even less an issue. With RC-70s, I currently use a 100 Hz crossover, and I believe I get punchier upper bass this way (after all, the RC woofers are only 6.5in). Also, while the RC-70s are "rated" down to the mid-30's, the fact is their response begins to drop fast below 100 Hz. So I'd advise 80 Hz but it's easy enough to try 100 or 120 Hz.

The difference will only be noticeable at higher volumes though I think, unless the sub has noticeably more distortion than your mains at those frequencies.
post #43971 of 51439
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

The only issue with a high crossover is that bass above about 80 Hz becomes easy to localize. 80 Hz is the standard THX crossover value. You already play all LFE under 120 Hz with the sub. In my case for example, I have dual subs placed on the front stage, so localization is even less an issue. With RC-70s, I currently use a 100 Hz crossover, and I believe I get punchier upper bass this way (after all, the RC woofers are only 6.5in). Also, while the RC-70s are "rated" down to the mid-30's, the fact is their response begins to drop fast below 100 Hz. So I'd advise 80 Hz but it's easy enough to try 100 or 120 Hz.

The difference will only be noticeable at higher volumes though I think, unless the sub has noticeably more distortion than your mains at those frequencies.



Wow!! Thanks for the quick response... I leave them all at 80hz!!!
post #43972 of 51439
... Except for LFE of course, which is a mono channel anyway, and should be left at 120 Hz. In other AVRs, *all* LFE is sent to the sub anyway.
post #43973 of 51439
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Originally Posted by glantern30 View Post

This could be a stupid question,
I try to follow but half the time I don't get the terminology (ie.. bright sounding or lack mid bass because this is the first serious set of speakers Ive ever owned and I here bass but whats mid bass )
This mapping of frequencies to musical instruments might help ; it tells you what low, mid bass (and everything else) is as mapped to many common instruments. Now you say you only use it for home theater, but movies and TV are filled with music and the human voice at different ranges, so it should give you a good idea of what you're hearing (or missing) at mid bass.

It would be cool if they did one of these for sound effects, but I haven't found one.
post #43974 of 51439
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

This mapping of frequencies to musical instruments might help ; it tells you what low, mid bass (and everything else) is as mapped to many common instruments. Now you say you only use it for home theater, but movies and TV are filled with music and the human voice at different ranges, so it should give you a good idea of what you're hearing (or missing) at mid bass.

It would be cool if they did one of these for sound effects, but I haven't found one.

Great tool, hernanu; thanks for sharing!
post #43975 of 51439

I was going to get those but felt they might be too brittle for the RC-10s at that height plus the top plate is only 5x5
post #43976 of 51439
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

This mapping of frequencies to musical instruments might help ; it tells you what low, mid bass (and everything else) is as mapped to many common instruments. Now you say you only use it for home theater, but movies and TV are filled with music and the human voice at different ranges, so it should give you a good idea of what you're hearing (or missing) at mid bass.

It would be cool if they did one of these for sound effects, but I haven't found one.

That chart is great, I always liked it. And +1 on the sound effects. I'd really want a DVD full of samples that show what you're hearing exactly. E.g. "you're about to see a scene with lots of upper bass around 100 Hz" or "this scene contains VLFE down to 15 Hz", etc. Tones doesn't really cut it. You can try to select famous scenes and find waterfall graphs and all but it's more tedious than educative.

As for what mid-bass is , I missed that question, and I don't think there are very formal definitions. As shown in the chart, "bass" is generally defined as anything below 200 Hz. Anything below 20 Hz is basically not audible and are vibrations, so sometimes this is called "ultra low frequencies". Dividing in octaves from that 20 Hz limit, I guess you could say 20-40 Hz is "low bass", 40-80 Hz is mid-bass, and 80-160 Hz is "upper bass".

To have a clear idea how "low" is mid-bass, consider that the lowest note that can be played on an electric bass is about 40 Hz. So when you cross a subwoofer at 80 Hz, what the sub plays when listening to electric bass is the mid-bass. So for most non-electronic music, if your sub is good down to a solid 35-40 Hz, you're covered, so to speak. However there are lots of content in movies, games, and electronic music that go way below 40 Hz. As for instruments, about only the pipe organ can produce notes down to the 20 Hz region (some pipe organs can go even lower).
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post #43978 of 51439
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

The only issue with a high crossover is that bass above about 80 Hz becomes easy to localize. 80 Hz is the standard THX crossover value. You already play all LFE under 120 Hz with the sub. In my case for example, I have dual subs placed on the front stage, so localization is even less an issue. With RC-70s, I currently use a 100 Hz crossover, and I believe I get punchier upper bass this way (after all, the RC woofers are only 6.5in). Also, while the RC-70s are "rated" down to the mid-30's, the fact is their response begins to drop fast below 100 Hz. So I'd advise 80 Hz but it's easy enough to try 100 or 120 Hz.

The difference will only be noticeable at higher volumes though I think, unless the sub has noticeably more distortion than your mains at those frequencies.

Sounds about right. If you play at higher than moderate levels, than I'd recommend moving your XO (from 40hz) to maybe 80hz. Don't want to stress the amps and potentially bottom out the drivers on your speaker. Like Neutro, Definitely try the different XOs and see which one you like the best!

I have THX certified speakers in my room and they are "supposed" to be set at 80hz but in my room 110hz sounded the best!
post #43979 of 51439
Is there any inexpressive way to add a warmer sound to music with a cheap vacuum tube device?
post #43980 of 51439
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

Is there any inexpressive way to add a warmer sound to music with a cheap vacuum tube device?

How about a Little Dot MK II Tube headphone amp/preamplifier? You'd have to run it from an analog source, but could be fun to hook up to a CD player.

I have the Little Dot I+ and it has a really nice sound (but does not have a line out). Very well made device. Email David if you have any questions. He was extremely helpful when I ordered from him.
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