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post #44191 of 51453
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Originally Posted by GTA Beancounter View Post

Hello All,

I'm a first time poster looking for some advice. We used to have a 5.1 setup upstairs in our old home but a move last year relegated most of my gear to the basement as our new family room has built in speakers. We are now looking at finishing a room in our basement (25 x 14 x 7 , L W H) for a dedicated home theatre / man cave. With a recent clearance at future shop I picked up a pair of CF-50's and now have 8 speakers as follows:

Pair of CR-10 (bipole/dipole)
Pair of CB-20 (bookshelf)
Pair of CF-50s (floor standing)
CC-10 Centre
An old Energy EPS - 100 powered sub (100 watt amp and two 6.5" woofers)

I think the only logical set-up for a 7.1 system would be to have the CF-50's and CC-10 at the front along with the CR-10's to the side mounted on the wall and the CB-20's as rear surrounds on stands.

I also have two receivers that I can run, a relatively new Yamaha RXV 667 or an older Pioneer VSX 1015, I plan to pick up an Oppo 103, Epson 8350 projector and Elunevision 108" reference fixed screen to complete my system.

I have the following questions / thoughts that I'd appreciate some input on:

1) My plan was to set the system up such that I could plug / unplug a couple speakers and run:
5.1 using the CR-10's as surrounds for movies encoded in 5.1
5.1 using the CB-20's as surrounds for concerts endoded in 5.1 (Positioning the CB-20's accordingly, I've read that bipoles/dipoles are not ideal for music)
7.1 using all the surround speakers as I mentioned above

Am I placing too much importance on matching my speakers to the audio source?


2) The Pioneer is a more powerful receiver (with no HDMI), in theory I could use the analogue outs on the oppo player (using it as a DAC) and connect them to the 1015 (though I'd be limited to 5.1 channel inputs on the 1015, but I could purchase a 2 channel amp). I've heard the 667 is a great sounding receiver and it sounded good to my ears powering the CB-20s at the front at our old house... I just figure that the 120 watts per channel of the 1015 will sound better than the 90 watts of the 667 driving the larger CF-50s

Which receiver is more suited to my purpose buit home theatre in the basement? The other one will be used in the family room upstairs to power the 5 built in speakers.

3) How does my sub match-up to the set-up?

Thanks for your help!!!

The Pioneer isn't that much more powerful, you might not even notice the difference in power. It may not be at all in real world bench testing. And with 5 or 7 channels driven the ratings may be much closer. Considering the 1015 has no HDMI or TrueHD and DTS-HD decoding I'd use the 667 exclusively.

Both receivers have 7.1 multichannel inputs and 7.1 pre-outs so I really dont seen any advantage in using the Pioneer especially since you plan to pick up all these new HDMI devices.

3. How does my sub match-up to the set-up?

You're gonna want a much bigger sub for a room that size. And it doesn't need to be an Energy brand sub at all.
post #44192 of 51453
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

Now that I got my pair I can be an advocate for others to buy. smile.gif

lol, I did the same...after doing a triple take on slickdeals, I rushed to order a pair before coming here to post (of course it turns out you guys had already known about it for awhile). Then I thought, hell I'm not likely to see these anywhere near this price ever again....so I doubled the order.

It's times like these I wish I had a projector & false front wall set up so I could just another RC for a center....it's crazy to think an LCR right now would cost you >80% the price of a pair of 70s eek.gif
post #44193 of 51453
Thanks Neutro!
post #44194 of 51453
Wow, that's a smoking deal for the RC-70s. Is there a reasonable ($200'ish) substitute for the RC-LCR for a center? Wouldn't want to blow $500 on just the center
post #44195 of 51453
I actually saw the ad on Fry's website this morning. I check every Friday when I get up and use the computer. Didn't see the slickdeals post until after I got to work and had purchased the speakers.
post #44196 of 51453
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Originally Posted by soobaerodude View Post

Wow, that's a smoking deal for the RC-70s. Is there a reasonable ($200'ish) substitute for the RC-LCR for a center? Wouldn't want to blow $500 on just the center

Yeah, get the Veritas V5.2C from wwstereo.com if they have any left.
Use code VER52WW if still applicable.
I see rosenut but not black
http://www.wwstereo.com/Energy/V5.2CPIANR

or a V5.2C here on ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-ENERGY-VERITAS-V5-2-V-5-2-C-V-5-2CENTER-CHANNEL-SPEAKER-Piano-Rosenut-COLOR-/360565769459?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item53f36504f3
Edited by afrogt - 2/15/13 at 11:08am
post #44197 of 51453
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

They are 39.9" x 7.75" x 15" (HxWxD).
Playing de Devil's advocate here, not pushing you into buying something you probably don't need... It's simply that it's probably the last chance to get them new, and at a ridiculously low price. Plus, you could either use your LCRs as overkill surrounds, or sell them for an advantageous price to people looking for centers to go with the 70's. In fact, I thing at the current price ($300) you could do a swap without much trouble.
Oh, now you have gone and done it! I am now pondering if I really should. I really do want those speakers but spending more money on speakers...I swear everytime my parents visit, they comment on my latest and newest setup. tongue.gif

I have CB-10s x2 that aren't in use and I'm trying to sell. They were my first speakers. Then I upgraded to RC-10s which are now used as surrounds. I'd feel so much better if I saw more sales going around so I DON'T have to purchase it. Wwhy do these speakers have to be so rare and are not still manufactured? frown.gif
post #44198 of 51453
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

Rushed over to my local Fry's and picked up a pair. They still had the same 12 boxes that had been there since before black Friday. Actually they originally had 14 boxes but 2 were sold in December. That poor guy is well beyond the 30 day price match guarantee. Sucks to be him. biggrin.gif

Anyway quickly unboxed my pair and connected to my living room Denon AVR 989. Had to rush off to work so didn't calibrate or anything. Loaded up the 5 disc CD changer and let it play. That'll give me some break-in hours before I get home tonight.

Package comes with two port plugs, grille, speaker spikes with tool, manual, etc. Speakers look very nice in black ash although I still think the cherry RC-10s look better. RC-70's in cherry and rosenut are long gone. My LCR is black ash too so at least that matches the towers.

My dilemma is where to place these now. Currently in the main room I have Jamo E680 towers up front, E660 towers as surrounds and a C60 center speaker.

Bedroom has RC-10s on stands, LCR center and RC mini surrounds.

If I place the RC-70's in the main room the LCR wont fit in my cabinet. I do have a cherry RC Mini center that would fit but I wonder if the 70 towers will overpower the smaller center. Color doesn't matter as you can really only see the front grille of the speaker in the cabinet.

I could just place the RC-70's in my bedroom since that's where I listen to most of my music and store the RC-10s for later. That would the easiest thing to do since the RC LCR is on an open shelf in that room.

I guess this is a good dilemma to have, I'm sure I'll figure it out with much experimentation. Glad I use banana plugs as it makes all this swapping much easier.

I'm glad you were able to grab a pair. Options are good to have and with that Jamo setup, you've got two good options. Let me/us know what you think once you get a chance to get a good listen to them.
post #44199 of 51453
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

Yeah, get the Veritas V5.2C from wwstereo.com if they have any left.
Use code VER52WW if still applicable.
I see rosenut but not black
http://www.wwstereo.com/Energy/V5.2CPIANR

or a V5.2C here on ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-ENERGY-VERITAS-V5-2-V-5-2-C-V-5-2CENTER-CHANNEL-SPEAKER-Piano-Rosenut-COLOR-/360565769459?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item53f36504f3

Thanks! Too bad black is no longer available.

And how much of an upgrade would this RC-70 + V5.2C be over the other Fry's special, the Infinity Primus P363 + PC351 center?
post #44200 of 51453
A big upgrade in my opinion. I think the RC speakers sound better than the Infinity Primus.

And the build quality is far better. The Primus looks like an entry level speaker.

Vanns has the V5.2C for $199. Only 2 left. Might be rosenut also though.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Energy-V5-2C-Single-Veritas-series-center-channel-speaker-/230928292999?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item35c4661c87
post #44201 of 51453
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

You will be just fine using the Takes as surround for the time being. Audyssey will still calibrate them and set the crossover high enough that they won't be overdriven as they try to keep up with the RC-70's.

You might find though that the Take center holds you back, and the dialogue may sound better just disconnecting it and running a 4.1 setup.
thank you sir. i will do this. do you think i made a right decision buying this 2 rc sir? is it a big upgrade from my 5.1 takes? i just want to make it sure. smile.gif

It will be an absolutely enormous upgrade. Just huge. You are going from tiny satellites that sell for under $500 for a full 5.1 system to a $2,000+ pair of full range towers. Trust me, you will not be disappointed. smile.gif
post #44202 of 51453
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thank you sir. i will do this. do you think i made a right decision buying this 2 rc sir? is it a big upgrade from my 5.1 takes? i just want to make it sure

The little takes aren't in the same universe as these RC-70's. Gigantic upgrade.
post #44203 of 51453
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Amidst the RC-70 frenzy, a couple of excellent Veritas deals on California craigslist I found today that should be snapped up by someone here:

- A pair of Veritas V2.3 tower speakers in the central valley (Merced) for only $650 in the lovely cherry wood finish: http://merced.craigslist.org/ele/3485514614.html

- This is the really awesome one for someone in the LA area, an entire 7ch Veritas setup for $1000 TOTAL: http://ventura.craigslist.org/ele/3525441389.html

Looks like a pair of V2.2 with the custom stands, a V2.0C center, and four V2.0R surrounds. I would assume they are not "i" series but for that price it's hard to beat for all 7 speakers!!

I wonder if the older Veritas speakers ever made it east of the Mississippi river. I've never seen a pair of older bookshelf or tower Veritas anywhere near me. I'm sure those two deals won't last long; especially the 7ch setup.
post #44204 of 51453
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Originally Posted by omerome View Post

Oh, now you have gone and done it! I am now pondering if I really should. I really do want those speakers but spending more money on speakers...I swear everytime my parents visit, they comment on my latest and newest setup. tongue.gif

I have CB-10s x2 that aren't in use and I'm trying to sell. They were my first speakers. Then I upgraded to RC-10s which are now used as surrounds. I'd feel so much better if I saw more sales going around so I DON'T have to purchase it. Wwhy do these speakers have to be so rare and are not still manufactured? frown.gif

Again, if you have 3 x RC-LCRs + 2 x RC-10s, you have an incredible setup already. So yeah, the 70's would be icing on the cake, that's for sure. However, with those, you would have such a kick-ass 7-channel setup it wouldn't be funny. Or, I'm pretty sure you could sell two of your 3 RC-70s for $300 each to people in this thread *right now*, hence making buying the 70's a simple swap.

The only argument against it would be that an LCR front stage is just an absolute perfect match tonally. The LCR is the matching center for the 70's but those have a different mid driver than the LCR.
post #44205 of 51453
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post



3. How does my sub match-up to the set-up?

You're gonna want a much bigger sub for a room that size. And it doesn't need to be an Energy brand sub at all.

I figured the Sub would be my next addition.... what do you recommend for $300 - $500?
Thanks Again
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post #44207 of 51453
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

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Amidst the RC-70 frenzy, a couple of excellent Veritas deals on California craigslist I found today that should be snapped up by someone here:

- A pair of Veritas V2.3 tower speakers in the central valley (Merced) for only $650 in the lovely cherry wood finish: http://merced.craigslist.org/ele/3485514614.html

I saw the Veritas 2.3 ad on Craigslist in Merced a couple of weeks ago. My dad lives 10 minutes from there and I was in town last weekend. I meant to call the guy up but I guess it slipped my mind.

How big are those anyway? Not sure they'd fit in my sedan.

Here is the snip from the Veritas brochure so you can see the size specs:




As good a deal as the RC-70's are, getting a pair of these for $650 is much better. These speakers should blow away the RC-70's.
post #44208 of 51453
You guys are making me jealous with your super RC 70s deal, if i had the space on my condo or the WAF would be better i would snatch a pair, oh well, can't complain about my three V-5.2-C.

Just need to wait for a deal on this:

http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/ported-box/pb-1000#.UR6NXh04tBk
post #44209 of 51453
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Originally Posted by GTA Beancounter View Post

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3. How does my sub match-up to the set-up?

You're gonna want a much bigger sub for a room that size. And it doesn't need to be an Energy brand sub at all.

I figured the Sub would be my next addition.... what do you recommend for $300 - $500?
Thanks Again

I agree with all the advice already given.

- Your current speaker setup is fine, I would use it as you described (CR-10 side surrounds, CB-20 back surrounds) and not worry about the 5.1 vs. 7.1 for music thing. The Yamaha will have PLIIx and other modes for converting 5.1 to 7.1 and it should sound great.

- The sub is definitely the weak link, and the suggestions AfroGT made above are good ones.
post #44210 of 51453
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

Yes, I think you'll find the RC-70s to be quite a bit of an upgrade compared to Take sats... rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

It will be an absolutely enormous upgrade. Just huge. You are going from tiny satellites that sell for under $500 for a full 5.1 system to a $2,000+ pair of full range towers. Trust me, you will not be disappointed. smile.gif

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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

The little takes aren't in the same universe as these RC-70's. Gigantic upgrade.
thank you all guys, i almost get a heart attack when i am about to purchased this. i think that price is too much for such 2 tower speakers, but it is also too good to pass on. i only have a small living room, but hey bigger is better smile.gif

ps: is my dayton 1200 sub will be fine?
post #44211 of 51453
Yes, that sub should be fine for a smaller room. It's a very good performer for the dollar.

When you think that price is "too much" for 2 tower speakers, remember the msrp on these guys is $2,200 for the pair! eek.gif You are getting an amazing deal and these speakers will be competitive with any speakers costing up to $5,000.
post #44212 of 51453
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Yes, that sub should be fine for a smaller room. It's a very good performer for the dollar.

When you think that price is "too much" for 2 tower speakers, remember the msrp on these guys is $2,200 for the pair! eek.gif You are getting an amazing deal and these speakers will be competitive with any speakers costing up to $5,000.
that is what i am talking about! kudos!
post #44213 of 51453
Hey guys. I wanted to ask something while this thread is on fire and you guys are obviously the experts.
I know that you are snatching these older Energy speakers up because of some recent changes at Energy. Can someone briefly summarize what the deal is with that?
post #44214 of 51453
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Hey guys. I wanted to ask something while this thread is on fire and you guys are obviously the experts.
I know that you are snatching these older Energy speakers up because of some recent changes at Energy. Can someone briefly summarize what the deal is with that?

All I have heard is that ever since Audiovox purchased Klipsch Group (owners of Energy) that the only new products that have been announced are sound bars and crappy subwoofers. The Veritas, RC, and CF lines are all discontinued. The only thing that appears to be getting made still are the RC Micro and Take Classic packs, which may be on their way out soon too, especially given the fact that Monoprice appears to be making them too now.
post #44215 of 51453
Ok, RC-70's installed where RC-50's were before in the Front Left and Front Right positions....time to work on the Poker face before the wife gets home (Oh no dear, those are the same speakers, just tweaked the EQ a little differently...no, they're not taller...must be an optical illusion, maybe we're shrinking;))...

Out of the box they sound good, but of course not warm or mellow like the 50's yet...we'll see in a few weeks after they're broken in...
post #44216 of 51453
Is it worth for me to "upgrade" from the RC-50's to the 70's from Fry's? My room is 18x12 and I sit about 6 ft from my 50's. I do listen to music about 20% of the time TV 30% and blu ray 50% of the time. I would be running these off of my Pio SC 25 as I no longer have my Outlaw monos.
post #44217 of 51453
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Originally Posted by squash42 View Post

Ok, RC-70's installed where RC-50's were before in the Front Left and Front Right positions....time to work on the Poker face before the wife gets home (Oh no dear, those are the same speakers, just tweaked the EQ a little differently...no, they're not taller...must be an optical illusion, maybe we're shrinking;))...

Quick, get rid of the boxes! biggrin.gif

Will she *really* notice the difference in how they sound?
post #44218 of 51453
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Originally Posted by squash42 View Post

Ok, RC-70's installed where RC-50's were before in the Front Left and Front Right positions....time to work on the Poker face before the wife gets home (Oh no dear, those are the same speakers, just tweaked the EQ a little differently...no, they're not taller...must be an optical illusion, maybe we're shrinking;))...

Out of the box they sound good, but of course not warm or mellow like the 50's yet...we'll see in a few weeks after they're broken in...
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

Quick, get rid of the boxes! biggrin.gif

And leave the grills on biggrin.gif
post #44219 of 51453
Sorry to change the subject but I just received my box from mono. $200 shipped and this is for a second smaller ht. which is an enclosed room about 10 x 10. my main ht has towers.

Is the consensus here to keep the grills on or leave them off. I'm using a denon 1713 and will be setting this up mañana. Thanks.
post #44220 of 51453
Fry's has the RC-70s for $598/pair!!! I just scored my 2nd pair. I think u can order them online too. Good luck!!
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